Customer journey with an E-commerce

[Arpit Mor]

Hello All,


I am planning to schedule a discussion series on "Customer journey with an
E-commerce." The following point can be discussed in these sessions:

   - The expectations of a customer while buying from an e-commerce v/s the
   expectation of a customer while buying from a brick and mortar store
   - Improving customer experience while buying from an e-commerce
   - Order life cycle and communicating with the customer during various
   order life cycle events
   - Role of mobile-first, omnichannel, buy online and pickup in store
   (BOPIS), buy online and return in store (BORIS) strategies in improving
   customer experience

If anyone would like to a part of the discussion, please let me know. We
can work out a suitable time for all the interested parties.


Thanks

Kind Regards,
Arpit Mor
ENTERPRISE QUALITY ENGINEER
mobile: +91 9098005893
email: arpit@hotwaxsystems.com
*www.hotwax.co <http://www.hotwax.co/>*

Re: OFBiz and E-commerce Payment Gateways

[Gavin Mabie]

Happy 2020 to you too Pierre, and to all other Ofbiz users around the world.

Gavin

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:31 PM Pierre Smits  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> First of all allows me to wish you all a happy and prosperous new year.
>
> In the past I have created some E-Commerce Payment Gateway (EPG) plugins
> like for MultiSafepay and Adyen (see [1] and [2]). And I am looking forward
> to continue that kind of contribution to the OFBiz community by adding more
> relevant EPGs.
>
> What would you like to see taken on? State your implemented OFBiz version
> and preference
>
> [1] https://github.com/ORRTIZ/omultisafepay
> [2] https://github.com/ORRTIZ/oadyen
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President*
> *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
> Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer
> *Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges)
> since 2008*
> Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer
>

OFBiz and E-commerce Payment Gateways

[Pierre Smits]

Hi all,

First of all allows me to wish you all a happy and prosperous new year.

In the past I have created some E-Commerce Payment Gateway (EPG) plugins
like for MultiSafepay and Adyen (see [1] and [2]). And I am looking forward
to continue that kind of contribution to the OFBiz community by adding more
relevant EPGs.

What would you like to see taken on? State your implemented OFBiz version
and preference

[1] https://github.com/ORRTIZ/omultisafepay
[2] https://github.com/ORRTIZ/oadyen

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President*
*Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member*
Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer
*Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer

Re: Error in trunk E-commerce

[Bagas Sanjaya]

Hi,

Can you please tell us steps to reproduce the issue?

On 16/12/19 14.33, Shrilesh Korgaonkar wrote:

Hi Guys,
https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main
I was trying use e-commerce trunk demo to use document upload in profile

I'm getting this is a type of error
The Following Errors Occurred:
No uploaded content found in context


Regards,
Shrilesh K.



--
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

Error in trunk E-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

Hi Guys,
https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/main
I was trying use e-commerce trunk demo to use document upload in profile

I'm getting this is a type of error
The Following Errors Occurred:
No uploaded content found in context


Regards,
Shrilesh K.

E-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

Hi,

I wanted use PayPalServices.java & PayflowPro.java which was
excludedJavaSources form application
which jar is required for
org/apache/ofbiz/accounting/thirdparty/paypal/PayPalServices.java
org/apache/ofbiz/accounting/thirdparty/verisign/PayflowPro.java

Any pointers or links would be highly appreciated.
Regards

Re: E-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

i got what ur saying but i already done half config
Business Email , Api User Name , Api Password , Api Signature - i got them
what about ' Api Environment ' what it's value ?
thank you for ur reply

Thanks & Regards

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 12:14 PM Arun Patidar <
arun.pati...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

> Hello Shrilesh,
>
> You will need two accounts on Paypal, one as merchant account and another
> one as buyer account.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> ---
> Arun Patidar
> Director of Information SystemsHotWax Commerce 
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:39 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I am trying to configure the PayPal dev account with ofbiz. To that
> effect
> > could someone please give me some idea about below please..It is the Api
> > environment property that I am confused about.
> > Is it supposed to be any random string that helps identify which
> > environment the PayPal call is made from.. i.e. my own test environment
> or
> > something that I need find from PayPal side?
> >
> > Accounting -> Payment Gateway Config -> PayPal Config ->
> >
> > Any pointers or links would be highly appreciated.
> > Regards
> > Shrilesh
> >
>

Re: E-commerce

[Arun Patidar]

Hello Shrilesh,

You will need two accounts on Paypal, one as merchant account and another
one as buyer account.

Thanks & Regards
---
Arun Patidar
Director of Information SystemsHotWax Commerce 



On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:39 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:

> Hi,
> I am trying to configure the PayPal dev account with ofbiz. To that effect
> could someone please give me some idea about below please..It is the Api
> environment property that I am confused about.
> Is it supposed to be any random string that helps identify which
> environment the PayPal call is made from.. i.e. my own test environment or
> something that I need find from PayPal side?
>
> Accounting -> Payment Gateway Config -> PayPal Config ->
>
> Any pointers or links would be highly appreciated.
> Regards
> Shrilesh
>

E-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

Hi,
I am trying to configure the PayPal dev account with ofbiz. To that effect
could someone please give me some idea about below please..It is the Api
environment property that I am confused about.
Is it supposed to be any random string that helps identify which
environment the PayPal call is made from.. i.e. my own test environment or
something that I need find from PayPal side?

Accounting -> Payment Gateway Config -> PayPal Config ->

Any pointers or links would be highly appreciated.
Regards
Shrilesh

Re: Mix and Match Product Confuguration for E COmmerce

[Deepak Dixit]

Hi Yokesh

Your email has been moderated, Please subscribe to mailing list.
http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html





Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit


On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:57 PM, yokesh  wrote:

> How to comine/mix and match two or more  products in the way of combo in a
> ofbiz.
>
> It should not be in the way of virtual/variant product.
>
>
> Regards,
> Yokesh.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-User-f135036.html
>

Re: Mix and Match Product Confuguration for E COmmerce

[Suraj Khurana]

Hi Yokesh,

You can set up a marketing package type product. For example, please refer
to OFBiz demo data.
Refer: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBENDUSER/Products

HTH.
--
Best Regards,
Suraj Khurana
Technical Consultant
*HotWax Commerce *
*Real OmniChannel. Real Results. *





On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:57 PM, yokesh  wrote:

> How to comine/mix and match two or more  products in the way of combo in a
> ofbiz.
>
> It should not be in the way of virtual/variant product.
>
>
> Regards,
> Yokesh.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-User-f135036.html
>

Re: Mix and Match Product Confuguration for E COmmerce

[Deepak Dixit]

Hi Yokesh,

You can use Marketing Package for the same.
https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/catalog/control/EditProductAssoc?productId=GZ-BASKET-PICK

Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit


On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 1:57 PM, yokesh  wrote:

> How to comine/mix and match two or more  products in the way of combo in a
> ofbiz.
>
> It should not be in the way of virtual/variant product.
>
>
> Regards,
> Yokesh.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-User-f135036.html
>

Mix and Match Product Confuguration for E COmmerce

[yokesh]

How to comine/mix and match two or more  products in the way of combo in a
ofbiz. 

It should not be in the way of virtual/variant product.


Regards,
Yokesh.



--
Sent from: http://ofbiz.135035.n4.nabble.com/OFBiz-User-f135036.html

Re: E-Commerce

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Shrilesh,

If you are interested in Solr within OFBiz you might check 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042

And especially the documentation at 
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12753964/OFBIZ-5042-OriginalDescription.txt

It's no longer easy to spot since Pierre Smits simplified the Jira description while standardising the Solr plugin README.MD. Actually this should 
rather be an internal Asciidoc now (in trunk). I'll work on it and should deploy a wiki page "copied" from it too.


Currently OFBiz trunk relies on Solr 7.3 but we should soon update it to 7.5.

Our stable version (R16) relies on Solr 5.3.1

HTH

Jacques


Le 10/10/2018 à 15:18, Shrilesh Korgaonkar a écrit :

thank for your suggestion
i got ur point u got me great idea

Thanks and Regards

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:41 AM Pritam Kute 
wrote:


Hi Shrilesh,

According to the above discussions, I guess you need to implement faceted
search which is nowadays more
popular on the e-commerce sites. [1]

The integration of the Apache Solr in OFBIz is at a very basic level for
now. So, I recommend you to write a custom implementation
for integrating stand-alone Apache Solr and achieving the results you want.
I suggest you
go through the documentation of Apache Solr for digging up more into it.
[2]

Hope this helps you.

[1]:

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/seeleysolrfacetseurocon2011-111021104018-phpapp01/95/the-many-facets-of-apache-solr-yonik-seeley-5-728.jpg?cb=1341583996
[2]: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/resources.html

Thanks and Regards
--
Pritam Kute


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:25 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:


the solution u send that file or plugin is not working . it is not

loading

any data as well as in starting ofbiz it is not responding to my request
i understand u but Can u plz ellobrate

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:27 AM Pritam Kute <

pritam.k...@hotwaxsystems.com

wrote:


Hi Shrilesh,

Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need

to

customize the solution.
You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can

use

stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in

progress

to
integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]

[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042

Thanks and Regards
--
Pritam Kute


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:


Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb

in

case

of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i

want

to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side

using

which one can narrow down what they r looking for

Re: E-Commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

thank pointing out advance search request in code filter

Thanks and Regards

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 3:20 PM Rishi Solanki 
wrote:

> Dear Shrilesh,
> As mentioned by Pritam you need to do customization to match your
> requirement. And what I have suggested will give you basic idea of (if you
> follow the advance search request in code) what services and code used to
> implement. You can further use the same code to filter the search, just
> need to send ajax request instead of using the form.
>
> --
> Rishi Solanki
> Sr Manager, Enterprise Software Development
> HotWax Systems Pvt. Ltd.
> Direct: +91-9893287847
> http://www.hotwaxsystems.com
> www.hotwax.co
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:11 PM Pritam Kute 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shrilesh,
> >
> > According to the above discussions, I guess you need to implement faceted
> > search which is nowadays more
> > popular on the e-commerce sites. [1]
> >
> > The integration of the Apache Solr in OFBIz is at a very basic level for
> > now. So, I recommend you to write a custom implementation
> > for integrating stand-alone Apache Solr and achieving the results you
> want.
> > I suggest you
> > go through the documentation of Apache Solr for digging up more into it.
> > [2]
> >
> > Hope this helps you.
> >
> > [1]:
> >
> >
> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/seeleysolrfacetseurocon2011-111021104018-phpapp01/95/the-many-facets-of-apache-solr-yonik-seeley-5-728.jpg?cb=1341583996
> > [2]: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/resources.html
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> > --
> > Pritam Kute
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:25 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> > shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
> >
> > > the solution u send that file or plugin is not working . it is not
> > loading
> > > any data as well as in starting ofbiz it is not responding to my
> request
> > > i understand u but Can u plz ellobrate
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:27 AM Pritam Kute <
> > pritam.k...@hotwaxsystems.com
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Shrilesh,
> > > >
> > > > Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You
> need
> > > to
> > > > customize the solution.
> > > > You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You
> can
> > > use
> > > > stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in
> > > progress
> > > > to
> > > > integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]
> > > >
> > > > [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042
> > > >
> > > > Thanks and Regards
> > > > --
> > > > Pritam Kute
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> > > > shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb
> > in
> > > > case
> > > > > of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category,
> i
> > > want
> > > > > to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side
> > > using
> > > > > which one can narrow down what they r looking for
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

thank for your suggestion
i got ur point u got me great idea

Thanks and Regards

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 9:41 AM Pritam Kute 
wrote:

> Hi Shrilesh,
>
> According to the above discussions, I guess you need to implement faceted
> search which is nowadays more
> popular on the e-commerce sites. [1]
>
> The integration of the Apache Solr in OFBIz is at a very basic level for
> now. So, I recommend you to write a custom implementation
> for integrating stand-alone Apache Solr and achieving the results you want.
> I suggest you
> go through the documentation of Apache Solr for digging up more into it.
> [2]
>
> Hope this helps you.
>
> [1]:
>
> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/seeleysolrfacetseurocon2011-111021104018-phpapp01/95/the-many-facets-of-apache-solr-yonik-seeley-5-728.jpg?cb=1341583996
> [2]: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/resources.html
>
> Thanks and Regards
> --
> Pritam Kute
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:25 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
>
> > the solution u send that file or plugin is not working . it is not
> loading
> > any data as well as in starting ofbiz it is not responding to my request
> > i understand u but Can u plz ellobrate
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:27 AM Pritam Kute <
> pritam.k...@hotwaxsystems.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Shrilesh,
> > >
> > > Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need
> > to
> > > customize the solution.
> > > You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can
> > use
> > > stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in
> > progress
> > > to
> > > integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]
> > >
> > > [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > > --
> > > Pritam Kute
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> > > shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb
> in
> > > case
> > > > of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i
> > want
> > > > to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side
> > using
> > > > which one can narrow down what they r looking for
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Rishi Solanki]

Dear Shrilesh,
As mentioned by Pritam you need to do customization to match your
requirement. And what I have suggested will give you basic idea of (if you
follow the advance search request in code) what services and code used to
implement. You can further use the same code to filter the search, just
need to send ajax request instead of using the form.

--
Rishi Solanki
Sr Manager, Enterprise Software Development
HotWax Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Direct: +91-9893287847
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 2:11 PM Pritam Kute 
wrote:

> Hi Shrilesh,
>
> According to the above discussions, I guess you need to implement faceted
> search which is nowadays more
> popular on the e-commerce sites. [1]
>
> The integration of the Apache Solr in OFBIz is at a very basic level for
> now. So, I recommend you to write a custom implementation
> for integrating stand-alone Apache Solr and achieving the results you want.
> I suggest you
> go through the documentation of Apache Solr for digging up more into it.
> [2]
>
> Hope this helps you.
>
> [1]:
>
> https://image.slidesharecdn.com/seeleysolrfacetseurocon2011-111021104018-phpapp01/95/the-many-facets-of-apache-solr-yonik-seeley-5-728.jpg?cb=1341583996
> [2]: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/resources.html
>
> Thanks and Regards
> --
> Pritam Kute
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:25 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
>
> > the solution u send that file or plugin is not working . it is not
> loading
> > any data as well as in starting ofbiz it is not responding to my request
> > i understand u but Can u plz ellobrate
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:27 AM Pritam Kute <
> pritam.k...@hotwaxsystems.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Shrilesh,
> > >
> > > Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need
> > to
> > > customize the solution.
> > > You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can
> > use
> > > stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in
> > progress
> > > to
> > > integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]
> > >
> > > [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards
> > > --
> > > Pritam Kute
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> > > shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb
> in
> > > case
> > > > of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i
> > want
> > > > to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side
> > using
> > > > which one can narrow down what they r looking for
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Pritam Kute]

Hi Shrilesh,

According to the above discussions, I guess you need to implement faceted
search which is nowadays more
popular on the e-commerce sites. [1]

The integration of the Apache Solr in OFBIz is at a very basic level for
now. So, I recommend you to write a custom implementation
for integrating stand-alone Apache Solr and achieving the results you want.
I suggest you
go through the documentation of Apache Solr for digging up more into it. [2]

Hope this helps you.

[1]:
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/seeleysolrfacetseurocon2011-111021104018-phpapp01/95/the-many-facets-of-apache-solr-yonik-seeley-5-728.jpg?cb=1341583996
[2]: http://lucene.apache.org/solr/resources.html

Thanks and Regards
--
Pritam Kute


On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:25 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:

> the solution u send that file or plugin is not working . it is not loading
> any data as well as in starting ofbiz it is not responding to my request
> i understand u but Can u plz ellobrate
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:27 AM Pritam Kute  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Shrilesh,
> >
> > Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need
> to
> > customize the solution.
> > You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can
> use
> > stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in
> progress
> > to
> > integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]
> >
> > [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> > --
> > Pritam Kute
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> > shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
> >
> > > Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb in
> > case
> > > of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i
> want
> > > to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side
> using
> > > which one can narrow down what they r looking for
> > >
> >
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

the solution u send that file or plugin is not working . it is not loading
any data as well as in starting ofbiz it is not responding to my request
i understand u but Can u plz ellobrate

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:27 AM Pritam Kute 
wrote:

> Hi Shrilesh,
>
> Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need to
> customize the solution.
> You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can use
> stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in progress
> to
> integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]
>
> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042
>
> Thanks and Regards
> --
> Pritam Kute
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
>
> > Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb in
> case
> > of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i want
> > to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side using
> > which one can narrow down what they r looking for
> >
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

i got that but it in the form of request and custom response , i don't want
that
i need a runtime filter on the page just like the product on e-commerce
websites

Thanks & Regards

On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 2:22 PM Rishi Solanki 
wrote:

> Shrilesh,
> Please refer
> https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/advancedsearch
>
> It will have all basic filters added with basic form. You may need to alter
> this as per your requirements.
>
>
> Regards,
> --
> Rishi Solanki
> Sr Manager, Enterprise Software Development
> HotWax Systems Pvt. Ltd.
> Direct: +91-9893287847
> http://www.hotwaxsystems.com
> www.hotwax.co
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 6:09 PM Shi Jinghai  wrote:
>
> > " E.g. when user searches for something in given category ", I guess it's
> > a frontend javascript filter, right?
> >
> >
> > -邮件原件-
> > 发件人: Pritam Kute [mailto:pritam.k...@hotwaxsystems.com]
> > 发送时间: 2018年10月8日 17:27
> > 收件人: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> > 主题: Re: E-Commerce
> >
> > Hi Shrilesh,
> >
> > Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need
> to
> > customize the solution.
> > You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can
> use
> > stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in
> progress
> > to
> > integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]
> >
> > [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042
> >
> > Thanks and Regards
> > --
> > Pritam Kute
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> > shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
> >
> > > Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb in
> > case
> > > of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i
> want
> > > to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side
> using
> > > which one can narrow down what they r looking for
> > >
> >
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Rishi Solanki]

Shrilesh,
Please refer 
https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/ecommerce/control/advancedsearch

It will have all basic filters added with basic form. You may need to alter
this as per your requirements.


Regards,
--
Rishi Solanki
Sr Manager, Enterprise Software Development
HotWax Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Direct: +91-9893287847
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 6:09 PM Shi Jinghai  wrote:

> " E.g. when user searches for something in given category ", I guess it's
> a frontend javascript filter, right?
>
>
> -邮件原件-
> 发件人: Pritam Kute [mailto:pritam.k...@hotwaxsystems.com]
> 发送时间: 2018年10月8日 17:27
> 收件人: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> 主题: Re: E-Commerce
>
> Hi Shrilesh,
>
> Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need to
> customize the solution.
> You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can use
> stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in progress
> to
> integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]
>
> [1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042
>
> Thanks and Regards
> --
> Pritam Kute
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
> shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:
>
> > Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb in
> case
> > of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i want
> > to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side using
> > which one can narrow down what they r looking for
> >
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Shi Jinghai]

" E.g. when user searches for something in given category ", I guess it's a 
frontend javascript filter, right?


-邮件原件-
发件人: Pritam Kute [mailto:pritam.k...@hotwaxsystems.com] 
发送时间: 2018年10月8日 17:27
收件人: user@ofbiz.apache.org
主题: Re: E-Commerce

Hi Shrilesh,

Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need to
customize the solution.
You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can use
stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in progress
to
integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]

[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042

Thanks and Regards
--
Pritam Kute


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:

> Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb in case
> of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i want
> to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side using
> which one can narrow down what they r looking for
>

Re: E-Commerce

[Pritam Kute]

Hi Shrilesh,

Product filtering is not supported OOTB on e-commerce for now. You need to
customize the solution.
You can use Apache Solr for enhancing the search capabilities. You can use
stand-alone Apache Solr server for this. Currently, the work is in progress
to
integrate Apache Solr in embedded mode in Apache OFBiz. [1]

[1]: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-5042

Thanks and Regards
--
Pritam Kute


On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 1:24 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:

> Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb in case
> of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i want
> to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side using
> which one can narrow down what they r looking for
>

E-Commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

Could you please let me know if product filtering is supported ootb in case
of ofbiz? E.g. when user searches for something in given category, i want
to show not only products but also filtering pane on left hand side using
which one can narrow down what they r looking for

Re: E-commerce

[Nicolas Malin]

hi,

If you component is loaded and you have the widget/Theme.xml file, OFBiz 
load it to use it as potential Theme.


But follow 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/ofbiz-framework/trunk/themes/README.md 
to enable it.


Nicolas

On 25/08/2018 16:57, Girish Vasmatkar wrote:

Not sure if I am following you but I will give it a try.

Did you mean how Theme.xml file is loaded?

Look at OFBIZ_HOME/framework/base/config/component-load.xml and see below
line




It scans all folders under themes folder assuming they are themes.

And then look at org.apache.ofbiz.widget.model.ThemeFactory.java

Code looks for Theme.xml file to load your theme's definitions.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Girish Vasmatkar

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:02 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:


Plugins – e-commerce

How does plugins\ecommerce\widget\Theme.xml

Where it is defined as the theme file

Or it automatically loader with others files which are there in the widget
folder

Re: E-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

 hai all please ignore this message...

