[libreoffice-users] prevent linebreaks between parentheses and formula object

2011-07-01 Thread Zak McKracken


Hey there,

Within a text in writer, there's a formula (also in text mode) inside  
parentheses. The formula is properly treated like a character in all  
aspects, except:
Writer will insert a line break between the formula and the opening  
parenthesis as if that's were the line would usually wrap if they were  
separate words. If there was just text inside the parenthesis, that would  
not happen. Is there a way to prevent this?


I can insert a protected space before the formula, and that does prevent  
the line break, but it also looks weird.


Cheers,

 Zak


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[libreoffice-users] RE: Inserting Info - Move in a 'Z' formation...

2011-07-01 Thread Llweyn

Ok - I don't mind sending the info to you directly however I'm not sure 
exactlywhat it is that you're wanting. I can do mock-ups of what I need and 
what I want it to look like. Is that what you want? Also, I'll need your email 
so I can bypass the forum and use the attachments to send that to you.
Thanks,Sally Ann

Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:06:59 -0700
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Subject: Re: Inserting Info - Move in a 'Z' formation...



Llweyn wrote:

 That would prefect, you'll just have to walk me through it. I'm familiar

 with

 what macro is, however I have never had the occasion to use such parameters.

 I'm a quick study though. :-) Let me know what is the next step and thank

 you!


Ok, if a macro would work, I'll just need some information from you so

I can make it fit your needs.


I think for a start, please upload an example of what you want.  I

assume you have some specific reason for wanting this kind of insert

feature.  If I can get a sample of a file where you want this feature

in, I'll know a little better how it should work.


Unfortunately, this mailing list does not support attachments (they'll

get removed), so you'll need to upload it to the internet (or email me

directly).  If you don't have a preferred upload site, you could use

www.2shared.com (you don't need to register or anything).  Then just

let us know what the URL (web address) is of the file you uploaded

(the upload website will give that to you).  Just make sure that you

don't include any sensitive or personal information in the file, as it

will be available to anyone on the internet.


Regards

Stephan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] prevent linebreaks between parentheses and formula object

2011-07-01 Thread Karl-Heinz Bellgardt
Hi Zak,

On 01.07.2011 03:11, Zak McKracken wrote:
 Writer will insert a line break between the formula and the opening  
 parenthesis as if that's were the line would usually wrap if they were  
 separate words. If there was just text inside the parenthesis, that would  
 not happen. Is there a way to prevent this?
This already had been a point of discussion in the OOo mailing list
some time ago. I am not sure whether it ended up in a bug report.
 
 I can insert a protected space before the formula, and that does prevent  
 the line break, but it also looks weird.

As a workaround you can make that space very tiny, e.g. 1pt.

Karl


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Match cell against any of range of regexes?

2011-07-01 Thread Stephan Zietsman
Ryan Jendoubi wrote:
 This is set up pretty much how I'd like it to work (without the looong list
 of input on the first sheet).

 I wasted half my day Googling this and trying various things, and the IRC
 channel has declared it impossible without a macro.

 If you've thought of a winning formula I'll be hugely grateful!

I've had a look at the spreadsheet, and tried a few formulas.  It
seems that to do this with formulas is quite tricky and unfortunately
I couldn't get it done.  I tried a few different approaches and I
think it is technically possible.  However, I also think that it would
take quite some time to write such a formula (if it is indeed
possible).

As was mentioned before, it can be done with macros.  Would you
consider using a macro instead?

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: SubForms and Photographs in LO Base

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The 3.4.1 is due for release in the next few days
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan#3.4_release
It fixes a lot of the quirks and bugs of the 3.4.0.

Many OpenSource projects have 1 very stable branch for people that don't want 
to 
upgrade often and would like to stick with 1 version for a year or more without 
touching the machine.  Corporate users, people with low bandwidth or people 
that 
don't need all the extra latest new features.  Ubuntu has it's LTS (long term 
support), Debian has stable as does sliTaz and others.  It's a bit like going 
to see a movie a few weeks after it's been released or wearing comfortable 
clothes rather than the latest fashion.  


