Re: [Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization tool for large DB ?

2011-12-27 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,

I just wanted to ask if there has been any advance on this/
Cheers,

Pablo

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Rick Bullotta
rick.bullo...@thingworx.comwrote:

 Of course!

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 On Behalf Of Jacob Hansson
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 Subject: Re: [Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization tool for large DB ?

 That would be really interesting!

 I'll make a note of it and ping you when this gets up to the top of the
 backlog, if that's ok with you?

 /Jake

 On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Rick Bullotta
 rick.bullo...@thingworx.comwrote:

  We're doing something similar as part of a visual search engine for
  ThingWorx. Our UX designers might be able to provide some
  recommendations/input on Neo4J DB visualization also.
 
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  On Behalf Of Jacob Hansson
  Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:30 AM
  To: Neo4j user discussions
  Subject: Re: [Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization tool for large DB ?
 
  On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Rick Bullotta 
  rick.bullo...@thingworx.com
   wrote:
 
   I think that both Neo4J and webadmin should have the option of
 specifying
   first N relationships as a limiter.  This limit should be on a
   per-relationship basis (e.g. the first N of each type, rather than
  simply
   the first N relationships).  This way, you would be able to visualize
  all
   of the relationship types that go in/out of the node, but not be
  overwhelmed
   with one specific relationship type.  Also, it would be ideal if some
  visual
   cue that there were more relationships of a given type could be
 provided
   (e.g. a relationship line to a box labeled ...and 10,679 more
  
  
   
   From: user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org [user-boun...@lists.neo4j.org] On
   Behalf Of Pablo Pareja [ppar...@era7.com]
   Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 6:44 AM
   To: Neo4j user discussions
   Subject: Re: [Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization tool for large DB ?
  
   Hi Mattias,
  
   what about the hypothetical scenario where there are ~ 1.000.000
   relationships going out from a node,
   would the visualization tool try to plot all theses relationships?
   If not, would it first fetch them all and then plot a 1.000.000 group
  node?
   Or would it rather plot something like* more than 'x' relationships
  coming
   out from here*?
  
 
  Currently, it would pull down all relationships, and render a group.
 Since
  we've added support for paging traversals since that code was written, we
  could do something like what Rick is suggesting. It would be fun to
 sketch
  a
  bit on how a UI like that could work..
 
  There is quite a bit of stuff in the webadmin backlog, so this won't get
  done right now, but it will eventually bubble to the top of the list :)
 
 
   Cheers,
  
   Pablo
  
   On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Mattias Persson 
   matt...@neotechnology.com
wrote:
  
Hi Pablo,
   
I don't think if there are any hard limits in the webadmin
 visualizer,
  It
mostly depends on your computer and browser (what with the
  implementation
of
web workers and all) I'd say.
   
2011/10/13 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
   
 Hi,

 I was looking for a way to visualize and interact with small
 subsets
  of
 large Neo4j databases, *(somehow*
 *navigating through the data in order to have a general idea of how
things
 are organized at specific parts*
 *of my DB)*.
 So before starting to create my own solution to that, I'd like to
  know
 which
 are the limits/constraints of the new
 WebAdmin tool ?* (in terms of number of rels/nodes in the
  neighborhood/
 total DB)*
 Thanks,

 Pablo

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Re: [Neo4j] Neo4j upcoming features importance poll

2011-11-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
Thank you all for participating and give your votes to the options you feel
are more important.
For sure it'd be great to have another platform to do this that could be
somehow integrated with GitHub, ( I just created the poll with doodle
because it was the one I found after a quick google search which could fit
the needs at some level...)

@Peter yeah I think he'll be :D

Cheers,

Pablo

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Peter Neubauer 
peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Uservoice seems great. If rapportive uses it,
 http://feedback.rapportive.com/forums/42557-general then it is good in
 my book. I think we should try it if we can integrate this with GIThub
 issues.

 Pablo, impressive feedback on http://www.doodle.com/wg8k77vwq6b654bv !
 I think Mattias will be delighted that the supernode support is on top
 ;)

 Cheers,

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 On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Peter Bell li...@pbell.com wrote:
  Uservoice might be a good fit. I used it for feature voting on as OSS
 project and it worked out pretty well...
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Nov 19, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Nigel Small ni...@nigelsmall.name wrote:
 
  Actually sounds like we may have finally found a use for Google Wave!
 :-P
 
  On 19 Nov 2011 13:09, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:
 
  Yeah it'd be great having something more wiki-like that everyone could
  edit.
  I have no idea though about how could this be done
  Any ideas?
 
  Pablo
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Nigel Small ni...@nigelsmall.name
  wrote:
 
  How about something like Wufoo?
 
  http://www.wufoo.com/
  http://www.wufoo.com/
 
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  On 19 November 2011 18:45, Peter Neubauer
  peter.neuba...@neotechnology.comwrote:
 
  I really like this. Is there any other transparent public method you
  poll,
  like a Google form that everyone can edit?
  On Nov 19, 2011 7:19 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:
 
  I just added a link for every possible upcoming feature and created
  an
  issue for those which didn't have one so far.
 
  Sorry for those who voted already but since the options changed,
  their
  vote
  was lost, could you please vote again?
  From now on every time we add a new feature to the poll we should
  create
  its respective issue before adding it.
  At least, whenever a new option is added, the votes for the rest of
  options
  are conserved, so we should be able update our votes just adding our
  vote
  (or not) to the new ones.
  Sorry for the inconvenience!
 
  Pablo
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
  wrote:
 
  Ok, I just did that for the first one; the bad thing about this is
  that
  every time I edit one of the options, all the votes cast for it get
  lost
  and you have to edit your vote again...
  So maybe from now on I'd be better adding new features to the poll
  only
  once their respective issues has been risen in github.
  What do you think?
 
  Pablo
 
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
  wrote:
 
  Yeah that'd be cool, if you give me the links I can put them as
  part
  of
  the options themselves (with bit.ly or something like that).
  Cheers,
 
  Pablo
 
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Peter Neubauer 
  peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:
 
  Guys,
  This is great! Could you raise issues for these and we mitigate
  missing
  voting on Github with this, linking back to github for
  discussion?
  On Nov 19, 2011 1:09 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
  wrote:
 
  @Linan get_or_create feature added ;)
  @Mattias I mean being required to specify a node type at
  creation
  time, (as
  how things are right now with relationships)
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mattias Persson
  matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:
 
  hat exactly does mandatory node types mean?
 
  2011/11/19 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
 
  Hi all,
 
  I was thinking it'd be cool to create a sort of a poll in
  order
  to
  know
  which features (that are missing right now...) are the most
  important
  ones
  for the community. I just did a quick google search for
  free
  online
  poll
  creation platforms and found doodle site, (btw do you know
  a
  better
  site
  to
  do this?).
  The address for the poll is:
  http://www.doodle.com/wg8k77vwq6b654bv
  So far I just added three features that came to my mind
  while I
  was
  creating it, so please say which features you're missing
  and
  I'll
  add
  them
  so

[Neo4j] Exporting Neo4j subgraphs to graphml/gexf....

2011-11-21 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,

I was wondering whether there's (or are any plans to implement) any way to
export sub-graphs to graphml/gexf files?
I did a quick google search and found this:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2204440/convert-neo4j-db-to-xml

However I think it'd be better being able to do this as part of Neo4j core
API,  so that once you are situated in an specific node/relationship of the
graph you could just export its neighborhood (specifying some parameters
like depth) to one of these formats.
Cheers,

Pablo

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[Neo4j] Neo4j upcoming features importance poll

2011-11-19 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all,

I was thinking it'd be cool to create a sort of a poll in order to know
which features (that are missing right now...) are the most important ones
for the community. I just did a quick google search for free online poll
creation platforms and found doodle site, (btw do you know a better site to
do this?).
The address for the poll is:
http://www.doodle.com/wg8k77vwq6b654bv
So far I just added three features that came to my mind while I was
creating it, so please say which features you're missing and I'll add them
so that we can all vote for them or not.
What do you think about all this?
Cheers,

Pablo

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Re: [Neo4j] Neo4j upcoming features importance poll

2011-11-19 Thread Pablo Pareja
Yeah that'd be cool, if you give me the links I can put them as part of the
options themselves (with bit.ly or something like that).
Cheers,

Pablo

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Peter Neubauer 
peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Guys,
 This is great! Could you raise issues for these and we mitigate missing
 voting on Github with this, linking back to github for discussion?
 On Nov 19, 2011 1:09 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  @Linan get_or_create feature added ;)
  @Mattias I mean being required to specify a node type at creation time,
 (as
  how things are right now with relationships)
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mattias Persson
  matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:
 
   hat exactly does mandatory node types mean?
  
   2011/11/19 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
  
Hi all,
   
I was thinking it'd be cool to create a sort of a poll in order to
 know
which features (that are missing right now...) are the most important
   ones
for the community. I just did a quick google search for free online
  poll
creation platforms and found doodle site, (btw do you know a better
  site
   to
do this?).
The address for the poll is:
http://www.doodle.com/wg8k77vwq6b654bv
So far I just added three features that came to my mind while I was
creating it, so please say which features you're missing and I'll add
   them
so that we can all vote for them or not.
What do you think about all this?
Cheers,
   
Pablo
   
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Re: [Neo4j] Neo4j upcoming features importance poll

2011-11-19 Thread Pablo Pareja
Ok, I just did that for the first one; the bad thing about this is that
every time I edit one of the options, all the votes cast for it get lost
and you have to edit your vote again...
So maybe from now on I'd be better adding new features to the poll only
once their respective issues has been risen in github.
What do you think?

Pablo

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

 Yeah that'd be cool, if you give me the links I can put them as part of
 the options themselves (with bit.ly or something like that).
 Cheers,

 Pablo


 On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Peter Neubauer 
 peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Guys,
 This is great! Could you raise issues for these and we mitigate missing
 voting on Github with this, linking back to github for discussion?
 On Nov 19, 2011 1:09 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  @Linan get_or_create feature added ;)
  @Mattias I mean being required to specify a node type at creation time,
 (as
  how things are right now with relationships)
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mattias Persson
  matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:
 
   hat exactly does mandatory node types mean?
  
   2011/11/19 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
  
Hi all,
   
I was thinking it'd be cool to create a sort of a poll in order to
 know
which features (that are missing right now...) are the most
 important
   ones
for the community. I just did a quick google search for free online
  poll
creation platforms and found doodle site, (btw do you know a better
  site
   to
do this?).
The address for the poll is:
http://www.doodle.com/wg8k77vwq6b654bv
So far I just added three features that came to my mind while I was
creating it, so please say which features you're missing and I'll
 add
   them
so that we can all vote for them or not.
What do you think about all this?
Cheers,
   
Pablo
   
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Re: [Neo4j] Neo4j upcoming features importance poll

2011-11-19 Thread Pablo Pareja
I just added a link for every possible upcoming feature and created an
issue for those which didn't have one so far.

Sorry for those who voted already but since the options changed, their vote
was lost, could you please vote again?
From now on every time we add a new feature to the poll we should create
its respective issue before adding it.
At least, whenever a new option is added, the votes for the rest of options
are conserved, so we should be able update our votes just adding our vote
(or not) to the new ones.
Sorry for the inconvenience!

Pablo

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

 Ok, I just did that for the first one; the bad thing about this is that
 every time I edit one of the options, all the votes cast for it get lost
 and you have to edit your vote again...
 So maybe from now on I'd be better adding new features to the poll only
 once their respective issues has been risen in github.
 What do you think?

 Pablo


 On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

 Yeah that'd be cool, if you give me the links I can put them as part of
 the options themselves (with bit.ly or something like that).
 Cheers,

 Pablo


 On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Peter Neubauer 
 peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Guys,
 This is great! Could you raise issues for these and we mitigate missing
 voting on Github with this, linking back to github for discussion?
 On Nov 19, 2011 1:09 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  @Linan get_or_create feature added ;)
  @Mattias I mean being required to specify a node type at creation
 time, (as
  how things are right now with relationships)
 
  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mattias Persson
  matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:
 
   hat exactly does mandatory node types mean?
  
   2011/11/19 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
  
Hi all,
   
I was thinking it'd be cool to create a sort of a poll in order to
 know
which features (that are missing right now...) are the most
 important
   ones
for the community. I just did a quick google search for free online
  poll
creation platforms and found doodle site, (btw do you know a better
  site
   to
do this?).
The address for the poll is:
http://www.doodle.com/wg8k77vwq6b654bv
So far I just added three features that came to my mind while I was
creating it, so please say which features you're missing and I'll
 add
   them
so that we can all vote for them or not.
What do you think about all this?
Cheers,
   
Pablo
   
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Re: [Neo4j] Neo4j upcoming features importance poll

2011-11-19 Thread Pablo Pareja
Yeah it'd be great having something more wiki-like that everyone could
edit.
I have no idea though about how could this be done
Any ideas?