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:

> ofbiz ecommerce out-of-the-box pdf
>
> if anybody has that book send plz
>

Re: E-commerce

[Michael Brohl]

This is a commercial book you have to pay for.

Please don't ask for sharing in our mailing lists.

Thanks,

Michael


Am 27.08.18 um 12:06 schrieb Shrilesh Korgaonkar:

ofbiz ecommerce out-of-the-box pdf

if anybody has that book send plz






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Re: e-commerce

[Deepak Dixit]

Hi Shrilesh Korgaonkar,

What you wan to know about this code?
This is freemarker template that generates HTML
https://freemarker.apache.org/

Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit


On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Deepak Dixit 
wrote:

> Hi Shrilesh Korgaonkar,
>
> Your email has been moderated, Please subscribe to the mailing list
> http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Deepak Dixit
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Shrilesh Korgaonkar  udyogmandir.in> wrote:
>
>> came anyone explains this code
>>
>> 
>>
>>   <#list productCategoryList as childCategoryList>
>>
>> <#assign cateCount = 0/>
>>
>> <#list childCategoryList as productCategory>
>>   
>> <#if (cateCount > 2)>
>> <#assign cateCount = 0/>
>> 
>> <#assign productCategoryId = productCategory.productCategor
>> yId/>
>> <#assign categoryImageUrl = "/images/defaultImage.jpg"/>
>> <#assign productCategoryMembers = delegator
>> .findByAnd("ProductCategoryAndMember",
>> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"]
>> .toMap("productCategoryId", productCategoryId),
>>
>> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"].toList("-quantity"),
>> false)/>
>> <#if productCategory.categoryImageUrl?has_content>
>>   <#assign categoryImageUrl = productCategory.categoryImageU
>> rl/>
>>   <#elseif productCategoryMembers?has_content>
>> <#assign productCategoryMember =
>>
>> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.entity.util.EntityUtil"].getFirst(p
>> roductCategoryMembers)/>
>> <#assign product = delegator.findOne("Product",
>> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"]
>> .toMap("productId",
>> productCategoryMember.productId), false)/>
>> <#if product.smallImageUrl?has_content>
>>   <#assign categoryImageUrl = product.smallImageUrl/>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>   > alt="Card image cap"/>
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   ${productCategory.categoryName!productCategoryId}
>> 
>>   
>>   
>> 
>>   <#if productCategoryMembers??>
>> <#assign i = 0/>
>> <#list productCategoryMembers as
>> productCategoryMember>
>>   <#if (i > 2)>
>> <#if productCategoryMembers[i]?has_content>
>>   > href="<@ofbizCatalogAltUrl productCategoryId=productCategoryId/>">
>> More...
>>   
>> 
>> <#break>
>>   
>>   <#if productCategoryMember?has_content>
>> <#assign product =
>> delegator.findOne("Product",
>>
>> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"].toMap("productId",
>> productCategoryMember.productId),
>> false)>
>>   
>> >href="<@ofbizCatalogAltUrl
>> productCategoryId="PROMOTIONS"
>> productId="${product.productId}"/>">
>> ${product.productName!product.productId}
>> 
>>   
>>   
>>   <#assign i = i+1/>
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> 
>>   
>> <#assign cateCount = cateCount + 1/>
>>   
>>   
>>   
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: e-commerce

[Deepak Dixit]

Hi Shrilesh Korgaonkar,

Your email has been moderated, Please subscribe to the mailing list
http://ofbiz.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit


On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:

> came anyone explains this code
>
> 
>
>   <#list productCategoryList as childCategoryList>
>
> <#assign cateCount = 0/>
>
> <#list childCategoryList as productCategory>
>   
> <#if (cateCount > 2)>
> <#assign cateCount = 0/>
> 
> <#assign productCategoryId = productCategory.
> productCategoryId/>
> <#assign categoryImageUrl = "/images/defaultImage.jpg"/>
> <#assign productCategoryMembers = delegator
> .findByAnd("ProductCategoryAndMember",
> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"]
> .toMap("productCategoryId", productCategoryId),
>
> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"].toList("-quantity"),
> false)/>
> <#if productCategory.categoryImageUrl?has_content>
>   <#assign categoryImageUrl = productCategory.
> categoryImageUrl/>
>   <#elseif productCategoryMembers?has_content>
> <#assign productCategoryMember =
>
> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.entity.util.EntityUtil"].getFirst(
> productCategoryMembers)/>
> <#assign product = delegator.findOne("Product",
> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"]
> .toMap("productId",
> productCategoryMember.productId), false)/>
> <#if product.smallImageUrl?has_content>
>   <#assign categoryImageUrl = product.smallImageUrl/>
> 
> 
>
>
>
>   
> 
>alt="Card image cap"/>
> 
> 
>   
> 
>   ${productCategory.categoryName!productCategoryId}
> 
>   
>   
> 
>   <#if productCategoryMembers??>
> <#assign i = 0/>
> <#list productCategoryMembers as
> productCategoryMember>
>   <#if (i > 2)>
> <#if productCategoryMembers[i]?has_content>
>href="<@ofbizCatalogAltUrl productCategoryId=productCategoryId/>">
> More...
>   
> 
> <#break>
>   
>   <#if productCategoryMember?has_content>
> <#assign product = delegator.findOne("Product",
>
> Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"].toMap("productId",
> productCategoryMember.productId),
> false)>
>   
> href="<@ofbizCatalogAltUrl
> productCategoryId="PROMOTIONS"
> productId="${product.productId}"/>">
> ${product.productName!product.productId}
> 
>   
>   
>   <#assign i = i+1/>
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> <#assign cateCount = cateCount + 1/>
>   
>   
>   
> 
>

E-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

ofbiz ecommerce out-of-the-box pdf

if anybody has that book send plz

e-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

came anyone explains this code



  <#list productCategoryList as childCategoryList>

<#assign cateCount = 0/>

<#list childCategoryList as productCategory>
  
<#if (cateCount > 2)>
<#assign cateCount = 0/>

<#assign productCategoryId = productCategory.productCategoryId/>
<#assign categoryImageUrl = "/images/defaultImage.jpg"/>
<#assign productCategoryMembers = delegator
.findByAnd("ProductCategoryAndMember",
Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"]
.toMap("productCategoryId", productCategoryId),

Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"].toList("-quantity"), false)/>
<#if productCategory.categoryImageUrl?has_content>
  <#assign categoryImageUrl = productCategory.categoryImageUrl/>
  <#elseif productCategoryMembers?has_content>
<#assign productCategoryMember =

Static["org.apache.ofbiz.entity.util.EntityUtil"].getFirst(productCategoryMembers)/>
<#assign product = delegator.findOne("Product",
Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"]
.toMap("productId",
productCategoryMember.productId), false)/>
<#if product.smallImageUrl?has_content>
  <#assign categoryImageUrl = product.smallImageUrl/>





  

  


  

  ${productCategory.categoryName!productCategoryId}

  
  

  <#if productCategoryMembers??>
<#assign i = 0/>
<#list productCategoryMembers as
productCategoryMember>
  <#if (i > 2)>
<#if productCategoryMembers[i]?has_content>
  
More...
  

<#break>
  
  <#if productCategoryMember?has_content>
<#assign product = delegator.findOne("Product",

Static["org.apache.ofbiz.base.util.UtilMisc"].toMap("productId",
productCategoryMember.productId),
false)>
  
">
${product.productName!product.productId}

  
  
  <#assign i = i+1/>

  

  

  
<#assign cateCount = cateCount + 1/>
  
  
  

Re: E-commerce

[Girish Vasmatkar]

Not sure if I am following you but I will give it a try.

Did you mean how Theme.xml file is loaded?

Look at OFBIZ_HOME/framework/base/config/component-load.xml and see below
line




It scans all folders under themes folder assuming they are themes.

And then look at org.apache.ofbiz.widget.model.ThemeFactory.java

Code looks for Theme.xml file to load your theme's definitions.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Girish Vasmatkar

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 3:02 PM Shrilesh Korgaonkar <
shrilesh.korgaon...@udyogmandir.in> wrote:

> Plugins – e-commerce
>
> How does plugins\ecommerce\widget\Theme.xml
>
> Where it is defined as the theme file
>
> Or it automatically loader with others files which are there in the widget
> folder
>

E-commerce

[Shrilesh Korgaonkar]

Plugins – e-commerce

How does plugins\ecommerce\widget\Theme.xml

Where it is defined as the theme file

Or it automatically loader with others files which are there in the widget
folder

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Jacques Le Roux]

Sorry for the duplicate Thunderbird was playing with my nerves today :/


Le 25/09/2017 à 16:41, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :



Le 25/09/2017 à 16:40, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

Thanks Kenneth,

Looks good to me

Jacques


Le 25/09/2017 à 15:59, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :

Hello -

There may be other similar setups, like Pattern Lab, this is just one I
have some familiarity with. But I think the concept is the more important
part, as this would help build a documentation library for front-end
developers to use when putting together the front-end of an eCommerce site.
Brad wrote a book
<http://atomicdesign.bradfrost.com/table-of-contents/> on atomic
design that helps explain the concept, and how it can be beneficial in both
designers and developers.

I can't say all the impact using PHP or Node.js would have on the project,
other than those working to build the library would need to be familiar
with it  (I'm more familiar with PHP). Those using the library as a
reference wouldn't have any impact at all, as they would view the library
as a webpage, and be able to grab the code snippets they need. I believe
code snippets could still be in FTL, but would also provide the HTML output
that the front-end developers can use when working to create the CSS.

Thanks,
Kenneth

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:42 AM Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:


Hi Kenneth,

First I want to thank you for your work with Sharan on the new website.

It would be really great if you could be more involved in OFBiz
development!

Pattern Lab looks promising, what would be the impact of using PHP or
node.js for us?

Also it's said that "Pattern Lab will always be free and open source" but
I could not find the license,  any ideas?
https://www.google.fr/search?q=site%3Apatternlab.io+license=UTF-8
  https://github.com/search?q=org%3Apattern-lab+license

It should not be a problem if we don't need to commit any Pattern Lab
files in our repo, and only use it as a tool, so just curious

Ah, I see MIT at https://www.npmjs.com/package/patternlab-node anyway. So
I guess it's all that, right?

Looking forward :)

Jacques


Le 25/09/2017 à 15:16, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :

Hello all -

+1 on Bootstrap integration to the eCommerce code. I also feel that
creating a pattern library, similar to the what Brad Frost developed
<http://patternlab.io/>, would be very helpful to front end developers

like

me, and would hopefully allow for us to create several different theming
options for the community to use OOTB.

Please let me know how I can help and become more involved in these

efforts.

Thanks,
Kenneth Paskett

*Kenneth Paskett* | Web Developer
HotWax Commerce <http://www.hotwax.co/> by HotWax Systems
<http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
136 S main street, A200, salt lake city, utah 84101
main: 877.736.4080 ext. 405 <(877)%20736-4080> <(877)%20736-4080>

HotWax Systems recently received 8 mentions in *The Gartner Digital
Commerce Vendor Guide, 2016 *by Gartner, Inc., the world's leading IT
research and advisory company. Learn more about our research here
<

https://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/newsletters/HotWax/1-2UVLP6M/index.html

.
<http://www.hotwax.co/>


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:32 AM Deepak Dixit <

deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com>

wrote:


Thanks Taher.
I agree with you, I'll keep your points in mind while review.



Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
slidingfilame...@gmail.com

wrote:
H, all good points Deepak. I will try to explain my point of view
more thoroughly.

Essentially there are only certain locations in the ecommerce
component that require bling bling and fancy UI, and even some of
those can be done through Macros for the benefit of using them
elsewhere in the framework. So perhaps maybe we should think of the
items below in implementing what is proposed in this thread:
- If the feature is easy and straight forward, then the widget
implementation can be pure.
- If the feature is difficult, then it depends:
    - is it worth introducing in other components? If yes, it's better
to enhance the widget system by having XML translation to freemarker
macros
    - is it specific to the e-commerce component and not reusable
elsewhere? Then yeah fine drop down to  and do
your thing

The above approach might give us some advantages like:
- Reducing complexity: As it stands, I find the e-commerce component
to be one of the most challenging components to maintain and develop
because of the handcrafted interface
- Reuse: If we are apply the implementation through macros then we can
reuse everything in themes which means other components gain value
automatically.
- Reducing fragmentation: Having e-commerce behave one way and other
components behave another way is an added layer of complexity that can
be avoided if we work at the underlying widget i

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Jacques Le Roux]

Le 25/09/2017 à 16:40, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

Thanks Kenneth,

Looks good to me

Jacques


Le 25/09/2017 à 15:59, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :

Hello -

There may be other similar setups, like Pattern Lab, this is just one I
have some familiarity with. But I think the concept is the more important
part, as this would help build a documentation library for front-end
developers to use when putting together the front-end of an eCommerce site.
Brad wrote a book
<http://atomicdesign.bradfrost.com/table-of-contents/> on atomic
design that helps explain the concept, and how it can be beneficial in both
designers and developers.

I can't say all the impact using PHP or Node.js would have on the project,
other than those working to build the library would need to be familiar
with it  (I'm more familiar with PHP). Those using the library as a
reference wouldn't have any impact at all, as they would view the library
as a webpage, and be able to grab the code snippets they need. I believe
code snippets could still be in FTL, but would also provide the HTML output
that the front-end developers can use when working to create the CSS.

Thanks,
Kenneth

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:42 AM Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:


Hi Kenneth,

First I want to thank you for your work with Sharan on the new website.

It would be really great if you could be more involved in OFBiz
development!

Pattern Lab looks promising, what would be the impact of using PHP or
node.js for us?

Also it's said that "Pattern Lab will always be free and open source" but
I could not find the license,  any ideas?
https://www.google.fr/search?q=site%3Apatternlab.io+license=UTF-8
  https://github.com/search?q=org%3Apattern-lab+license

It should not be a problem if we don't need to commit any Pattern Lab
files in our repo, and only use it as a tool, so just curious

Ah, I see MIT at https://www.npmjs.com/package/patternlab-node anyway. So
I guess it's all that, right?

Looking forward :)

Jacques


Le 25/09/2017 à 15:16, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :

Hello all -

+1 on Bootstrap integration to the eCommerce code. I also feel that
creating a pattern library, similar to the what Brad Frost developed
<http://patternlab.io/>, would be very helpful to front end developers

like

me, and would hopefully allow for us to create several different theming
options for the community to use OOTB.

Please let me know how I can help and become more involved in these

efforts.

Thanks,
Kenneth Paskett

*Kenneth Paskett* | Web Developer
HotWax Commerce <http://www.hotwax.co/> by HotWax Systems
<http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
136 S main street, A200, salt lake city, utah 84101
main: 877.736.4080 ext. 405 <(877)%20736-4080> <(877)%20736-4080>

HotWax Systems recently received 8 mentions in *The Gartner Digital
Commerce Vendor Guide, 2016 *by Gartner, Inc., the world's leading IT
research and advisory company. Learn more about our research here
<

https://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/newsletters/HotWax/1-2UVLP6M/index.html

.
<http://www.hotwax.co/>


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:32 AM Deepak Dixit <

deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com>

wrote:


Thanks Taher.
I agree with you, I'll keep your points in mind while review.



Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
slidingfilame...@gmail.com

wrote:
H, all good points Deepak. I will try to explain my point of view
more thoroughly.

Essentially there are only certain locations in the ecommerce
component that require bling bling and fancy UI, and even some of
those can be done through Macros for the benefit of using them
elsewhere in the framework. So perhaps maybe we should think of the
items below in implementing what is proposed in this thread:
- If the feature is easy and straight forward, then the widget
implementation can be pure.
- If the feature is difficult, then it depends:
    - is it worth introducing in other components? If yes, it's better
to enhance the widget system by having XML translation to freemarker
macros
    - is it specific to the e-commerce component and not reusable
elsewhere? Then yeah fine drop down to  and do
your thing

The above approach might give us some advantages like:
- Reducing complexity: As it stands, I find the e-commerce component
to be one of the most challenging components to maintain and develop
because of the handcrafted interface
- Reuse: If we are apply the implementation through macros then we can
reuse everything in themes which means other components gain value
automatically.
- Reducing fragmentation: Having e-commerce behave one way and other
components behave another way is an added layer of complexity that can
be avoided if we work at the underlying widget infrastructure level.

Overall, good initiative. I'm always attracted first and foremost to
DRY so whenever people make suggestions for

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Jacques Le Roux]

Thanks Kenneth,

Looks good to me

Jacques


Le 25/09/2017 à 15:59, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :

Hello -

There may be other similar setups, like Pattern Lab, this is just one I
have some familiarity with. But I think the concept is the more important
part, as this would help build a documentation library for front-end
developers to use when putting together the front-end of an eCommerce site.
Brad wrote a book
<http://atomicdesign.bradfrost.com/table-of-contents/> on atomic
design that helps explain the concept, and how it can be beneficial in both
designers and developers.

I can't say all the impact using PHP or Node.js would have on the project,
other than those working to build the library would need to be familiar
with it  (I'm more familiar with PHP). Those using the library as a
reference wouldn't have any impact at all, as they would view the library
as a webpage, and be able to grab the code snippets they need. I believe
code snippets could still be in FTL, but would also provide the HTML output
that the front-end developers can use when working to create the CSS.

Thanks,
Kenneth

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:42 AM Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:


Hi Kenneth,

First I want to thank you for your work with Sharan on the new website.

It would be really great if you could be more involved in OFBiz
development!

Pattern Lab looks promising, what would be the impact of using PHP or
node.js for us?

Also it's said that "Pattern Lab will always be free and open source" but
I could not find the license,  any ideas?
https://www.google.fr/search?q=site%3Apatternlab.io+license=UTF-8
  https://github.com/search?q=org%3Apattern-lab+license

It should not be a problem if we don't need to commit any Pattern Lab
files in our repo, and only use it as a tool, so just curious

Ah, I see MIT at https://www.npmjs.com/package/patternlab-node anyway. So
I guess it's all that, right?

Looking forward :)

Jacques


Le 25/09/2017 à 15:16, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :

Hello all -

+1 on Bootstrap integration to the eCommerce code. I also feel that
creating a pattern library, similar to the what Brad Frost developed
<http://patternlab.io/>, would be very helpful to front end developers

like

me, and would hopefully allow for us to create several different theming
options for the community to use OOTB.

Please let me know how I can help and become more involved in these

efforts.

Thanks,
Kenneth Paskett

*Kenneth Paskett* | Web Developer
HotWax Commerce <http://www.hotwax.co/> by HotWax Systems
<http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
136 S main street, A200, salt lake city, utah 84101
main: 877.736.4080 ext. 405 <(877)%20736-4080> <(877)%20736-4080>

HotWax Systems recently received 8 mentions in *The Gartner Digital
Commerce Vendor Guide, 2016 *by Gartner, Inc., the world's leading IT
research and advisory company. Learn more about our research here
<

https://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/newsletters/HotWax/1-2UVLP6M/index.html

.
<http://www.hotwax.co/>


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:32 AM Deepak Dixit <

deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com>

wrote:


Thanks Taher.
I agree with you, I'll keep your points in mind while review.



Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
slidingfilame...@gmail.com

wrote:
H, all good points Deepak. I will try to explain my point of view
more thoroughly.

Essentially there are only certain locations in the ecommerce
component that require bling bling and fancy UI, and even some of
those can be done through Macros for the benefit of using them
elsewhere in the framework. So perhaps maybe we should think of the
items below in implementing what is proposed in this thread:
- If the feature is easy and straight forward, then the widget
implementation can be pure.
- If the feature is difficult, then it depends:
- is it worth introducing in other components? If yes, it's better
to enhance the widget system by having XML translation to freemarker
macros
- is it specific to the e-commerce component and not reusable
elsewhere? Then yeah fine drop down to  and do
your thing

The above approach might give us some advantages like:
- Reducing complexity: As it stands, I find the e-commerce component
to be one of the most challenging components to maintain and develop
because of the handcrafted interface
- Reuse: If we are apply the implementation through macros then we can
reuse everything in themes which means other components gain value
automatically.
- Reducing fragmentation: Having e-commerce behave one way and other
components behave another way is an added layer of complexity that can
be avoided if we work at the underlying widget infrastructure level.

Overall, good initiative. I'm always attracted first and foremost to
DRY so whenever people make suggestions for improvement the automatic
first thought in my 

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Kenneth Paskett]

Hello -

There may be other similar setups, like Pattern Lab, this is just one I
have some familiarity with. But I think the concept is the more important
part, as this would help build a documentation library for front-end
developers to use when putting together the front-end of an eCommerce site.
Brad wrote a book
<http://atomicdesign.bradfrost.com/table-of-contents/> on atomic
design that helps explain the concept, and how it can be beneficial in both
designers and developers.

I can't say all the impact using PHP or Node.js would have on the project,
other than those working to build the library would need to be familiar
with it  (I'm more familiar with PHP). Those using the library as a
reference wouldn't have any impact at all, as they would view the library
as a webpage, and be able to grab the code snippets they need. I believe
code snippets could still be in FTL, but would also provide the HTML output
that the front-end developers can use when working to create the CSS.

