AW: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[S . Brüseke - proIO GmbH]

No concern at all, just a lack of knowledge on my side. ;-) How do you mount 
the shared ScaleIO volume on the KVM host? Do you just mount it and use a 
cluster filesystem on it?
 
 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With kind regards,
 
Swen
 
Von: Alessandro Caviglione [mailto:c.alessan...@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 12:41
An: users@cloudstack.apache.org; S. Brüseke - proIO GmbH <s.brues...@proio.com>
Betreff: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
 
We too was evaluating ScaleIO on XS, now we move to KVM or Hyper-V but always 
with ScaleIO, I don't understand your concern about ScaleIO on KVM.
 
 
On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 12:32 PM, S. Brüseke - proIO GmbH <s.brues...@proio.com> 
wrote:
Hi Alessandro,

we are in the same situation with using XenServer 6.5. Besides it will not be 
patched XS6.5 has poor memory performance. We are in the middle of evaluating 
KVM with ScaleIO to get rid of XenServer in the near future. I am stuck right 
now on how to mount a ScaleIO volume do a KVM host.
Migrate all VMs will be a pain in the ass, but XenServer is not the way to go 
after all the decisions Citrix did in the past with its hypervisor.

We are more Linux related so Hyper-V is not an option for us and as far as I 
know you cannot mix Hyper-V with other hypervisors in the same zone in 
Cloudstack. But I am not sure if this limitation is still present in the latest 
stable release.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With kind regards,

Swen

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Alessandro Caviglione [mailto:c.alessan...@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 01:10
An: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Betreff: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

Hi all,
I'm also trying to find a solution, our infrastructure is based on XS6.5 that 
will not patched on meltdown and spectre so we're considering to create new 
cluster based on a different hypervisor instead of upgrade to XS7.2.
In fact, I think that all here work for a company that has a MS SPLA agreement 
in place, so my question is: since we're already paying MS Datacenter license, 
what do you think about Hyper-V under Cloudstack?
I'm trying to compare it versus KVM...


Thank you.


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com> wrote:

> Hi Dingo,
>
> That's an interesting answer to recent citrix licensing change for
> xenserver, I'll definitely keep an eye on this project!
>
> thanks!
>
>
> *Pierre-Luc DION*
> Architecte de Solution Cloud | Cloud Solutions Architect t
> 855.652.5683
>
> *CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
>
> > Good luck, Sean. It should be doable.
> > If you're buying new Intel hardware, make sure it supports the
> > invpcid
> cpu
> > flag, or buy AMD Epyc.
> > See my other recent email on the list about performance implications
> > of Meltdown.
> >
> > --
> > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> >
> > Nux!
> > www.nux.ro
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> > > To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 7 January, 2018 18:20:11
> > > Subject: RE: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> >
> > > Thanks for the reply Nux, yea we originally chose XenServer over
> > > KVM
> > because KVM
> > > didn't support all of the VM snapshot functionality of XenServer.
> > >
> > > We are evaluating switching to KVM now...  But don't have a good
> > > way of
> > moving
> > > customers over from XenServer host to KVM hosts...
> > >
> > > We are on XenServer 6.5 and with the new Spectre and Meltdown
> > vulnerabilities
> > > not being patched in 6.5...  We may accelerate the move to KVM.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:22 PM
> > > To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> > >
> > > If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then
> > > it's
> > not a bad
> > > direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
> > > On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > >
> > > Nux!
> > > www.nux.ro
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > &g

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Alessandro Caviglione]

We too was evaluating ScaleIO on XS, now we move to KVM or Hyper-V but
always with ScaleIO, I don't understand your concern about ScaleIO on KVM.