Pablo

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Nigel Small ni...@nigelsmall.name wrote:

 How about something like Wufoo?

 http://www.wufoo.com/
  http://www.wufoo.com/

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 On 19 November 2011 18:45, Peter Neubauer
 peter.neuba...@neotechnology.comwrote:

  I really like this. Is there any other transparent public method you
 poll,
  like a Google form that everyone can edit?
  On Nov 19, 2011 7:19 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:
 
   I just added a link for every possible upcoming feature and created an
   issue for those which didn't have one so far.
  
   Sorry for those who voted already but since the options changed, their
  vote
   was lost, could you please vote again?
   From now on every time we add a new feature to the poll we should
 create
   its respective issue before adding it.
   At least, whenever a new option is added, the votes for the rest of
  options
   are conserved, so we should be able update our votes just adding our
 vote
   (or not) to the new ones.
   Sorry for the inconvenience!
  
   Pablo
  
   On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
 wrote:
  
Ok, I just did that for the first one; the bad thing about this is
 that
every time I edit one of the options, all the votes cast for it get
  lost
and you have to edit your vote again...
So maybe from now on I'd be better adding new features to the poll
 only
once their respective issues has been risen in github.
What do you think?
   
Pablo
   
   
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
  wrote:
   
Yeah that'd be cool, if you give me the links I can put them as part
  of
the options themselves (with bit.ly or something like that).
Cheers,
   
Pablo
   
   
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Peter Neubauer 
peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:
   
Guys,
This is great! Could you raise issues for these and we mitigate
  missing
voting on Github with this, linking back to github for discussion?
On Nov 19, 2011 1:09 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:
   
 @Linan get_or_create feature added ;)
 @Mattias I mean being required to specify a node type at creation
time, (as
 how things are right now with relationships)

 On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Mattias Persson
 matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

  hat exactly does mandatory node types mean?
 
  2011/11/19 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
 
   Hi all,
  
   I was thinking it'd be cool to create a sort of a poll in
 order
   to
know
   which features (that are missing right now...) are the most
important
  ones
   for the community. I just did a quick google search for free
   online
 poll
   creation platforms and found doodle site, (btw do you know a
   better
 site
  to
   do this?).
   The address for the poll is:
   http://www.doodle.com/wg8k77vwq6b654bv
   So far I just added three features that came to my mind
 while I
   was
   creating it, so please say which features you're missing and
  I'll
add
  them
   so that we can all vote for them or not.
   What do you think about all this?
   Cheers,
  
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Re: [Neo4j] Scalability Roadmap

2011-11-18 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Serge,

Regarding supernodes I already opened an issue about this some time ago:

https://github.com/neo4j/community/issues/19

and as you can read there, at the end of the conversation Peter said:  we
will hopefully be on it for 1.6 !  
I really hope they keep thinking of fixing this for 1.6 release, I'd
actually say that this is one of the most urgent points that should be
covered right now...

Cheers,

Pablo Pareja

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 Are these following topics will be treated in future release (and when if
 you
 know) ?

 1/ Supernode

 I know there is a big downside in handle of super-nodes, which can be a big
 issue in a twitter-like website with, for example a user followed by more
 than 200k users (i have in head, real case) or in a recommendation system
 which have sophisticated rules.

 I would like to know if the super-node issue (as we name it) is planned
 to
 be investigated in futures releases ?

 2/ Sharding and horizontal scalability

 I guess sharding is a complex problem to handle with graph db but is it
 planned to address the horizontal scalability goal ? and that, even if it
 should bring us towards kind of inconsistensy but acceptable situation
 (for example, there are many cases of synchronization latency website can
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Re: [Neo4j] Use Cases - Please tell your story

2011-11-11 Thread Pablo Pareja
Maybe we could build a Neo4j graph with all the use-cases grouped by their
field or application, creating the
relationships that may link them and so on and then visualize all with
the webadmin ;)

Pablo

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Peter Neubauer 
peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Jim,
 that is a very good idea! I think we should maybe have some common
 place to collect these things. I personally have a number of slides
 demonstrating different use cases, but nothing crowdsourced.

 Does anyone have a good idea of collecting usecases and demos in a
 distributed way?

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  All Neo4J users out there. Can you provide a few sentences on your
  application/use-case?
 
  Some generic examples might include:
 
  1. We use Neo4J to traverse a social graph, calculating degree of
  separation, centrality, who's connected to whom, who you should know /
  recommendations, influencers, etc. in our social network.
 
  2. We use Neo4J to analyze spatial information for telecom call
  records...clusters, social connections, influencers, etc.
 
  3. We perform LBS analysis for wireless carrier's customers usage
 patterns
  (over time and place)
 
  4. We analyze ACH information for our bank...for fraud detection
 
  5. We have a transportation/delivery application = routing optimization
 
  6. Our implementation is part of a datacenter management/provisioning
 system
 
  7. Network topology analysis/optimization
 
  8. Cell tower utilization/optimization
 
  What's your killer application? Please elaborate ;-)
 
  Why am I asking? I'd like to present/blog/evangelize the successful
  use-cases of Neo4j ;-)
 
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Re: [Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization (are rels. labels configurable?)

2011-10-18 Thread Pablo Pareja
Cool, I'll be waiting for it ;)

Pablo

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Jacob Hansson 
jacob.hans...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 They can't currently, but it is actually the feature I'm currently working
 on, so it's coming :)

 On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  Hi!
 
  I just tried the WebAdmin visualization time for the first time and it
  seems
  pretty cool.
  I have one question though, can be relationships labels be different than
  the rel. name? I've been playing a bit
  with the display options for nodes but didn't find anything for
  relationhips.
 
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Re: [Neo4j] Visualizing all nodes + relationships on WebAdmin

2011-10-18 Thread Pablo Pareja
Yeah, you're right this wouldn't be a good idea for big graphs, and probably
having different behaviors implemented depending
on the size of the graph neither.

What about showing nodes that fulfill a set of rules based on their
properties, i.e. something
like which is already implemented for the visualization profiles?

In my case that would be sufficient cause I always add a property NODE_TYPE
for all nodes, that way I could
just create a couple of filters like 'where property node_type = X ' and
then retrieve only the nodes of the type I'm interested in
(regardless where they are situated in the graph).


On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Peter Neubauer 
peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Pablo,
 I think this is mostly an issue of bandwidth and performance in
 processing the whole graph on the client side, alternatively
 generating some aggregated view on the server side but be less
 responsive on the client side.

 How do you imagine such interaction working? Got a hunch?

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  Well, I'd rather like to have the option of visualizing the whole graph
  without having to specify
  a depth value (cypher option) or direct IDs/Index lookup(Peter's) , cause
 I
  can think of different scenarios where
  that wouldn't be possible in principle.
  Would it be very difficult to implement the whole graph option?
  There already is a method in GraphDatabaseService class where you can
 access
  all nodes (then rels. implicitly as well)
  in your graph; so, couldn't you use this method to somehow achieve this?
  Cheers,
 
  Pablo
 
  On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Peter Neubauer 
  peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:
 
  Or,
  as long as you can address the nodes, e.g. via Index Lookup or direct
  IDs, which should return disconnected graphs, too.
 
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  On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Jacob Hansson
  jacob.hans...@neotechnology.com wrote:
   No, there is currently no way to do that.
  
   Once we add cypher support to the databrowser search bar, you would be
  able
   to write a cypher query that returns everything at some arbitrary
 depth,
   which in practice could be used to return the whole graph, as long as
  it's
   all connected, would that be good enough?
  
  
   /jake
   On 2011 10 18 10:52, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   Can this be achieved without having to access a subset based on some
   property/id/etc... and then
   opening all incoming/outgoing relationships and so on?
   Cheers,
  
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Re: [Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization tool for large DB ?

2011-10-17 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Mattias,

what about the hypothetical scenario where there are ~ 1.000.000
relationships going out from a node,
would the visualization tool try to plot all theses relationships?
If not, would it first fetch them all and then plot a 1.000.000 group node?
Or would it rather plot something like* more than 'x' relationships coming
out from here*?

Cheers,

Pablo

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 wrote:

 Hi Pablo,

 I don't think if there are any hard limits in the webadmin visualizer, It
 mostly depends on your computer and browser (what with the implementation
 of
 web workers and all) I'd say.

 2011/10/13 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com

  Hi,
 
  I was looking for a way to visualize and interact with small subsets of
  large Neo4j databases, *(somehow*
  *navigating through the data in order to have a general idea of how
 things
  are organized at specific parts*
  *of my DB)*.
  So before starting to create my own solution to that, I'd like to know
  which
  are the limits/constraints of the new
  WebAdmin tool ?* (in terms of number of rels/nodes in the neighborhood/
  total DB)*
  Thanks,
 
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Re: [Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization tool for large DB ?

2011-10-17 Thread Pablo Pareja
I thoroughly agree with Rick.

Pablo

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Rick Bullotta rick.bullo...@thingworx.com
 wrote:

 I think that both Neo4J and webadmin should have the option of specifying
 first N relationships as a limiter.  This limit should be on a
 per-relationship basis (e.g. the first N of each type, rather than simply
 the first N relationships).  This way, you would be able to visualize all
 of the relationship types that go in/out of the node, but not be overwhelmed
 with one specific relationship type.  Also, it would be ideal if some visual
 cue that there were more relationships of a given type could be provided
 (e.g. a relationship line to a box labeled ...and 10,679 more


 
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 Hi Mattias,

 what about the hypothetical scenario where there are ~ 1.000.000
 relationships going out from a node,
 would the visualization tool try to plot all theses relationships?
 If not, would it first fetch them all and then plot a 1.000.000 group node?
 Or would it rather plot something like* more than 'x' relationships coming
 out from here*?

 Cheers,

 Pablo

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 matt...@neotechnology.com
  wrote:

  Hi Pablo,
 
  I don't think if there are any hard limits in the webadmin visualizer, It
  mostly depends on your computer and browser (what with the implementation
  of
  web workers and all) I'd say.
 
  2011/10/13 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
 
   Hi,
  
   I was looking for a way to visualize and interact with small subsets of
   large Neo4j databases, *(somehow*
   *navigating through the data in order to have a general idea of how
  things
   are organized at specific parts*
   *of my DB)*.
   So before starting to create my own solution to that, I'd like to know
   which
   are the limits/constraints of the new
   WebAdmin tool ?* (in terms of number of rels/nodes in the neighborhood/
   total DB)*
   Thanks,
  
   Pablo
  
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Re: [Neo4j] Size limits for REST Server?

2011-10-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Jim and Peter,

thanks for the info and the links, I'll have a look at them.
As always happy for the great support around here ;)

Pablo


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Jim Webber j...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Hi Pablo,

  What do you exactly mean by discoverability ? Always getting all in/out
 rels
  for a node?

 Yup, exactly. By default the REST server projects the graph (naively) onto
 the Web (itself a graph).

  About writing an extension, has anyone already done this at some level?
  Is there any kind of docs about this?

 Yes, and I just noticed Peter responded with those links :-)

  And lastly (I just realized I only asked more questions so far... )  is
 the
  REST-Server somehow prepared
  for these extensions? I mean, could I use the 'skeleton' of the Server
 and
  only change some parts in order
  to get all this?

 With the managed and unmanaged extensions, you add your code into the
 server through APIs. The managed API gives you a very graph-centric view and
 manages creation of JSON and HTML representations on your behalf. The
 unmanaged API gives you a JAX-RS API plus direct access to the underlying
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Re: [Neo4j] Article: The Coming SQL Collapse

2011-10-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
 it out even
 more as they continue to fill it up and expand their Domain Model.  A
 bottom
 up approach (and I mean really BOTTOM) is the best practice, but it does
 take thought and research in finding where that generic bottom is at.  A
 Friend - what is a Friend, what attributes does a Friend have ? Which
 ones
 do I care about now and can worry about later ?  A Stock Issuing Company,
 do I need to think of my relationships first for those, or should I start
 with attributes ?  Will those attributes be shared with others ?  Do I care
 about it now at this early beginning of my Domain Model, or can I wait on
 this ?  Should I start with attributes (properties) always, and leave
 relationships alone until the very end, when I build a Domain Model ? (the
 answer to that last question is YES, because Neo4j actually DOES allow you
 to)

  He attacks our pattern of building domain models with Neo4j, calling it
   ugly, smelly and in violation of every law of separation of
 concerns
   and logical vs. physical models. Is he right? My feeling is that he is
   brain washed with too many so called best practices, but Neo4j has
 been
  my
   main model for a long time now, my perspective is likely skewed. I'd
 like
  to
   hear your thoughts.
 

 Your main model IS NOT Neo4j.  That is your main database that holds your
 Domain Model.  And if Neo4j is not really doing this from top to bottom,
 then I would agree with Richard that the Neo4j infrastructure is not in the
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[Neo4j] WebAdmin visualization tool for large DB ?