Thanks,
Kenneth

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:42 AM Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

> Hi Kenneth,
>
> First I want to thank you for your work with Sharan on the new website.
>
> It would be really great if you could be more involved in OFBiz
> development!
>
> Pattern Lab looks promising, what would be the impact of using PHP or
> node.js for us?
>
> Also it's said that "Pattern Lab will always be free and open source" but
> I could not find the license,  any ideas?
> https://www.google.fr/search?q=site%3Apatternlab.io+license=UTF-8
>  https://github.com/search?q=org%3Apattern-lab+license
>
> It should not be a problem if we don't need to commit any Pattern Lab
> files in our repo, and only use it as a tool, so just curious
>
> Ah, I see MIT at https://www.npmjs.com/package/patternlab-node anyway. So
> I guess it's all that, right?
>
> Looking forward :)
>
> Jacques
>
>
> Le 25/09/2017 à 15:16, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :
> > Hello all -
> >
> > +1 on Bootstrap integration to the eCommerce code. I also feel that
> > creating a pattern library, similar to the what Brad Frost developed
> > <http://patternlab.io/>, would be very helpful to front end developers
> like
> > me, and would hopefully allow for us to create several different theming
> > options for the community to use OOTB.
> >
> > Please let me know how I can help and become more involved in these
> efforts.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kenneth Paskett
> >
> > *Kenneth Paskett* | Web Developer
> > HotWax Commerce <http://www.hotwax.co/> by HotWax Systems
> > <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
> > 136 S main street, A200, salt lake city, utah 84101
> > main: 877.736.4080 ext. 405 <(877)%20736-4080> <(877)%20736-4080>
> >
> > HotWax Systems recently received 8 mentions in *The Gartner Digital
> > Commerce Vendor Guide, 2016 *by Gartner, Inc., the world's leading IT
> > research and advisory company. Learn more about our research here
> > <
> https://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/newsletters/HotWax/1-2UVLP6M/index.html
> >
> > .
> > <http://www.hotwax.co/>
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:32 AM Deepak Dixit <
> deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Taher.
> >> I agree with you, I'll keep your points in mind while review.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks & Regards
> >> --
> >> Deepak Dixit
> >> www.hotwaxsystems.com
> >> www.hotwax.co
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
> >> slidingfilame...@gmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>> H, all good points Deepak. I will try to explain my point of view
> >>> more thoroughly.
> >>>
> >>> Essentially there are only certain locations in the ecommerce
> >>> component that require bling bling and fancy UI, and even some of
> >>> those can be done through Macros for the benefit of using them
> >>> elsewhere in the framework. So perhaps maybe we should think of the
> >>> items below in implementing what is proposed in this thread:
> >>> - If the feature is easy and straight forward, then the widget
> >>> implementation can be pure.
> >>> - If the feature is difficult, then it depends:
> >>>- is it worth introducing in other components? If yes, it's better
> >>> to enhance the widget system by having XML translation to freemarker
> >>> macros
> >>>- is it specific to the e-commerce component and not reusable
> >>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Kenneth,

First I want to thank you for your work with Sharan on the new website.

It would be really great if you could be more involved in OFBiz development!

Pattern Lab looks promising, what would be the impact of using PHP or node.js 
for us?

Also it's said that "Pattern Lab will always be free and open source" but I 
could not find the license,  any ideas?
https://www.google.fr/search?q=site%3Apatternlab.io+license=UTF-8
    https://github.com/search?q=org%3Apattern-lab+license

It should not be a problem if we don't need to commit any Pattern Lab files in 
our repo, and only use it as a tool, so just curious

Ah, I see MIT at https://www.npmjs.com/package/patternlab-node anyway. So I 
guess it's all that, right?

Looking forward :)

Jacques


Le 25/09/2017 à 15:16, Kenneth Paskett a écrit :

Hello all -

+1 on Bootstrap integration to the eCommerce code. I also feel that
creating a pattern library, similar to the what Brad Frost developed
<http://patternlab.io/>, would be very helpful to front end developers like
me, and would hopefully allow for us to create several different theming
options for the community to use OOTB.

Please let me know how I can help and become more involved in these efforts.

Thanks,
Kenneth Paskett

*Kenneth Paskett* | Web Developer
HotWax Commerce <http://www.hotwax.co/> by HotWax Systems
<http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
136 S main street, A200, salt lake city, utah 84101
main: 877.736.4080 ext. 405 <(877)%20736-4080>

HotWax Systems recently received 8 mentions in *The Gartner Digital
Commerce Vendor Guide, 2016 *by Gartner, Inc., the world's leading IT
research and advisory company. Learn more about our research here
<https://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/newsletters/HotWax/1-2UVLP6M/index.html>
.
<http://www.hotwax.co/>


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:32 AM Deepak Dixit <deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com>
wrote:


Thanks Taher.
I agree with you, I'll keep your points in mind while review.



Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
slidingfilame...@gmail.com

wrote:
H, all good points Deepak. I will try to explain my point of view
more thoroughly.

Essentially there are only certain locations in the ecommerce
component that require bling bling and fancy UI, and even some of
those can be done through Macros for the benefit of using them
elsewhere in the framework. So perhaps maybe we should think of the
items below in implementing what is proposed in this thread:
- If the feature is easy and straight forward, then the widget
implementation can be pure.
- If the feature is difficult, then it depends:
   - is it worth introducing in other components? If yes, it's better
to enhance the widget system by having XML translation to freemarker
macros
   - is it specific to the e-commerce component and not reusable
elsewhere? Then yeah fine drop down to  and do
your thing

The above approach might give us some advantages like:
- Reducing complexity: As it stands, I find the e-commerce component
to be one of the most challenging components to maintain and develop
because of the handcrafted interface
- Reuse: If we are apply the implementation through macros then we can
reuse everything in themes which means other components gain value
automatically.
- Reducing fragmentation: Having e-commerce behave one way and other
components behave another way is an added layer of complexity that can
be avoided if we work at the underlying widget infrastructure level.

Overall, good initiative. I'm always attracted first and foremost to
DRY so whenever people make suggestions for improvement the automatic
first thought in my mind is ... well how can we unify that everywhere.

Cheers

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Deepak Dixit
<deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

Hi Taher,

Here we are talking about ecommerce, and ecommerce website should be

fancy

and user friendly. To achieve this developer/designer should have free

hand

to design this.

Its hard to customize ecommerce using form widget, developer should

have

freedom to design ecommerce UX as per need.


Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Taher Alkhateeb
<slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote:

I believe an attempt like this should be architectually constrained to

the

themes only especially given our recent changes. So work here should

be

on

the FTL macros level in themes, not in widgets in the ecommerce

component.

This would probably be the cleanest solution IMHO.

On Sep 23, 2017 11:53 AM, "Nitish Mishra"
<nitish.mis...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

Nice Idea Mayank,

We can firstly move forward with integrating bootstrap framework for
e-commerce website and later we can proceed with UI improvements and
markup
changes.

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Deepak Dixit &l

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Kenneth Paskett]

Hello all -

+1 on Bootstrap integration to the eCommerce code. I also feel that
creating a pattern library, similar to the what Brad Frost developed
<http://patternlab.io/>, would be very helpful to front end developers like
me, and would hopefully allow for us to create several different theming
options for the community to use OOTB.

Please let me know how I can help and become more involved in these efforts.

Thanks,
Kenneth Paskett

*Kenneth Paskett* | Web Developer
HotWax Commerce <http://www.hotwax.co/> by HotWax Systems
<http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
136 S main street, A200, salt lake city, utah 84101
main: 877.736.4080 ext. 405 <(877)%20736-4080>

HotWax Systems recently received 8 mentions in *The Gartner Digital
Commerce Vendor Guide, 2016 *by Gartner, Inc., the world's leading IT
research and advisory company. Learn more about our research here
<https://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/newsletters/HotWax/1-2UVLP6M/index.html>
.
<http://www.hotwax.co/>


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:32 AM Deepak Dixit <deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Taher.
> I agree with you, I'll keep your points in mind while review.
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Deepak Dixit
> www.hotwaxsystems.com
> www.hotwax.co
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
> slidingfilame...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > H, all good points Deepak. I will try to explain my point of view
> > more thoroughly.
> >
> > Essentially there are only certain locations in the ecommerce
> > component that require bling bling and fancy UI, and even some of
> > those can be done through Macros for the benefit of using them
> > elsewhere in the framework. So perhaps maybe we should think of the
> > items below in implementing what is proposed in this thread:
> > - If the feature is easy and straight forward, then the widget
> > implementation can be pure.
> > - If the feature is difficult, then it depends:
> >   - is it worth introducing in other components? If yes, it's better
> > to enhance the widget system by having XML translation to freemarker
> > macros
> >   - is it specific to the e-commerce component and not reusable
> > elsewhere? Then yeah fine drop down to  and do
> > your thing
> >
> > The above approach might give us some advantages like:
> > - Reducing complexity: As it stands, I find the e-commerce component
> > to be one of the most challenging components to maintain and develop
> > because of the handcrafted interface
> > - Reuse: If we are apply the implementation through macros then we can
> > reuse everything in themes which means other components gain value
> > automatically.
> > - Reducing fragmentation: Having e-commerce behave one way and other
> > components behave another way is an added layer of complexity that can
> > be avoided if we work at the underlying widget infrastructure level.
> >
> > Overall, good initiative. I'm always attracted first and foremost to
> > DRY so whenever people make suggestions for improvement the automatic
> > first thought in my mind is ... well how can we unify that everywhere.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Deepak Dixit
> > <deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Taher,
> > >
> > > Here we are talking about ecommerce, and ecommerce website should be
> > fancy
> > > and user friendly. To achieve this developer/designer should have free
> > hand
> > > to design this.
> > >
> > > Its hard to customize ecommerce using form widget, developer should
> have
> > > freedom to design ecommerce UX as per need.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks & Regards
> > > --
> > > Deepak Dixit
> > > www.hotwaxsystems.com
> > > www.hotwax.co
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Taher Alkhateeb
> > > <slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I believe an attempt like this should be architectually constrained to
> > the
> > >> themes only especially given our recent changes. So work here should
> be
> > on
> > >> the FTL macros level in themes, not in widgets in the ecommerce
> > component.
> > >> This would probably be the cleanest solution IMHO.
> > >>
> > >> On Sep 23, 2017 11:53 AM, "Nitish Mishra"
> > >> <nitish.mis...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Nice Idea Mayank,
> > >>
> > >> We can firstly move forward with integrating bootstrap framework for

Re: E-Commerce

[Rishi Solanki]

Some quick references;

- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Features
- https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/E-commerce+16.11
-
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide




Rishi Solanki
Sr Manager, Enterprise Software Development
HotWax Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Direct: +91-9893287847
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Saverio Scavelli <
saverio.scave...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm new to ofbiz and I'm mainly interested in E commerce. I would like to
> build a platform
> similar to amazon (to give the idea). I'm primarily a java and  front-end
> developer.
>
> I've had and overview of ofbiz creating some selling product and catalogs
> and payments, but
> I'm not really sure of what I'm doing. What I'm ´missing is a step by step
> tutorials/HOWTOS
> Especially in E-commerce and what can I achieve using out of the box
> functionality.
>
> Could someone give me some advice and point me to the right resources to
> achieve my goal?
>
> Many Thks.
>
> Xaver
>

E-Commerce

[Saverio Scavelli]

Hi everyone,

I'm new to ofbiz and I'm mainly interested in E commerce. I would like to
build a platform
similar to amazon (to give the idea). I'm primarily a java and  front-end
developer.

I've had and overview of ofbiz creating some selling product and catalogs
and payments, but
I'm not really sure of what I'm doing. What I'm ´missing is a step by step
tutorials/HOWTOS
Especially in E-commerce and what can I achieve using out of the box
functionality.

Could someone give me some advice and point me to the right resources to
achieve my goal?

Many Thks.

Xaver

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Deepak Dixit]

Thanks Taher.
I agree with you, I'll keep your points in mind while review.



Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <slidingfilame...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> H, all good points Deepak. I will try to explain my point of view
> more thoroughly.
>
> Essentially there are only certain locations in the ecommerce
> component that require bling bling and fancy UI, and even some of
> those can be done through Macros for the benefit of using them
> elsewhere in the framework. So perhaps maybe we should think of the
> items below in implementing what is proposed in this thread:
> - If the feature is easy and straight forward, then the widget
> implementation can be pure.
> - If the feature is difficult, then it depends:
>   - is it worth introducing in other components? If yes, it's better
> to enhance the widget system by having XML translation to freemarker
> macros
>   - is it specific to the e-commerce component and not reusable
> elsewhere? Then yeah fine drop down to  and do
> your thing
>
> The above approach might give us some advantages like:
> - Reducing complexity: As it stands, I find the e-commerce component
> to be one of the most challenging components to maintain and develop
> because of the handcrafted interface
> - Reuse: If we are apply the implementation through macros then we can
> reuse everything in themes which means other components gain value
> automatically.
> - Reducing fragmentation: Having e-commerce behave one way and other
> components behave another way is an added layer of complexity that can
> be avoided if we work at the underlying widget infrastructure level.
>
> Overall, good initiative. I'm always attracted first and foremost to
> DRY so whenever people make suggestions for improvement the automatic
> first thought in my mind is ... well how can we unify that everywhere.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Deepak Dixit
> <deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> > Hi Taher,
> >
> > Here we are talking about ecommerce, and ecommerce website should be
> fancy
> > and user friendly. To achieve this developer/designer should have free
> hand
> > to design this.
> >
> > Its hard to customize ecommerce using form widget, developer should have
> > freedom to design ecommerce UX as per need.
> >
> >
> > Thanks & Regards
> > --
> > Deepak Dixit
> > www.hotwaxsystems.com
> > www.hotwax.co
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Taher Alkhateeb
> > <slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I believe an attempt like this should be architectually constrained to
> the
> >> themes only especially given our recent changes. So work here should be
> on
> >> the FTL macros level in themes, not in widgets in the ecommerce
> component.
> >> This would probably be the cleanest solution IMHO.
> >>
> >> On Sep 23, 2017 11:53 AM, "Nitish Mishra"
> >> <nitish.mis...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nice Idea Mayank,
> >>
> >> We can firstly move forward with integrating bootstrap framework for
> >> e-commerce website and later we can proceed with UI improvements and
> >> markup
> >> changes.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Deepak Dixit <
> >> deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Nice Idea Mayank,
> >> >
> >> > I started markup cleanup effort for ecommerce long time ago, I did
> some
> >> > cleanup, Its good idea to change ecommerce markup and used bootstrap
> >> > defined ux pattern.
> >> >
> >> > It will allow us to create fancy demo ecommerce application. I think
> we
> >> > need to add some extra css to add bootstrap feel for form widget
> >> > generated
> >> > markup for ecommrece.
> >> >
> >> > +1 from my side and I'll be available for discussion and
> co-ordination.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks & Regards
> >> > --
> >> > Deepak Dixit
> >> > www.hotwaxsystems.com
> >> > www.hotwax.co
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Mayank Lambhate <mayank.lambhate@
> >> > hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello,
> >> >>
> >> >> The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for
> >> >> the
> >> >> UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI
> would
> >> >> be
> >> >> more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the
> >> >> markup
> >> >> accordingly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let us know your thoughts.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks and regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> *Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
> >> >> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> *Thanks and Regards*
> >>
> >> *Nitish Mishra* | Enterprise Software Engineer
> >> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Saurabh Dixit]

Hello,

I think this is a good idea. We can start the bootstrap integration to the
e-commerce.

I have created the ticket for the same. Below is the link,
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-9760

Best,

Saurabh Dixit
Enterprise Software Engineer
HotWax Systems


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Deepak Dixit <
deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

> Hi Taher,
>
> Here we are talking about ecommerce, and ecommerce website should be fancy
> and user friendly. To achieve this developer/designer should have free hand
> to design this.
>
> Its hard to customize ecommerce using form widget, developer should have
> freedom to design ecommerce UX as per need.
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Deepak Dixit
> www.hotwaxsystems.com
> www.hotwax.co
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <
> slidingfilame...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I believe an attempt like this should be architectually constrained to
>> the themes only especially given our recent changes. So work here should be
>> on the FTL macros level in themes, not in widgets in the ecommerce
>> component. This would probably be the cleanest solution IMHO.
>>
>> On Sep 23, 2017 11:53 AM, "Nitish Mishra" <nitish.mishra@hotwaxsystems.c
>> om> wrote:
>>
>> Nice Idea Mayank,
>>
>> We can firstly move forward with integrating bootstrap framework for
>> e-commerce website and later we can proceed with UI improvements and
>> markup
>> changes.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Deepak Dixit <
>> deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Nice Idea Mayank,
>> >
>> > I started markup cleanup effort for ecommerce long time ago, I did some
>> > cleanup, Its good idea to change ecommerce markup and used bootstrap
>> > defined ux pattern.
>> >
>> > It will allow us to create fancy demo ecommerce application. I think we
>> > need to add some extra css to add bootstrap feel for form widget
>> generated
>> > markup for ecommrece.
>> >
>> > +1 from my side and I'll be available for discussion and co-ordination.
>> >
>> > Thanks & Regards
>> > --
>> > Deepak Dixit
>> > www.hotwaxsystems.com
>> > www.hotwax.co
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Mayank Lambhate <mayank.lambhate@
>> > hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for
>> the
>> >> UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI
>> would be
>> >> more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the
>> >> markup
>> >> accordingly.
>> >>
>> >> Let us know your thoughts.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks and regards,
>> >>
>> >> *Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
>> >> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> *Thanks and Regards*
>>
>> *Nitish Mishra* | Enterprise Software Engineer
>> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Deepak Dixit]

Hi Taher,

Here we are talking about ecommerce, and ecommerce website should be fancy
and user friendly. To achieve this developer/designer should have free hand
to design this.

Its hard to customize ecommerce using form widget, developer should have
freedom to design ecommerce UX as per need.


Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Taher Alkhateeb <slidingfilame...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> I believe an attempt like this should be architectually constrained to the
> themes only especially given our recent changes. So work here should be on
> the FTL macros level in themes, not in widgets in the ecommerce component.
> This would probably be the cleanest solution IMHO.
>
> On Sep 23, 2017 11:53 AM, "Nitish Mishra" <nitish.mis...@hotwaxsystems.com>
> wrote:
>
> Nice Idea Mayank,
>
> We can firstly move forward with integrating bootstrap framework for
> e-commerce website and later we can proceed with UI improvements and markup
> changes.
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Deepak Dixit <
> deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > Nice Idea Mayank,
> >
> > I started markup cleanup effort for ecommerce long time ago, I did some
> > cleanup, Its good idea to change ecommerce markup and used bootstrap
> > defined ux pattern.
> >
> > It will allow us to create fancy demo ecommerce application. I think we
> > need to add some extra css to add bootstrap feel for form widget
> generated
> > markup for ecommrece.
> >
> > +1 from my side and I'll be available for discussion and co-ordination.
> >
> > Thanks & Regards
> > --
> > Deepak Dixit
> > www.hotwaxsystems.com
> > www.hotwax.co
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Mayank Lambhate <mayank.lambhate@
> > hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for
> the
> >> UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI would
> be
> >> more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the
> >> markup
> >> accordingly.
> >>
> >> Let us know your thoughts.
> >>
> >> Thanks and regards,
> >>
> >> *Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
> >> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
> *Thanks and Regards*
>
> *Nitish Mishra* | Enterprise Software Engineer
> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
>
>
>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Taher Alkhateeb]

I believe an attempt like this should be architectually constrained to the
themes only especially given our recent changes. So work here should be on
the FTL macros level in themes, not in widgets in the ecommerce component.
This would probably be the cleanest solution IMHO.

On Sep 23, 2017 11:53 AM, "Nitish Mishra" <nitish.mis...@hotwaxsystems.com>
wrote:

Nice Idea Mayank,

We can firstly move forward with integrating bootstrap framework for
e-commerce website and later we can proceed with UI improvements and markup
changes.

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Deepak Dixit <
deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

> Nice Idea Mayank,
>
> I started markup cleanup effort for ecommerce long time ago, I did some
> cleanup, Its good idea to change ecommerce markup and used bootstrap
> defined ux pattern.
>
> It will allow us to create fancy demo ecommerce application. I think we
> need to add some extra css to add bootstrap feel for form widget generated
> markup for ecommrece.
>
> +1 from my side and I'll be available for discussion and co-ordination.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Deepak Dixit
> www.hotwaxsystems.com
> www.hotwax.co
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Mayank Lambhate <mayank.lambhate@
> hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for the
>> UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI would
be
>> more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the
>> markup
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Let us know your thoughts.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> *Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
>> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
>>
>
>


--


*Thanks and Regards*

*Nitish Mishra* | Enterprise Software Engineer
HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Rishi Solanki]

Older conversation reference on similar topic and approve many changes with
bootstrap by community;

http://ofbiz.markmail.org/search/?q=Ecommerce%20Portal%20Enhancement

+1 and I'm up for any help required.