The 3.4.0 is not a great example of a development release because it was very 
buggy but that does sometimes happen with development branch in most projects.  
It's the risk you take if you want to try all the latest features and see the 
direction the stable branch might be going in later.  



Please wait a few days and see how the 3.4.1 looks or else return to the 3.3.3, 
or use the guide to install both version on your machine so that you can 
compare 
the differences.
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

Regards from
Tom :)






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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Yes, Rtf is an excellent format.  It would be more useful tho if MS Office 
followed their own specs but then we wouldn't be having this discussion.  At 
the 
rate things are going the only organisation that doesn't follow MS specs for 
rtf 
and docX will be MS themselves.

Our devs pour a ton of work into finding out what is really being used perhaps 
by reverse engineering (?) and then developing an answer.  MS devs can then 
tweak just 1 or 2 tiny things quite quickly and leave it to other people to 
guess at what's changed.  It's not really a dirty trick it's a legitimate 
business strategy.  


Proprietary formats are about being secretive, hiding behind intellectual 
copyright, hiding corporate secrets to help keep the competitive advantage.  


Open Document Formats are about being honest and open about what the formats 
are 
so that everyone can incorporate them easily and be certain that everyone else 
can easily follow the standard.  


MS has chosen to ignore the new Open Document Formats (version 1.2) and use the 
old formats (versions 1.0 or 1.1).  So they appear to be following ODF and can 
legitimately publicly state that.  But of course they have carefully made sure 
that  newer odfs still get a little messed up in MSO.  Everyone else apps can 
read them perfectly.  Again, it's not a dirty trick but does make a lot of 
sense as a legitimate business strategy.  


Regards from
Tom :)






From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 30 June, 2011 15:22:32
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

Hi

On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 06:33 -0700, tracey002 wrote:

 Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
  Since then I always make sure no RTF files comes near me ever. 
 
 I have all due respect for your opinion and choice and I am glad you have
 the option to do that.
 
 I had never thought of saving all documents in RTF (maybe not a bad idea),
 but I do find RTF very useful for the purpose for which it was designed:
 portability.
 I have used RTF to send Documents and Data/Reports to recipients with
 diverse Office-Applications that did NOT have a choice with the
 Office-Application they were using (so I have successfully used RTF for
 portability).
 
 
 Sean Burke in RTF Pocket Guide wrote:
  For no really good reason, support for these RTF character sets is
  perfiect in some word processors, almost perfect in others..., and shoddy
  in others...
 
 The capability of applications that state or imply RTF functionality is not
 a reflection of RTF, but on the competence (hence professionalism) of the
 developers that implement the Open/Import and Save-As/Export routines.
 
 This is true of *all* software: that includes the Microsoft Word Veiwer 2003
 that has problems correctly displaying the Word2002RTFSpec.doc.
 
 Just FYI, Tracey
 I normally do NOT use a screw driver as a substitute for a hammer, but I
 have used a heavy duty screw driver to pound the lid back on a paint can.
 I am not upset that screwdrivers are not hammers.
 
 
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One problem with RTF is MS has different versions of the specification,
generally released when a new version of MSO comes out. If your software
does not read the newer versions, which I believe is the default for the
latest MSO version you may get garbled importing on occasion.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Impress, Master Slides and Custom Animations

2011-07-01 Thread tpe
Hi Regina,
I use the Master Slide because it is something I want in ALL slides. 
Copy/Paste the text area of second page is not always an option (eg In case
I use a different template page (2 text areas, 1 text area and 1 image etc)
I will have to do it again.
It's a pity we cannot do it in Master Slides 

 And ,YES, you can send me a document by all means!

B/R
Peter

PS: Guys, you are really fast and helpful. Possibly, the best forum
support I ever had!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Match cell against any of range of regexes?