2011-10-13 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,

I was looking for a way to visualize and interact with small subsets of
large Neo4j databases, *(somehow*
*navigating through the data in order to have a general idea of how things
are organized at specific parts*
*of my DB)*.
So before starting to create my own solution to that, I'd like to know which
are the limits/constraints of the new
WebAdmin tool ?* (in terms of number of rels/nodes in the neighborhood/
total DB)*
Thanks,

Pablo

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[Neo4j] Size limits for REST Server?

2011-10-13 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,

I'd like to know which are the limits in terms of number of
nodes/relationships, topology *(e.g. supernodes*
*with millions of incoming/outgoing relationship in the same node)* for
Neo4j REST-Server?
Has it already been used for large DB / BigData ?
Otherwise, is there anyway to tune the core functionality so that fetching
methods for specific kind of nodes/rels/situations
can be overwritten ?

Cheers,

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Re: [Neo4j] Size limits for REST Server?

2011-10-13 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Jim,

What do you exactly mean by discoverability ? Always getting all in/out rels
for a node?

About writing an extension, has anyone already done this at some level?
Is there any kind of docs about this?

And lastly (I just realized I only asked more questions so far... )  is the
REST-Server somehow prepared
for these extensions? I mean, could I use the 'skeleton' of the Server and
only change some parts in order
to get all this?

Thanks!

Pablo

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Jim Webber j...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Hi Pablo,

 For the very specific use-cases I'd recommend writing an extension rather
 than using the default representations. The default behaviour of the REST
 API emphasises discoverability which in the case of supernodes isn't usually
 desirable.

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[Neo4j] Boston meet-up

2011-10-10 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi!

I'll be in Boston from October 25th to October 29th, will any of you be in
the area
any of these days?
Cheers,

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Re: [Neo4j] We now have an automatic discussion forum on the Nabble Mailing List Archive

2011-07-15 Thread Pablo Pareja
Cool !

It looks much more usable than the mailing list ;)

Cheers,

Pablo

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Michael Hunger 
michael.hun...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 I forgot two things:

 1) I changed all the links on neo4j.org that previously pointed to the
 ugly mailman archive page to point to nabble instead.
 2) The discussion mailing list vs. forum is over, I'm very happy about
 that.

 Michael

 Am 14.07.2011 um 22:01 schrieb Michael Hunger:

  They seem to have updated their UI massively, it now looks and works like
 a
  forum while interacting with this neo4j mailing list.
 
  Landing page is here: http://neo4j-user-list.438527.n3.nabble.com
 
  You can browse and search the forums from there, some hints about mailing
  list usage and forum integration can be found here:
 
 http://neo4j-user-list.438527.n3.nabble.com/mailing_list/MailingListOptions.jtp?forum=438527
 
  There are also some more options for people that are interested like
  Advanced Search, People, Topics view and an green online dot for logged
 in
  people.
 
  It is embeddable as well, so we'll investigate if and how to embed it on
  neo4j.org.
 
  If you register once at nabble with the same email address you used for
 this
  list, you can reply and also post from there without ever having to use
 your
  e-mail program. (You can even turn off to receive messages, so all your
  interaction can be through that forum).
 
  You can also send HTML emails, but I strongly discourage that, if you
 don't
  need it (for instance for embedding relevant images or formatted source
 code
  (monospace).
 
  Cheers
 
  Michael
 
  P.S. This post was written on nabble, so no e-mail program was harmed.
 
 
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[Neo4j] Fulltext indexing apparently not working when done in Batch insertion phase...

2011-06-09 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all!

Recently I noticed that some fulltext indexes I created and populated in my
project in the Batch insertion
phase are not working as expected.
I've carried out some tests and cannot come up with what can be going wrong.
That's why I thought, ok let's try with a really basic example (mostly taken
from the official wiki ) and
see if it works right first.
This is the code:

BatchInserter inserter = new
BatchInserterImpl(target/neo4jdb-batchinsert);
BatchInserterIndexProvider indexProvider = new
LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider(inserter);
BatchInserterIndex actors =
indexProvider.nodeIndex(actors, MapUtil.stringMap(type, fulltext,
provider, lucene));


MapString, Object properties = MapUtil.map(name, Keanu
Reeves);
long node = inserter.createNode(properties);
actors.add(node, properties);


indexProvider.shutdown();
inserter.shutdown();

GraphDatabaseService graphDbService = new
EmbeddedGraphDatabase(CommonData.DATABASE_FOLDER);

MapString, String indexFullTextProps = new HashMapString,
String();
indexFullTextProps.put(provider, lucene);
indexFullTextProps.put(type, fulltext);

//--node indexes---
IndexNode index =
graphDbService.index().forNodes(actors, indexFullTextProps);
System.out.println(index.get(actors, Keanu).size());
System.out.println(index.get(actors, keanu).size());
System.out.println(index.get(actors, Keanu
Reeves).size());

graphDbService.shutdown();


I'm probably doing something wrong but I'm getting 0 size in the three
queries I perform...
Otherwise, is there any kind of known issue for this scenario (I mean,
fulltext indexing with Batch insertion) ?

I'd really appreciate any help with this.
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Re: [Neo4j] Fulltext indexing apparently not working when done in Batch insertion phase...

2011-06-09 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi again,
I just found out that I had the wrong name for querying the actors index,
still when I change it for name
like this:

System.out.println(index.get(name, Keanu).size());
System.out.println(index.get(name, keanu).size());
System.out.println(index.get(name, Keanu Reeves).size());

I still get unexpected results for a fulltext index:

0
0
1

so it seems that it is actually an exact index what was created, even though
I specified the string 'fulltext' ...

Pablo

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

 Hi all!

 Recently I noticed that some fulltext indexes I created and populated in my
 project in the Batch insertion
 phase are not working as expected.
 I've carried out some tests and cannot come up with what can be going
 wrong.
 That's why I thought, ok let's try with a really basic example (mostly
 taken from the official wiki ) and
 see if it works right first.
 This is the code:

 BatchInserter inserter = new
 BatchInserterImpl(target/neo4jdb-batchinsert);
 BatchInserterIndexProvider indexProvider = new
 LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider(inserter);
 BatchInserterIndex actors =
 indexProvider.nodeIndex(actors, MapUtil.stringMap(type, fulltext,
 provider, lucene));


 MapString, Object properties = MapUtil.map(name, Keanu
 Reeves);
 long node = inserter.createNode(properties);
 actors.add(node, properties);


 indexProvider.shutdown();
 inserter.shutdown();

 GraphDatabaseService graphDbService = new
 EmbeddedGraphDatabase(CommonData.DATABASE_FOLDER);

 MapString, String indexFullTextProps = new
 HashMapString, String();
 indexFullTextProps.put(provider, lucene);
 indexFullTextProps.put(type, fulltext);

 //--node indexes---
 IndexNode index =
 graphDbService.index().forNodes(actors, indexFullTextProps);
 System.out.println(index.get(actors, Keanu).size());
 System.out.println(index.get(actors, keanu).size());
 System.out.println(index.get(actors, Keanu
 Reeves).size());

 graphDbService.shutdown();


 I'm probably doing something wrong but I'm getting 0 size in the three
 queries I perform...
 Otherwise, is there any kind of known issue for this scenario (I mean,
 fulltext indexing with Batch insertion) ?

 I'd really appreciate any help with this.
 Cheers,

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Re: [Neo4j] Fulltext indexing apparently not working when done in Batch insertion phase...

2011-06-09 Thread Pablo Pareja
yeah,
it works just fine using query(...) method instead of get(...)

Thanks ;)

Pablo

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Michael Hunger 
michael.hun...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 and you should use index.query(key,querystring) not get for fulltext
 queries

 Sent from my iBrick4


 Am 09.06.2011 um 17:04 schrieb Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com:

  Hi again,
  I just found out that I had the wrong name for querying the actors index,
  still when I change it for name
  like this:
 
  System.out.println(index.get(name, Keanu).size());
  System.out.println(index.get(name, keanu).size());
  System.out.println(index.get(name, Keanu Reeves).size());
 
  I still get unexpected results for a fulltext index:
 
  0
  0
  1
 
  so it seems that it is actually an exact index what was created, even
 though
  I specified the string 'fulltext' ...
 
  Pablo
 
  On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:
 
  Hi all!
 
  Recently I noticed that some fulltext indexes I created and populated in
 my
  project in the Batch insertion
  phase are not working as expected.
  I've carried out some tests and cannot come up with what can be going
  wrong.
  That's why I thought, ok let's try with a really basic example (mostly
  taken from the official wiki ) and
  see if it works right first.
  This is the code:
 
 BatchInserter inserter = new
  BatchInserterImpl(target/neo4jdb-batchinsert);
 BatchInserterIndexProvider indexProvider = new
  LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider(inserter);
 BatchInserterIndex actors =
  indexProvider.nodeIndex(actors, MapUtil.stringMap(type, fulltext,
  provider, lucene));
 
 
 MapString, Object properties = MapUtil.map(name,
 Keanu
  Reeves);
 long node = inserter.createNode(properties);
 actors.add(node, properties);
 
 
 indexProvider.shutdown();
 inserter.shutdown();
 
 GraphDatabaseService graphDbService = new
  EmbeddedGraphDatabase(CommonData.DATABASE_FOLDER);
 
 MapString, String indexFullTextProps = new
  HashMapString, String();
 indexFullTextProps.put(provider, lucene);
 indexFullTextProps.put(type, fulltext);
 
 //--node indexes---
 IndexNode index =
  graphDbService.index().forNodes(actors, indexFullTextProps);
 System.out.println(index.get(actors, Keanu).size());
 System.out.println(index.get(actors, keanu).size());
 System.out.println(index.get(actors, Keanu
  Reeves).size());
 
 graphDbService.shutdown();
 
 
  I'm probably doing something wrong but I'm getting 0 size in the three
  queries I perform...
  Otherwise, is there any kind of known issue for this scenario (I mean,
  fulltext indexing with Batch insertion) ?
 
  I'd really appreciate any help with this.
  Cheers,
 
  Pablo Pareja
 
 
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Re: [Neo4j] Color suggestions for the Self-Relationship bike shed

2011-05-16 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,

definitely +1 for option 1

Pablo

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Adriano Henrique de Almeida 
adrianoalmei...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Marko.

 In fact, I'd say that if you can choose more than one option, I'd go with
 option 1 and 2. The option one when you're not sure you're creating a loop
 (not sure if the end node will be the start node), so in order to avoid ifs
 on the client code, option 1 will go for it. If you're sure, and the
 operation is explicitly a loop, use the 2nd option.

 Regards

 2011/5/16 Marko Rodriguez okramma...@gmail.com

  Hi,
 
  I say option 1.
 
  Marko.
 
  On May 16, 2011 8:12 AM, Tobias Ivarsson 
  tobias.ivars...@neotechnology.com wrote:
 
  There has been a few discussions around supporting Loops, relationships
  with
  the same start node as end node, recently. Both here on the mailing list,
  and even more at the Neo Technology office.
 
  We have a working patch for handling loops in Neo4j, but one final piece
 is
  missing: what should the API look like for creating a loop? There are
 three
  suggestions for this, I'll list them with the pros and cons we've found
 for
  each. It would be great if you could provide some feedback on what you
  think
  on the matter, and which alternative you prefer.
 
  The alternatives:
 
  1. let the existing createRelationshipTo(Node,RelationshipType) create
  loops
  if the same node is passed as argument.
  2. add a new createLoop(RelationshipType) method for creating loops.
  3. add a createRelationshipOrLoop(Node,RelationshipType) method that
 would
  work like createRelationshipTo, except it would permit creating loops.
 
 
  The pros and cons:
 
  PRO 1: does not add a new method to the API that developers have to
 learn.
 
  CON 1: changes the semantics of the createRelationshipTo method slightly
  from what it is today.
 
  CON 1: will not help you catch programming errors where you've mistakenly
  written code that creates a relationship to the same node (most of the
  cases
  where code creates relationships to the wrong node it is to the same
 node).
 
  PRO 2: will let you be explicit of when creating a loop.
 
  PRO 2: will let createRelationshipTo preserve the semantics it has today.
  Which will help catching many create relationships to the wrong node
 cases.
 
  CON 2: will force you to be explicit about loops, most applications that
  wan't loops will just treat them as any relationship where the start node
  and end node will just happen to be the same.
 
  PRO 3: adds loops as a generic construct (start and end just happens to
 be
  the same) without changing the current semantics of createRelationshipTo
 
  CON 3: Introduces a new method that creates relationships between any two
  nodes.
 
 
  It would of course be possible to go with both 2 and 3, and I think
 option
  3
  makes more sense as an addition to option 2, rather than as an
 alternative
  to it.
 