Rishi Solanki
Sr Manager, Enterprise Software Development
HotWax Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Direct: +91-9893287847
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Deepak Dixit <
deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

> Nice Idea Mayank,
>
> I started markup cleanup effort for ecommerce long time ago, I did some
> cleanup, Its good idea to change ecommerce markup and used bootstrap
> defined ux pattern.
>
> It will allow us to create fancy demo ecommerce application. I think we
> need to add some extra css to add bootstrap feel for form widget generated
> markup for ecommrece.
>
> +1 from my side and I'll be available for discussion and co-ordination.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Deepak Dixit
> www.hotwaxsystems.com
> www.hotwax.co
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Mayank Lambhate <
> mayank.lambh...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for the
> > UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI would
> be
> > more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the
> markup
> > accordingly.
> >
> > Let us know your thoughts.
> >
> > Thanks and regards,
> >
> > *Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
> > HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
> >
>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Nitish Mishra]

Nice Idea Mayank,

We can firstly move forward with integrating bootstrap framework for
e-commerce website and later we can proceed with UI improvements and markup
changes.

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Deepak Dixit <
deepak.di...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

> Nice Idea Mayank,
>
> I started markup cleanup effort for ecommerce long time ago, I did some
> cleanup, Its good idea to change ecommerce markup and used bootstrap
> defined ux pattern.
>
> It will allow us to create fancy demo ecommerce application. I think we
> need to add some extra css to add bootstrap feel for form widget generated
> markup for ecommrece.
>
> +1 from my side and I'll be available for discussion and co-ordination.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> --
> Deepak Dixit
> www.hotwaxsystems.com
> www.hotwax.co
>
> On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Mayank Lambhate <mayank.lambhate@
> hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for the
>> UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI would be
>> more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the
>> markup
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Let us know your thoughts.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> *Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
>> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
>>
>
>


-- 


*Thanks and Regards*

*Nitish Mishra* | Enterprise Software Engineer
HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Deepak Dixit]

Nice Idea Mayank,

I started markup cleanup effort for ecommerce long time ago, I did some
cleanup, Its good idea to change ecommerce markup and used bootstrap
defined ux pattern.

It will allow us to create fancy demo ecommerce application. I think we
need to add some extra css to add bootstrap feel for form widget generated
markup for ecommrece.

+1 from my side and I'll be available for discussion and co-ordination.

Thanks & Regards
--
Deepak Dixit
www.hotwaxsystems.com
www.hotwax.co

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Mayank Lambhate <
mayank.lambh...@hotwaxsystems.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for the
> UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI would be
> more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the markup
> accordingly.
>
> Let us know your thoughts.
>
> Thanks and regards,
>
> *Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
> HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>
>

Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Blockfreight™ | Julian Smith]

Attn: *OFBiz All*
Re: *Bootstrap for OFBiz*

Hi All,

Further to our discussion,

I am 1000% in support of moving to Bootstrap.

   - Please ask me to help.

   - Currently working on Bitcoin support.

I look forward to your advice.

Kind Regards,

Julian Smith
Founder, CEO
Blockfreight™ 
[ BFT:XCP  ]

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Re: Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Jacques Le Roux]

+1, with hopefully next a Foundation one, to compare the difficulty and the 
result ;)

Jacques


Le 23/09/2017 à 10:38, Mayank Lambhate a écrit :

Hello,

The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for the
UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI would be
more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the markup
accordingly.

Let us know your thoughts.

Thanks and regards,

*Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>

Using Bootstrap Framework for E-Commerce Website

[Mayank Lambhate]

Hello,

The E-Commerce website in OFBiz currently contains custom styling for the
UI. We are planning to use the bootstrap framework so that the UI would be
more arranged and user-friendly. Also, we would require changing the markup
accordingly.

Let us know your thoughts.

Thanks and regards,

*Mayank Lambhate* | Enterprise Software Engineer
HotWax Systems <http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/>

Re: Release 13.07 Demo Front End E-Commerce Store link not accessible

[Lalit Dashora]

Thanks, Jacques Le Roux

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

> Done
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 16/09/2017 à 10:02, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :
>
>> Hi Lalit,
>>
>> This is the right URL which was used by the previous version of our site
>>
>> http://ofbiz-vm2.apache.org:28080/ecommerce/control/main
>>
>> You can't mix HTTPS and 28080 port
>>
>> We need to change the URL on our new site
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>
>> Le 16/09/2017 à 08:27, Lalit Dashora a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I was going through the new website and found that the Front End
>>> e-commerce
>>> store link is not accessible of Release 13.07 - Demo
>>> https://ofbiz.apache.org/ofbiz-demos.html
>>>
>>> The link <https://ofbiz-vm2.apache.org:28080/ecommerce/control/main> is
>>> accessible on http port but not on https port.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Lalit Dashora
Enterprise Software Engineer

Hotwax Systems

Re: Release 13.07 Demo Front End E-Commerce Store link not accessible

[Jacques Le Roux]

Done

Jacques


Le 16/09/2017 à 10:02, Jacques Le Roux a écrit :

Hi Lalit,

This is the right URL which was used by the previous version of our site

http://ofbiz-vm2.apache.org:28080/ecommerce/control/main

You can't mix HTTPS and 28080 port

We need to change the URL on our new site

Jacques


Le 16/09/2017 à 08:27, Lalit Dashora a écrit :

Hi,

I was going through the new website and found that the Front End e-commerce
store link is not accessible of Release 13.07 - Demo
https://ofbiz.apache.org/ofbiz-demos.html

The link <https://ofbiz-vm2.apache.org:28080/ecommerce/control/main> is
accessible on http port but not on https port.


Best Regards,

Re: Release 13.07 Demo Front End E-Commerce Store link not accessible

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Lalit,

This is the right URL which was used by the previous version of our site

http://ofbiz-vm2.apache.org:28080/ecommerce/control/main

You can't mix HTTPS and 28080 port

We need to change the URL on our new site

Jacques


Le 16/09/2017 à 08:27, Lalit Dashora a écrit :

Hi,

I was going through the new website and found that the Front End e-commerce
store link is not accessible of Release 13.07 - Demo
https://ofbiz.apache.org/ofbiz-demos.html

The link <https://ofbiz-vm2.apache.org:28080/ecommerce/control/main> is
accessible on http port but not on https port.


Best Regards,

Release 13.07 Demo Front End E-Commerce Store link not accessible

[Lalit Dashora]

Hi,

I was going through the new website and found that the Front End e-commerce
store link is not accessible of Release 13.07 - Demo
https://ofbiz.apache.org/ofbiz-demos.html

The link <https://ofbiz-vm2.apache.org:28080/ecommerce/control/main> is
accessible on http port but not on https port.


Best Regards,
-- 
Lalit Dashora

Re: Last content feature on OFBiz E-commerce

[Aditya Sharma]

Hi Priya,

As per my exploration this has been designed to list the last content
> visited by the user. But as this functionality is not currently functional
> on any of the releases & I am in doubt about the actual behavior of this
> feature.
>

It's functional and works when content viewed using "viewcontent" page.

If your doubt is "How it works?"

   - On clicking any "content" from "Browse Content" section of the left
   panel, it will open "showcontenttree" page.
   - Click on search button, it will open "searchContent" page
   - When clicking on any contentId link, it opens viewcontent page.
   - "Last Content" section lists those pages rendered through
   "viewcontent" page



Please help me in understanding how to make it functional.
>


I guess going with "How it is implemented?" may make it more clear

   - When a content is accessed through "viewcontent" page, *MruAdd.groovy*
   executes which sets a *map*   "*lookupCaches*" as a *session* attribute.
   - "*lookupCaches*" Map has key as entityName ("
   ContentAssocDataResourceViewFrom") and its value a LifoSet having
   GenericValue records of Content accessed.
   - "Last Content" section is rendered with "recentlyviewed" screen,
   *Mrv.groovy* extracts this list from session & puts it into context as
   "mrvList" which is rendered on recentlyviewed.ftl




Thanks & Regards,
Aditya Sharma
Enterprise Software Engineer
HotWax Systems Pvt. Ltd.
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/

  <https://www.linkedin.com/in/aditya-sharma-78291810a/>

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Jacques Le Roux <
jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote:

> Hi Priya,
>
> I guess the question is: do you/we really need it in ecommerce context?
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
> Le 28/04/2017 à 07:00, Priya Sharma a écrit :
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am working on OFBiz 14.12 though I tried it on other releases too.
>>
>> On the e-commerce page whenever a user selects a content from the Browse
>> Content section, the section "Last content" (similar to Last Products)
>> should be visible on the right hand side panel but this doesn't happen.
>>
>> As per my exploration this has been designed to list the last content
>> visited by the user. But as this functionality is not currently functional
>> on any of the releases & I am in doubt about the actual behavior of this
>> feature.
>>
>> E-commerce page always includes---Screen
>> component://ecommerce/widget/ContentScreens.xml#recentlyviewed on the
>> right
>> bar of the page but its seems that it never gets any data to render.
>>
>> Please help me in understanding how to make it functional.
>>
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Priya Sharma
>> Hotwax Systems
>> http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/
>>
>>
>

Re: Last content feature on OFBiz E-commerce

[Jacques Le Roux]

Hi Priya,

I guess the question is: do you/we really need it in ecommerce context?

Jacques


Le 28/04/2017 à 07:00, Priya Sharma a écrit :

Hello All,

I am working on OFBiz 14.12 though I tried it on other releases too.

On the e-commerce page whenever a user selects a content from the Browse
Content section, the section "Last content" (similar to Last Products)
should be visible on the right hand side panel but this doesn't happen.

As per my exploration this has been designed to list the last content
visited by the user. But as this functionality is not currently functional
on any of the releases & I am in doubt about the actual behavior of this
feature.

E-commerce page always includes---Screen
component://ecommerce/widget/ContentScreens.xml#recentlyviewed on the right
bar of the page but its seems that it never gets any data to render.

Please help me in understanding how to make it functional.

Thanks & Regards,
Priya Sharma
Hotwax Systems
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/

Last content feature on OFBiz E-commerce

[Priya Sharma]

Hello All,

I am working on OFBiz 14.12 though I tried it on other releases too.

On the e-commerce page whenever a user selects a content from the Browse
Content section, the section "Last content" (similar to Last Products)
should be visible on the right hand side panel but this doesn't happen.

As per my exploration this has been designed to list the last content
visited by the user. But as this functionality is not currently functional
on any of the releases & I am in doubt about the actual behavior of this
feature.

E-commerce page always includes---Screen
component://ecommerce/widget/ContentScreens.xml#recentlyviewed on the right
bar of the page but its seems that it never gets any data to render.

Please help me in understanding how to make it functional.

Thanks & Regards,
Priya Sharma
Hotwax Systems
http://www.hotwaxsystems.com/

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Shi Jinghai]

As it's mentioned in other threads, you can trim OFBiz to make a product
to compete with Apple education (iTune U more exactly). You don't have
to spend 4 years, 2 years is enough.



在 2010-09-05日的 10:29 +0300，Vadim Eisenberg写道：
 Hi Shi Jinghai,
 
 We considered other open-source e-commerce solutions such as osCommerce 
 http://www.oscommerce.com/, but it is licensed under GPL. We cannot use 
 GPL/LGPL code in our project. So the advantage of OfBiz is its Apache 
 license. We are unaware of other open source e-commerce solutions that are 
 not licensed under GPL/LGPL.
 
 Best Regards,
 Vadim
 ---
 Vadim Eisenberg
 IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
 IBM Research - Haifa
  
 
 Shi Jinghai sh...@langhua.cn wrote on 05/09/2010 01:26:44 AM:
 
  From:
  
  Shi Jinghai sh...@langhua.cn
  
  To:
  
  user@ofbiz.apache.org
  
  Date:
  
  05/09/2010 01:27 AM
  
  Subject:
  
  Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
  
  It seems your strategy is very clear: you need a set of UI for free and
  will sell your middle ware in the future. If so, I guess OFBiz will not
  be your choice.
  
  
  在 2010-09-04六的 11:02 +0300，Vadim Eisenberg写道：
   Hi David,
   
   Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the 
 formatting 
   for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.
   
   You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that 
 responses
   you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be 
 sure 
   of for those responding
   is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many 
   people respond with something
   consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the 
 information, 
   but usually not otherwise.
   
   I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing 
 code 
   to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still 
 would 
   like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the 
   trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to 
 thank BJ 
   again for providing his opinions.
   
   Please note that the project I participate in, is a kind of Research 
 and 
   Development project, sponsored by EU and implemented by a consortium 
 of 
   academic and industrial partners. The project is planned for four 
 years 
   (ending in January 2014). One of its goals is to create an open source 
 
   implementation of an e-commerce solution - uStore, suited for the 
 field of 
   AAL - Ambient Assisted Living (that is a kind of smart home for 
 senior 
   citizens). The main concept of uStore is similar to the concept of 
   AppStore of Apple ? the AAL application developers would be able to 
 upload 
   and sell their applications from the store. In addition to that, AAL 
   related devices and human services would be sold. An additional 
 important 
   feature is to integrate social commerce ? user reviews, blogs, 
 forums 
   etc.
   
   Please note that developing uStore is Research and Development and 
 there 
   are not yet concrete AAL businesses that would immediately use it. The 
 
   goal is to provide some reference open source implementation in four 
   years. This implementation would be later supported and extended by an 
 
   open-source community according to the business needs of AAL 
 businesses, 
   once some real AAL businesses would use it. One of the goals is to 
 reuse 
   the existing open-source OOTB solutions in any field as much as 
 possible 
   in order to save resources as much as possible.
   
   As a result of the situation, the accent here is more on e-commerce 
   features of existing e-commerce solutions, especially related to the 
   e-commerce frontend, than on their ERP features. We would like to use 
 the 
   simplest and the most straightforward standard business model 
 (preferably 
   OOTB) for e-commerce and invest more resources into the frontend 
 features. 
   By the frontend features I mean the website, its accessibility, 
 including 
   presentation on smart phones, search, recommendations, user reviews, 
 blogs 
   and forums etc. As I understand the strength of OfBiz is actually its 
 rich 
   ERP data model, however here we probably do not need the advanced ERP 
   features of OfBiz.
   
   I have read your HEMP Light document ? it was interesting and provided 
 
   some insights for me. Currently we are in process of finalizing the 
 use 
   cases/requirements of the uStore and evaluating existing e-commerce 
   solutions, with OfBiz being one of the main candidates.
   
   Thanks  Regards,
   Vadim
   
   ---
   Vadim Eisenberg
   IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
   IBM Research - Haifa
   
   
   David E Jones d...@me.com wrote on 03/09/2010 10:00:38 PM:
   
From:

David E Jones d...@me.com

To:

user@ofbiz.apache.org

Date:

03/09/2010 10:01 PM

Subject:

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

BJ, Hans, Bruno,

Thank you for your ideas and clarifications. I wonder, however, why the 
general application framework of OfBiz could be better than other Java EE 
open-source frameworks, such as Spring or JBoss ?  I guess the real 
strength of OfBiz are its ERP applications, but I doubt if the whole gamut 
of ERP applications could be used in AAL. Could application framework of 
OfBiz compete with open source frameworks such as Spring or JBoss ? 

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa
 

Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote on 05/09/2010 04:30:01 PM:

 From:
 
 Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com
 
 To:
 
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
 Date:
 
 05/09/2010 04:31 PM
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 Yes, the idea is to distribute the framework with some basic 
applications
 that allows to manage parties and contents.
 On top of that, specific applications (even not ERP) can be build by the
 user.
 The custom application can leverage all the features the framework 
offers.
 
 Right now the specialpurpose directory with all contained applications 
can
 easily be removed from an installation so that all related db tables are 
not
 created.
 On the contrary, it is not possible to eliminate all the applications
 contained in the Applications directory because the framework depends 
on
 them.
 We are working to eliminate those dependencies so that only used
 applications could be installed or even none of them.
 
 -Bruno
 
 2010/9/5 Vadim Eisenberg vad...@il.ibm.com
 
  Hi Bruno,
 
  Do you mean that the framework could be (in the future) used as a 
general
  SOA architecture for running applications, not necessary ERP related ?
 
  Best Regards,
  Vadim
  ---
  Vadim Eisenberg
  IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
  IBM Research - Haifa
 
 
 
 
  From:
  Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com
  To:
  user@ofbiz.apache.org
  Date:
  05/09/2010 03:06 PM
  Subject:
  Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 
 
  Yes, Vadim, consider also that there is an in-progress work aimed to
  better
  separate the framework from the higher level applications.
  This will let users like you use the power of the framework with just 
the
  part they need of the higher applications.
  -Bruno
 
  2010/9/5 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net
 
   I want to expand the conversation about using Ofbiz not just 
Ecommerce.
   First let start by thinking that everything is a system, living is a
   system.
   Everything we do is a bunch of black boxes with input and outputs, 
with
  the
   processes to deal with the input and create the output.
   To address ERP, we all in our lives, implement resource planning, 
some
   better than others.
   An example is meal planning. Though most do this second nature from 
a
  lot
   of experience, it can also be model in software.
   So how does resource-planning work in the home? From the Power used 
to
  do
   things like cooking, heating, to house repair is all resource 
planning.
   The “E” part simply defines the max scope of the software to handle 
such
   activities.
  
   Most of your specs  for a “requirements Engine” is resources 
planning.
   The end Goal is do we have the necessary resources to do something.
   One of those resources is Cash. For seniors this is paramount if 
they
  are
   on a fixed income. Resource planning and creating a budget is 
something
   Ofbiz can do with some added customization or expanding the current
  system.
  
   Have you thought to use Ofbiz to develop the requirements of you AAL
   project?
   Use the Project manager will give you feel for what I mean.
  
   So lets talk about Ofbiz.
   You have a framework that already does a lot, you specify a entity 
and
  its
   relationship then with just a few commands you have that available 
for
  the
   Screenlet.
   Layered on top of the framework is the Application that are generic 
to
  most
   of living but is primarily focused on business.
  
   Then you have the specific layer like Ecommerce and manufacturing.
   Now don’t discount manufacturing since that is what you do in the
  kitchen
   as recipes.
  
   I am serious when I say David is Architect a comprehensive system 
that
  can
   used in every aspect of our lives.
  
   So I would suggest:
   1)Download Ofbiz and run it in Localhost  mode as a desktop to use 
the
   project manager and get feel for what it does.
   2)Put it on a server so others in you group can do projects and 
tasks.
  
  
   =
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   Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
   http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
   Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
   Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
  
   Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
  
  
  
   Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/5/2010 12:01 AM:
  
  
Hi BJ

Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

short answer is implementation time, coding and maintenance effort.

you talk about bloat, OO is very bloaty(sorry could not resist)

here is a scenario:
when you define an entity
ofbiz updates the Database automatically (does not add or delete columns).
when doing CRUD operation no coding is necessary.
when adding services the minilanq save many Java operation and maintenance.
you define a screen and the entity is updated, you don't have go back to 
the screen and modify screen.


Also ofbiz as it stands is ERP capable, however I have some 50 
applications that cover many different businesses models (education, 
food industry, film industry, Farming, flower shops, charters, airline 
ticketing, legal, to name a few). I have disabled many features of ofbiz 
since they are not needed.
Hans has in the Trunk, a Travel/reservation  demo. This does not use the 
ERP as such.


The one short coming of ofbiz is the backend UI, it is not user friendly 
or intuitive. There is an ongoing process to fix this.


I resolved this by using SWT that is linked to ofbiz.


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Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

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Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/6/2010 9:08 AM:

BJ, Hans, Bruno,

Thank you for your ideas and clarifications. I wonder, however, why the
general application framework of OfBiz could be better than other Java EE
open-source frameworks, such as Spring or JBoss ?  I guess the real
strength of OfBiz are its ERP applications, but I doubt if the whole gamut
of ERP applications could be used in AAL. Could application framework of
OfBiz compete with open source frameworks such as Spring or JBoss ?

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa


Bruno Buscobruno.bu...@gmail.com  wrote on 05/09/2010 04:30:01 PM:


From:

Bruno Buscobruno.bu...@gmail.com

To:

user@ofbiz.apache.org

Date:

05/09/2010 04:31 PM

Subject:

Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization

Yes, the idea is to distribute the framework with some basic

applications

that allows to manage parties and contents.
On top of that, specific applications (even not ERP) can be build by the
user.
The custom application can leverage all the features the framework

offers.


Right now the specialpurpose directory with all contained applications

can

easily be removed from an installation so that all related db tables are

not

created.
On the contrary, it is not possible to eliminate all the applications
contained in the Applications directory because the framework depends

on

them.
We are working to eliminate those dependencies so that only used
applications could be installed or even none of them.

-Bruno

2010/9/5 Vadim Eisenbergvad...@il.ibm.com


Hi Bruno,

Do you mean that the framework could be (in the future) used as a

general

SOA architecture for running applications, not necessary ERP related ?

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa




From:
Bruno Buscobruno.bu...@gmail.com
To:
user@ofbiz.apache.org
Date:
05/09/2010 03:06 PM
Subject:
Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization



Yes, Vadim, consider also that there is an in-progress work aimed to
better
separate the framework from the higher level applications.
This will let users like you use the power of the framework with just

the

part they need of the higher applications.
-Bruno

2010/9/5 BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net


I want to expand the conversation about using Ofbiz not just

Ecommerce.