2011-07-01 Thread Ryan Jendoubi

Hi Stephan,

On 01/07/11 10:00, Stephan Zietsman wrote:

I've had a look at the spreadsheet, and tried a few formulas.  It
seems that to do this with formulas is quite tricky and unfortunately
I couldn't get it done.  I tried a few different approaches and I
think it is technically possible.  However, I also think that it would
take quite some time to write such a formula (if it is indeed
possible).

As was mentioned before, it can be done with macros.  Would you
consider using a macro instead?


Continued thanks for all your efforts. If I could whip up a macro like 
buttered toast I'd do so, but unfortunately for me that would first 
involve giving myself a grounding in writing bespoke LO macros. I can 
however write a bit of Perl, and I've started trying to tackle the 
problem that way :-) Although I think I'll have to finish the current 
batch by hand for now, because unlike writing code at least that has a 
definite end point...


LO macros would definitely be a good skill to learn eventually, even if 
it's not at the top of my todo list at the moment. I haven't yet 
searched for any tutorials or the like, but I'd be interested to hear if 
you have any personal favourites which you think would suit someone who 
knows general programming and just needs an intro to the syntax, 
conventions and frameworks / objects involved in LO scripting.


That said, I've noticed there are at least four different languages one 
can use. I don't know if any of them would allow writing scripts which 
are broadly cross-compatible with other office suites (even if a little 
tweaking is needed) but my preference would be for that, so I could help 
non-LO-using friends and such.


Thanks again and best regards,

--Ryan

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[libreoffice-users] base: tab order bug, and a workaround

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Cloyd
OK I still need to learn how to report bugs, etc., and I will. But 
meanwhile my desperate rush to get some work done with Base presses my 
forward.


This apparent bug made me crazy for a while this evening until I found a 
workaround.


The problem: Designing a form, the issue of tab order arises if you use 
the form wizard and start moving text fields around, or if you don't use 
the form wizard. Tab order may be explicitly addressed in the properties 
dialog (double clicking a control is one way to get it), OR in the Tab 
Order dialog. But changes made are not evidenced, at all, when switching 
from edit mode to execution mode. Nothing I tried worked. I simply got 
an apparently random tab order, which is a data entry show stopper!


The solution: After making an tab order change, close out the form 
designer. Open the form directly into execution mode. The new tab order 
will be evidenced. The problem with this is that if you have more form 
editing to do, you must close the form out and return to edit mode, as 
there is no way to get from an initial execution of a form into design mode.


As far as I'm concerned this is definitely a bug (any disagreement?). 
Two bugs, actually - the second being the inability to get from initial 
execution of a form to design mode without first closing out the form.


I'm just glad I found a way to get the tab order I must have to make the 
form usable.


Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com (435) 272-3332

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Match cell against any of range of regexes?

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The documentation team have access to a lot of good guides.  Jean sent me this 
about macros

 ...
good resources forpeople who want serious info on macros. (Shameless plug for 
Andrew)

http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
http://www.pitonyak.org/book/


ODFauthors are considering how to best approach writing documentation that is 
relevant to both OOo and LO and identically the same in both.  Obviously some 
guides need a lot of modifications (such as just deleting chunks where OOo is 
lagging behind and has not added the functionality developed by LO devs) but 
apparently macros are likely to develop along an identically same path for both 
projects.  Andrew Pitonyak's guide is apparently the best for macros so it's 
worth bookmarking or downloading or something. 


Regards from
Tom :)




From: Ryan Jendoubi do...@btinternet.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: Ryan Jendoubi ryan.jendo...@gmail.com
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 10:28:37
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Match cell against any of range of regexes?

Hi Stephan,

On 01/07/11 10:00, Stephan Zietsman wrote:
 I've had a look at the spreadsheet, and tried a few formulas.  It
 seems that to do this with formulas is quite tricky and unfortunately
 I couldn't get it done.  I tried a few different approaches and I
 think it is technically possible.  However, I also think that it would
 take quite some time to write such a formula (if it is indeed
 possible).
 
 As was mentioned before, it can be done with macros.  Would you
 consider using a macro instead?