On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 12:32 PM, S. Brüseke - proIO GmbH <
s.brues...@proio.com> wrote:

> Hi Alessandro,
>
> we are in the same situation with using XenServer 6.5. Besides it will not
> be patched XS6.5 has poor memory performance. We are in the middle of
> evaluating KVM with ScaleIO to get rid of XenServer in the near future. I
> am stuck right now on how to mount a ScaleIO volume do a KVM host.
> Migrate all VMs will be a pain in the ass, but XenServer is not the way to
> go after all the decisions Citrix did in the past with its hypervisor.
>
> We are more Linux related so Hyper-V is not an option for us and as far as
> I know you cannot mix Hyper-V with other hypervisors in the same zone in
> Cloudstack. But I am not sure if this limitation is still present in the
> latest stable release.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With kind regards,
>
> Swen
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Alessandro Caviglione [mailto:c.alessan...@gmail.com]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 01:10
> An: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
>
> Hi all,
> I'm also trying to find a solution, our infrastructure is based on XS6.5
> that will not patched on meltdown and spectre so we're considering to
> create new cluster based on a different hypervisor instead of upgrade to
> XS7.2.
> In fact, I think that all here work for a company that has a MS SPLA
> agreement in place, so my question is: since we're already paying MS
> Datacenter license, what do you think about Hyper-V under Cloudstack?
> I'm trying to compare it versus KVM...
>
>
> Thank you.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dingo,
> >
> > That's an interesting answer to recent citrix licensing change for
> > xenserver, I'll definitely keep an eye on this project!
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> >
> > *Pierre-Luc DION*
> > Architecte de Solution Cloud | Cloud Solutions Architect t
> > 855.652.5683
> >
> > *CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
> > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw
> > @CloudOps_
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> >
> > > Good luck, Sean. It should be doable.
> > > If you're buying new Intel hardware, make sure it supports the
> > > invpcid
> > cpu
> > > flag, or buy AMD Epyc.
> > > See my other recent email on the list about performance implications
> > > of Meltdown.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > >
> > > Nux!
> > > www.nux.ro
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> > > > To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 7 January, 2018 18:20:11
> > > > Subject: RE: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> > >
> > > > Thanks for the reply Nux, yea we originally chose XenServer over
> > > > KVM
> > > because KVM
> > > > didn't support all of the VM snapshot functionality of XenServer.
> > > >
> > > > We are evaluating switching to KVM now...  But don't have a good
> > > > way of
> > > moving
> > > > customers over from XenServer host to KVM hosts...
> > > >
> > > > We are on XenServer 6.5 and with the new Spectre and Meltdown
> > > vulnerabilities
> > > > not being patched in 6.5...  We may accelerate the move to KVM.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro]
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:22 PM
> > > > To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> > > >
> > > > If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then
> > > > it's
> > > not a bad
> > > > direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
> > > > On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > > >
> > > > Nux!
> > > > www.nux.ro
> > > >
> 

AW: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[S . Brüseke - proIO GmbH]

Hi Alessandro,

we are in the same situation with using XenServer 6.5. Besides it will not be 
patched XS6.5 has poor memory performance. We are in the middle of evaluating 
KVM with ScaleIO to get rid of XenServer in the near future. I am stuck right 
now on how to mount a ScaleIO volume do a KVM host.
Migrate all VMs will be a pain in the ass, but XenServer is not the way to go 
after all the decisions Citrix did in the past with its hypervisor.

We are more Linux related so Hyper-V is not an option for us and as far as I 
know you cannot mix Hyper-V with other hypervisors in the same zone in 
Cloudstack. But I am not sure if this limitation is still present in the latest 
stable release.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With kind regards,

Swen

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Alessandro Caviglione [mailto:c.alessan...@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2018 01:10
An: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Betreff: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

Hi all,
I'm also trying to find a solution, our infrastructure is based on XS6.5 that 
will not patched on meltdown and spectre so we're considering to create new 
cluster based on a different hypervisor instead of upgrade to XS7.2.
In fact, I think that all here work for a company that has a MS SPLA agreement 
in place, so my question is: since we're already paying MS Datacenter license, 
what do you think about Hyper-V under Cloudstack?
I'm trying to compare it versus KVM...


Thank you.