  What do you think?
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Re: [Neo4j] Retrieving a node linked to the reference node takes forever

2011-05-09 Thread Pablo Pareja
Ok, I'm running iostat command and this is what I'm getting so far:

*(First results)*

avg-cpu:  %user   %nice %system %iowait  %steal   %idle
   0.050.000.030.420.30   99.20

Device:tps   Blk_read/s   Blk_wrtn/s   Blk_read   Blk_wrtn
xvdap11.8964.9814.25 161562  35424
xvdg  8.7096.3821.01 239634  52232

*(After ~ 10 minutes with the program stuck)*

Linux 2.6.35.11-83.9.amzn1.x86_64 (ip-10-230-37-212)09/05/11
 _x86_64_(4 CPU)

avg-cpu:  %user   %nice %system %iowait  %steal   %idle
   0.070.050.213.020.26   96.39

Device:tps   Blk_read/s   Blk_wrtn/s   Blk_read   Blk_wrtn
xvdap13.8380.9515.04 227594  42280
xvdg107.06   880.5118.582475482  52232



On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 So I'm assuming there's a high I/O load when this happens? It seems to be
 loading up one or more persistence windows (a part of the database) into
 memory. Could you verify that high I/O load with the iostat command (if
 you're on linux) or any process/system monitor?

 2011/5/6 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com

  There you go:
 
  Full thread dump Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (19.0-b09 mixed mode):
 
  Low Memory Detector daemon prio=10 tid=0x7fa5ac0b7000 nid=0x526
  runnable [0x]
java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE
 
  CompilerThread1 daemon prio=10 tid=0x7fa5ac0b5000 nid=0x525 waiting
  on
  condition [0x]
java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE
 
  CompilerThread0 daemon prio=10 tid=0x7fa5ac0b2000 nid=0x524 waiting
  on
  condition
 
   java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE
 
  Signal Dispatcher daemon prio=10 tid=0x7fa5ac0b nid=0x523
 waiting
  on condition [0x]
java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE
 
  Finalizer daemon prio=10 tid=0x7fa5ac091800 nid=0x522 in
  Object.wait()
  [0x7fa5a20a2000]
java.lang.Thread.State: WAITING (on object monitor)
 at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method)
 - waiting on 0x000103b4afb0 (a
  java.lang.ref.ReferenceQueue$Lock)
 at java.lang.ref.ReferenceQueue.remove(ReferenceQueue.java:118)
 - locked 0x000103b4afb0 (a
 java.lang.ref.ReferenceQueue$Lock)
  [ec2-user@ip-10-230-55-104 bio4j_volume]$   at
  java.lang.ref.ReferenceQueue.remove(ReferenceQueue.java:134)
 at java.lang.ref.Finalizer$FinalizerThread.run(Finalizer.java:159)
 
  Reference Handler daemon prio=10 tid=0x7fa5ac08f800 nid=0x521 in
  Object.wait() [0x7fa5a21a3000]
java.lang.Thread.State: WAITING (on object monitor)
 at java.lang.Object.wait(Native Method)
 - waiting on 0x000103b4af48 (a java.lang.ref.Reference$Lock)
 at java.lang.Object.wait(Object.java:485)
 at
 java.lang.ref.Reference$ReferenceHandler.run(Reference.java:116)
 - locked 0x000103b4af48 (a java.lang.ref.Reference$Lock)
 
  main prio=10 tid=0x7fa5ac007000 nid=0x51b runnable
  [0x7fa5b06cd000]
java.lang.Thread.State: RUNNABLE
 at sun.nio.ch.FileDispatcher.pread0(Native Method)
 at sun.nio.ch.FileDispatcher.pread(FileDispatcher.java:31)
 at sun.nio.ch.IOUtil.readIntoNativeBuffer(IOUtil.java:199)
 at sun.nio.ch.IOUtil.read(IOUtil.java:175)
 at sun.nio.ch.FileChannelImpl.read(FileChannelImpl.java:612)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PersistenceRow.readPosition(PersistenceRow.java:91)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PersistenceWindowPool.acquire(PersistenceWindowPool.java:182)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.CommonAbstractStore.acquireWindow(CommonAbstractStore.java:525)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.RelationshipStore.getChainRecord(RelationshipStore.java:326)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.xa.ReadTransaction.getMoreRelationships(ReadTransaction.java:102)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.xa.NioNeoDbPersistenceSource$ReadOnlyResourceConnection.getMoreRelationships(NioNeoDbPersistenceSource.java:280)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.persistence.PersistenceManager.getMoreRelationships(PersistenceManager.java:100)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.core.NodeManager.getMoreRelationships(NodeManager.java:585)
 at
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.core.NodeImpl.getMoreRelationships(NodeImpl.java:357)
 - locked 0x0005b3cf02d0 (a
  org.neo4j.kernel.impl.core.NodeImpl)
 at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.core.IntArrayIterator.hasNext(IntArrayIterator.java:115)
 at
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.core.IntArrayIterator.next(IntArrayIterator.java:164)
 at
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.core.IntArrayIterator.next(IntArrayIterator.java:34)
 at
 
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportProteinInteractions.main

[Neo4j] Looping through all values of an index, is it possible?

2011-05-09 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all,

I don't know it this has already been asked at some point but I've been
looking up for it in
the mail-list archive and didn't find it.

So the question is pretty simple, as the name of this thread says, is
it somehow possible
retrieving all keys belonging to an specific index?

Cheers,

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[Neo4j] Retrieving a node linked to the reference node takes forever

2011-05-06 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi !

I just run into a problem I don't understand at all.
The scenario is actually quite simple, basically it consists of a simple
node retrieving through a relationship:

1. - There is a node (Protein self-interactions node) which is linked to the
reference node by means of one
  relationship (Protein self-interactions relationship). This is the
piece of code for the node creation/linkage

 public static ProteinSelfInteractionsRel proteinSelfInteractionsRel =
new ProteinSelfInteractionsRel(null);
...

proteinSelfInteractionsProperties.put(ProteinSelfInteractionsNode.NODE_TYPE_PROPERTY,
ProteinSelfInteractionsNode.NODE_TYPE);
long proteinSelfInteractionsNodeId =
inserter.createNode(proteinSelfInteractionsProperties);
inserter.createRelationship(inserter.getReferenceNode(),
proteinSelfInteractionsNodeId,
proteinSelfInteractionsRel, null);

You can check the real code for this file
herehttps://github.com/pablopareja/Bio4j/blob/master/src/com/era7/bioinfo/bio4j/programs/InitBio4jDB.java.
(line 157)

2.-  Later on when I try to get the id of that node:

  IterableRelationship iterable =
manager.getReferenceNode().getRelationships(new
ProteinSelfInteractionsRel(null),Direction.OUTGOING);
  logger.log(Level.INFO,getting node);
  long proteinSelfInteractionsNodeId =
iterable.iterator().next().getEndNode().getId();
  logger.log(Level.INFO,done!);

  (You can also check the code for this here
https://github.com/pablopareja/Bio4j/blob/master/src/com/era7/bioinfo/bio4j/programs/ImportProteinInteractions.java(line
117)

  It just gets stuck forever after getting node

There's no exception thrown and the program just seems to freeze forever
(I've already been waiting for more than 1h with no success)

Do you have any ideas of what could be going on??

I really have no clue of what could I be doing wrong...
In case it may be useful, the size of the DB at this point is around
46.000.000 nodes and 380.000.000 relationships (only a dozen or so
coming/going to
the reference node)

Thanks in advance,


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Re: [Neo4j] Retrieving a node linked to the reference node takes forever

2011-05-06 Thread Pablo Pareja
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Hope this can help

Pablo

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

 Ok, I'm gonna run it again and get the stack trace as you say

 Pablo


 On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Tobias Ivarsson 
 tobias.ivars...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Could you provide a stack trace of what the stuck thread is doing?

 If you issue 'kill -3' to the process it will print a threaddump to
 stdout,
 that will contain a stack trace for the stuck thread.
 If you send that to me it would greatly help me diagnose the issue.

 Cheers,
 Tobias

 On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  Hi !
 
  I just run into a problem I don't understand at all.
  The scenario is actually quite simple, basically it consists of a simple
  node retrieving through a relationship:
 
  1. - There is a node (Protein self-interactions node) which is linked to
  the
  reference node by means of one
   relationship (Protein self-interactions relationship). This is the
  piece of code for the node creation/linkage
 
  public static ProteinSelfInteractionsRel proteinSelfInteractionsRel
 =
  new ProteinSelfInteractionsRel(null);
 ...
 
 
 
 proteinSelfInteractionsProperties.put(ProteinSelfInteractionsNode.NODE_TYPE_PROPERTY,
  ProteinSelfInteractionsNode.NODE_TYPE);
 long proteinSelfInteractionsNodeId =
  inserter.createNode(proteinSelfInteractionsProperties);
 inserter.createRelationship(inserter.getReferenceNode(),
  proteinSelfInteractionsNodeId,
 proteinSelfInteractionsRel, null);
 
  You can check the real code for this file
  here
 
 https://github.com/pablopareja/Bio4j/blob/master/src/com/era7/bioinfo/bio4j/programs/InitBio4jDB.java
  .
  (line 157)
 
  2.-  Later on when I try to get the id of that node:
 
   IterableRelationship iterable =
  manager.getReferenceNode().getRelationships(new
  ProteinSelfInteractionsRel(null),Direction.OUTGOING);
   logger.log(Level.INFO,getting node);
   long proteinSelfInteractionsNodeId =
  iterable.iterator().next().getEndNode().getId();
   logger.log(Level.INFO,done!);
 
   (You can also check the code for this here
  
 
 https://github.com/pablopareja/Bio4j/blob/master/src/com/era7/bioinfo/bio4j/programs/ImportProteinInteractions.java
  (line
  117)
 
   It just gets stuck forever after getting node
 
  There's no exception thrown and the program just seems to freeze forever
  (I've already been waiting for more than 1h with no success)
 
  Do you have any ideas of what could be going on??
 
  I really have no clue of what could I be doing wrong...
  In case it may be useful, the size of the DB at this point is around
  46.000.000 nodes and 380.000.000 relationships (only a dozen or so
  coming/going to
  the reference node)
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
 
  Pablo
 
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Re: [Neo4j] Self-referencing relationships

2011-04-27 Thread Pablo Pareja
 a node to itself, then there is value in the few cases
  where
  you absolutely must have them. Being a database, the decision has been
  to
  err on the side of avoiding problems, even at the cost of some
  convenience.
 
  An approach that could allow for intentional self-referencing, while
  still
  protecting against accidental self-references, would be implement an
  explicit Node.relateToSelfAs(RelationshipType type).
 
  What does you model look like, that you expect to require
  self-referencing?
 
  Best,
  Andreas
 
  On Apr 26, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Shaunak Kashyap wrote:
 
  I know this topic has been discussed before[1] and that a trac issue
  was
  also created[2]. I see that a patch was submitted as part of the issue
  but from browsing the source code[3] it appears that self-referencing
  relationships are still a no-go in Neo4J.
 
  Are there any plans to apply the patch submitted by tobias OR, in
  general, to provide for self-referencing relationships in Neo4J?
 
  We are evaluating Neo4J against OrientDB for an internal tool at
  Yahoo.
  While Neo4J looks like a far more mature product overall, the lack of
  self-referencing relationships might become a sticking point (yes, I
  understand they can be worked around with a middle node but that
  requires the application to handle special cases which we would like
  to
  avoid).
 
  References:
  [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/user@lists.neo4j.org/msg03996.html
  [2] https://trac.neo4j.org/ticket/239
  [3]
 
 https://github.com/neo4j/community/blob/master/kernel/src/main/java/org/neo4j/kernel/impl/core/RelationshipImpl.java#L45
 
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[Neo4j] Neo4j's projects delicious Bookmarks

2011-03-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all!

I was wondering how can Neo4j projects be added to delicious Neo4j's
projects bookmarks ?
I already created the link to Bio4j http://www.bio4j.com project in my
delicious account http://www.delicious.com/pablopareja tagging it with
neo4j and projects, however
it's not displayed yet under the projects list.
should I do something else?

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Re: [Neo4j] Dynamic GEXF node attributes in neo4j database

2011-03-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Matěj,

Regarding the number of nodes/edges in the database you can use the
following lines
of code in case you haven't deleted any (because of id re-use):

*l*ong number = ((EmbeddedGraphDatabase)
graphDatabaseService).getConfig().getGraphDbModule().getNodeManager().getNumberOfIdsInUse(Node.class);
System.out.println(nodes number =  + number);

number =
((EmbeddedGraphDatabase)
graphDatabaseService).getConfig().getGraphDbModule().getNodeManager().getNumberOfIdsInUse(Relationship.class);
System.out.println(relationships number =  + number);

Cheers,

Pablo

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 Hi!
 Do you have any experience how to store changing attributes of node?
 It's like to build a table of changes for each changed node attribute.
 In SQL datastore quite simple, but in no-SQL?
 And one more question. Is it possible with some easy call though Java
 API how to get number of nodes and edges stored in the database? Or I
 have to traversal all graph?
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Re: [Neo4j] Beer and Talk

2011-03-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
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I really like the idea :)

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[Neo4j] Batch Insertion, how to index relationships?

2011-03-02 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi!