First let start by thinking that everything is a system, living is a
system.
Everything we do is a bunch of black boxes with input and outputs,

with

the

processes to deal with the input and create the output.
To address ERP, we all in our lives, implement resource planning,

some

better than others.
An example is meal planning. Though most do this second nature from

a

lot

of experience, it can also be model in software.
So how does resource-planning work in the home? From the Power used

to

do

things like cooking, heating, to house repair is all resource

planning.

The “E” part simply defines the max scope of the software to handle

such

activities.

Most of your specs  for a “requirements Engine” is resources

planning.

The end Goal is do we have the necessary resources to do something.
One of those resources is Cash. For seniors this is paramount if

they

are

on a fixed income. Resource planning and creating a budget is

something

Ofbiz can do with some added customization or expanding the current

system.


Have you thought to use Ofbiz to develop the requirements of you AAL
project?
Use the Project manager will give you feel for what I mean.

So

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

Hi BJ,

It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the core 
platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will 
consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it could 
be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for 
applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of 
unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The 
idea is definitely interesting, though.

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa


BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:

 From:
 
 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net
 
 To:
 
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
 Date:
 
 04/09/2010 04:38 PM
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz 
 Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.
 Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the 
framework.
 So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
 Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about 
 page 393.
 You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
 There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only 
 data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be developed.
 
 My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded applications.
 in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed air 

 and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time proximity 
 sensors were all that was available.
 
 I say this because of your focus.
 Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such, 
 using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful.
 
 so here is something you may not have considered. Ofbiz as the Home 
 automation with in the home.
 Ofbiz has a sync capability used in the POS that could be used to sync 
 the ofbiz running in the home with the main website.
 This way each person would have their own personalize themes for their 
home.
 this would be an embedded Linux server with touch screen. it is all 
 enclosed.
 you would use the network that automatically connects to other network 
 nodes and builds an Intranet in the home. this allows for other systems 
 to interact with ofbiz.
 
 The Framework of ofbiz has the ability to run schedule services. the 
 scripts for the services can be modified without re-compiling or 
 restarting ofbiz, though the actual service defs do require a restart if 

 changed or added. this is being worked on so the home system can be 
 updated on the fly.
 
 There is also a Setup component that can be added to for new components.
 
 needless to say I very sold on ofbiz and what it can do.
 it does though, as David said have places that need to fleshed out.
 
 =
 
 BJ Freeman
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  http://
 www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
 Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
 
 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
 
 Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/4/2010 1:02 AM:
 
  Hi David,
 
  Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the 
formatting
  for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.
 
  You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that 
responses
  you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be 
sure
  of for those responding
  is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many
  people respond with something
  consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the 
information,
  but usually not otherwise.
 
  I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing 
code
  to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still 
would
  like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the
  trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to 
thank BJ
  again for providing his opinions.
 
  Please note that the project I participate in, is a kind of Research 
and
  Development project, sponsored by EU and implemented by a consortium 
of
  academic and industrial partners. The project is planned for four 
years
  (ending in January 2014). One of its goals is to create an open source
  implementation of an e-commerce solution - uStore, suited for the 
field of
  AAL - Ambient Assisted Living (that is a kind of smart home for 
senior
  citizens). The main concept of uStore is similar to the concept of
  AppStore of Apple ? the AAL application developers would be able to 
upload
  and sell their applications from the store. In addition to that, AAL
  related devices and human services would be sold. An additional 
important
  feature is to integrate social commerce ? user reviews, blogs, 
forums
  etc.
 
  Please note that developing uStore

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

Hi Divesh,

Thank you for your detailed answer. By recommendation engine I meant, 
similarly to search engine, the module for producing recommendations for 
a customer. I think you understood me right and OfBiz has the needed 
capabilities.

Regarding subcontracting/consulting - please see my reply to David: 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-user/201009.mbox/%3cof668df42d.37d20ff5-onc2257794.002b8492-c2257794.002c2...@il.ibm.com%3e
 
.

The project I participate in is a long-term (four years) Research  
Development project, developed by several partners from academic 
institutions/industry. One of the goals is to save funds by re-using 
existing solutions. I understand what you mean, but I guess 
subcontracting/consulting is out of question here. If we choose OfBiz as a 
base for our e-commerce solution, we would have four years to work with 
OfBiz and become proficient in it.

I hope that if we would choose the OfBiz option, we probably could 
contribute the features we develop back to OfBiz/ to the OOTB features of 
OfBiz.

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa
 

Divesh Dutta divesh.du...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote on 04/09/2010 10:38:12 
PM:

 From:
 
 Divesh Dutta divesh.du...@hotwaxmedia.com
 
 To:
 
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
 Cc:
 
 Divesh Dutta divesh.du...@hotwaxmedia.com
 
 Date:
 
 04/09/2010 10:40 PM
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 Hello Vadim,
 
 Please see my comments inline. 
 
 On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Vadim Eisenberg wrote:
 
  
  Hello OfBiz developers,
  
  My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the
  UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium 
European
  project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services 
and
  devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home 
for
  senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software 
developers
  - have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore
  http://universaal.org/index.php?
 option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
  . This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and 
devices
  for Ambient Assisted Living.
  
  We consider using OfBiz for implementation of uStore.
 
 Thats great idea.
 
 
  
  I would like to ask you several questions about the features we want 
to
  implement. I would be glad to hear any information you can tell me 
about
  how hard could it be for us to implement these features. Please note 
that
  we have no prior experience with OfBiz.
 
 +1 for David's word here:
 
 OFBiz is a large project. A good developer can learn to work 
 effectively with the framework with a couple of weeks of training 
 and a couple of months of hands-on development. However, even a good
 developer will have a hard time picking up all of the data 
 structures and business logic even after many months of study, and 
 realistically since most people don't or can't do that, it usually 
 takes years of work experience and even then they'll only have 
 knowledge of the parts of the system that have had the opportunity 
 to work with.
 
 So if you start learning OFBiz by your self and try to get things 
 implement your self (without consulting experienced OFBiz 
 developer), I think it would take more time instead of saving your time. 

 
 
  
  Any your thoughts, intuition, experience, advice about OfBiz/business
  programming are welcome.
  
  In particular, the following information would help us very much :
How much work should be done by us in order to implement all the
features that follow (Person/Months, Person/Years, for skilled OfBiz
developers/general software engineers). Which part would be to use
existing extension mechanisms of OfBiz and which part would be
actually changing the OfBiz code ? Here your intuition/experience 
from
related projects is welcome, we do not need exact numbers, just a
ballpark.
How much time the general software developers have to learn about 
OfBiz
and how skilled in OfBiz  they should become in order to implement 
these
features
  
 E-commerce website features:
Using e-commerce site for selling software (such as AppStore of 
iPhone)
and downloadable files in general (video, presentations of courses
etc.). Here the issue is to manage links where the bought files 
could be
downloaded. The idea is to prevent a situation in which buyers would 
buy
a software application, receive a link to it for downloading and 
share
the link afterwards with anybody they want, so anybody would be able 
to
download the application without paying for it.
Using e-commerce site for selling services (human services and 
others)
Extending e-commerce site with general widgets, such as calendar, 
clock,
map, a widget for downloading files, etc., and integrating the 
widgets
with the OfBiz
  
 
 Selling digital products

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

Hi Shi Jinghai,

We considered other open-source e-commerce solutions such as osCommerce 
http://www.oscommerce.com/, but it is licensed under GPL. We cannot use 
GPL/LGPL code in our project. So the advantage of OfBiz is its Apache 
license. We are unaware of other open source e-commerce solutions that are 
not licensed under GPL/LGPL.

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa
 

Shi Jinghai sh...@langhua.cn wrote on 05/09/2010 01:26:44 AM:

 From:
 
 Shi Jinghai sh...@langhua.cn
 
 To:
 
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
 Date:
 
 05/09/2010 01:27 AM
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 It seems your strategy is very clear: you need a set of UI for free and
 will sell your middle ware in the future. If so, I guess OFBiz will not
 be your choice.
 
 
 在 2010-09-04六的 11:02 +0300，Vadim Eisenberg写道：
  Hi David,
  
  Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the 
formatting 
  for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.
  
  You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that 
responses
  you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be 
sure 
  of for those responding
  is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many 
  people respond with something
  consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the 
information, 
  but usually not otherwise.
  
  I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing 
code 
  to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still 
would 
  like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the 
  trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to 
thank BJ 
  again for providing his opinions.
  
  Please note that the project I participate in, is a kind of Research 
and 
  Development project, sponsored by EU and implemented by a consortium 
of 
  academic and industrial partners. The project is planned for four 
years 
  (ending in January 2014). One of its goals is to create an open source 

  implementation of an e-commerce solution - uStore, suited for the 
field of 
  AAL - Ambient Assisted Living (that is a kind of smart home for 
senior 
  citizens). The main concept of uStore is similar to the concept of 
  AppStore of Apple ? the AAL application developers would be able to 
upload 
  and sell their applications from the store. In addition to that, AAL 
  related devices and human services would be sold. An additional 
important 
  feature is to integrate social commerce ? user reviews, blogs, 
forums 
  etc.
  
  Please note that developing uStore is Research and Development and 
there 
  are not yet concrete AAL businesses that would immediately use it. The 

  goal is to provide some reference open source implementation in four 
  years. This implementation would be later supported and extended by an 

  open-source community according to the business needs of AAL 
businesses, 
  once some real AAL businesses would use it. One of the goals is to 
reuse 
  the existing open-source OOTB solutions in any field as much as 
possible 
  in order to save resources as much as possible.
  
  As a result of the situation, the accent here is more on e-commerce 
  features of existing e-commerce solutions, especially related to the 
  e-commerce frontend, than on their ERP features. We would like to use 
the 
  simplest and the most straightforward standard business model 
(preferably 
  OOTB) for e-commerce and invest more resources into the frontend 
features. 
  By the frontend features I mean the website, its accessibility, 
including 
  presentation on smart phones, search, recommendations, user reviews, 
blogs 
  and forums etc. As I understand the strength of OfBiz is actually its 
rich 
  ERP data model, however here we probably do not need the advanced ERP 
  features of OfBiz.
  
  I have read your HEMP Light document ? it was interesting and provided 

  some insights for me. Currently we are in process of finalizing the 
use 
  cases/requirements of the uStore and evaluating existing e-commerce 
  solutions, with OfBiz being one of the main candidates.
  
  Thanks  Regards,
  Vadim
  
  ---
  Vadim Eisenberg
  IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
  IBM Research - Haifa
  
  
  David E Jones d...@me.com wrote on 03/09/2010 10:00:38 PM:
  
   From:
   
   David E Jones d...@me.com
   
   To:
   
   user@ofbiz.apache.org
   
   Date:
   
   03/09/2010 10:01 PM
   
   Subject:
   
   Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
   
   
   Vadim,
   
   About your formatting: this mailing list filters out all HTML 
   because HTML email messages tend to be VERY large and the Apache 
   Software Foundation in general has many thousands of messages going 
   through mailing lists every day.
   
   Back to your original question: when asking questions here please 
   keep in mind that responses you get

Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

I want to expand the conversation about using Ofbiz not just Ecommerce.
First let start by thinking that everything is a system, living is a system.
Everything we do is a bunch of black boxes with input and outputs, with 
the processes to deal with the input and create the output.
To address ERP, we all in our lives, implement resource planning, some 
better than others.
An example is meal planning. Though most do this second nature from a 
lot of experience, it can also be model in software.
So how does resource-planning work in the home? From the Power used to 
do things like cooking, heating, to house repair is all resource planning.
The “E” part simply defines the max scope of the software to handle such 
activities.


Most of your specs  for a “requirements Engine” is resources planning.
The end Goal is do we have the necessary resources to do something.
One of those resources is Cash. For seniors this is paramount if they 
are on a fixed income. Resource planning and creating a budget is 
something Ofbiz can do with some added customization or expanding the 
current system.


Have you thought to use Ofbiz to develop the requirements of you AAL 
project?

Use the Project manager will give you feel for what I mean.

So lets talk about Ofbiz.
You have a framework that already does a lot, you specify a entity and 
its relationship then with just a few commands you have that available 
for the Screenlet.
Layered on top of the framework is the Application that are generic to 
most of living but is primarily focused on business.


Then you have the specific layer like Ecommerce and manufacturing.
Now don’t discount manufacturing since that is what you do in the 
kitchen as recipes.


I am serious when I say David is Architect a comprehensive system that 
can used in every aspect of our lives.


So I would suggest:
1)Download Ofbiz and run it in Localhost  mode as a desktop to use the 
project manager and get feel for what it does.

2)Put it on a server so others in you group can do projects and tasks.


=
BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man



Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/5/2010 12:01 AM:



Hi BJ,

It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the core
platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will
consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it could
be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for
applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of
unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The
idea is definitely interesting, though.

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa


BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:


From:

BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net

To:

user@ofbiz.apache.org

Date:

04/09/2010 04:38 PM

Subject:

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz
Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.
Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the

framework.

So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about
page 393.
You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only
data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be developed.

My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded applications.
in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed air



and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time proximity
sensors were all that was available.

I say this because of your focus.
Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such,
using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful.

so here is something you may not have considered. Ofbiz as the Home
automation with in the home.
Ofbiz has a sync capability used in the POS that could be used to sync
the ofbiz running in the home with the main website.
This way each person would have their own personalize themes for their

home.

this would be an embedded Linux server with touch screen. it is all
enclosed.
you would use the network that automatically connects to other network
nodes and builds an Intranet in the home. this allows for other systems
to interact with ofbiz.

The Framework of ofbiz has the ability to run schedule services. the
scripts for the services can be modified without re-compiling or
restarting ofbiz, though the actual service defs do require a restart if



changed or added. this is being worked on so the home system can

Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Bruno Busco]

Yes, Vadim, consider also that there is an in-progress work aimed to better
separate the framework from the higher level applications.
This will let users like you use the power of the framework with just the
part they need of the higher applications.
-Bruno

2010/9/5 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net

 I want to expand the conversation about using Ofbiz not just Ecommerce.
 First let start by thinking that everything is a system, living is a
 system.
 Everything we do is a bunch of black boxes with input and outputs, with the
 processes to deal with the input and create the output.
 To address ERP, we all in our lives, implement resource planning, some
 better than others.
 An example is meal planning. Though most do this second nature from a lot
 of experience, it can also be model in software.
 So how does resource-planning work in the home? From the Power used to do
 things like cooking, heating, to house repair is all resource planning.
 The “E” part simply defines the max scope of the software to handle such
 activities.

 Most of your specs  for a “requirements Engine” is resources planning.
 The end Goal is do we have the necessary resources to do something.
 One of those resources is Cash. For seniors this is paramount if they are
 on a fixed income. Resource planning and creating a budget is something
 Ofbiz can do with some added customization or expanding the current system.

 Have you thought to use Ofbiz to develop the requirements of you AAL
 project?
 Use the Project manager will give you feel for what I mean.

 So lets talk about Ofbiz.
 You have a framework that already does a lot, you specify a entity and its
 relationship then with just a few commands you have that available for the
 Screenlet.
 Layered on top of the framework is the Application that are generic to most
 of living but is primarily focused on business.

 Then you have the specific layer like Ecommerce and manufacturing.
 Now don’t discount manufacturing since that is what you do in the kitchen
 as recipes.

 I am serious when I say David is Architect a comprehensive system that can
 used in every aspect of our lives.

 So I would suggest:
 1)Download Ofbiz and run it in Localhost  mode as a desktop to use the
 project manager and get feel for what it does.
 2)Put it on a server so others in you group can do projects and tasks.


 =
 BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
 http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
 Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man



 Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/5/2010 12:01 AM:


  Hi BJ,

 It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the core
 platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will
 consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it could
 be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for
 applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of
 unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The
 idea is definitely interesting, though.

 Best Regards,
 Vadim
 ---
 Vadim Eisenberg
 IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
 IBM Research - Haifa


 BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:

  From:

 BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net

 To:

 user@ofbiz.apache.org

 Date:

 04/09/2010 04:38 PM

 Subject:

 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

 one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz
 Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.
 Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the

 framework.

 So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
 Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about
 page 393.
 You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
 There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only
 data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be developed.

 My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded applications.
 in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed air


  and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time proximity
 sensors were all that was available.

 I say this because of your focus.
 Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such,
 using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful.

 so here is something you may not have considered. Ofbiz as the Home
 automation with in the home.
 Ofbiz has a sync capability used in the POS that could be used to sync
 the ofbiz running in the home with the main website.
 This way each person would have their own personalize themes for their

 home.

 this would be an embedded Linux server with touch screen. it is all
 enclosed.
 you would use the network that automatically connects to other network

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Hans Bakker]

Hi Vadim,

I support BJ completely on his. OFbiz can be the basis of a complete
system where you have more than 95% what you need for an AAL.

To give you an example, we just implemented a scrum component in the
OFBiz system. We just needed to add a few fields, all entities were
already there including services and some screens. We just needed to
create specific security  with related screens and forms.

System to big? A simple Ofbiz system runs on a standard laptop with
500Mb memory.

Regards,
Hans

-- 
Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.


On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 10:01 +0300, Vadim Eisenberg wrote:
 Hi BJ,
 
 It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the core 
 platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will 
 consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it could 
 be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for 
 applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of 
 unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The 
 idea is definitely interesting, though.
 
 Best Regards,
 Vadim
 ---
 Vadim Eisenberg
 IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
 IBM Research - Haifa
 
 
 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:
 
  From:
  
  BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net
  
  To:
  
  user@ofbiz.apache.org
  
  Date:
  
  04/09/2010 04:38 PM
  
  Subject:
  
  Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
  
  one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz 
  Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.
  Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the 
 framework.
  So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
  Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about 
  page 393.
  You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
  There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only 
  data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be developed.
  
  My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded applications.
  in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed air 
 
  and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time proximity 
  sensors were all that was available.
  
  I say this because of your focus.
  Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such, 
  using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful.
  
  so here is something you may not have considered. Ofbiz as the Home 
  automation with in the home.
  Ofbiz has a sync capability used in the POS that could be used to sync 
  the ofbiz running in the home with the main website.
  This way each person would have their own personalize themes for their 
 home.
  this would be an embedded Linux server with touch screen. it is all 
  enclosed.
  you would use the network that automatically connects to other network 
  nodes and builds an Intranet in the home. this allows for other systems 
  to interact with ofbiz.
  
  The Framework of ofbiz has the ability to run schedule services. the 
  scripts for the services can be modified without re-compiling or 
  restarting ofbiz, though the actual service defs do require a restart if 
 
  changed or added. this is being worked on so the home system can be 
  updated on the fly.
  
  There is also a Setup component that can be added to for new components.
  
  needless to say I very sold on ofbiz and what it can do.
  it does though, as David said have places that need to fleshed out.
  
  =
  
  BJ Freeman
  Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  http://
  www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
  Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
  Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
  
  Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
  
  Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/4/2010 1:02 AM:
  
   Hi David,
  
   Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the 
 formatting
   for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.
  
   You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that 
 responses
   you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be 
 sure
   of for those responding
   is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many
   people respond with something
   consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the 
 information,
   but usually not otherwise.
  
   I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing 
 code
   to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still 
 would
   like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the
   trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to 
 thank BJ
   again for providing his opinions.
  
   Please note

Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

Hi Bruno,

Do you mean that the framework could be (in the future) used as a general 
SOA architecture for running applications, not necessary ERP related ?

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa
 



From:
Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com
To:
user@ofbiz.apache.org
Date:
05/09/2010 03:06 PM
Subject:
Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization



Yes, Vadim, consider also that there is an in-progress work aimed to 
better
separate the framework from the higher level applications.
This will let users like you use the power of the framework with just the
part they need of the higher applications.
-Bruno

2010/9/5 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net

 I want to expand the conversation about using Ofbiz not just Ecommerce.
 First let start by thinking that everything is a system, living is a
 system.
 Everything we do is a bunch of black boxes with input and outputs, with 
the
 processes to deal with the input and create the output.
 To address ERP, we all in our lives, implement resource planning, some
 better than others.
 An example is meal planning. Though most do this second nature from a 
lot
 of experience, it can also be model in software.
 So how does resource-planning work in the home? From the Power used to 
do
 things like cooking, heating, to house repair is all resource planning.
 The “E” part simply defines the max scope of the software to handle such
 activities.

 Most of your specs  for a “requirements Engine” is resources planning.
 The end Goal is do we have the necessary resources to do something.
 One of those resources is Cash. For seniors this is paramount if they 
are
 on a fixed income. Resource planning and creating a budget is something
 Ofbiz can do with some added customization or expanding the current 
system.

 Have you thought to use Ofbiz to develop the requirements of you AAL
 project?
 Use the Project manager will give you feel for what I mean.

 So lets talk about Ofbiz.
 You have a framework that already does a lot, you specify a entity and 
its
 relationship then with just a few commands you have that available for 
the
 Screenlet.
 Layered on top of the framework is the Application that are generic to 
most
 of living but is primarily focused on business.

 Then you have the specific layer like Ecommerce and manufacturing.
 Now don’t discount manufacturing since that is what you do in the 
kitchen
 as recipes.

 I am serious when I say David is Architect a comprehensive system that 
can
 used in every aspect of our lives.

 So I would suggest:
 1)Download Ofbiz and run it in Localhost  mode as a desktop to use the
 project manager and get feel for what it does.
 2)Put it on a server so others in you group can do projects and tasks.