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com> wrote:

> Hi Dingo,
>
> That's an interesting answer to recent citrix licensing change for 
> xenserver, I'll definitely keep an eye on this project!
>
> thanks!
>
>
> *Pierre-Luc DION*
> Architecte de Solution Cloud | Cloud Solutions Architect t 
> 855.652.5683
>
> *CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w cloudops.com *|* tw 
> @CloudOps_
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
>
> > Good luck, Sean. It should be doable.
> > If you're buying new Intel hardware, make sure it supports the 
> > invpcid
> cpu
> > flag, or buy AMD Epyc.
> > See my other recent email on the list about performance implications 
> > of Meltdown.
> >
> > --
> > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> >
> > Nux!
> > www.nux.ro
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> > > To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 7 January, 2018 18:20:11
> > > Subject: RE: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> >
> > > Thanks for the reply Nux, yea we originally chose XenServer over 
> > > KVM
> > because KVM
> > > didn't support all of the VM snapshot functionality of XenServer.
> > >
> > > We are evaluating switching to KVM now...  But don't have a good 
> > > way of
> > moving
> > > customers over from XenServer host to KVM hosts...
> > >
> > > We are on XenServer 6.5 and with the new Spectre and Meltdown
> > vulnerabilities
> > > not being patched in 6.5...  We may accelerate the move to KVM.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:22 PM
> > > To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> > >
> > > If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then 
> > > it's
> > not a bad
> > > direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
> > > On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > >
> > > Nux!
> > > www.nux.ro
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> > >> To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 3 January, 2018 00:53:32
> > >> Subject: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> > >
> > >> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following 
> > >> features in the Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from 
> > >> Free to Standard Edition or possibly to another hyper-visor (like 
> > >> KVM) for
> their
> > >> CloudStack environment?
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any f

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Alessandro Caviglione]

Hi all,
I'm also trying to find a solution, our infrastructure is based on XS6.5
that will not patched on meltdown and spectre so we're considering to
create new cluster based on a different hypervisor instead of upgrade to
XS7.2.
In fact, I think that all here work for a company that has a MS SPLA
agreement in place, so my question is: since we're already paying MS
Datacenter license, what do you think about Hyper-V under Cloudstack?
I'm trying to compare it versus KVM...


Thank you.


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Pierre-Luc Dion <pd...@cloudops.com> wrote:

> Hi Dingo,
>
> That's an interesting answer to recent citrix licensing change for
> xenserver, I'll definitely keep an eye on this project!
>
> thanks!
>
>
> *Pierre-Luc DION*
> Architecte de Solution Cloud | Cloud Solutions Architect
> t 855.652.5683
>
> *CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
> 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
> w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
>
> > Good luck, Sean. It should be doable.
> > If you're buying new Intel hardware, make sure it supports the invpcid
> cpu
> > flag, or buy AMD Epyc.
> > See my other recent email on the list about performance implications of
> > Meltdown.
> >
> > --
> > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> >
> > Nux!
> > www.nux.ro
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> > > To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 7 January, 2018 18:20:11
> > > Subject: RE: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> >
> > > Thanks for the reply Nux, yea we originally chose XenServer over KVM
> > because KVM
> > > didn't support all of the VM snapshot functionality of XenServer.
> > >
> > > We are evaluating switching to KVM now...  But don't have a good way of
> > moving
> > > customers over from XenServer host to KVM hosts...
> > >
> > > We are on XenServer 6.5 and with the new Spectre and Meltdown
> > vulnerabilities
> > > not being patched in 6.5...  We may accelerate the move to KVM.
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:22 PM
> > > To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > > Subject: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> > >
> > > If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then it's
> > not a bad
> > > direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
> > > On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> > >
> > > Nux!
> > > www.nux.ro
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> > >> To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, 3 January, 2018 00:53:32
> > >> Subject: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> > >
> > >> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features
> > >> in the Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to
> > >> Standard Edition or possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for
> their
> > >> CloudStack environment?
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps
> > >> we should be aware of?
> > >>
> > >> Free Edition Changes
> > >>
> > >> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
> > >>
> > >> -  No Pool High-Availability
> > >>
> > >> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
> > >>
> > >> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/
> documents/product-over
> > >> view/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > > > Sean
> >
>

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Pierre-Luc Dion]

Hi Dingo,

That's an interesting answer to recent citrix licensing change for
xenserver, I'll definitely keep an eye on this project!

thanks!