Continued thanks for all your efforts. If I could whip up a macro like buttered 
toast I'd do so, but unfortunately for me that would first involve giving 
myself 
a grounding in writing bespoke LO macros. I can however write a bit of Perl, 
and 
I've started trying to tackle the problem that way :-) Although I think I'll 
have to finish the current batch by hand for now, because unlike writing code 
at 
least that has a definite end point...

LO macros would definitely be a good skill to learn eventually, even if it's 
not 
at the top of my todo list at the moment. I haven't yet searched for any 
tutorials or the like, but I'd be interested to hear if you have any personal 
favourites which you think would suit someone who knows general programming and 
just needs an intro to the syntax, conventions and frameworks / objects 
involved 
in LO scripting.

That said, I've noticed there are at least four different languages one can 
use. 
I don't know if any of them would allow writing scripts which are broadly 
cross-compatible with other office suites (even if a little tweaking is needed) 
but my preference would be for that, so I could help non-LO-using friends and 
such.

Thanks again and best regards,

--Ryan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] base: tab order bug, and a workaround

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Cloyd
Oh...it's worse than I thought: the changed tab order simply will NOT 
appear if one gets to the form from the form designer; it can only ever 
be seen when opening the form directly. This might be a serious 
impediment to form development, in some cases...  ~t.


On 07/01/2011 03:56 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
OK I still need to learn how to report bugs, etc., and I will. But 
meanwhile my desperate rush to get some work done with Base presses my 
forward.


This apparent bug made me crazy for a while this evening until I found 
a workaround.


The problem: Designing a form, the issue of tab order arises if you 
use the form wizard and start moving text fields around, or if you 
don't use the form wizard. Tab order may be explicitly addressed in 
the properties dialog (double clicking a control is one way to get 
it), OR in the Tab Order dialog. But changes made are not evidenced, 
at all, when switching from edit mode to execution mode. Nothing I 
tried worked. I simply got an apparently random tab order, which is a 
data entry show stopper!


The solution: After making an tab order change, close out the form 
designer. Open the form directly into execution mode. The new tab 
order will be evidenced. The problem with this is that if you have 
more form editing to do, you must close the form out and return to 
edit mode, as there is no way to get from an initial execution of a 
form into design mode.


As far as I'm concerned this is definitely a bug (any disagreement?). 
Two bugs, actually - the second being the inability to get from 
initial execution of a form to design mode without first closing out 
the form.


I'm just glad I found a way to get the tab order I must have to make 
the form usable.


Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com (435) 272-3332




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Re: [libreoffice-users] base: tab order bug, and a workaround

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
This guide
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
has advice but more importantly it has a link to LO's bug reporting area.  
Don't 
take the advice too seriously.  A lot of the info they ask for can be added to 
a 
report later.  It's more important just to get a bug reported at the right 
place 
and worry about finesses later.  


You need to register at the site.  It's just like a forum really except that 
it's not for just chatting or saying me too (even tho that can help).  You 
don't need to learn anything, just register and post a new thread (like 
starting 
an email thread such as this one).  


Regards from
Tom :)






From: Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com
To: LibreOffice User's Help Forum users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 10:56:53
Subject: [libreoffice-users] base: tab order bug, and a workaround

OK I still need to learn how to report bugs, etc., and I will. But meanwhile my 
desperate rush to get some work done with Base presses my forward.

This apparent bug made me crazy for a while this evening until I found a 
workaround.

The problem: Designing a form, the issue of tab order arises if you use the 
form 
wizard and start moving text fields around, or if you don't use the form 
wizard. 
Tab order may be explicitly addressed in the properties dialog (double clicking 
a control is one way to get it), OR in the Tab Order dialog. But changes made 
are not evidenced, at all, when switching from edit mode to execution mode. 
Nothing I tried worked. I simply got an apparently random tab order, which is a 
data entry show stopper!

The solution: After making an tab order change, close out the form designer. 
Open the form directly into execution mode. The new tab order will be 
evidenced. 
The problem with this is that if you have more form editing to do, you must 
close the form out and return to edit mode, as there is no way to get from an 
initial execution of a form into design mode.