 =
 BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
 http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
 Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man



 Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/5/2010 12:01 AM:


  Hi BJ,

 It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the 
core
 platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will
 consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it 
could
 be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for
 applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of
 unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The
 idea is definitely interesting, though.

 Best Regards,
 Vadim
 ---
 Vadim Eisenberg
 IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
 IBM Research - Haifa


 BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:

  From:

 BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net

 To:

 user@ofbiz.apache.org

 Date:

 04/09/2010 04:38 PM

 Subject:

 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

 one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz
 Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.
 Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the

 framework.

 So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
 Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about
 page 393.
 You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
 There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only
 data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be 
developed.

 My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded 
applications.
 in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed 
air


  and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time 
proximity
 sensors were all that was available.

 I say this because of your focus.
 Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such,
 using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful

Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Bruno Busco]

Yes, the idea is to distribute the framework with some basic applications
that allows to manage parties and contents.
On top of that, specific applications (even not ERP) can be build by the
user.
The custom application can leverage all the features the framework offers.

Right now the specialpurpose directory with all contained applications can
easily be removed from an installation so that all related db tables are not
created.
On the contrary, it is not possible to eliminate all the applications
contained in the Applications directory because the framework depends on
them.
We are working to eliminate those dependencies so that only used
applications could be installed or even none of them.

-Bruno

2010/9/5 Vadim Eisenberg vad...@il.ibm.com

 Hi Bruno,

 Do you mean that the framework could be (in the future) used as a general
 SOA architecture for running applications, not necessary ERP related ?

 Best Regards,
 Vadim
 ---
 Vadim Eisenberg
 IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
 IBM Research - Haifa




 From:
 Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com
 To:
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 Date:
 05/09/2010 03:06 PM
 Subject:
 Re: Ofbiz and AAL was OfBiz e-commerce customization



 Yes, Vadim, consider also that there is an in-progress work aimed to
 better
 separate the framework from the higher level applications.
 This will let users like you use the power of the framework with just the
 part they need of the higher applications.
 -Bruno

 2010/9/5 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net

  I want to expand the conversation about using Ofbiz not just Ecommerce.
  First let start by thinking that everything is a system, living is a
  system.
  Everything we do is a bunch of black boxes with input and outputs, with
 the
  processes to deal with the input and create the output.
  To address ERP, we all in our lives, implement resource planning, some
  better than others.
  An example is meal planning. Though most do this second nature from a
 lot
  of experience, it can also be model in software.
  So how does resource-planning work in the home? From the Power used to
 do
  things like cooking, heating, to house repair is all resource planning.
  The “E” part simply defines the max scope of the software to handle such
  activities.
 
  Most of your specs  for a “requirements Engine” is resources planning.
  The end Goal is do we have the necessary resources to do something.
  One of those resources is Cash. For seniors this is paramount if they
 are
  on a fixed income. Resource planning and creating a budget is something
  Ofbiz can do with some added customization or expanding the current
 system.
 
  Have you thought to use Ofbiz to develop the requirements of you AAL
  project?
  Use the Project manager will give you feel for what I mean.
 
  So lets talk about Ofbiz.
  You have a framework that already does a lot, you specify a entity and
 its
  relationship then with just a few commands you have that available for
 the
  Screenlet.
  Layered on top of the framework is the Application that are generic to
 most
  of living but is primarily focused on business.
 
  Then you have the specific layer like Ecommerce and manufacturing.
  Now don’t discount manufacturing since that is what you do in the
 kitchen
  as recipes.
 
  I am serious when I say David is Architect a comprehensive system that
 can
  used in every aspect of our lives.
 
  So I would suggest:
  1)Download Ofbiz and run it in Localhost  mode as a desktop to use the
  project manager and get feel for what it does.
  2)Put it on a server so others in you group can do projects and tasks.
 
 
  =
  BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
  Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
  http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
  Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
  Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
 
  Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
 
 
 
  Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/5/2010 12:01 AM:
 
 
   Hi BJ,
 
  It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the
 core
  platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will
  consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it
 could
  be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for
  applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of
  unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The
  idea is definitely interesting, though.
 
  Best Regards,
  Vadim
  ---
  Vadim Eisenberg
  IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
  IBM Research - Haifa
 
 
  BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:
 
   From:
 
  BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net
 
  To:
 
  user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
  Date:
 
  04/09/2010 04:38 PM
 
  Subject:
 
  Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
  one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz
  Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

my target machine is equivalent Netbook circuit boad with a touch  screen.
These are 1.6 ghz cpu and 4 gigs of memory. with a 500 gig disk. the OEM 
of this is about $350.

running ofbiz is about the size of Word as far was memory.
there are a couple of options for unwanted/unneeded features:
1) you can hide the component if you need then underlying code, by 
adding/changing one parm.
2) you can comment out the component in one of two files that will 
reduce the code foot print.


I have a linux server that is 4 megs of memory and runs a java mail 
server and 5 instances of ofbiz, using postgres. The cpu usage is less 
than 10% on average and does not require the swap file, which is a 
consideration for speed. During the schedules clean up services, the CPU 
usage reaches 75%.


=
BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/5/2010 12:01 AM:



Hi BJ,

It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the core
platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will
consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it could
be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for
applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of
unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The
idea is definitely interesting, though.

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa


BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net  wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:


From:

BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net

To:

user@ofbiz.apache.org

Date:

04/09/2010 04:38 PM

Subject:

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz
Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.
Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the

framework.

So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about
page 393.
You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only
data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be developed.

My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded applications.
in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed air



and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time proximity
sensors were all that was available.

I say this because of your focus.
Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such,
using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful.

so here is something you may not have considered. Ofbiz as the Home
automation with in the home.
Ofbiz has a sync capability used in the POS that could be used to sync
the ofbiz running in the home with the main website.
This way each person would have their own personalize themes for their

home.

this would be an embedded Linux server with touch screen. it is all
enclosed.
you would use the network that automatically connects to other network
nodes and builds an Intranet in the home. this allows for other systems
to interact with ofbiz.

The Framework of ofbiz has the ability to run schedule services. the
scripts for the services can be modified without re-compiling or
restarting ofbiz, though the actual service defs do require a restart if



changed or added. this is being worked on so the home system can be
updated on the fly.

There is also a Setup component that can be added to for new components.

needless to say I very sold on ofbiz and what it can do.
it does though, as David said have places that need to fleshed out.

=

BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automationhttp://
www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.comhttp://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man

Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/4/2010 1:02 AM:


Hi David,

Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the

formatting

for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.

You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that

responses

you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be

sure

of for those responding
is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many
people respond with something
consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the

information,

but usually not otherwise.

I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing

code

to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still

would

like to hear

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

I have a linux server that is 4 megs of memory
should be
I have a linux server that is 4 gigs of memory

=
BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man


BJ Freeman sent the following on 9/5/2010 9:58 AM:

my target machine is equivalent Netbook circuit boad with a touch  screen.
These are 1.6 ghz cpu and 4 gigs of memory. with a 500 gig disk. the OEM
of this is about $350.
running ofbiz is about the size of Word as far was memory.
there are a couple of options for unwanted/unneeded features:
1) you can hide the component if you need then underlying code, by
adding/changing one parm.
2) you can comment out the component in one of two files that will
reduce the code foot print.

I have a linux server that is 4 megs of memory and runs a java mail
server and 5 instances of ofbiz, using postgres. The cpu usage is less
than 10% on average and does not require the swap file, which is a
consideration for speed. During the schedules clean up services, the CPU
usage reaches 75%.

=
BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/5/2010 12:01 AM:



Hi BJ,

It is an interesting idea ! You actually propose to use OfBiz as the core
platform for the AAL, and not only as an e-commerce solution. We will
consider it as an option. However, I would say that it seems that it
could
be an overkill to use an ERP solution as a general platform for
applications and devices. This option could be too heavy, in terms of
unneeded code/unneeded business features/high learning curve etc.. The
idea is definitely interesting, though.

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa


BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net wrote on 04/09/2010 04:37:21 PM:


From:

BJ Freemanbjf...@free-man.net

To:

user@ofbiz.apache.org

Date:

04/09/2010 04:38 PM

Subject:

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz
Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.
Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the

framework.

So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about
page 393.
You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only
data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be developed.

My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded applications.
in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed air



and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time proximity
sensors were all that was available.

I say this because of your focus.
Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such,
using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful.

so here is something you may not have considered. Ofbiz as the Home
automation with in the home.
Ofbiz has a sync capability used in the POS that could be used to sync
the ofbiz running in the home with the main website.
This way each person would have their own personalize themes for their

home.

this would be an embedded Linux server with touch screen. it is all
enclosed.
you would use the network that automatically connects to other network
nodes and builds an Intranet in the home. this allows for other systems
to interact with ofbiz.

The Framework of ofbiz has the ability to run schedule services. the
scripts for the services can be modified without re-compiling or
restarting ofbiz, though the actual service defs do require a restart if



changed or added. this is being worked on so the home system can be
updated on the fly.

There is also a Setup component that can be added to for new components.

needless to say I very sold on ofbiz and what it can do.
it does though, as David said have places that need to fleshed out.

=

BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automationhttp://
www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.comhttp://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man

Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/4/2010 1:02 AM:


Hi David,

Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the

formatting

for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.

You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that

responses

you get are volunteer

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

Hi David,
 
Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the formatting 
for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.
 
You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that responses
you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be sure 
of for those responding
is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many 
people respond with something
consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the information, 
but usually not otherwise.
 
I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing code 
to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still would 
like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the 
trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to thank BJ 
again for providing his opinions.
 
Please note that the project I participate in, is a kind of Research and 
Development project, sponsored by EU and implemented by a consortium of 
academic and industrial partners. The project is planned for four years 
(ending in January 2014). One of its goals is to create an open source 
implementation of an e-commerce solution - uStore, suited for the field of 
AAL - Ambient Assisted Living (that is a kind of smart home for senior 
citizens). The main concept of uStore is similar to the concept of 
AppStore of Apple ? the AAL application developers would be able to upload 
and sell their applications from the store. In addition to that, AAL 
related devices and human services would be sold. An additional important 
feature is to integrate social commerce ? user reviews, blogs, forums 
etc.
 
Please note that developing uStore is Research and Development and there 
are not yet concrete AAL businesses that would immediately use it. The 
goal is to provide some reference open source implementation in four 
years. This implementation would be later supported and extended by an 
open-source community according to the business needs of AAL businesses, 
once some real AAL businesses would use it. One of the goals is to reuse 
the existing open-source OOTB solutions in any field as much as possible 
in order to save resources as much as possible.
 
As a result of the situation, the accent here is more on e-commerce 
features of existing e-commerce solutions, especially related to the 
e-commerce frontend, than on their ERP features. We would like to use the 
simplest and the most straightforward standard business model (preferably 
OOTB) for e-commerce and invest more resources into the frontend features. 
By the frontend features I mean the website, its accessibility, including 
presentation on smart phones, search, recommendations, user reviews, blogs 
and forums etc. As I understand the strength of OfBiz is actually its rich 
ERP data model, however here we probably do not need the advanced ERP 
features of OfBiz.
 
I have read your HEMP Light document ? it was interesting and provided 
some insights for me. Currently we are in process of finalizing the use 
cases/requirements of the uStore and evaluating existing e-commerce 
solutions, with OfBiz being one of the main candidates.
 
Thanks  Regards,
Vadim

---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa
 

David E Jones d...@me.com wrote on 03/09/2010 10:00:38 PM:

 From:
 
 David E Jones d...@me.com
 
 To:
 
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
 Date:
 
 03/09/2010 10:01 PM
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 
 Vadim,
 
 About your formatting: this mailing list filters out all HTML 
 because HTML email messages tend to be VERY large and the Apache 
 Software Foundation in general has many thousands of messages going 
 through mailing lists every day.
 
 Back to your original question: when asking questions here please 
 keep in mind that responses you get are volunteer responses and the 
 only qualification you can be sure of for those responding is that 
 they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many people 
 respond with something consistent then it is a safer bet that you 
 can rely on the information, but usually not otherwise. With a 
 question as long and involved as yours chances are you'll only get a
 small number of responses, and chances are your experience will be 
 VERY different from those few who do respond.
 
 OFBiz is a large project. A good developer can learn to work 
 effectively with the framework with a couple of weeks of training 
 and a couple of months of hands-on development. However, even a good
 developer will have a hard time picking up all of the data 
 structures and business logic even after many months of study, and 
 realistically since most people don't or can't do that, it usually 
 takes years of work experience and even then they'll only have 
 knowledge of the parts of the system that have had the opportunity 
 to work with.
 
 Understanding the business side is much easier for someone who has

Fw: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

Hi David,

Now I am suffering from encoding issues. Please note that the question 
mark ? in my previous message relates to the long dash --. The fixed 
message is forwarded.

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa
 
- Forwarded by Vadim Eisenberg/Haifa/IBM on 04/09/2010 11:40 AM -

From:
Vadim Eisenberg/Haifa/i...@ibmil
To:
user@ofbiz.apache.org
Date:
04/09/2010 11:02 AM
Subject:
Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization



Hi David,
 
Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the formatting 
for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.
 
You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that responses
you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be sure 

of for those responding
is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many 
people respond with something
consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the information, 
but usually not otherwise.
 
I guess this is how Open Source works :) - by volunteers contributing code 

to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still would 

like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the 
trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to thank BJ 

again for providing his opinions.
 
Please note that the project I participate in, is a kind of Research and 
Development project, sponsored by EU and implemented by a consortium of 
academic and industrial partners. The project is planned for four years 
(ending in January 2014). One of its goals is to create an open source 
implementation of an e-commerce solution - uStore, suited for the field of 

AAL - Ambient Assisted Living (that is a kind of smart home for senior 
citizens). The main concept of uStore is similar to the concept of 
AppStore of Apple - the AAL application developers would be able to upload 

and sell their applications from the store. In addition to that, AAL 
related devices and human services would be sold. An additional important 
feature is to integrate social commerce - user reviews, blogs, forums 
etc.
 
Please note that developing uStore is Research and Development and there 
are not yet concrete AAL businesses that would immediately use it. The 
goal is to provide some reference open source implementation in four 
years. This implementation would be later supported and extended by an 
open-source community according to the business needs of AAL businesses, 
once some real AAL businesses would use it. One of the goals is to reuse 
the existing open-source OOTB solutions in any field as much as possible 
in order to save resources as much as possible.
 
As a result of the situation, the accent here is more on e-commerce 
features of existing e-commerce solutions, especially related to the 
e-commerce frontend, than on their ERP features. We would like to use the 
simplest and the most straightforward standard business model (preferably 
OOTB) for e-commerce and invest more resources into the frontend features. 

By the frontend features I mean the website, its accessibility, including 
presentation on smart phones, search, recommendations, user reviews, blogs 

and forums etc. As I understand the strength of OfBiz is actually its rich 

ERP data model, however here we probably do not need the advanced ERP 
features of OfBiz.
 
I have read your HEMP Light document - it was interesting and provided 
some insights for me. Currently we are in process of finalizing the use 
cases/requirements of the uStore and evaluating existing e-commerce 
solutions, with OfBiz being one of the main candidates.
 
Thanks  Regards,
Vadim

---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa
 

David E Jones d...@me.com wrote on 03/09/2010 10:00:38 PM:

 From:
 
 David E Jones d...@me.com
 
 To:
 
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
 Date:
 
 03/09/2010 10:01 PM
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 
 Vadim,
 
 About your formatting: this mailing list filters out all HTML 
 because HTML email messages tend to be VERY large and the Apache 
 Software Foundation in general has many thousands of messages going 
 through mailing lists every day.
 
 Back to your original question: when asking questions here please 
 keep in mind that responses you get are volunteer responses and the 
 only qualification you can be sure of for those responding is that 
 they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many people 
 respond with something consistent then it is a safer bet that you 
 can rely on the information, but usually not otherwise. With a 
 question as long and involved as yours chances are you'll only get a
 small number of responses, and chances are your experience will be 
 VERY different from those few who do respond.
 
 OFBiz is a large project. A good developer can learn to work 
 effectively with the framework

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

one of the concepts that is hard for most web developers is ofbiz 
Ecommerce is like a third Tier Application.

Ecommerce depends on all the other Back-end applications and the framework.
So you don't design a page then add the data in the db to support it.
Also you will find the Ecommerce in the Second Volume starting about 
page 393.

You can also look at the data model for Health care in Vol II.
There is a section about Health Care Delivery. mind you this is only 
data modeling and the actual business logic and UI has to be developed.


My back ground is hardware automation as well as embedded applications.
in the 70's I designed a home that was automated, it used compressed air 
and cylinders for activation of doors and ramps. At that time proximity 
sensors were all that was available.


I say this because of your focus.
Being nearly 70 I have worked towards a computer companion, as such, 
using AI. its purpose was to be my guide when I got too forgetful.


so here is something you may not have considered. Ofbiz as the Home 
automation with in the home.
Ofbiz has a sync capability used in the POS that could be used to sync 
the ofbiz running in the home with the main website.

This way each person would have their own personalize themes for their home.
this would be an embedded Linux server with touch screen. it is all 
enclosed.
you would use the network that automatically connects to other network 
nodes and builds an Intranet in the home. this allows for other systems 
to interact with ofbiz.


The Framework of ofbiz has the ability to run schedule services. the 
scripts for the services can be modified without re-compiling or 
restarting ofbiz, though the actual service defs do require a restart if 
changed or added. this is being worked on so the home system can be 
updated on the fly.


There is also a Setup component that can be added to for new components.

needless to say I very sold on ofbiz and what it can do.
it does though, as David said have places that need to fleshed out.

=

BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man

Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/4/2010 1:02 AM:


Hi David,

Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the formatting
for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.

You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that responses
you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be sure
of for those responding
is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many
people respond with something
consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the information,
but usually not otherwise.

I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing code
to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still would
like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the
trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to thank BJ
again for providing his opinions.

Please note that the project I participate in, is a kind of Research and
Development project, sponsored by EU and implemented by a consortium of
academic and industrial partners. The project is planned for four years
(ending in January 2014). One of its goals is to create an open source
implementation of an e-commerce solution - uStore, suited for the field of
AAL - Ambient Assisted Living (that is a kind of smart home for senior
citizens). The main concept of uStore is similar to the concept of
AppStore of Apple ? the AAL application developers would be able to upload
and sell their applications from the store. In addition to that, AAL
related devices and human services would be sold. An additional important
feature is to integrate social commerce ? user reviews, blogs, forums
etc.

Please note that developing uStore is Research and Development and there
are not yet concrete AAL businesses that would immediately use it. The
goal is to provide some reference open source implementation in four
years. This implementation would be later supported and extended by an
open-source community according to the business needs of AAL businesses,
once some real AAL businesses would use it. One of the goals is to reuse
the existing open-source OOTB solutions in any field as much as possible
in order to save resources as much as possible.

As a result of the situation, the accent here is more on e-commerce
features of existing e-commerce solutions, especially related to the
e-commerce frontend, than on their ERP features. We would like to use the
simplest and the most straightforward standard business model (preferably
OOTB) for e-commerce and invest more resources into the frontend features.
By the frontend features I mean the website, its accessibility, including

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[David E Jones]

 are your experience will be VERY different from those few who do 
 respond.
 
 OFBiz is a large project. A good developer can learn to work effectively 
 with the framework with a couple of weeks of training and a couple of months 
 of hands-on development. However, even a good developer will have a hard 
 time picking up all of the data structures and business logic even after 
 many months of study, and realistically since most people don't or can't do 
 that, it usually takes years of work experience and even then they'll only 
 have knowledge of the parts of the system that have had the opportunity to 
 work with.
 
 Understanding the business side is much easier for someone who has a good 
 business background, and by good business background I mean really good 
 experience with how businesses actually operate and what sorts of 
 information businesses actually keep track of when operating. Sometimes 
 people coming out of university business programs will have this, but most 
 of the time they do not. Most people with business degrees will have learned 
 more about laws and how to manipulate people than about the myriad of 
 complexities of managing a warehouse, handling purchasing, or tracking 
 information about products to facility the many touch points with those 
 products throughout the company, and making it easy for customers to find 
 products they want, or how to figure out where customer interest intersects 
 with stuff you want to move.
 
 So anyway, keep in mind that your diving into a pretty comprehensive ERP 
 system, but one that is made up of what people have seen fit to contribute 
 for free. An extremely wide variety of data structures and common business 
 processes are represented in the system, though many are not complete, or at 
 least not complete in the way your client will want to use them.
 
 The only way to really be sure is to document ALL business activities 
 (usually easiest if organized by process and not by role or by system 
 function), and then do an overlap/gap analysis to see how each business 
 activity would be done in the system, or if there is not something to do it 
 (or it is not adequate for what your users want) then detail what the system 
 needs to do to help manage that activity. Once you've done that, then you'll 
 know what the system can do for you as-is, and what needs to be done to 
 expand and change the system to do what your client needs. Short of that, 
 everything is a guess and guaranteed to be wrong (the only question is by 
 how much and in which direction(s)...).
 
