Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Dakota Jack wrote: Newton, you remind me of a 13 year old girl. Ooo, guess I'd better watch my back then, huh. Have you ever said anything worth reading? I'll assume that's rhetorical, since only others could answer that. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
If you leave out the substance of a conversation to say something that is so dark that no one can figure out what it means, then you have truly, truly reached the apex of the natural curve to your career, Newton. Congratulations. Would you care to say something about the issues Jonathan has raised? If not, on this thread I am done with you and want to thank you for providing an example of those who support the coding that has taken place the last few years on Struts. The committers can be proud to have you as their spokesperson. On 3/28/06, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dakota Jack wrote: Newton, you remind me of a 13 year old girl. Ooo, guess I'd better watch my back then, huh. Have you ever said anything worth reading? I'll assume that's rhetorical, since only others could answer that. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~
maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you. And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because this is a public list)... ... this is sh** is getting personal now. Who the f*** do you think you are? You must be one ill-bred little f***. I don't have to give you any feedback on your lame-a** website. I don't have to give you anything. I don't owe you or any of your cohorts a f***ing thing. If you want to start maintaining human standards of behavior, the next time somebody gives you any feedback on your work, here's what you should say: Thank you. I guess nobody ever taught you that. Do you know how bad I made you look there? I hope I completely humiliated you. If you f*** with me any more, I'll humiliate you some more. People like you are very very bad for open source. Some people's first experience of an open source project is something like Struts full of arrogant little a**-licking toady bastards like you. F*** you, you contemptible little sh**. Now that that's off my chest, I shall forever send your replies to / dev/null. Have a wonderful day. -- James Mitchell P.S. Thank you On Mar 27, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Jonathan Revusky wrote: Emmanouil Batsis wrote: Jonathan Revusky wrote: Struts has also fallen further and further behind technically in its space. (This has what has led to the Webwork merger so that the Struts umbrella could offer something reasonably up-to-date.) [Note: This is not a reply to Jonathan personally] Yes, note that I am actually not the best qualified person to answer this. Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. They decided to abandon work on Struts 1.x and bring Webwork over here and work on that. So they really should be the ones to answer your question. However, one gets the sense that they don't want to answer such questions I keep seeing posts claiming Struts Action/Classic is technically old etc etc; is there a resource available summarizing how exactly this is true? It did not take me long using google to find the following page: http://wiki.opensymphony.com/display/WW/Comparison+to+Struts Of course, that list was surely worked up by the Webwork people and is thus, not from an unbiased source. Still, I would suppose that the points there are truthful. In any case, the fact is that the Struts developers have decided that they prefer to move the Webwork code over here and work on that, so they have accepted that Webwork is better. I think that has to be taken at face value, since, you'd think that most people in their situation would prefer to have a tooth extracted rather than accept that their work is inferior. But that is what happened. Regards, Jonathan Revusky -- lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ FreeMarker group blog, http://freemarker.blogspot.com/ Thanks, Manos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
On 3/27/06, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you. And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because this is a public list)... skipped First, why replying in public list? Then, who said what exactly? (would be interesting to know, since you offloaded this pile into a public list). And the bitch is: does not SAF2 start smooth, considering that FreeMarker is the default view technology for WebWork 2.2. Everybody dance now! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
On 3/27/06, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, why replying in public list? Then, who said what exactly? (would be interesting to know, since you offloaded this pile into a public list). Personally, I'm not interested, and I'm dev/nulling the whole thread. But, then I don't rubberneck at traffic collisions either :) -T. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
*rotflmao* That's beautiful! I kinda wish _I_ would have gotten that response, though :( James Mitchell wrote: [ Jonathon's well-reasoned response ;] You just brightened my day _considerably_! Thanks :D Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
On 3/27/06, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Mitchell wrote: [ Jonathon's well-reasoned response ;] So the whole thing was Jonathan's monologue? In this case I admire his breadth of writing styles. I am still wondering how the whole merger will work out with FreeMarker being default view technology for WebWork. By the way, I got an email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] address with the message This email has triggered the content filter for appearing to violate the PROFANITY policy. All I did is I used bi*ch word (this is how they call lady dogs, aren't they?). Big brother is watching... Michael. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Michael Jouravlev wrote: On 3/27/06, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you. And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because this is a public list)... skipped First, why replying in public list? I can't answer that one. James Mitchell is the one who put this note up in public. I think it was a very bad idea on his part. Then, who said what exactly? Well, I can clarify this part somewhat. The part that begins with: this is sh** is getting personal now. and ends with: F*** you, you contemptible little sh**. was a private message from me to James Mitchell. This was after he insulted me as a result of my offering honest feedback on the struts.apache.org page. The message was, of course, not meant to appear on this list. However, I stand by it completely. People like James Mitchell (and certain others here) are a terrible thing for open source. I already expressed in public separately that, if somebody gives you feedback on your work, you thank them. If that is not written anywhere as part of the Apache Way it should be. (would be interesting to know, since you offloaded this pile into a public list). And the bitch is: does not SAF2 start smooth, considering that FreeMarker is the default view technology for WebWork 2.2. Well, FreeMarker has a license that is basically the same BSD-style license that ASF uses. There is no requirement there for anybody who uses this work to share my political views. Actually, they don't even have to like my guts. :-) Regards, Jonathan Revusky -- lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ Everybody dance now! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Jonathan Revusky wrote: I think it was a very bad idea on his part. Of course _you_ do, you foul-mouthed little boy! _I_ think it was great :D I'm _still_ all a-giggle! Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys? Does Jonathan represent the viewpoint of the WW2 developers that are coming on board? Seriously I'd rather use Spring, Wicket or Rife than use something made by people like this guy. On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Jouravlev wrote: On 3/27/06, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you. And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because this is a public list)... skipped First, why replying in public list? I can't answer that one. James Mitchell is the one who put this note up in public. I think it was a very bad idea on his part. Then, who said what exactly? Well, I can clarify this part somewhat. The part that begins with: this is sh** is getting personal now. and ends with: F*** you, you contemptible little sh**. was a private message from me to James Mitchell. This was after he -- Ghetto Java: http://www.ghettojava.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
On 3/27/06, Vinny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys? Several of them have already spoken up ... on the dev list, where it belongs, where stuff gets decided. Craig
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Wow... as far as a George Carlin sketch goes, that's grand! ...arrogant little a**-licking toady bastards... Hehe, I gotta remember that one. I think toady makes it special :) Frank James Mitchell wrote: Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you. And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because this is a public list)... ... this is sh** is getting personal now. Who the f*** do you think you are? You must be one ill-bred little f***. I don't have to give you any feedback on your lame-a** website. I don't have to give you anything. I don't owe you or any of your cohorts a f***ing thing. If you want to start maintaining human standards of behavior, the next time somebody gives you any feedback on your work, here's what you should say: Thank you. I guess nobody ever taught you that. Do you know how bad I made you look there? I hope I completely humiliated you. If you f*** with me any more, I'll humiliate you some more. People like you are very very bad for open source. Some people's first experience of an open source project is something like Struts full of arrogant little a**-licking toady bastards like you. F*** you, you contemptible little sh**. Now that that's off my chest, I shall forever send your replies to /dev/null. Have a wonderful day. -- James Mitchell P.S. Thank you On Mar 27, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Jonathan Revusky wrote: Emmanouil Batsis wrote: Jonathan Revusky wrote: Struts has also fallen further and further behind technically in its space. (This has what has led to the Webwork merger so that the Struts umbrella could offer something reasonably up-to-date.) [Note: This is not a reply to Jonathan personally] Yes, note that I am actually not the best qualified person to answer this. Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. They decided to abandon work on Struts 1.x and bring Webwork over here and work on that. So they really should be the ones to answer your question. However, one gets the sense that they don't want to answer such questions I keep seeing posts claiming Struts Action/Classic is technically old etc etc; is there a resource available summarizing how exactly this is true? It did not take me long using google to find the following page: http://wiki.opensymphony.com/display/WW/Comparison+to+Struts Of course, that list was surely worked up by the Webwork people and is thus, not from an unbiased source. Still, I would suppose that the points there are truthful. In any case, the fact is that the Struts developers have decided that they prefer to move the Webwork code over here and work on that, so they have accepted that Webwork is better. I think that has to be taken at face value, since, you'd think that most people in their situation would prefer to have a tooth extracted rather than accept that their work is inferior. But that is what happened. Regards, Jonathan Revusky -- lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ FreeMarker group blog, http://freemarker.blogspot.com/ Thanks, Manos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Vinny wrote: Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys? Does Jonathan represent the viewpoint of the WW2 developers that are coming on board? Actually, I'm not a WW2 developer. However, FreeMarker is used pretty centrally in WW2 and FreeMarker currently is largely my fault. Seriously I'd rather use Spring, Wicket or Rife than use something made by people like this guy. Yeah, it's terrible. Just so you guys can make better informed technical decisions, I'll disclose some more things about myself. I have terrible table manners, you know. I chew with my mouth open. There is this horrendous slurping sound I make when I eat my soup. It empties entire restaurants. People run out of there screaming. Also, I'm a world class belcher and farter. Knowing all this, I don't think anybody in their right mind would want to use any software I wrote. Amazingly, some people still do. But yes, I think it is only fair to disclose the above things, so that people can make the right technical decisions. Regards, Jonathan Revusky -- lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ On 3/27/06, Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Jouravlev wrote: On 3/27/06, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you. And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because this is a public list)... skipped First, why replying in public list? I can't answer that one. James Mitchell is the one who put this note up in public. I think it was a very bad idea on his part. Then, who said what exactly? Well, I can clarify this part somewhat. The part that begins with: this is sh** is getting personal now. and ends with: F*** you, you contemptible little sh**. was a private message from me to James Mitchell. This was after he -- Ghetto Java: http://www.ghettojava.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey? Larry On 3/27/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/27/06, Vinny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys? Several of them have already spoken up ... on the dev list, where it belongs, where stuff gets decided. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/27/06, Larry Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey? You mean the WW2 guys? All the ones I've met are first class citizens. By the way, Jonathan is *not* a WW2 committer -- he's involved in Freemarker. Larry Craig