I just checked the wiki looking for information on how to index
relationships in batch insertion mode but
didn't find anything so far.
This can be found in the wiki regarding relationship indexing:

RelationshipIndex friendships = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
friendships );
// type isn't a reserved key and isn't indexed automatically
Relationship relationship = friendships.get( type, knows, morpheus,
trinity ).getSingle();

However I cannot find any code snippet for adding relationships to the
index, not just querying it.
How can these two different cases (*batch insertion and standard mode*) be
carried out?

Besides that, I was wondering how node relationships retrieval is
implemented.
In my domain model I have some nodes which have hundred of thousands of
relationships, including different types of them.

Suppose you are already situated on one of these nodes and you want to get
only one specific type of incoming relationships,
retrieval time would be dependent on how many relationships are there
including other types?
or once you specify the relationship type in the node.getRelationships(...)
method it doesn't matter how many relationships are there
of other types in terms of relationship retrieval time?

Thanks in advance,

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[Neo4j] Help with IndexWriter ramBufferSize exception

2011-02-24 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all,

I just got this exception:

ramBufferSize 3584.0 is too large; should be comfortably less than 2048
SEVERE:
org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.setRAMBufferSizeMB(IndexWriter.java:1368)
SEVERE:
org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndex.instantiateWriter(LuceneBatchInserterIndex.java:209)
SEVERE:
org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndex.init(LuceneBatchInserterIndex.java:66)
SEVERE:
org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.index(LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.java:135)
SEVERE:
org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.nodeIndex(LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.java:102)
SEVERE:
com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportGeneOntology.main(ImportGeneOntology.java:107)
SEVERE:
com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportGeneOntology.execute(ImportGeneOntology.java:75)
SEVERE:
com.era7.lib.bioinfo.bioinfoutil.ExecuteFromFile.main(ExecuteFromFile.java:66)
SEVERE:
com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.CreateWholeBio4j.main(CreateWholeBio4j.java:28)

when launching my Batch insertion program once I had updated the indexation
to the new API
any ideas about what should I do?

I'm launching the program in a 68GB RAM machine with the following
batchInserter.properties:

neostore.nodestore.db.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory=12G
neostore.propertystore.db.mapped_memory=12G
neostore.propertystore.db.strings.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.propertystore.db.arrays.mapped_memory=512M

I don't know how or where to change that ramBufferSize' value, which by the
way didn't specified at any point.

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Re: [Neo4j] Help with IndexWriter ramBufferSize exception

2011-02-24 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Mattias,

I guess that my only option would then be limiting the max amount to 2GB as
you say,
however this will make the insertion phase way longer than what I expected
and counted on.
Just to confirm, am I then supposed to launch my java process with at most
-Xmx2G ??

I really think this is an important flaw to work on.
I look forward to seeing it fixed in the near future.

Cheers,

Pablo


On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 There's this hardcoded setting for batch inserter indexes that
 increases the ram buffer size to increase overall performance during
 batch insertion. The formula is:

double atLeast = writer.getRAMBufferSizeMB();
double heapHint =
 (double)(Runtime.getRuntime().maxMemory()/(1024*1024*16));
double ramBufferSize = Math.max( atLeast, heapHint );
writer.getRAMBufferSizeMB( ramBufferSize );

 It's just something which I ballparked and obviously has problems for
 heaps of your size. It's a tough one to fix in your case since you
 cannot parameterize that calculation. The only way would be to modify
 source code and build a new jar, or wait for it to be fixed (maybe by
 limiting the max amount to 2Gb as Lucene seem to suggest). Hopefully
 it can be addressed soon.

 2011/2/24 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com:
  Hi all,
 
  I just got this exception:
 
  ramBufferSize 3584.0 is too large; should be comfortably less than 2048
  SEVERE:
 
 org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.setRAMBufferSizeMB(IndexWriter.java:1368)
  SEVERE:
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndex.instantiateWriter(LuceneBatchInserterIndex.java:209)
  SEVERE:
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndex.init(LuceneBatchInserterIndex.java:66)
  SEVERE:
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.index(LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.java:135)
  SEVERE:
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.nodeIndex(LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.java:102)
  SEVERE:
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportGeneOntology.main(ImportGeneOntology.java:107)
  SEVERE:
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportGeneOntology.execute(ImportGeneOntology.java:75)
  SEVERE:
 
 com.era7.lib.bioinfo.bioinfoutil.ExecuteFromFile.main(ExecuteFromFile.java:66)
  SEVERE:
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.CreateWholeBio4j.main(CreateWholeBio4j.java:28)
 
  when launching my Batch insertion program once I had updated the
 indexation
  to the new API
  any ideas about what should I do?
 
  I'm launching the program in a 68GB RAM machine with the following
  batchInserter.properties:
 
  neostore.nodestore.db.mapped_memory=10G
  neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory=12G
  neostore.propertystore.db.mapped_memory=12G
  neostore.propertystore.db.strings.mapped_memory=10G
  neostore.propertystore.db.arrays.mapped_memory=512M
 
  I don't know how or where to change that ramBufferSize' value, which by
 the
  way didn't specified at any point.
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Pablo
 
 
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Re: [Neo4j] Help with IndexWriter ramBufferSize exception

2011-02-24 Thread Pablo Pareja
Cool, I thought I'd have to decrease the heap size much more.
Anyways, thanks a lot for the quick response and support.
Cheers,

Pablo

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 Using the formula I supplied in my previous reply I'd say you can go
 with a 32G heap or just slightly lower.

 2011/2/24 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com:
  Hi Mattias,
 
  I guess that my only option would then be limiting the max amount to 2GB
 as
  you say,
  however this will make the insertion phase way longer than what I
 expected
  and counted on.
  Just to confirm, am I then supposed to launch my java process with at
 most
  -Xmx2G ??
 
  I really think this is an important flaw to work on.
  I look forward to seeing it fixed in the near future.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Pablo
 
 
  On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Mattias Persson
  matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:
 
  There's this hardcoded setting for batch inserter indexes that
  increases the ram buffer size to increase overall performance during
  batch insertion. The formula is:
 
 double atLeast = writer.getRAMBufferSizeMB();
 double heapHint =
  (double)(Runtime.getRuntime().maxMemory()/(1024*1024*16));
 double ramBufferSize = Math.max( atLeast, heapHint );
 writer.getRAMBufferSizeMB( ramBufferSize );
 
  It's just something which I ballparked and obviously has problems for
  heaps of your size. It's a tough one to fix in your case since you
  cannot parameterize that calculation. The only way would be to modify
  source code and build a new jar, or wait for it to be fixed (maybe by
  limiting the max amount to 2Gb as Lucene seem to suggest). Hopefully
  it can be addressed soon.
 
  2011/2/24 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com:
   Hi all,
  
   I just got this exception:
  
   ramBufferSize 3584.0 is too large; should be comfortably less than
 2048
   SEVERE:
  
 
 org.apache.lucene.index.IndexWriter.setRAMBufferSizeMB(IndexWriter.java:1368)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndex.instantiateWriter(LuceneBatchInserterIndex.java:209)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndex.init(LuceneBatchInserterIndex.java:66)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.index(LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.java:135)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.impl.lucene.LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.nodeIndex(LuceneBatchInserterIndexProvider.java:102)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportGeneOntology.main(ImportGeneOntology.java:107)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportGeneOntology.execute(ImportGeneOntology.java:75)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 com.era7.lib.bioinfo.bioinfoutil.ExecuteFromFile.main(ExecuteFromFile.java:66)
   SEVERE:
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.CreateWholeBio4j.main(CreateWholeBio4j.java:28)
  
   when launching my Batch insertion program once I had updated the
  indexation
   to the new API
   any ideas about what should I do?
  
   I'm launching the program in a 68GB RAM machine with the following
   batchInserter.properties:
  
   neostore.nodestore.db.mapped_memory=10G
   neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory=12G
   neostore.propertystore.db.mapped_memory=12G
   neostore.propertystore.db.strings.mapped_memory=10G
   neostore.propertystore.db.arrays.mapped_memory=512M
  
   I don't know how or where to change that ramBufferSize' value, which
 by
  the
   way didn't specified at any point.
  
   Thanks in advance,
  
   Pablo
  
  
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[Neo4j] Indexing with BatchInserter (with new API) how to doubt

2011-02-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all,

I'm updating my code in order to user the new Indexing API but I have a
doubt,
when using the BatchInserter, (at least with the old one) you were supposed
to use the
classes LuceneIndexBatchInserter or LuceneFulltextIndexBatchInserter but,
what about now?
should I just use the new way of indexing in the middle of the batch
insertions?
wouldn't that indexations be supposed to be done inside transaction blocks?

As you can see I'm a bit confused with this, I'd really appreciate any
clarification.
Cheers,

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Re: [Neo4j] No index provider 'lucene' found with Tomcat/Trinidad

2011-02-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
)
at
 
 
 org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11Protocol$Http11ConnectionHandler.process(Http11Protocol.java:188)
at
 
 
 org.apache.tomcat.util.net.JIoEndpoint$SocketProcessor.run(JIoEndpoint.java:288)
at
 
 
 java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.runTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:886)
at
 
 
 java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:908)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:662)
  Caused by: org.jruby.exceptions.RaiseException: Native Exception:
  'class java.lang.IllegalArgumentException'; Message: No index
 provider
  'lucene' found; StackTrace: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No
  index provider 'lucene' found
at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.getIndexProvider(IndexManagerImpl.java:71)
at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.findIndexConfig(IndexManagerImpl.java:111)
at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.getOrCreateIndexConfig(IndexManagerImpl.java:173)
at
  org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.forNodes(IndexManagerImpl.java:250)
 
  Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No index provider
  'lucene'
  found
at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.getIndexProvider(IndexManagerImpl.java:71)
at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.findIndexConfig(IndexManagerImpl.java:111)
at
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.getOrCreateIndexConfig(IndexManagerImpl.java:173)
at
  org.neo4j.kernel.IndexManagerImpl.forNodes(IndexManagerImpl.java:250)
 
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Re: [Neo4j] Indexing with BatchInserter (with new API) how to doubt

2011-02-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Mattias,

thanks for the link, I don't know how but after checking that page a couple
of times I
somehow didn't see/reach the BatchInserter indexing part... (guess I'd be
too tired)
Cheers,

Pablo

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 2011/2/22 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com

  Hi all,
 
  I'm updating my code in order to user the new Indexing API but I have a
  doubt,
  when using the BatchInserter, (at least with the old one) you were
 supposed
  to use the
  classes LuceneIndexBatchInserter or LuceneFulltextIndexBatchInserter but,
  what about now?
  should I just use the new way of indexing in the middle of the batch
  insertions?
  wouldn't that indexations be supposed to be done inside transaction
 blocks?
 

 The new batch inserter index thingie works almost the same way as the old
 batch insert index. Have you looked at
 http://wiki.neo4j.org/content/Index_Framework#Batch_insertion ? If you
 still
 have questions please let me know so I can add that information there.


 
  As you can see I'm a bit confused with this, I'd really appreciate any
  clarification.
  Cheers,
 
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Re: [Neo4j] Exception creating EmbeddedGraphDatabase from a Servlet

2011-02-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi David,

I just found a workaround for it this afternoon.
I moved my neo4j db folder with all the data into the jetty installation
folder and changed the db folder String
using a relative path instead of an absolute one.
(I guess it's not the most elegant one but it works fine so far).
Cheers,

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On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:40 PM, David Montag 
david.mon...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Pablo,

 Did you resolve this, or is this still an issue for you?

 David

 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:08 AM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  Hi Jim,
 
  I already did it, I'm using a constant defined in the code for the DB
  folder
  which it's the same
  I used for testing things with a really simple jar.
  I also tried changing the permissions for every DB file granting every
 kind
  of permission to any kind of user (I know that's
  kind of crazy but just wanted to make sure it didn't have anything to do
  with that...)
 
  Pablo
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jim Webber j...@neotechnology.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi Pablo,
  
   This caught my eye in your stacktrace: Unable to create directory
 path[]
   for Neo4j
  
   Can you confirm that you have provided the right path for your database
   into your Jetty app?
  
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Re: [Neo4j] No index provider 'lucene' found with Tomcat/Trinidad

2011-02-22 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Mattias,

I'll try that tomorrow and I'll let you know,

Pablo

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Mattias Persson
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 2011/2/22 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com

  Hi,
 
  I just moved my code to the new index API but I cannot deploy my server.
  I've already tried with glassfishv3 and jetty and neither of them works.
  The exception I get is:
 
  java.lang.Exception: java.lang.IllegalStateException:
  ContainerBase.addChild: start: org.apache.catalina.LifecycleException:
  java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: No index provider 'lucene' found
 
  I've already tried directly adding the apache bundle lucene jar to with
 no
  luck.
  any ideas of what could be happening?
 

 Could be java service API not loading stuff as it should probably (index
 providers are loaded that way).

 You say you tried adding the apache bundle lucene jar directly... did you
 also add neo4j-lucene-index jar file? The lucene index provider for neo4j
 consists of Lucene (lucene-core or lucene bundle) and a wrapper to make it
 participate nicely in Neo4j transactions/lifecycle (neo4j-lucene-index).