 To help with that I recommend this material (this is what I use with 
 clients):
 
 http://www.dejc.com/home/HEMP.html
 
 I'd also recommend looking at some of the generic business process stories 
 that have come from OFBiz-based projects and been refined somewhat over the 
 years (though keep in mind that these stories in some places represent 
 activities that are not managed by OOTB OFBiz, ie these need an overlap/gap 
 analysis document to make them more meaningful):
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index
 
 Best of luck,
 -David
 
 
 On Sep 3, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Vadim Eisenberg wrote:
 
 Hello BJ and other OfBiz developers,
 
 I was not subscribed to the mailing list so I did not receive the answer
 of BJ to my previous message -
 http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-user/201009.mbox/%3c4c7ffc99.9020...@free-man.net%3e
 . Because of that I cannot post a response to it. Secondly, I used a wrong
 MIME in my previous message, so all the bullets and formatting were
 missing. I am reposting the original message below in the right format
 (any additional comments/opinions are welcome). In addition, my response
 to BJ follows. Sorry for the mess I created.
 
 Hi BJ,
 
 Thank you for your prompt response. I think I've got the general idea. I
 still would like to ask a question about learning OfBiz:
 The three volumes of the data model book comprise about 1700 pages
 together. Should I use the book as a reference or do I have to read all
 the three volumes before starting my work on OfBiz ? Which parts of the
 book are required before I begin my work ?
 
 Thanks  Regards,
 Vadim
 
 
 
 
 My original message:
 ===
 Hello OfBiz developers,
 
 My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the
 UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium European
 project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services and
 devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home for
 senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software developers
 - have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore
 http://universaal.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
 . This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and devices

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

David Don't give up the ship yet.
Obiz in my estimation is the best thing out there from a overall 
maintenance and adding to. I believed that back in 2002 when I first saw 
it and believe that now.

The first problem you ran into was you started during a recession.
So people were looking for inexpensive solutions.
To my knowledge there is no model for software where consultant are 
hired just because it is there.
Usually it takes a great deal of marketing smarts and some luck to get 
your software to be used. Like the Apple/Microsoft battles of the 80's 
they got a lot of free publicity.
Those of the GNU community had other jobs and had a passion and belief 
so they contributed. The license part about if change it contribute back 
also had a great deal to do with it.
Both in the Commercial and the GNU/Apache community responses to bugs 
and incomplete code has also been what spurs confidence.


Bottom line even if you have to be a dishwasher to survived (past 
experience from the 1970 recession) don't give up you dream. Continue to 
support those that want to contribute and give Guidance. You will be 
rewarded in time and get the satisfaction of a job well done.


=

BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
David E Jones sent the following on 9/4/2010 7:21 AM:


It is unfortunate, but it shouldn't be too surprising. In general I'd say the 
current involvement of many of the people who made OFBiz what it is are barely 
involved any more. The reasons are pretty simple though (IMO anyway), mainly 
related to motivation and reasons for contributing code and answering questions 
on the mailing lists, and also related to the resources necessary to allow a 
person to do that. The main factor seems to be that when the project was 
growing there were lots of consulting opportunities that paid enough to leave 
extra time for people to work on pet projects and things of interest and enough 
to provide motivation to do so in order to attract more and better work. That 
just isn't the case any more.

For me it's been a really interesting experience. I worked a lot on helping 
people and growing the community (especially attracting contributors) over the 
first few years of the project because I thought the open community-driven 
model was the best way to go. You don't really know what something's like until 
problems arise because before that you've only really seen one side of it. Now 
that I've seen the other side of this model I no longer think it the best 
(especially in terms of software quality), though I still think it is a great 
model for certain things. The general idea is great, but there are issues with 
enough motivation and flow of resources to get, and keep, quality people 
involved.

If I understand right, that's kind of what you were getting at BJ. Whatever the 
case, thank you for your continued involvement in the project and your efforts 
to help people who ask questions.

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Divesh Dutta]

Hello Vadim,

Please see my comments inline. 

On Sep 2, 2010, at 11:49 PM, Vadim Eisenberg wrote:

 
 Hello OfBiz developers,
 
 My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the
 UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium European
 project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services and
 devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home for
 senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software developers
 - have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore
 http://universaal.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
 . This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and devices
 for Ambient Assisted Living.
 
 We consider using OfBiz for implementation of uStore.

Thats great idea.


 
 I would like to ask you several questions about the features we want to
 implement. I would be glad to hear any information you can tell me about
 how hard could it be for us to implement these features. Please note that
 we have no prior experience with OfBiz.

+1 for David's word here:

OFBiz is a large project. A good developer can learn to work effectively with 
the framework with a couple of weeks of training and a couple of months of 
hands-on development. However, even a good developer will have a hard time 
picking up all of the data structures and business logic even after many months 
of study, and realistically since most people don't or can't do that, it 
usually takes years of work experience and even then they'll only have 
knowledge of the parts of the system that have had the opportunity to work 
with.

So if you start learning OFBiz by your self and try to get things implement 
your self (without consulting experienced OFBiz developer), I think it would 
take more time instead of saving your time. 


 
 Any your thoughts, intuition, experience, advice about OfBiz/business
 programming are welcome.
 
 In particular, the following information would help us very much :
   How much work should be done by us in order to implement all the
   features that follow (Person/Months, Person/Years, for skilled OfBiz
   developers/general software engineers). Which part would be to use
   existing extension mechanisms of OfBiz and which part would be
   actually changing the OfBiz code ? Here your intuition/experience from
   related projects is welcome, we do not need exact numbers, just a
   ballpark.
   How much time the general software developers have to learn about OfBiz
   and how skilled in OfBiz  they should become in order to implement these
   features
 
E-commerce website features:
   Using e-commerce site for selling software (such as AppStore of iPhone)
   and downloadable files in general (video, presentations of courses
   etc.). Here the issue is to manage links where the bought files could be
   downloaded. The idea is to prevent a situation in which buyers would buy
   a software application, receive a link to it for downloading and share
   the link afterwards with anybody they want, so anybody would be able to
   download the application without paying for it.
   Using e-commerce site for selling services (human services and others)
   Extending e-commerce site with general widgets, such as calendar, clock,
   map, a widget for downloading files, etc., and integrating the widgets
   with the OfBiz
 

Selling digital products like mentioned above are supported in OFBiz OOTB. 
Managing links is also supported , It may require few customization to address 
very specific requirement as per the customer. 

   Integration with other websites/services:
   Integrating an e-commerce website with another (non-OfBiz backed) site -
   adding possibility for sellers to add products to the e-commerce site
   via the other site, to see customer feedback provided on the e-commerce
   site via the other site
   Integrating an e-commerce website with another (possibly non-OfBiz)
   e-commerce website, such as eBay/Amazon. What are the current
   possibilities of integration with eBay ?
   Integrating an e-commerce website with post/delivery services/sites

Support for integrating OFBiz with Ebay is already supported in OOTB.

 
   Adding advanced features:
   Adding support for signing business contracts between service consumers
   and service providers, between providers of different services etc. via
   the e-commerce site

This can be achieved. Will require more proper modeling and designing in OFBiz.


   Adding support for applying capability/requirement model, such as
   JSR-124,  (for example  for matching between customer's requirements and
   capabilities of software, devices and services). The customer or
   software agent on behalf of the customer could provide his requirements
   as part of his account information, and the e-commerce solution would
   match between the products (according to their capabilities) and the
   requirements of the customers.
   Has OfBiz

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Shi Jinghai]

It seems your strategy is very clear: you need a set of UI for free and
will sell your middle ware in the future. If so, I guess OFBiz will not
be your choice.


在 2010-09-04六的 11:02 +0300，Vadim Eisenberg写道：
 Hi David,
  
 Thank you for your answer and explanations. I failed with the formatting 
 for the second time, so I will try to write in plain text from now on.
  
 You wrote: when asking questions here please keep in mind that responses
 you get are volunteer responses and the only qualification you can be sure 
 of for those responding
 is that they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many 
 people respond with something
 consistent then it is a safer bet that you can rely on the information, 
 but usually not otherwise.
  
 I guess this is how Open Source works :) ? by volunteers contributing code 
 to the product and answering questions in the mailing lists. I still would 
 like to hear as much opinions as possible from the developers in the 
 trenches, so anybody is welcome to provide them. I would like to thank BJ 
 again for providing his opinions.
  
 Please note that the project I participate in, is a kind of Research and 
 Development project, sponsored by EU and implemented by a consortium of 
 academic and industrial partners. The project is planned for four years 
 (ending in January 2014). One of its goals is to create an open source 
 implementation of an e-commerce solution - uStore, suited for the field of 
 AAL - Ambient Assisted Living (that is a kind of smart home for senior 
 citizens). The main concept of uStore is similar to the concept of 
 AppStore of Apple ? the AAL application developers would be able to upload 
 and sell their applications from the store. In addition to that, AAL 
 related devices and human services would be sold. An additional important 
 feature is to integrate social commerce ? user reviews, blogs, forums 
 etc.
  
 Please note that developing uStore is Research and Development and there 
 are not yet concrete AAL businesses that would immediately use it. The 
 goal is to provide some reference open source implementation in four 
 years. This implementation would be later supported and extended by an 
 open-source community according to the business needs of AAL businesses, 
 once some real AAL businesses would use it. One of the goals is to reuse 
 the existing open-source OOTB solutions in any field as much as possible 
 in order to save resources as much as possible.
  
 As a result of the situation, the accent here is more on e-commerce 
 features of existing e-commerce solutions, especially related to the 
 e-commerce frontend, than on their ERP features. We would like to use the 
 simplest and the most straightforward standard business model (preferably 
 OOTB) for e-commerce and invest more resources into the frontend features. 
 By the frontend features I mean the website, its accessibility, including 
 presentation on smart phones, search, recommendations, user reviews, blogs 
 and forums etc. As I understand the strength of OfBiz is actually its rich 
 ERP data model, however here we probably do not need the advanced ERP 
 features of OfBiz.
  
 I have read your HEMP Light document ? it was interesting and provided 
 some insights for me. Currently we are in process of finalizing the use 
 cases/requirements of the uStore and evaluating existing e-commerce 
 solutions, with OfBiz being one of the main candidates.
  
 Thanks  Regards,
 Vadim
 
 ---
 Vadim Eisenberg
 IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
 IBM Research - Haifa
  
 
 David E Jones d...@me.com wrote on 03/09/2010 10:00:38 PM:
 
  From:
  
  David E Jones d...@me.com
  
  To:
  
  user@ofbiz.apache.org
  
  Date:
  
  03/09/2010 10:01 PM
  
  Subject:
  
  Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
  
  
  Vadim,
  
  About your formatting: this mailing list filters out all HTML 
  because HTML email messages tend to be VERY large and the Apache 
  Software Foundation in general has many thousands of messages going 
  through mailing lists every day.
  
  Back to your original question: when asking questions here please 
  keep in mind that responses you get are volunteer responses and the 
  only qualification you can be sure of for those responding is that 
  they are capable of subscribing to the mailing list. If many people 
  respond with something consistent then it is a safer bet that you 
  can rely on the information, but usually not otherwise. With a 
  question as long and involved as yours chances are you'll only get a
  small number of responses, and chances are your experience will be 
  VERY different from those few who do respond.
  
  OFBiz is a large project. A good developer can learn to work 
  effectively with the framework with a couple of weeks of training 
  and a couple of months of hands-on development. However, even a good
  developer will have a hard time picking up all of the data 
  structures and business logic even after

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

the first volume is the one you will use the most for understanding the 
data model used by ofbiz. It explains things that are not explained any 
other place. I suggest at least a cursory review so as you need info you 
know where to go.
the second volume deals with specific industries and has lots of 
modeling Ideas you may be able to use.
the third volume focuses more on business logic. though this was not 
used in the original design it has some good things to be considered.


the most accurate modeling can be found in the webtools of the version 
of ofbiz you are using.

https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/entitymaint
or
https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/entityref

and for documentation
http://ofbiz.apache.org/
and click on the documentation link.

=
BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man


Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/3/2010 10:32 AM:

Hello BJ and other OfBiz developers,

I was not subscribed to the mailing list so I did not receive the answer
of BJ to my previous message -
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-user/201009.mbox/%3c4c7ffc99.9020...@free-man.net%3e
. Because of that I cannot post a response to it. Secondly, I used a wrong
MIME in my previous message, so all the bullets and formatting were
missing. I am reposting the original message below in the right format
(any additional comments/opinions are welcome). In addition, my response
to BJ follows. Sorry for the mess I created.

Hi BJ,

Thank you for your prompt response. I think I've got the general idea. I
still would like to ask a question about learning OfBiz:
The three volumes of the data model book comprise about 1700 pages
together. Should I use the book as a reference or do I have to read all
the three volumes before starting my work on OfBiz ? Which parts of the
book are required before I begin my work ?

Thanks  Regards,
Vadim




My original message:
===
Hello OfBiz developers,

My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the
UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium European
project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services and
devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home for
senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software developers
- have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore
http://universaal.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
. This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and devices
for Ambient Assisted Living.

We consider using OfBiz for implementation of uStore.

I would like to ask you several questions about the features we want to
implement. I would be glad to hear any information you can tell me about
how hard could it be for us to implement these features. Please note that
we have no prior experience with OfBiz.

Any your thoughts, intuition, experience, advice about OfBiz/business
programming are welcome.

In particular, the following information would help us very much :
How much work should be done by us in order to implement all the features
that follow (Person/Months, Person/Years, for skilled OfBiz
developers/general software engineers). Which part would be to use
existing extension mechanisms of OfBiz and which part would be actually
changing the OfBiz code ? Here your intuition/experience from related
projects is welcome, we do not need exact numbers, just a ballpark.
How much time the general software developers have to learn about OfBiz
and how skilled in OfBiz  they should become in order to implement these
features

 E-commerce website features:
Using e-commerce site for selling software (such as AppStore of iPhone)
and downloadable files in general (video, presentations of courses etc.).
Here the issue is to manage links where the bought files could be
downloaded. The idea is to prevent a situation in which buyers would buy a
software application, receive a link to it for downloading and share the
link afterwards with anybody they want, so anybody would be able to
download the application without paying for it.
Using e-commerce site for selling services (human services and others)
Extending e-commerce site with general widgets, such as calendar, clock,
map, a widget for downloading files, etc., and integrating the widgets
with the OfBiz

Integration with other websites/services:
Integrating an e-commerce website with another (non-OfBiz backed) site -
adding possibility for sellers to add products to the e-commerce site via
the other site, to see customer feedback provided on the e-commerce site
via the other site
Integrating an e

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[Vadim Eisenberg]

Thank you, BJ !

Best Regards,
Vadim
---
Vadim Eisenberg
IT for Healthcare  Life Sciences
IBM Research - Haifa


BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net wrote on 03/09/2010 08:53:17 PM:

 From:
 
 BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net
 
 To:
 
 user@ofbiz.apache.org
 
 Date:
 
 03/09/2010 08:54 PM
 
 Subject:
 
 Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization
 
 the first volume is the one you will use the most for understanding the 
 data model used by ofbiz. It explains things that are not explained any 
 other place. I suggest at least a cursory review so as you need info you 

 know where to go.
 the second volume deals with specific industries and has lots of 
 modeling Ideas you may be able to use.
 the third volume focuses more on business logic. though this was not 
 used in the original design it has some good things to be considered.
 
 the most accurate modeling can be found in the webtools of the version 
 of ofbiz you are using.
 https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/entitymaint
 or
 https://demo-trunk.ofbiz.apache.org/webtools/control/entityref
 
 and for documentation
 http://ofbiz.apache.org/
 and click on the documentation link.
 
 =
 BJ Freeman  http://bjfreeman.elance.com
 Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  http://
 www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
 Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
 Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
 
 Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
 
 
 Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/3/2010 10:32 AM:
  Hello BJ and other OfBiz developers,
 
  I was not subscribed to the mailing list so I did not receive the 
answer
  of BJ to my previous message -
  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-user/201009.mbox/%
 3c4c7ffc99.9020...@free-man.net%3e
  . Because of that I cannot post a response to it. Secondly, I used a 
wrong
  MIME in my previous message, so all the bullets and formatting were
  missing. I am reposting the original message below in the right format
  (any additional comments/opinions are welcome). In addition, my 
response
  to BJ follows. Sorry for the mess I created.
 
  Hi BJ,
 
  Thank you for your prompt response. I think I've got the general idea. 
I
  still would like to ask a question about learning OfBiz:
  The three volumes of the data model book comprise about 1700 pages
  together. Should I use the book as a reference or do I have to read 
all
  the three volumes before starting my work on OfBiz ? Which parts of 
the
  book are required before I begin my work ?
 
  Thanks  Regards,
  Vadim
 
 
 
 
  My original message:
  
 
===
  Hello OfBiz developers,
 
  My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the
  UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium 
European
  project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services 
and
  devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home 
for
  senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software 
developers
  - have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore
  http://universaal.org/index.php?
 option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
  . This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and 
devices
  for Ambient Assisted Living.
 
  We consider using OfBiz for implementation of uStore.
 
  I would like to ask you several questions about the features we want 
to
  implement. I would be glad to hear any information you can tell me 
about
  how hard could it be for us to implement these features. Please note 
that
  we have no prior experience with OfBiz.
 
  Any your thoughts, intuition, experience, advice about OfBiz/business
  programming are welcome.
 
  In particular, the following information would help us very much :
  How much work should be done by us in order to implement all the 
features
  that follow (Person/Months, Person/Years, for skilled OfBiz
  developers/general software engineers). Which part would be to use
  existing extension mechanisms of OfBiz and which part would be 
actually
  changing the OfBiz code ? Here your intuition/experience from related
  projects is welcome, we do not need exact numbers, just a ballpark.
  How much time the general software developers have to learn about 
OfBiz
  and how skilled in OfBiz  they should become in order to implement 
these
  features
 
   E-commerce website features:
  Using e-commerce site for selling software (such as AppStore of 
iPhone)
  and downloadable files in general (video, presentations of courses 
etc.).
  Here the issue is to manage links where the bought files could be
  downloaded. The idea is to prevent a situation in which buyers would 
buy a
  software application, receive a link to it for downloading and share 
the
  link afterwards with anybody they want, so anybody would be able to
  download the application without paying

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[David E Jones]

:
 ===
 Hello OfBiz developers,
 
 My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the 
 UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium European 
 project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services and 
 devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home for 
 senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software developers 
 - have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore 
 http://universaal.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
  
 . This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and devices 
 for Ambient Assisted Living. 
 
 We consider using OfBiz for implementation of uStore. 
 
 I would like to ask you several questions about the features we want to 
 implement. I would be glad to hear any information you can tell me about 
 how hard could it be for us to implement these features. Please note that 
 we have no prior experience with OfBiz.
 
 Any your thoughts, intuition, experience, advice about OfBiz/business 
 programming are welcome. 
 
 In particular, the following information would help us very much :
 How much work should be done by us in order to implement all the features 
 that follow (Person/Months, Person/Years, for skilled OfBiz 
 developers/general software engineers). Which part would be to use 
 existing extension mechanisms of OfBiz and which part would be actually 
 changing the OfBiz code ? Here your intuition/experience from related 
 projects is welcome, we do not need exact numbers, just a ballpark.
 How much time the general software developers have to learn about OfBiz 
 and how skilled in OfBiz  they should become in order to implement these 
 features
 
E-commerce website features:
 Using e-commerce site for selling software (such as AppStore of iPhone) 
 and downloadable files in general (video, presentations of courses etc.). 
 Here the issue is to manage links where the bought files could be 
 downloaded. The idea is to prevent a situation in which buyers would buy a 
 software application, receive a link to it for downloading and share the 
 link afterwards with anybody they want, so anybody would be able to 
 download the application without paying for it.
 Using e-commerce site for selling services (human services and others)
 Extending e-commerce site with general widgets, such as calendar, clock, 
 map, a widget for downloading files, etc., and integrating the widgets 
 with the OfBiz
 
 Integration with other websites/services:
 Integrating an e-commerce website with another (non-OfBiz backed) site - 
 adding possibility for sellers to add products to the e-commerce site via 
 the other site, to see customer feedback provided on the e-commerce site 
 via the other site
 Integrating an e-commerce website with another (possibly non-OfBiz) 
 e-commerce website, such as eBay/Amazon. What are the current 
 possibilities of integration with eBay ?
 Integrating an e-commerce website with post/delivery services/sites
 
 Adding advanced features:
 Adding support for signing business contracts between service consumers 
 and service providers, between providers of different services etc. via 
 the e-commerce site
 Adding support for applying capability/requirement model, such as  
 JSR-124,  (for example  for matching between customer's requirements and 
 capabilities of software, devices and services). The customer or software 
 agent on behalf of the customer could provide his requirements as part of 
 his account information, and the e-commerce solution would match between 
 the products (according to their capabilities) and the requirements of the 
 customers. 
 Has OfBiz a recommendation engine (providing recommendations to a user 
 based on his activity - searches, purchases, reviews etc.) ? If no, how 
 hard would it be to add it ?
 Can the OfBiz-based e-commerce web site be presented by browsers of smart 
 phones  ? How hard would it be to enable it ? 
 Changing search/recommendations of OfBiz to be based on the requirements 
 of the customer
 Changing search/recommendations of OfBiz to be based on the geolocation of 
 the customer
 Adding support for customization of products/services and changes in the 
 prices according to the customization during the purchase process
 Adding support for a composition solution of hardware, software and human 
 services (bundles, kits). A seller could compose a new product by 
 combining several existing products
 Adding support for manual approval of products by site administrators 
 before submission of the products to the e-commerce site
 Adding support for managing versions of the software applications that are 
 sold on the e-commerce website
 
 Sorry for so many questions and sorry if some of them are out of context.
 