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Larry Meadors wrote: So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey? Larry, Craig brought up the issue of whether certain content was off-topic for the list, but what about something like your comment here, which simply has no content and there is no attempt for it to have any content. At least in the private message to James, I was telling him something pretty directly. He really made me angry. But this message is just the equivalent of giving somebody the raspberry because you lack the wherewithal to say anything -- political, technical, satirical, or anything. Just nothing! This whole current situation arose from a guy who is on the Struts PMC, BTW, posting a private message on this list! I mean, you just don't do that! Yet I see it already. You're going to twist it into saying that *this* discussion is *my* fault. Are you guys all real people? Or did you all escape off the pages of a comic book or something? You don't quite seem 3-dimensional Jonathan Revusky -- lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ P.S. Larry, why did Struts development stagnate? Larry On 3/27/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/27/06, Vinny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe it's time we heard from the WW2 guys? Several of them have already spoken up ... on the dev list, where it belongs, where stuff gets decided. Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Newton, you remind me of a 13 year old girl. Why don't you offer something worthwhile once in your life. Have you ever said anything worth reading? Please take your giggling and your curtesying elsewhere. And, leave the little boys alone. On 3/27/06, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonathan Revusky wrote: I think it was a very bad idea on his part. Of course _you_ do, you foul-mouthed little boy! _I_ think it was great :D I'm _still_ all a-giggle! Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
Don't complain about the content of the list again, Mitchell. You don't have the fortitude to respond to questiona about the failure of Struts even though you are an active committer and you complain about this thread, and yet, like most of the complainers about the thread, you take it down this path. Why not just address the issues? Why not? Why? On 3/27/06, James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. It _is_ an invalid question, that's why everyone is ignoring you. And now, I'd like to respond to you with your own words, from your own not-so-kind off list response to me (of course, censored because this is a public list)... ... this is sh** is getting personal now. Who the f*** do you think you are? You must be one ill-bred little f***. I don't have to give you any feedback on your lame-a** website. I don't have to give you anything. I don't owe you or any of your cohorts a f***ing thing. If you want to start maintaining human standards of behavior, the next time somebody gives you any feedback on your work, here's what you should say: Thank you. I guess nobody ever taught you that. Do you know how bad I made you look there? I hope I completely humiliated you. If you f*** with me any more, I'll humiliate you some more. People like you are very very bad for open source. Some people's first experience of an open source project is something like Struts full of arrogant little a**-licking toady bastards like you. F*** you, you contemptible little sh**. Now that that's off my chest, I shall forever send your replies to / dev/null. Have a wonderful day. -- James Mitchell P.S. Thank you On Mar 27, 2006, at 2:53 PM, Jonathan Revusky wrote: Emmanouil Batsis wrote: Jonathan Revusky wrote: Struts has also fallen further and further behind technically in its space. (This has what has led to the Webwork merger so that the Struts umbrella could offer something reasonably up-to-date.) [Note: This is not a reply to Jonathan personally] Yes, note that I am actually not the best qualified person to answer this. Now, it's obviously a valid question that Struts developers should answer. They decided to abandon work on Struts 1.x and bring Webwork over here and work on that. So they really should be the ones to answer your question. However, one gets the sense that they don't want to answer such questions I keep seeing posts claiming Struts Action/Classic is technically old etc etc; is there a resource available summarizing how exactly this is true? It did not take me long using google to find the following page: http://wiki.opensymphony.com/display/WW/Comparison+to+Struts Of course, that list was surely worked up by the Webwork people and is thus, not from an unbiased source. Still, I would suppose that the points there are truthful. In any case, the fact is that the Struts developers have decided that they prefer to move the Webwork code over here and work on that, so they have accepted that Webwork is better. I think that has to be taken at face value, since, you'd think that most people in their situation would prefer to have a tooth extracted rather than accept that their work is inferior. But that is what happened. Regards, Jonathan Revusky -- lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/ FreeMarker group blog, http://freemarker.blogspot.com/ Thanks, Manos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
So Craig now has committer rights on who is a first class citizen? Quite frankly, I thought Craig would at least defend the people he put in place and the people who tore down the house with some excuses other than we had to make bad code because we are genius's. But, rather than do that, he continues to act as if he is lead something. As far as I am concerned, Craig is just another guy in the lineup. On 3/27/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/27/06, Larry Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey? You mean the WW2 guys? All the ones I've met are first class citizens. By the way, Jonathan is *not* a WW2 committer -- he's involved in Freemarker. Larry Craig -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~
Re: maintaining human standards [was Re: [FRIDAY] Re: has struts reached the saturation]
This is on topic? What about the substantive question, Craig, that you quizzically said was WILDLY off topic. Do you even care to appear consistent? On 3/27/06, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/27/06, Larry Meadors [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So...are any of the others as bad as this butt-monkey? You mean the WW2 guys? All the ones I've met are first class citizens. By the way, Jonathan is *not* a WW2 committer -- he's involved in Freemarker. Larry Craig -- You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back. ~Dakota Jack~