As far as I'm concerned this is definitely a bug (any disagreement?). Two bugs, 
actually - the second being the inability to get from initial execution of a 
form to design mode without first closing out the form.

I'm just glad I found a way to get the tab order I must have to make the form 
usable.

Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com (435) 272-3332

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Match cell against any of range of regexes?

2011-07-01 Thread Stephan Zietsman
Ryan Jendoubi wrote:
 LO macros would definitely be a good skill to learn eventually, even if it's
 not at the top of my todo list at the moment. I haven't yet searched for any
 tutorials or the like, but I'd be interested to hear if you have any
 personal favourites which you think would suit someone who knows general
 programming and just needs an intro to the syntax, conventions and
 frameworks / objects involved in LO scripting.

 That said, I've noticed there are at least four different languages one can
 use. I don't know if any of them would allow writing scripts which are
 broadly cross-compatible with other office suites (even if a little tweaking
 is needed) but my preference would be for that, so I could help non-LO-using
 friends and such.

The standard scripting language used in LO is StarBasic (as far as I
know), which is very much like VBA (visual basic for applications).  I
actually learned the language while writing VBA macros in MS Excel.
Unfortunately I don't know of a good manual/tutorial for either.

I personally dislike the Basic language, but it is useful sometimes.
I'm not enthusiastic about it, but I think sticking to Basic would be
the more cross-compatible.  I've imported a few Excel files into LO,
and the VBA macros imported just fine (minor modifications are done to
the code when imported).  I have no idea about the other direction
though (LO file to Excel).

Regards
Stephan

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Aack! Uninstall removes file types!

2011-07-01 Thread Mahesh T Pai
teknow teknowledg...@gmail.com writes:

  My less OSS friendly colleagues decided it was LO's install process
  that was at fault and uninstalled it while arguing that it shouldn't
  be installed in the first place.  That just made it worse because
  then additional MS Office file types were broken.  Running a
  repair-install of MS Office 2010 fixes the problem, but only for the
  currently logged in user - all existing users (and any future users
  if the default profile isn't re-generated) have .doc files that open
  in WordPad, and .xls files that have no association.

Been there, done that; was with OO.o; about 24 months back. Never caused
a problem though, because both Windows and MS Office are clean
re-installed every 2-3 months anyways.

This is what happened - a friend wanted to try an alternative to MS-o;
and I recommended OO.o. The machine however had very low RAM, and OO.o
was t slow. He finally uninstalled OO.o; and later complained that
file associations were too messed up, that he had to re-install MS-O. 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: MS Office 2000 word doc links to xls not working in Libre Office

2011-07-01 Thread ColHut
bump!  someone must have had these problems?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Is LibO_3.4.1_Win Out?

2011-07-01 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi Michael, 

On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 15:11:09 +1000
Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net wrote:

 Just say on the filehippo site that 
 LibO_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_multi.exe is new, but didn't see 
 anything on the libreoffice.org web site? 
 
 On Linux, I've tested each of the 3.4.1rc1 thru rc3, and they 
 seemed fine in my minor test, but seems strange 3.4.1 would 
 show up on filehippo before it is on the main site? Am just 
 downloading  it on a windows machine now, since I don't have 
 windows at home to check that it is 3.4.1 and not a renamed rc?

It is possible, that the software appears on the mirrors before it is 
officially announced. You do want the software to be in place when you announce 
it, so that everyone can get his copy. ;) 

As for the renaming: If there are no more critical bugs found in the last rc, 
the file will be renamed. There's no need to compile it again, since there were 
no major problems. So, if you have rc3 and now the new final version is 
announced, you don't need to do anything - you have already the latest version. 

HTH

Sigrid

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Is LibO_3.4.1_Win Out?

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Cor has just added the 3.4.1 to the main downloads page
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/
I think it's great that places fight over getting it out faster than anyone 
else.
Congrats for being ahead of the game :)
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 6:11:09
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Is LibO_3.4.1_Win Out?