 
  Cheers,
 
  Pablo
 
  On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Peter Neubauer 
  peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:
 
   Mmmh,
   the main issue here I suspect is that the Java Service Loader is not
   finding the META-INF/services  files. It might be that it is not
   triggered when you add files dynamically to the classloader. That is,
   the JARs are only scanned at startup time for any non-class files.
   Could that be an issue?
  
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   On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Andreas Ronge 
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   wrote:
Hi
   
I have found a work around - I added all the jar files needed in the
classpath before I start Tomcat/Trinidad (put them in the lib folder)
This is awkward since I don't know which jar files should be added
(it's in a configuration file).
Also, I have not managed to get the online backup working in Tomcat
even when I add all the jar files to the classpath.
It works when I run it standalone by just adding the online jar file
at runtime, but not from Tomcat because of some classloading issue ?
   
So, why can't I load the JAR files dynamically like this in Tomcat ?
(which is the same as in ruby: require 'myjar.jar')
   
 URL url = getURL(jarFile);
 getRuntime().getJRubyClassLoader().addURL(url);
   
Is there an alternative of loading the jar files dynamically at
 runtime
  ?
(from
   http://thinkincode.net/2011/02/09/jruby-class-loader-by-example.html)
   
/Andreas
   
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Anders Nawroth
and...@neotechnology.com wrote:
Hi!
   
This is included as a dependency:
   
  
 
 org.apache.servicemix.bundles:org.apache.servicemix.bundles.lucene:jar:3.0.1_2:compile
   
That's an OSGi-friendly packaging of Lucene.
   
/anders
   
On 02/17/2011 09:11 AM, Michael Hunger wrote:
   
Sorry, didn't see your mail (had Andreas' still open for replying).
   
It worked, thanks very much. But funnily the lucene jar is not
   recognized
as dependency by maven for the server (mvn
   dependency:copy-dependencies). I
assume it is added by the server-build project?
   
Cheers
   
Michael
   
Am 17.02.2011 um 08:49 schrieb Mattias Persson:
   
It's probably a classpath issue as you say. You added the
neo4j-lucene-index-XXX.jar file manually to the classpath, but
 also
   make
sure the lucene-core-3.0.1.jar is on the classpath. You can also
  look
   in
the
neo4j-db-directory/messages.log and see which extensions are
  loaded
tigether with the graph database and which of those failed to load
   a.s.o.
   
2011/2/16 Andreas Rongeandreas.ro...@gmail.com
   
Hi
   
When I run my Rails application using Tomcat/Trinidad I get No
  index
provider 'lucene' found, see stack trace below
I think I have seen a similar problem on the gremlin email list.
I guess it's because of a class loading issue, or maybe the
META-INF/services files,
or because in JRuby the neo4j jar files are loaded at runtime.
I need some hints where I should start looking.
   
I have tried to manually add the neo4j-lucene-index-1.3.M02.jar
  file
to the classpath without any luck (jruby -J-cp /home/... -S
  trinidad)
   
The problem occurs in neo4j.rb version= 1.0.0.beta.17 when the
 new
lucene index framework was introduced.
It works in WEBrick/rails s
   
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[Neo4j] Exception creating EmbeddedGraphDatabase from a Servlet

2011-02-21 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi!

I'm having some trouble getting Neo4j DB to work from servlets in my Jetty
server.
There's no problem when I open the DB from a simple jar program file,
however when
I put the same code inside a servlet I get this exception:

org.neo4j.graphdb.TransactionFailureException: Could not create data source
[nioneodb], see nested exception for cause of error
at
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.transaction.TxModule.registerDataSource(TxModule.java:154)
at org.neo4j.kernel.GraphDbInstance.start(GraphDbInstance.java:107)
at
org.neo4j.kernel.EmbeddedGraphDbImpl.init(EmbeddedGraphDbImpl.java:168)
at
org.neo4j.kernel.EmbeddedGraphDatabase.init(EmbeddedGraphDatabase.java:81)
at
org.neo4j.kernel.EmbeddedGraphDatabase.init(EmbeddedGraphDatabase.java:65)
at
com.era7.bioinfo.bioinfoneo4j.Neo4jManager.init(Neo4jManager.java:28)
at
com.era7.bioinfo.servletlibraryneo4j.servlet.BasicServletNeo4j.servletLogic(BasicServletNeo4j.java:138)
at
com.era7.bioinfo.servletlibraryneo4j.servlet.BasicServletNeo4j.doGet(BasicServletNeo4j.java:285)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:707)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:820)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.handle(ServletHolder.java:530)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doHandle(ServletHandler.java:426)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:119)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.security.SecurityHandler.handle(SecurityHandler.java:457)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.session.SessionHandler.doHandle(SessionHandler.java:229)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doHandle(ContextHandler.java:931)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doScope(ServletHandler.java:361)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.session.SessionHandler.doScope(SessionHandler.java:186)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doScope(ContextHandler.java:867)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:117)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandlerCollection.handle(ContextHandlerCollection.java:245)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerCollection.handle(HandlerCollection.java:126)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle(HandlerWrapper.java:113)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.Server.handle(Server.java:337)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpConnection.handleRequest(HttpConnection.java:581)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpConnection$RequestHandler.headerComplete(HttpConnection.java:1005)
at org.eclipse.jetty.http.HttpParser.parseNext(HttpParser.java:560)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.http.HttpParser.parseAvailable(HttpParser.java:222)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpConnection.handle(HttpConnection.java:417)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.io.nio.SelectChannelEndPoint.run(SelectChannelEndPoint.java:474)
at
org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool$2.run(QueuedThreadPool.java:437)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:636)
Caused by: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
at sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance0(Native
Method)
at
sun.reflect.NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(NativeConstructorAccessorImpl.java:57)
at
sun.reflect.DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.newInstance(DelegatingConstructorAccessorImpl.java:45)
at java.lang.reflect.Constructor.newInstance(Constructor.java:532)
at
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.transaction.XaDataSourceManager.create(XaDataSourceManager.java:74)
at
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.transaction.TxModule.registerDataSource(TxModule.java:148)
... 31 more
Caused by: java.io.IOException: Unable to create directory path[] for Neo4j
store.
at
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.xa.NeoStoreXaDataSource.autoCreatePath(NeoStoreXaDataSource.java:178)
at
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.xa.NeoStoreXaDataSource.init(NeoStoreXaDataSource.java:124)
... 37 more

I have to say that I'm not an expert at all dealing with jetty so it's
possible that this exception
is related to server configuration stuff I don't know about.
Any ideas?

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Re: [Neo4j] Exception creating EmbeddedGraphDatabase from a Servlet

2011-02-21 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Jim,

I already did it, I'm using a constant defined in the code for the DB folder
which it's the same
I used for testing things with a really simple jar.
I also tried changing the permissions for every DB file granting every kind
of permission to any kind of user (I know that's
kind of crazy but just wanted to make sure it didn't have anything to do
with that...)

Pablo


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 This caught my eye in your stacktrace: Unable to create directory path[]
 for Neo4j

 Can you confirm that you have provided the right path for your database
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Re: [Neo4j] Help with exception using BatchInserter

2011-02-17 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Massimo,

It's too bad you are running into the same kind of situations, (specially
when
the conclusion you came up to is that Neo4j just degrades...).
However, did you already try dividing the big insertion process into
smaller
steps?
I mean, do you think Neo4j degradation is just proportional to DB size ?
or rather just to the amount of data being inserted in the same Batch
Insertion?
Cheers,

Pablo

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 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Mark Harwood markharw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  However, the underlying Neo4J database doesn't seem to be able to cope
  with inserting these volumes of data on my available hardware and I
  don't have (and would hope not to need) 10s of gigabytes of RAM to
  throw at the problem.

 I'm using different data (see other threads) but this seems the same
 situations I've been running into... Neo4J degrade performance as soon
 as the db grows in size and it can't finish the work.

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Re: [Neo4j] Help with exception using BatchInserter

2011-02-17 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,
First of all I wanted to thank the Neo4j team for the great support with
this mail list.

I'm answering here to Johan Svensson reply to the other thread with the same
name,
(*since this is the original I started before it got replicated somehow*).

Pablo, you had a problem with batch inserter throwing an exception
upon shutdown that I suspected was due to not enough available disk
space. Then there was the the to many open files. Are you still
experiencing problems with that?

I already solved those exceptions.
The first one was just that I run out of space as you said. As simply as
that.
I just didn't realize it since I had a volume of 300G built from a snapshot
of 150G in which
I forgot to run  e2fsck -f and resize2fs so the partition table was not
updated and it actually
was like it had only 150G.

Regarding the latter, as one of your team pointed out, it had
something to do with the OS configuration regarding the allowed max number
of files open
at the same time.
I managed to change the ulimit in my AWS instance and everything seems to
work
so far now.
However one of your colleagues said that even if that could be a possible
workaround, there should
be something weird going on so that the BatchInserter needed to open so many
files at the same time.
I have to say that it's a really intensive insertion with millions of index
lookups, millions of nodes and
relationships insertions plus indexing nodes and relationships in the middle
of all that.
What do you think?

Anyways I hope these two changes will make it and I won't run into more
exceptions anymore.
I'll let you all know how it goes once I finish this Batch Insertion step.

Cheers,

Pablo

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 Hi,

 I managed to change the ulimit in my machine and didn't get the Too many
 open files error
 again. However, even though no exceptions were thrown, this morning when I
 tested some
 queries against the DB results were quite weird and completely unexpected.
 Most nodes that should have been inserted were not, and inferring the total
 number of nodes/relationships
 on the DB using the call:

 *
 GraphService().getConfig().getGraphDbModule().getNodeManager().getNumberOfIdsInUse(Node.class/Relationship.class)
 *
 *
 *
 I got these numbers:
 nodes number = 2224916  (there should be at least 30/40.000.000)
 relationships number = 286701382

 Then I checked the messages.log file and was really surprised when I saw
 this:

 Wed Feb 16 08:45:27 UTC 2011: /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore non clean
 shutdown detected
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
 /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.relationshipstore.db non clean shutdown
 detected
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
 /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.nodestore.db non clean shutdown detected
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Opened
 [/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/nioneo_logical.log.1] clean empty log, version=0
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
 /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.relationshipstore.db rebuild id
 generator, highId=286701382 defragged count=0
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
 /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.nodestore.db rebuild id generator,
 highId=2224916 defragged count=0
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore rebuild id
 generator, highId=4 defragged count=0
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Opened
 [/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/lucene/lucene.log.1] clean empty log, version=0
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Opened
 [/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/lucene-fulltext/lucene.log.1] clean empty log,
 version=0
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Extension
 org.neo4j.kernel.KernelExtension[kernel jmx] initialized ok
 Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: TM new log: tm_tx_log.1

 How come there was a non clean shutdown() operation without any exceptions
 thrown?
 I'd really appreciate any help,
 Regarding the boiled down version of my code I guess I could prepare it but
 it's quite a big project and
 it'd probably be difficult to reproduce the exact situation for the
 insertion due to its dimensions.
 Cheers,

 Pablo


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Mattias Persson 
 matt...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 If that many files are kept open at one point in time there's probably a
 bug
 in the code. I don't think that increasing number of files your OS allows
 is
 a correct solution, but may work as a temporary solution. I'd love to get
 a
 boiled down (or the code as is) version of you code so that I can
 replicate
 that behaviour and fix such bugs.

 2011/2/15 Anders Nawroth and...@neotechnology.com

  Hi!
 
  2011-02-15 13:19, Pablo Pareja:
   (Too many open files)
 
  This could be that you have old processes around that still keep lots of
  files open. Or that you simply have to few file handles available to
  begin with. Just google for Too many open files + your operating
  system, and you'll find information on how to configure this.
 
 
  /anders
 
 
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.lucene.LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.index

Re: [Neo4j] Help with exception using BatchInserter

2011-02-16 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,

I managed to change the ulimit in my machine and didn't get the Too many
open files error
again. However, even though no exceptions were thrown, this morning when I
tested some
queries against the DB results were quite weird and completely unexpected.
Most nodes that should have been inserted were not, and inferring the total
number of nodes/relationships
on the DB using the call:

*
GraphService().getConfig().getGraphDbModule().getNodeManager().getNumberOfIdsInUse(Node.class/Relationship.class)
*
*
*
I got these numbers:
nodes number = 2224916  (there should be at least 30/40.000.000)
relationships number = 286701382

Then I checked the messages.log file and was really surprised when I saw
this:

Wed Feb 16 08:45:27 UTC 2011: /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore non clean
shutdown detected
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.relationshipstore.db non clean shutdown
detected
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.nodestore.db non clean shutdown detected
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Opened
[/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/nioneo_logical.log.1] clean empty log, version=0
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.relationshipstore.db rebuild id
generator, highId=286701382 defragged count=0
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011:
/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore.nodestore.db rebuild id generator,
highId=2224916 defragged count=0
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/neostore rebuild id
generator, highId=4 defragged count=0
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Opened
[/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/lucene/lucene.log.1] clean empty log, version=0
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Opened
[/mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/lucene-fulltext/lucene.log.1] clean empty log,
version=0
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: Extension
org.neo4j.kernel.KernelExtension[kernel jmx] initialized ok
Wed Feb 16 08:45:28 UTC 2011: TM new log: tm_tx_log.1

How come there was a non clean shutdown() operation without any exceptions
thrown?
I'd really appreciate any help,
Regarding the boiled down version of my code I guess I could prepare it but
it's quite a big project and
it'd probably be difficult to reproduce the exact situation for the
insertion due to its dimensions.
Cheers,

Pablo


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 If that many files are kept open at one point in time there's probably a
 bug
 in the code. I don't think that increasing number of files your OS allows
 is
 a correct solution, but may work as a temporary solution. I'd love to get a
 boiled down (or the code as is) version of you code so that I can replicate
 that behaviour and fix such bugs.