*Pierre-Luc DION*
Architecte de Solution Cloud | Cloud Solutions Architect
t 855.652.5683

*CloudOps* Votre partenaire infonuagique* | *Cloud Solutions Experts
420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6
w cloudops.com *|* tw @CloudOps_

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Nux! <n...@li.nux.ro> wrote:

> Good luck, Sean. It should be doable.
> If you're buying new Intel hardware, make sure it supports the invpcid cpu
> flag, or buy AMD Epyc.
> See my other recent email on the list about performance implications of
> Meltdown.
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> > To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, 7 January, 2018 18:20:11
> > Subject: RE: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
>
> > Thanks for the reply Nux, yea we originally chose XenServer over KVM
> because KVM
> > didn't support all of the VM snapshot functionality of XenServer.
> >
> > We are evaluating switching to KVM now...  But don't have a good way of
> moving
> > customers over from XenServer host to KVM hosts...
> >
> > We are on XenServer 6.5 and with the new Spectre and Meltdown
> vulnerabilities
> > not being patched in 6.5...  We may accelerate the move to KVM.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro]
> > Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:22 PM
> > To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> > Subject: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> >
> > If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then it's
> not a bad
> > direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
> > On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.
> >
> > --
> > Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> >
> > Nux!
> > www.nux.ro
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> >> To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 3 January, 2018 00:53:32
> >> Subject: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> >
> >> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features
> >> in the Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to
> >> Standard Edition or possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their
> >> CloudStack environment?
> >>
> >> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps
> >> we should be aware of?
> >>
> >> Free Edition Changes
> >>
> >> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
> >>
> >> -  No Pool High-Availability
> >>
> >> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
> >>
> >> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-over
> >> view/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
> >>
> >> Thanks
> > > Sean
>

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Nux!]

Good luck, Sean. It should be doable.
If you're buying new Intel hardware, make sure it supports the invpcid cpu 
flag, or buy AMD Epyc.
See my other recent email on the list about performance implications of 
Meltdown.

--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!

Nux!
www.nux.ro

- Original Message -
> From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, 7 January, 2018 18:20:11
> Subject: RE: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

> Thanks for the reply Nux, yea we originally chose XenServer over KVM because 
> KVM
> didn't support all of the VM snapshot functionality of XenServer.
> 
> We are evaluating switching to KVM now...  But don't have a good way of moving
> customers over from XenServer host to KVM hosts...
> 
> We are on XenServer 6.5 and with the new Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities
> not being patched in 6.5...  We may accelerate the move to KVM.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro]
> Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:22 PM
> To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> 
> If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then it's not a 
> bad
> direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
> On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.
> 
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
> 
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
>> To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 January, 2018 00:53:32
>> Subject: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?
> 
>> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features
>> in the Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to
>> Standard Edition or possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their
>> CloudStack environment?
>> 
>> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps
>> we should be aware of?
>> 
>> Free Edition Changes
>> 
>> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
>> 
>> -  No Pool High-Availability
>> 
>> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
>> 
>> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-over
>> view/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
>> 
>> Thanks
> > Sean

RE: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Sean Lair]

Thanks for the reply Nux, yea we originally chose XenServer over KVM because 
KVM didn't support all of the VM snapshot functionality of XenServer.

We are evaluating switching to KVM now...  But don't have a good way of moving 
customers over from XenServer host to KVM hosts...

We are on XenServer 6.5 and with the new Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities 
not being patched in 6.5...  We may accelerate the move to KVM.


-Original Message-
From: Nux! [mailto:n...@li.nux.ro] 
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2018 4:22 PM
To: users <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
Subject: Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then it's not a bad 
direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.

--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!

Nux!
www.nux.ro

- Original Message -
> From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 January, 2018 00:53:32
> Subject: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features 
> in the Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to 
> Standard Edition or possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their 
> CloudStack environment?
> 
> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps 
> we should be aware of?
> 
> Free Edition Changes
> 
> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
> 
> -  No Pool High-Availability
> 
> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
> 
> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-over
> view/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
> 
> Thanks
> Sean

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Nux!]

If you have expertise with XenServer and don't mind paying, then it's not a bad 
direction to follow. It's a nice HV.
On the long term I think KVM will be a much better solution though.

--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!