Just say on the filehippo site that 
LibO_3.4.1_Win_x86_install_multi.exe is new, but didn't see 
anything on the libreoffice.org web site? 

On Linux, I've tested each of the 3.4.1rc1 thru rc3, and they 
seemed fine in my minor test, but seems strange 3.4.1 would 
show up on filehippo before it is on the main site? Am just 
downloading  it on a windows machine now, since I don't have 
windows at home to check that it is 3.4.1 and not a renamed rc?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Office 2000 word doc links to xls not working in Libre Office

2011-07-01 Thread Cor Nouws

Hi ,

(indeed sorry for the delay - some more mails from last weeks marked for 
a look..)


ColHut wrote (14-06-11 11:54)

I have some large Office 2000 word docs which have links to excel documents.
I make changes in excel then update the fields in word using F9.  I cannot
get this to work if I open the word document in LO.  How can I fix this?


I have no Word/Excel to test.
But I know that DDE links are possible in LibreOffice.
Maybe there is a setting on Tools  OPtions  Load, save  Ms Office 
that influences this?


If not, I expect you have to recreate the links.

Cheers,



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Re: [libreoffice-users] prevent line breaks between parentheses and formula object

2011-07-01 Thread Brian Barker

At 03:11 01/07/2011 +0200, Zak McKracken wrote:
Within a text in writer, there's a formula (also in text mode) 
inside parentheses. The formula is properly treated like a character 
in all aspects, except: Writer will insert a line break between the 
formula and the opening parenthesis as if that's were the line would 
usually wrap if they were separate words. If there was just text 
inside the parenthesis, that would not happen. Is there a way to prevent this?


An obvious workaround may be to include any such parentheses in the 
formula itself.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Aack! Uninstall removes file types!

2011-07-01 Thread teknow
I got a private response that indicates I may not have made myself clear, so
I am answering here.  

The problem I see is that uninstalling LO removes file associations MS
Office had all along.  In other words, though MS Office is still installed
and was always the default .doc/.docx, .xls/.xlsx, .ppt/.pptx (and others)
handler, Windows doesn't know what to do with those files anymore.  Double
clicking .doc files opens Wordpad, the others cause the unknown filetype -
what application dialog window to open.

It seems to me that LO should only remove its reference to those files, and
possibly the file types that it is the only registered handler.

If LO were installed first, and MS Office second, I would expect an
uninstall of MS Office to exit gracefully.  I have not tested this though,
so I could be wrong.  I can say from experience that if Adobe Reader is
installed, and a user installs FoxIt, then uninstalls FoxIt, Windows still
knows to open .pdfs with AR.

Hope this is clearer.

Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support

2011-07-01 Thread Mark Stanton
I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front.
But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty 
trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool...

Mark Stanton
One small step for mankind...



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Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

2011-07-01 Thread John Thaden
--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote:

 Hi. There is a bug for auto recovery if the document being
 edited is a .doc
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34805
 I have turned auto recovery and backup off now and just
 regularly 
 remember to save because I know I can't rely on it.
 steve

I neglected to mention that indeed the lost document was a .doc file.  I 
recreated the lost document from memory so am back in business.  Is this bug 
logged in bugzilla?  Should I report anything about it to hurry along its 
resolution?
Regards,
-John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] base: tab order bug, and a workaround

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Cloyd

Tom,

Well...there go my excuses!

Once again, thanks so much for your help. Always, always appreciated!

t.

On 07/01/2011 04:05 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
This guide
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
has advice but more importantly it has a link to LO's bug reporting area.  Don't
take the advice too seriously.  A lot of the info they ask for can be added to a
report later.  It's more important just to get a bug reported at the right place
and worry about finesses later.


You need to register at the site.  It's just like a forum really except that
it's not for just chatting or saying me too (even tho that can help).  You
don't need to learn anything, just register and post a new thread (like starting
an email thread such as this one).