 2011/2/15 Anders Nawroth and...@neotechnology.com

  Hi!
 
  2011-02-15 13:19, Pablo Pareja:
   (Too many open files)
 
  This could be that you have old processes around that still keep lots of
  files open. Or that you simply have to few file handles available to
  begin with. Just google for Too many open files + your operating
  system, and you'll find information on how to configure this.
 
 
  /anders
 
 
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.lucene.LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.index(LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.java:186)
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportUniprot.main(ImportUniprot.java:467)
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportUniprot.execute(ImportUniprot.java:192)
  
 
 com.era7.lib.bioinfo.bioinfoutil.ExecuteFromFile.main(ExecuteFromFile.java:66)
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.CreateWholeBio4j.main(CreateWholeBio4j.java:16)
  
   java.lang.RuntimeException: java.io.FileNotFoundException:
   /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/lucene/instit
  ute_name_index/_c7.frq
   (Too many open files)
at
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.lucene.LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.optimize(LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.java:273)
at
  
 
 org.neo4j.index.lucene.LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.shutdown(LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.java:214)
at
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportUniprot.main(ImportUniprot.java:552)
at
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.ImportUniprot.execute(ImportUniprot.java:192)
at
  
 
 com.era7.lib.bioinfo.bioinfoutil.ExecuteFromFile.main(ExecuteFromFile.java:66)
at
  
 
 com.era7.bioinfo.bio4j.programs.CreateWholeBio4j.main(CreateWholeBio4j.java:16)
   Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException:
   /mnt/bio4j_volume/bio4jdb/lucene/institute_name_index/_c7.frq (Too many
  open
   files)
at java.io.RandomAccessFile.open(Native Method)
at java.io.RandomAccessFile.init(RandomAccessFile.java:233)
at
  
 
 org.apache.lucene.store.SimpleFSDirectory$SimpleFSIndexOutput.init(SimpleFSDirectory.java:180)
at
  
 
 org.apache.lucene.store.NIOFSDirectory.createOutput(NIOFSDirectory.java:74)
at
  
 
 org.apache.lucene.index.FormatPostingsDocsWriter.init(FormatPostingsDocsWriter.java:47

Re: [Neo4j] Exception when calling to optimize() method

2011-02-16 Thread Pablo Pareja
Ok, I thought so at the beginning but since I keep getting different
exceptions each
time I try to populate my huge DB I have to consider every possible cause
for
the exceptions.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 You don't really need to call optimize at all... but it will optimize the
 read performance if you do it after a big phase of insertions, before
 heading into a phase where you query the index. Usually batch insertions
 consists of insertions of a lot of nodes (and indexing for those nodes) and
 then when it's time to create relationships: optimize the index, then do
 all
 your queries on it. Merging of index files (which optimize() will do very
 heavily) happens automatically in the background anyway when you insert
 stuff.

 2011/2/14 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com

  I just got an exception when calling to
 
  indexService.optimize();
 
  java.io.IOException: background merge hit exception: _u6:c10863150
  _u7:c2-_u7 into _u8 [optimize] [mergeDocStores]
 
 
 neo4j.index.lucene.LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.optimize(LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.java:273)
 
  any ideas?
 
  I'm calling the optimize() method once per  ~ 30.000 indexations, is it
  that
  too much/few ?
  are you supposed to call this method always between an indexation and a
  query on that index?
 
  Cheers,
 
  Pablo
 
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Re: [Neo4j] Help with exception using BatchInserter

2011-02-16 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi Mark,

Thanks for your contribution.
I'm using a m2.4xlarge EC2 AWS instance type (*68.4 GB of memory, 26
EC2 Compute
Units (8 virtual cores with 3.25 EC2 Compute Units each)).*
Besides I'm parsing a 17G xml file for populating the DB and normally
problems only arise when I have
already inserted a decent amount of data (around 30.000.000 nodes and
50.000.000 relationships), that's why
I was saying it'd be kind of harsh to reproduce the same situation.
Right now I'm gonna try splitting the 17G xml file in at least 10-20 files
and doing that number of
separated batch insertions hoping it would work that way.
I'll let you all know how it goes,

Cheers,

Pablo

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Mark Harwood markharw...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Pablo,

 Regarding the boiled down version of my code I guess I could prepare it
 but it's quite a big project

 Here's a boiled-down batch load demo I did earlier based on public
 Wikipedia data: http://code.google.com/p/graphdb-load-tester/
 It includes what I believe to be a faster Lucene batch indexer service
 using a bloom filter and various other optimisations.
 However, the underlying Neo4J database doesn't seem to be able to cope
 with inserting these volumes of data on my available hardware and I
 don't have (and would hope not to need) 10s of gigabytes of RAM to
 throw at the problem.

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Re: [Neo4j] Help with exception using BatchInserter

2011-02-16 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi David,
there's another thread I started with the same name: Help with exception
using BatchInserter. (*that's the one we are*
*referring to)*
I guess Mark started this one by mistake instead of replying to the other.
Cheers,

Pablo

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:55 PM, David Montag 
david.mon...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I don't have the history of this thread. What issues are you running into?

 David

 On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  Hi Mark,
 
  Thanks for your contribution.
  I'm using a m2.4xlarge EC2 AWS instance type (*68.4 GB of memory, 26
  EC2 Compute
  Units (8 virtual cores with 3.25 EC2 Compute Units each)).*
  Besides I'm parsing a 17G xml file for populating the DB and normally
  problems only arise when I have
  already inserted a decent amount of data (around 30.000.000 nodes and
  50.000.000 relationships), that's why
  I was saying it'd be kind of harsh to reproduce the same situation.
  Right now I'm gonna try splitting the 17G xml file in at least 10-20
 files
  and doing that number of
  separated batch insertions hoping it would work that way.
  I'll let you all know how it goes,
 
  Cheers,
 
  Pablo
 
  On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Mark Harwood markharw...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi Pablo,
  
   Regarding the boiled down version of my code I guess I could prepare
 it
   but it's quite a big project
  
   Here's a boiled-down batch load demo I did earlier based on public
   Wikipedia data: http://code.google.com/p/graphdb-load-tester/
   It includes what I believe to be a faster Lucene batch indexer service
   using a bloom filter and various other optimisations.
   However, the underlying Neo4J database doesn't seem to be able to cope
   with inserting these volumes of data on my available hardware and I
   don't have (and would hope not to need) 10s of gigabytes of RAM to
   throw at the problem.
  
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Re: [Neo4j] Does BatchInserter auto-commit before shutting down?

2011-02-15 Thread Pablo Pareja
Yeah, I'm inserting stuff into an index as you say and I always shutdown the
BatchInserterIndexProvider prior to the inserter shutdown.
I have to say that I'm a bit confused about all these exceptions and don't
know what
I could be doing wrong. I put another question regarding indexer and
callings to optimize()
method, which has been the reason for my last problem.
Cheers

Pablo


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 It looks to me that you're inserting stuff into an index as well,
 http://wiki.neo4j.org/content/Index_Framework#Batch_insertion right? If
 you
 do that you'll have to call shutdown on that BatchInserterIndexProvider on
 conjunction with shutting down the BatchInserter.

 2011/2/14 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com

  Yeah, that's what I thought, I just wanted to confirm it.
  Thanks
 
  Pablo
 
  On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Tobias Ivarsson 
  tobias.ivars...@neotechnology.com wrote:
 
   BatchInserter.shutdown() is synchronous, it has to be, otherwise it
   wouldn't
   be safe at all.
   After shutdown() has returned it guarantees that all store files have
  been
   written, and are in a consistent state.
  
   -t
  
   On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
 wrote:
  
Great, thanks for the information.
Just out of curiosity then, are calls to BatchInserter.shutdown()
 sync
  or
asynchronous ?
I mean, does the program flow stops in that call till every operation
  the
shutdown implies has been
performed?
Cheers,
   
Pablo
   
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Tobias Ivarsson 
tobias.ivars...@neotechnology.com wrote:
   
 The batch inserter will write data to disk as needed. The memory
  mapped
 regions are used to speed up writes, so that the API level writes
 can
   be
 done to the memory mapped regions which can then be written in
 large
 sequential chunks to disk.

 You do not have to shut down the batch inserter for this to happen,
  it
   is
 taken care of automatically.

 Cheers,
 Tobias

 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
   wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I was wondering whether once the memory-mapping configuration for
  BatchInserter is full *(for example*
  *in the case of  neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory)
 *the
class
  would auto-commit these changes
  to disk or it would just throw an exception.
  In the latter case, what would the options be?
 
  In my case I have to insert a huge amount of data that cannot be
 allocated
  in RAM.
  First I thought the BatchInserter would deal with this kind of
situation,
  however I keep getting exceptions whenever the
  program reaches the point where *(I guess) *memory mapping
configuration
 is
  not enough.
 
  Since I cannot use more RAM than what I have, I thought, ok so I
  will
  shutdown both inserter and index service and
  create them again each time the program have already inserted a
   decent
  amount of data.
  Then, don't know why but after a couple of tests, at some point
 the
 program
  always halts throwing a really weird exception
  saying something about a index file that exists but cannot be
   accessed
in
  the merge process ?!?
 
  I guess I'd be doing something wrong but cannot figure out what
 it
   is.
  Thanks in advance
 
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[Neo4j] Help with exception using BatchInserter

2011-02-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all,
I keep getting this exception and don't know what the reason could be:

Unable to write record[244986398] @[32583190934]
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.AbstractPersistenceWindow.writeOut(AbstractPersistenceWindow.java:112)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.AbstractPersistenceWindow.force(AbstractPersistenceWindow.java:124)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PersistenceWindowPool.flushAll(PersistenceWindowPool.java:251)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PersistenceWindowPool.close(PersistenceWindowPool.java:224)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.CommonAbstractStore.close(CommonAbstractStore.java:614)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PropertyStore.closeStorage(PropertyStore.java:101)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.CommonAbstractStore.close(CommonAbstractStore.java:611)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.NeoStore.closeStorage(NeoStore.java:115)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.CommonAbstractStore.close(CommonAbstractStore.java:611)
org.neo4j.kernel.impl.batchinsert.BatchInserterImpl.shutdown(BatchInserterImpl.java:351)

I'm using a 65G RAM machine and the java process is launched with -Xmx63G
the conf values I pass to the batch inserter are the following:

neostore.nodestore.db.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.propertystore.db.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.propertystore.db.strings.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.propertystore.db.arrays.mapped_memory=0M

Besides, there were still 50G free space in the disk when this exception was
thrown

I'd really appreciate any help,
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Re: [Neo4j] Help with exception using BatchInserter

2011-02-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
Ups... I thought memory mapping was using the Java heap space.
Thanks

Pablo

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Tobias Ivarsson 
tobias.ivars...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Your problem is likely related to the fact that 10G+10G+10G+10G + 63G 
 64G.

 Memory mapping uses memory outside of the Java heap. All memory you use,
 memory mapping plus Java heap must fit in the available RAM.

 Cheers,
 Tobias

 On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  Hi all,
  I keep getting this exception and don't know what the reason could be:
 
  Unable to write record[244986398] @[32583190934]
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.AbstractPersistenceWindow.writeOut(AbstractPersistenceWindow.java:112)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.AbstractPersistenceWindow.force(AbstractPersistenceWindow.java:124)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PersistenceWindowPool.flushAll(PersistenceWindowPool.java:251)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PersistenceWindowPool.close(PersistenceWindowPool.java:224)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.CommonAbstractStore.close(CommonAbstractStore.java:614)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.PropertyStore.closeStorage(PropertyStore.java:101)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.CommonAbstractStore.close(CommonAbstractStore.java:611)
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.NeoStore.closeStorage(NeoStore.java:115)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.nioneo.store.CommonAbstractStore.close(CommonAbstractStore.java:611)
 
 
 org.neo4j.kernel.impl.batchinsert.BatchInserterImpl.shutdown(BatchInserterImpl.java:351)
 
  I'm using a 65G RAM machine and the java process is launched with -Xmx63G
  the conf values I pass to the batch inserter are the following:
 
  neostore.nodestore.db.mapped_memory=10G
  neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory=10G
  neostore.propertystore.db.mapped_memory=10G
  neostore.propertystore.db.strings.mapped_memory=10G
  neostore.propertystore.db.arrays.mapped_memory=0M
 
  Besides, there were still 50G free space in the disk when this exception
  was
  thrown
 
  I'd really appreciate any help,
  Cheers
 
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[Neo4j] Does BatchInserter auto-commit before shutting down?