Nux!
www.nux.ro

- Original Message -
> From: "Sean Lair" <sl...@ippathways.com>
> To: "users" <users@cloudstack.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 January, 2018 00:53:32
> Subject: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features in the
> Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to Standard Edition or
> possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their CloudStack environment?
> 
> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps we 
> should
> be aware of?
> 
> Free Edition Changes
> 
> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
> 
> -  No Pool High-Availability
> 
> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
> 
> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-overview/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
> 
> Thanks
> Sean

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Outback Dingo]

On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 3:59 AM, Michael J McCafferty  wrote:
> Dingo,
>
> This was a perfectly excellent question. I had this question myself 
> and was considering asking it here. However, it is this sort of response that 
> can discourage others from asking questions. I do pay attention to this list, 
> I had this question, I googled, I spend a decent amount time on social news 
> sites and I didn’t know.
> I appreciate your contribution to the list with this information, but 
> not the attitude with which is was delivered.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike

Hi Mike

where do you discern attitude from ? when i stated pay attention 

I did state also might prove useful in the future
I simply meant watch the project to see what prevails from it is
all there was no insinuation what so ever on my part.
someone asked a question i gave a valid reply with a simple statement.
no attitude . please have more consideration before you try to
read between the lines i meant literally no offense.

pay attention meaning ... pay attention to the project and see
where it goes. not anything more or less.

so many things pop up and dont deliver though XOA seems quite viable..
and they are behind it. as is is also a community project
overall they (we) need help.

so grab a shovel and pitch in and lets get back to business.

>
> **
> Michael J. McCafferty
> CEO
> M5 Hosting, Inc.
> http://www.m5hosting.com 
>
> Inc. 5000 America’s Fastest Growing Companies, 2017
> **
>
>
>
>
>> On Jan 2, 2018, at 11:32 PM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
>>
>> pay attention    might prove useful in the future
>> https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/introducing-xcp-ng/
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Sean Lair  wrote:
>>> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features in 
>>> the Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to Standard 
>>> Edition or possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their CloudStack 
>>> environment?
>>>
>>> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps we 
>>> should be aware of?
>>>
>>> Free Edition Changes
>>>
>>> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
>>>
>>> -  No Pool High-Availability
>>>
>>> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
>>>
>>> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-overview/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sean
>

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Michael J McCafferty]

Dingo,

This was a perfectly excellent question. I had this question myself and 
was considering asking it here. However, it is this sort of response that can 
discourage others from asking questions. I do pay attention to this list, I had 
this question, I googled, I spend a decent amount time on social news sites and 
I didn’t know.
I appreciate your contribution to the list with this information, but 
not the attitude with which is was delivered.

Thanks!
Mike

**
Michael J. McCafferty
CEO
M5 Hosting, Inc.
http://www.m5hosting.com 

Inc. 5000 America’s Fastest Growing Companies, 2017
**




> On Jan 2, 2018, at 11:32 PM, Outback Dingo  wrote:
> 
> pay attention    might prove useful in the future
> https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/introducing-xcp-ng/
> 
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Sean Lair  wrote:
>> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features in 
>> the Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to Standard 
>> Edition or possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their CloudStack 
>> environment?
>> 
>> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps we 
>> should be aware of?
>> 
>> Free Edition Changes
>> 
>> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
>> 
>> -  No Pool High-Availability
>> 
>> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
>> 
>> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-overview/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Sean

Re: XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Outback Dingo]

pay attention    might prove useful in the future
https://xen-orchestra.com/blog/introducing-xcp-ng/

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Sean Lair  wrote:
> It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features in the 
> Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to Standard Edition or 
> possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their CloudStack environment?
>
> Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps we 
> should be aware of?
>
> Free Edition Changes
>
> -  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters
>
> -  No Pool High-Availability
>
> -  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)
>
> https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-overview/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf
>
> Thanks
> Sean

XenServer Licensing Change - Switch Hypervisors?

[Sean Lair]

It looks like XenServer 7.3 will no longer have the following features in the 
Free Edition.  Is anyone considering moving from Free to Standard Edition or 
possibly to another hyper-visor (like KVM) for their CloudStack environment?

Thoughts?  We are looking more at KVM at this point, any feature gaps we should 
be aware of?

Free Edition Changes

-  Limited to up to 3 hosts per clusters

-  No Pool High-Availability

-  No Dynamic Memory Control (DMC)

https://www.citrix.com/content/dam/citrix/en_us/documents/product-overview/citrix-xenserver-feature-matrix.pdf

Thanks
Sean