 Best Regards,
 Vadim
 ---
 Vadim Eisenberg
 IT for Healthcare  Life

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

 for 
free. An extremely wide variety of data structures and common business 
processes are represented in the system, though many are not complete, or at 
least not complete in the way your client will want to use them.

The only way to really be sure is to document ALL business activities (usually 
easiest if organized by process and not by role or by system function), and 
then do an overlap/gap analysis to see how each business activity would be done 
in the system, or if there is not something to do it (or it is not adequate for 
what your users want) then detail what the system needs to do to help manage 
that activity. Once you've done that, then you'll know what the system can do 
for you as-is, and what needs to be done to expand and change the system to do 
what your client needs. Short of that, everything is a guess and guaranteed to 
be wrong (the only question is by how much and in which direction(s)...).

To help with that I recommend this material (this is what I use with clients):

http://www.dejc.com/home/HEMP.html

I'd also recommend looking at some of the generic business process stories that 
have come from OFBiz-based projects and been refined somewhat over the years 
(though keep in mind that these stories in some places represent activities 
that are not managed by OOTB OFBiz, ie these need an overlap/gap analysis 
document to make them more meaningful):

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBREQDES/Universal+Business+Process+Library+Index

Best of luck,
-David


On Sep 3, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Vadim Eisenberg wrote:


Hello BJ and other OfBiz developers,

I was not subscribed to the mailing list so I did not receive the answer
of BJ to my previous message -
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ofbiz-user/201009.mbox/%3c4c7ffc99.9020...@free-man.net%3e
. Because of that I cannot post a response to it. Secondly, I used a wrong
MIME in my previous message, so all the bullets and formatting were
missing. I am reposting the original message below in the right format
(any additional comments/opinions are welcome). In addition, my response
to BJ follows. Sorry for the mess I created.

Hi BJ,

Thank you for your prompt response. I think I've got the general idea. I
still would like to ask a question about learning OfBiz:
The three volumes of the data model book comprise about 1700 pages
together. Should I use the book as a reference or do I have to read all
the three volumes before starting my work on OfBiz ? Which parts of the
book are required before I begin my work ?

Thanks  Regards,
Vadim




My original message:
===
Hello OfBiz developers,

My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the
UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium European
project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services and
devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home for
senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software developers
- have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore
http://universaal.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
. This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and devices
for Ambient Assisted Living.

We consider using OfBiz for implementation of uStore.

I would like to ask you several questions about the features we want to
implement. I would be glad to hear any information you can tell me about
how hard could it be for us to implement these features. Please note that
we have no prior experience with OfBiz.

Any your thoughts, intuition, experience, advice about OfBiz/business
programming are welcome.

In particular, the following information would help us very much :
How much work should be done by us in order to implement all the features
that follow (Person/Months, Person/Years, for skilled OfBiz
developers/general software engineers). Which part would be to use
existing extension mechanisms of OfBiz and which part would be actually
changing the OfBiz code ? Here your intuition/experience from related
projects is welcome, we do not need exact numbers, just a ballpark.
How much time the general software developers have to learn about OfBiz
and how skilled in OfBiz  they should become in order to implement these
features

E-commerce website features:
Using e-commerce site for selling software (such as AppStore of iPhone)
and downloadable files in general (video, presentations of courses etc.).
Here the issue is to manage links where the bought files could be
downloaded. The idea is to prevent a situation in which buyers would buy a
software application, receive a link to it for downloading and share the
link afterwards with anybody they want, so anybody would be able to
download the application without paying for it.
Using e-commerce site for selling services (human services and others)
Extending e-commerce site with general widgets

Re: OfBiz e-commerce customization

[BJ Freeman]

it would take a long time to answer all your questions in detail.
My opinions:
In general most developers that come to ofbiz attempt to use what they 
know to apply to ofbiz. I have found taking fresh minds that have not 
invested in one form or another of programing are the easiest to learn 
ofbiz, since they don't have a lot of unlearning to-do.


Though ofbiz is Java based most application work is done with Widgets 
and FTL for UI with minilanq and groovy for interacting with the data.

Unless you are getting into the Framework, there is not much Java used.

It would benefit you to get the three volumes of the data model book in 
the book section of the ofbiz site.


about 2/3 of what you listed is possible OTTB, about a 1/3 will take 
man months to implement.


an example of adding is your contracts.
there is Agreements data structure already in place, as is Requirements.
However you will need to implement the particular business logic to 
marry them and create contracts.






=

BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation  
http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52
Specialtymarket.com  http://www.specialtymarket.com/
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist

Chat  Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Vadim Eisenberg sent the following on 9/2/2010 11:19 AM:





Hello OfBiz developers,

My name is Vadim Eisenberg and I work at IBM Research - Haifa, on the
UniversAAL project - http://universaal.org/. It is a consortium European
project. Its goal is to create a platform for applications, services and
devices for Ambient Assisted Living, that is a kind of Smart Home for
senior citizens. As part of the platform, we - several software developers
- have to develop an e-commerce site - uStore
http://universaal.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=9Itemid=21
  . This site would be a one-stop-shop for software, services and devices
for Ambient Assisted Living.

We consider using OfBiz for implementation of uStore.

I would like to ask you several questions about the features we want to
implement. I would be glad to hear any information you can tell me about
how hard could it be for us to implement these features. Please note that
we have no prior experience with OfBiz.

Any your thoughts, intuition, experience, advice about OfBiz/business
programming are welcome.

In particular, the following information would help us very much :
How much work should be done by us in order to implement all the
features that follow (Person/Months, Person/Years, for skilled OfBiz
developers/general software engineers). Which part would be to use
existing extension mechanisms of OfBiz and which part would be
actually changing the OfBiz code ? Here your intuition/experience from
related projects is welcome, we do not need exact numbers, just a
ballpark.
How much time the general software developers have to learn about OfBiz
and how skilled in OfBiz  they should become in order to implement these
features

 E-commerce website features:
Using e-commerce site for selling software (such as AppStore of iPhone)
and downloadable files in general (video, presentations of courses
etc.). Here the issue is to manage links where the bought files could be
downloaded. The idea is to prevent a situation in which buyers would buy
a software application, receive a link to it for downloading and share
the link afterwards with anybody they want, so anybody would be able to
download the application without paying for it.
Using e-commerce site for selling services (human services and others)
Extending e-commerce site with general widgets, such as calendar, clock,
map, a widget for downloading files, etc., and integrating the widgets
with the OfBiz

Integration with other websites/services:
Integrating an e-commerce website with another (non-OfBiz backed) site -
adding possibility for sellers to add products to the e-commerce site
via the other site, to see customer feedback provided on the e-commerce
site via the other site
Integrating an e-commerce website with another (possibly non-OfBiz)
e-commerce website, such as eBay/Amazon. What are the current
possibilities of integration with eBay ?
Integrating an e-commerce website with post/delivery services/sites

Adding advanced features:
Adding support for signing business contracts between service consumers
and service providers, between providers of different services etc. via
the e-commerce site
Adding support for applying capability/requirement model, such as
JSR-124,  (for example  for matching between customer's requirements and
capabilities of software, devices and services). The customer or
software agent on behalf of the customer could provide his requirements
as part of his account information, and the e-commerce solution would
match between the products

Re: Mobile E-Commerce

[Jacques Le Roux]

Ha, so finally you was serious. The real world is full of surprises, this is 
what makes it so exciting.
This said it's a very specific case, since it was piloting. Driving would be the same, but it has to be a feature of the software. 
OFBiz is not at this level yet ;o)


Thanks for the tip though!

Jacques

From: BJ Freeman bjf...@free-man.net

it is extreme I know, but let me tell you a real story.
we manufactured a Pilot for boats.
all over the equipment we have tags that states it requires a constant 
attention of a human when in use.
the Pilot is so accurate you can set it, miles, out in the sea and it would get 
you were you want.
Many single fisherman would set the pilot and a alarm clock and wake enough time to navigate the ship the last few mile or so into 
harbor.

Well one such person did this but did not wake up and his ship ran into the 
marina, damaging a lot of vessels.
His lawyer saw a chance to go after a large source of money and sued us, under product liability that it did not stop the 
fisherman from using it that way.

He lost but it took time and money to defend. Way more than what we sold the 
pilot to him for.

So the lawyer's advice, who has been our legal adviser for decades, was I would have to have so much liability insurance against 
such possibilities.

It was more than I felt I would make on a yearly basis for that feature.


Scott Gray sent the following on 7/28/2010 2:37 PM:

Haha, you've gotta be making that up.

Regards
Scott

On 29/07/2010, at 8:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:

Lawyer advised against it with our current federal and state laws about using hand held devices with driving, under the product 
liability of the software.


Scott. sent the following on 7/28/2010 10:57 AM:


Have any of the devs/service providers here tackled a fully fledged mobile
e-commerce site for iphone/blackberry/wm/droid, etc? It seems it's going to
be an essential part of business for anyone selling B2C.

Thanks.

Re: Mobile E-Commerce

[BJ Freeman]

Lawyer advised against it with our current federal and state laws about 
using hand held devices with driving, under the product liability of the 
software.


Scott. sent the following on 7/28/2010 10:57 AM:


Have any of the devs/service providers here tackled a fully fledged mobile
e-commerce site for iphone/blackberry/wm/droid, etc? It seems it's going to
be an essential part of business for anyone selling B2C.

Thanks.

Re: Mobile E-Commerce

[Scott Gray]

Haha, you've gotta be making that up.

Regards
Scott

On 29/07/2010, at 8:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:

 Lawyer advised against it with our current federal and state laws about using 
 hand held devices with driving, under the product liability of the software.
 
 Scott. sent the following on 7/28/2010 10:57 AM:
 
 Have any of the devs/service providers here tackled a fully fledged mobile
 e-commerce site for iphone/blackberry/wm/droid, etc? It seems it's going to
 be an essential part of business for anyone selling B2C.
 
 Thanks.



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature

Re: Mobile E-Commerce

[Jacques Le Roux]

:D (I was not sure it was a joke, subtle ;o)

Jacques

From: Scott Gray scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com
Haha, you've gotta be making that up.

Regards
Scott

On 29/07/2010, at 8:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:

Lawyer advised against it with our current federal and state laws about using hand held devices with driving, under the product 
liability of the software.


Scott. sent the following on 7/28/2010 10:57 AM:


Have any of the devs/service providers here tackled a fully fledged mobile
e-commerce site for iphone/blackberry/wm/droid, etc? It seems it's going to
be an essential part of business for anyone selling B2C.

Thanks.

Re: Mobile E-Commerce

[BJ Freeman]

it is extreme I know, but let me tell you a real story.
we manufactured a Pilot for boats.
all over the equipment we have tags that states it requires a constant 
attention of a human when in use.
the Pilot is so accurate you can set it, miles, out in the sea and it 
would get you were you want.
Many single fisherman would set the pilot and a alarm clock and wake 
enough time to navigate the ship the last few mile or so into harbor.
Well one such person did this but did not wake up and his ship ran into 
the marina, damaging a lot of vessels.
His lawyer saw a chance to go after a large source of money and sued us, 
under product liability that it did not stop the fisherman from using it 
that way.
He lost but it took time and money to defend. Way more than what we sold 
the pilot to him for.


So the lawyer's advice, who has been our legal adviser for decades, was 
I would have to have so much liability insurance against such possibilities.

It was more than I felt I would make on a yearly basis for that feature.


Scott Gray sent the following on 7/28/2010 2:37 PM:

Haha, you've gotta be making that up.

Regards
Scott

On 29/07/2010, at 8:57 AM, BJ Freeman wrote:


Lawyer advised against it with our current federal and state laws about using 
hand held devices with driving, under the product liability of the software.

Scott. sent the following on 7/28/2010 10:57 AM:


Have any of the devs/service providers here tackled a fully fledged mobile
e-commerce site for iphone/blackberry/wm/droid, etc? It seems it's going to
be an essential part of business for anyone selling B2C.

Thanks.

Re: Mobile E-Commerce

[Scott.]

In all honesty BJ, your lawyer ought to be strung up by the nuts. This is
what Internet Retailer reported this morning;

The Urgency of Mobile Commerce for E-Retailers

These facts that should be an urgent wake-up call for Internet retailers on
the need to add mobile commerce sites and apps to their online retail
businesses. 
 
There are now 60 million web-enabled smartphones in the U.S., double the
number of one year ago. 
 
At the end of last year, smartphones accounted for 21% of cell phones in the
U.S. and by the end of Q1 of this year they accounted for 29%, according to
the Nielsen Company. Nielsen projects that by the third quarter of next
year, smartphones will outnumber conventional cell phones. 
 
Traffic at m-commerce sites is up more than 50% in the first half of this
year, and the number of mobile commerce sites is now growing so fast, it’s
hard to keep track of the number. 
 
Sales are booming at m-commerce sites. Last week, Internet Retailer reported
that Amazon booked more than $1 billion in mobile commerce sales in the last
12 months. 

If we as internet retailers want to stay relevant, this is a priority.

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Re: Mobile E-Commerce

[Shi Jinghai]

Not difficult. You can use the user-agent in http header to redirect the
visits from mobile to suitable websites. Here is an iphone's user-agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_2 like Mac OS X; en-us)
AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7D11
Safari/528.16

Regards,

Shi Jinghai/Beijing Langhua Ltd.

在 2010-07-28三的 10:57 -0700，Scott.写道：
 Have any of the devs/service providers here tackled a fully fledged mobile
 e-commerce site for iphone/blackberry/wm/droid, etc? It seems it's going to
 be an essential part of business for anyone selling B2C. 
 
 Thanks.

Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[kaliagaurav]

Thanks for quick replies.

I would like to describe more about my needs: 

I need to create two different ecommerce application.

I used default ecommerce application and done some changes in UI
successfully. 

But now I need to create another ecommerce application.

As I have spent some time on doing UI changes I have some idea about it but
I am still not sure about the changes that needs be done to create a new
ecommerce application (exactly similar to the default ecommerce but
different databases). So that both the ecommerce application will be
different from each other.

I need a way to create another ecommerce application so that I will be able
to add product from admin area and will be able to change the UI.

Please suggest me the possible way to achieve this.

TIA

Regards
Gaurav
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Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[BJ Freeman]

you only need a seperate database if the person using it is not the same
 company that has the other website. if you do have seperate company
then you should use the multitenacy feature that was just develope by David.
either way you use the ecomnclone as an example of how to create a
separate website.
it uses the same controller and webapp, but you can add changed files to
 then eclone webapp or just make it have it own product store.

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kaliagaurav sent the following on 5/10/2010 7:15 AM:
 Thanks for quick replies.
 
 I would like to describe more about my needs: 
 
 I need to create two different ecommerce application.
 
 I used default ecommerce application and done some changes in UI
 successfully. 
 
 But now I need to create another ecommerce application.
 
 As I have spent some time on doing UI changes I have some idea about it but
 I am still not sure about the changes that needs be done to create a new
 ecommerce application (exactly similar to the default ecommerce but
 different databases). So that both the ecommerce application will be
 different from each other.
 
 I need a way to create another ecommerce application so that I will be able
 to add product from admin area and will be able to change the UI.
 
 Please suggest me the possible way to achieve this.
 
 TIA
 
 Regards
 Gaurav

Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[kaliagaurav]

Thanks Freeman.

I am a novice it will be great you can give me some documentation link if
you dont mind so that I can read the process on which you are guiding me. 

TIA

Regards
Gaurav
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Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[BJ Freeman]

Ruth Hoffman has a book on ecommerce.
I have not read it so not sure what it supports.
you can find her on the mailing list.
The source code is the best documentation, other than that.


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kaliagaurav sent the following on 5/10/2010 8:01 AM:
 Thanks Freeman.
 
 I am a novice it will be great you can give me some documentation link if
 you dont mind so that I can read the process on which you are guiding me. 
 
 TIA
 
 Regards
 Gaurav

Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[Gaurav Kalia]

Hi All

I am a beginner and hence following the beginners guide to create a new 
e commerce  project.


I am following the below link to create a new project.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide

I have followed all the steps (may be i missed something ) but still its 
not working.


when I enter the URL in browser i get this 404 error

_The requested resource (/practice/control/main/) is not available._

Please suggest


Regards
Gaurav

Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[BJ Freeman]

the tutorial your following is to create an application, not modify
ecommerce.
not sure there is one specific for ecommerce.
you need to work with the specialpurpose/ecommerce folder.


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Gaurav Kalia sent the following on 5/6/2010 3:19 AM:
 Hi All
 
 I am a beginner and hence following the beginners guide to create a new
 e commerce  project.
 
 I am following the below link to create a new project.
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide
 
 
 I have followed all the steps (may be i missed something ) but still its
 not working.
 
 when I enter the URL in browser i get this 404 error
 
 _The requested resource (/practice/control/main/) is not available._
 
 Please suggest
 
 
 Regards
 Gaurav
 

Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[Gaurav Kalia]

I found the problem, problem is some configuration param are missing so 
i added them in web.xml.


My new project is running now.

But I have another question :)

Can I copy ecommerce folder to hotdeploy in order to create a exactly 
same copy of ecommerce for a very new different project.


Please suggest

Thanks
Gaurav

On Thursday 06 May 2010 03:49 PM, Gaurav Kalia wrote:

Hi All

I am a beginner and hence following the beginners guide to create a 
new e commerce  project.


I am following the below link to create a new project.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide

I have followed all the steps (may be i missed something ) but still 
its not working.


when I enter the URL in browser i get this 404 error

_The requested resource (/practice/control/main/) is not available._

Please suggest


Regards
Gaurav

Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[Rishi Solanki]

Gaurav,
It is not good idea to have whole component copy, for this you need to just
include the ecommerce controller and change the mount point in
ofbiz-component will works same for you as copying the whole component.
Please refer the Practice Application to do so.
Doing this you will be able to separate your code from existing ecommerce
application.

Rishi Solanki
Manager, Enterprise Software Development
HotWax Media Pvt. Ltd.
Direct: +91-9893287847
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Gaurav Kalia gaurav.ka...@techblue.co.ukwrote:

 I found the problem, problem is some configuration param are missing so i
 added them in web.xml.

 My new project is running now.

 But I have another question :)

 Can I copy ecommerce folder to hotdeploy in order to create a exactly same
 copy of ecommerce for a very new different project.

 Please suggest

 Thanks
 Gaurav


 On Thursday 06 May 2010 03:49 PM, Gaurav Kalia wrote:

 Hi All

 I am a beginner and hence following the beginners guide to create a new e
 commerce  project.

 I am following the below link to create a new project.


 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide

 I have followed all the steps (may be i missed something ) but still its
 not working.

 when I enter the URL in browser i get this 404 error

 _The requested resource (/practice/control/main/) is not available._

 Please suggest


 Regards
 Gaurav

Re: Facing Problem while creating a New E commerce Project

[BJ Freeman]

if you are talking about the hot-deploy in ofbiz yes that is the
preferred way to do major mods to the code.
however if it is more look and feel then you can just create a new
visual theme, which is not located in the eccomerce component.


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Gaurav Kalia sent the following on 5/6/2010 6:54 AM:
 I found the problem, problem is some configuration param are missing so
 i added them in web.xml.
 
 My new project is running now.
 
 But I have another question :)
 
 Can I copy ecommerce folder to hotdeploy in order to create a exactly
 same copy of ecommerce for a very new different project.
 
 Please suggest
 
 Thanks
 Gaurav
 
 On Thursday 06 May 2010 03:49 PM, Gaurav Kalia wrote:
 Hi All

 I am a beginner and hence following the beginners guide to create a
 new e commerce  project.

 I am following the below link to create a new project.

 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Tutorial+-+A+Beginners+Development+Guide


 I have followed all the steps (may be i missed something ) but still
 its not working.

 when I enter the URL in browser i get this 404 error

 _The requested resource (/practice/control/main/) is not available._

 Please suggest


 Regards
 Gaurav
 
 

Re: e-commerce affiliate programs

[Jacques Le Roux]

Yes, it's possible but not OOTB, you would have to assemble existing pieces. I 
let you track them, should not be too hard.

Jacques
From: Varun Bhansaly vbhans...@gmail.com

Hi,

I am evaluating a variety of ecommerce engines like magento, spree,
oscommerce  of cource ofbiz e-commerce.
There would be variety of promotions as well as affiliate programs, for eg.
”
Refer a friend. An email will be sent to the friend(s) and offer them a YY
discount voucher off their first order.
If they place an order, referrer account will be credited with £XX to use on
next order.
”

Please let me know if its possible to implement such scenario, if yes then
please let me know as to how to configure the same in ofbiz e-commerce OR
the amount of customization required, so that i can evaluate the user
friendliness  ease of configuration.

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