2011-02-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi,

I was wondering whether once the memory-mapping configuration for
BatchInserter is full *(for example*
*in the case of  neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory) *the class
would auto-commit these changes
to disk or it would just throw an exception.
In the latter case, what would the options be?

In my case I have to insert a huge amount of data that cannot be allocated
in RAM.
First I thought the BatchInserter would deal with this kind of situation,
however I keep getting exceptions whenever the
program reaches the point where *(I guess) *memory mapping configuration is
not enough.

Since I cannot use more RAM than what I have, I thought, ok so I will
shutdown both inserter and index service and
create them again each time the program have already inserted a decent
amount of data.
Then, don't know why but after a couple of tests, at some point the program
always halts throwing a really weird exception
saying something about a index file that exists but cannot be accessed in
the merge process ?!?

I guess I'd be doing something wrong but cannot figure out what it is.
Thanks in advance

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Re: [Neo4j] Does BatchInserter auto-commit before shutting down?

2011-02-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
Great, thanks for the information.
Just out of curiosity then, are calls to BatchInserter.shutdown() sync or
asynchronous ?
I mean, does the program flow stops in that call till every operation the
shutdown implies has been
performed?
Cheers,

Pablo

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Tobias Ivarsson 
tobias.ivars...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 The batch inserter will write data to disk as needed. The memory mapped
 regions are used to speed up writes, so that the API level writes can be
 done to the memory mapped regions which can then be written in large
 sequential chunks to disk.

 You do not have to shut down the batch inserter for this to happen, it is
 taken care of automatically.

 Cheers,
 Tobias

 On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I was wondering whether once the memory-mapping configuration for
  BatchInserter is full *(for example*
  *in the case of  neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory) *the class
  would auto-commit these changes
  to disk or it would just throw an exception.
  In the latter case, what would the options be?
 
  In my case I have to insert a huge amount of data that cannot be
 allocated
  in RAM.
  First I thought the BatchInserter would deal with this kind of situation,
  however I keep getting exceptions whenever the
  program reaches the point where *(I guess) *memory mapping configuration
 is
  not enough.
 
  Since I cannot use more RAM than what I have, I thought, ok so I will
  shutdown both inserter and index service and
  create them again each time the program have already inserted a decent
  amount of data.
  Then, don't know why but after a couple of tests, at some point the
 program
  always halts throwing a really weird exception
  saying something about a index file that exists but cannot be accessed in
  the merge process ?!?
 
  I guess I'd be doing something wrong but cannot figure out what it is.
  Thanks in advance
 
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[Neo4j] Exception when calling to optimize() method

2011-02-14 Thread Pablo Pareja
I just got an exception when calling to

indexService.optimize();

java.io.IOException: background merge hit exception: _u6:c10863150
_u7:c2-_u7 into _u8 [optimize] [mergeDocStores]
neo4j.index.lucene.LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.optimize(LuceneIndexBatchInserterImpl.java:273)

any ideas?

I'm calling the optimize() method once per  ~ 30.000 indexations, is it that
too much/few ?
are you supposed to call this method always between an indexation and a
query on that index?

Cheers,

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Re: [Neo4j] Relationship indexing

2011-02-02 Thread Pablo Pareja
Yes, I'm running embedded.

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Michael Hunger 
michael.hun...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 I assume Pablo is running embedded.

 Is that correct?

 Michael

 Am 01.02.2011 um 13:21 schrieb Peter Neubauer:

  Also,
  have you taken a look at the returned document? Transferring thousands
  of relationships and parsing them as JSON on both client and server
  might not be optimal.
 
  Cheers,
 
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  On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Michael Hunger
  michael.hun...@neotechnology.com wrote:
  It sounds as if you are looping through all of them? Have they all the
 same relationshiptype and direction?
 
  Otherwise perhaps use node.getRelationships(type, direction)
 
  Perhaps you can also use a traverser for accessing the relationship?
 
  Cheers
 
  Michael
 
  Am 01.02.2011 um 12:37 schrieb Mattias Persson:
 
  2011/2/1 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
 
  Hi all,
 
  I'm working on a project with millions of nodes and relationships and
 I'm
  using Neo4j for it.
  I'm doing some tests and I'm surprised of how slow it gets when it
 comes to
  getting specific relationships
  from one node...
 
  How's it actually implemented?
 
  The node I want to get the relationships from is indexed so getting
 there
  is
  almost instantaneous, however
  looping over its outgoing relationships seems to be really slow.
  In the last test I just did it took about 10 minutes for retrieving
 around
  45.000 outgoing relationships.
 
 
  What kind of heap settings and memory mapping configuration are you
 using?
  This sounds like disk swapping IMHO. 45000 relationships are quite few
 and
  should take well below a second to get. But if you just want to get a
  specific relationship (based on a property value or other node or
 something
  similar) then indexing would be a faster solution. Maybe something like
  this:
 
   RelationshipIndex index = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
  my-relationships );
   ...
   Relationship myRelationship = myNode.createRelationship( myOtherNode,
  myRelationshipType );
   index.add( myRelationship, myKey, myValue );
   ...
   Relationship relForMyKey = index.get( myKey, myValue
 ).getSingle();
   for ( Relationships relBetweenMyNodes : index.get( null, null, myNode,
  myOtherNode ) ) {
System.out.println( Relationship  + relBetweenMyNodes + 
 found );
   }
 
  Does that help you?
 
 
  I've also been checking the wiki site for the Index Framework and
 there's
  only one small paragraph talking about
  indexing relationships but not about how to create them
 
  RelationshipIndex friendships = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
  friendships );
  // type isn't a reserved key and isn't indexed automatically
  Relationship relationship = friendships.get( type, knows,
 morpheus,
  trinity ).getSingle();
 
 
  I'll try to update the wiki page with a little more/better information!
 
 
 
  so do you have any idea of the proper way for indexing relationships?
  Thanks in advance,
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Re: [Neo4j] Relationship indexing

2011-02-02 Thread Pablo Pareja
First of all thanks for your quick response,

I'm using BatchInserter for the creation of all nodes and relationships, I
pass a conf file with these
parameters to the inserter:

neostore.nodestore.db.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.relationshipstore.db.mapped_memory=15G
neostore.propertystore.db.mapped_memory=10G
neostore.propertystore.db.strings.mapped_memory=15G
neostore.propertystore.db.arrays.mapped_memory=0M

for a 64 GB of RAM computer.

However, I have to say that I don't pass any configuration file when
creating the GraphDatabaseService.
I just pass the db folder whenever I have to create a GraphDatabaseService
instance in order to perform any kind of query. (I'm not using the new neo4j
server feature, I navigate through the graph manually).

This is the code I use for retrieving the relationships:

IteratorRelationship relIterator =
node.getRelationships(SomeRelationship,Direction.INCOMING).iterator();
while(interproRelIterator.hasNext()){
   Wrapper wrapper =
new Wrapper(interproRelIterator.next().getStartNode());
}

The current size of my db is somewhere around 35.000.000 nodes and
20.000.000 relationships.

Thanks in advance,


On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Mattias Persson
matt...@neotechnology.comwrote:

 2011/2/1 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com

  Hi all,
 
  I'm working on a project with millions of nodes and relationships and I'm
  using Neo4j for it.
  I'm doing some tests and I'm surprised of how slow it gets when it comes
 to
  getting specific relationships
  from one node...
 
  How's it actually implemented?
 
  The node I want to get the relationships from is indexed so getting there
  is
  almost instantaneous, however
  looping over its outgoing relationships seems to be really slow.
  In the last test I just did it took about 10 minutes for retrieving
 around
  45.000 outgoing relationships.
 

 What kind of heap settings and memory mapping configuration are you using?
 This sounds like disk swapping IMHO. 45000 relationships are quite few and
 should take well below a second to get. But if you just want to get a
 specific relationship (based on a property value or other node or something
 similar) then indexing would be a faster solution. Maybe something like
 this:

  RelationshipIndex index = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
 my-relationships );
  ...
  Relationship myRelationship = myNode.createRelationship( myOtherNode,
 myRelationshipType );
  index.add( myRelationship, myKey, myValue );
  ...
  Relationship relForMyKey = index.get( myKey, myValue ).getSingle();
  for ( Relationships relBetweenMyNodes : index.get( null, null, myNode,
 myOtherNode ) ) {
   System.out.println( Relationship  + relBetweenMyNodes +  found );
  }

 Does that help you?


  I've also been checking the wiki site for the Index Framework and there's
  only one small paragraph talking about
  indexing relationships but not about how to create them
 
   RelationshipIndex friendships = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
  friendships );
   // type isn't a reserved key and isn't indexed automatically
   Relationship relationship = friendships.get( type, knows, morpheus,
  trinity ).getSingle();
 

 I'll try to update the wiki page with a little more/better information!

 
 
  so do you have any idea of the proper way for indexing relationships?
  Thanks in advance,
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Re: [Neo4j] Relationship indexing

2011-02-02 Thread Pablo Pareja
Maybe I'm wrong but what you say would just apply for server feature uses
right?
(which is not my case)
Cheers,

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Peter Neubauer 
peter.neuba...@neotechnology.com wrote:

 Also,
 have you taken a look at the returned document? Transferring thousands
 of relationships and parsing them as JSON on both client and server
 might not be optimal.

 Cheers,

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 On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Michael Hunger
 michael.hun...@neotechnology.com wrote:
  It sounds as if you are looping through all of them? Have they all the
 same relationshiptype and direction?
 
  Otherwise perhaps use node.getRelationships(type, direction)
 
  Perhaps you can also use a traverser for accessing the relationship?
 
  Cheers
 
  Michael
 
  Am 01.02.2011 um 12:37 schrieb Mattias Persson:
 
  2011/2/1 Pablo Pareja ppar...@era7.com
 
  Hi all,
 
  I'm working on a project with millions of nodes and relationships and
 I'm
  using Neo4j for it.
  I'm doing some tests and I'm surprised of how slow it gets when it
 comes to
  getting specific relationships
  from one node...
 
  How's it actually implemented?
 
  The node I want to get the relationships from is indexed so getting
 there
  is
  almost instantaneous, however
  looping over its outgoing relationships seems to be really slow.
  In the last test I just did it took about 10 minutes for retrieving
 around
  45.000 outgoing relationships.
 
 
  What kind of heap settings and memory mapping configuration are you
 using?
  This sounds like disk swapping IMHO. 45000 relationships are quite few
 and
  should take well below a second to get. But if you just want to get a
  specific relationship (based on a property value or other node or
 something
  similar) then indexing would be a faster solution. Maybe something like
  this:
 
   RelationshipIndex index = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
  my-relationships );
   ...
   Relationship myRelationship = myNode.createRelationship( myOtherNode,
  myRelationshipType );
   index.add( myRelationship, myKey, myValue );
   ...
   Relationship relForMyKey = index.get( myKey, myValue ).getSingle();
   for ( Relationships relBetweenMyNodes : index.get( null, null, myNode,
  myOtherNode ) ) {
System.out.println( Relationship  + relBetweenMyNodes +  found
 );
   }
 
  Does that help you?
 
 
  I've also been checking the wiki site for the Index Framework and
 there's
  only one small paragraph talking about
  indexing relationships but not about how to create them
 
  RelationshipIndex friendships = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
  friendships );
  // type isn't a reserved key and isn't indexed automatically
  Relationship relationship = friendships.get( type, knows, morpheus,
  trinity ).getSingle();
 
 
  I'll try to update the wiki page with a little more/better information!
 
 
 
  so do you have any idea of the proper way for indexing relationships?
  Thanks in advance,
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[Neo4j] Relationship indexing

2011-02-01 Thread Pablo Pareja
Hi all,

I'm working on a project with millions of nodes and relationships and I'm
using Neo4j for it.
I'm doing some tests and I'm surprised of how slow it gets when it comes to
getting specific relationships
from one node...

How's it actually implemented?

The node I want to get the relationships from is indexed so getting there is
almost instantaneous, however
looping over its outgoing relationships seems to be really slow.
In the last test I just did it took about 10 minutes for retrieving around
45.000 outgoing relationships.

I've also been checking the wiki site for the Index Framework and there's
only one small paragraph talking about
indexing relationships but not about how to create them

  RelationshipIndex friendships = graphDb.index().forRelationships(
friendships );
  // type isn't a reserved key and isn't indexed automatically
  Relationship relationship = friendships.get( type, knows, morpheus,
trinity ).getSingle();


so do you have any idea of the proper way for indexing relationships?
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