Regards from
Tom :)






From: Tom Cloydt...@tomcloyd.com
To: LibreOffice User's Help Forumusers@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 10:56:53
Subject: [libreoffice-users] base: tab order bug, and a workaround

OK I still need to learn how to report bugs, etc., and I will. But meanwhile my
desperate rush to get some work done with Base presses my forward.

This apparent bug made me crazy for a while this evening until I found a
workaround.

The problem: Designing a form, the issue of tab order arises if you use the form
wizard and start moving text fields around, or if you don't use the form wizard.
Tab order may be explicitly addressed in the properties dialog (double clicking
a control is one way to get it), OR in the Tab Order dialog. But changes made
are not evidenced, at all, when switching from edit mode to execution mode.
Nothing I tried worked. I simply got an apparently random tab order, which is a
data entry show stopper!

The solution: After making an tab order change, close out the form designer.
Open the form directly into execution mode. The new tab order will be evidenced.
The problem with this is that if you have more form editing to do, you must
close the form out and return to edit mode, as there is no way to get from an
initial execution of a form into design mode.

As far as I'm concerned this is definitely a bug (any disagreement?). Two bugs,
actually - the second being the inability to get from initial execution of a
form to design mode without first closing out the form.

I'm just glad I found a way to get the tab order I must have to make the form
usable.

Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com (435) 272-3332

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Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

2011-07-01 Thread John Thaden
Tom,
   Might want to uncheck them if you edit, write, and save in .doc filetype, as 
another lister noted a bug affecting .doc files and so unchecks these boxes, 
himself.  It was a bit quicker to recreate and I both missed things while 
getting other things better.  Thanks!
-John

--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 4:03 PM
 Ouch!  
 I just checked that box on 2 machines downstairs as i
 happened to be setting 
 them both up at the time.  I tend to find it much
 easier to re-write something 
 than it was to write it first time although sometimes i
 miss some fluky 
 elegance.  Usually tho, 2nd time seems to be better
 for me and somehow my 
 fingers magically remember key phrases i was pleased
 with.  I hope it works that 
 way for you too.
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: John Thaden jjtha...@flash.net
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Thu, 30 June, 2011 19:42:20
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery
 
 Hello Sigrid, thank you for the speedy reply!
 
 Always create a backup file was not checked, but I see
 that Save Auto 
 recovery information was. Yet the recovered document was
 extremely old.  I've 
 now checked the other option -- to back up -- and am trying
 to recreate my 
 work.  Autorecovery didn't seem to work for some
 reason.
 
 Thank you again,
 -John
 
 
 --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
  Writer (or better LibreOffice) can do autosave, but it
 does
  not by default. To activate autosave, go to Tools
 
  Options  Load/Save  General and set the value
 you
  want. 
  
  I have ticked the box that says Always create a
 backup
  file and Save Auto recovery information every 15
 Minutes.
  (The number can be changed by you). 
  
  So in your current situation, I'm afraid, you need to
  recreate the missing parts from memory.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

2011-07-01 Thread planas
John

On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 08:42 -0700, John Thaden wrote:

 --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote:
 
  Hi. There is a bug for auto recovery if the document being
  edited is a .doc
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34805
  I have turned auto recovery and backup off now and just
  regularly 
  remember to save because I know I can't rely on it.
  steve
 
 I neglected to mention that indeed the lost document was a .doc file.  I 
 recreated the lost document from memory so am back in business.  Is this bug 
 logged in bugzilla?  Should I report anything about it to hurry along its 
 resolution?
 Regards,
 -John
 

I would file a bug report, it help the deveopers know what problems
users are coming across.

Thanks,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] RTF support

2011-07-01 Thread planas
On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 16:25 +0100, Mark Stanton wrote:

 I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front.
 But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty 
 trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool...
 
 Mark Stanton
 One small step for mankind...
 
 
 

Part of the dirty tricks come from not understanding your customers'
needs. Most office suite users are only interested in file formats so
they share documents with others. In fact they would rather have on
default format. They do not care if the default format is an open
standard or a proprietary format.

MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of the
older format out of luck.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Aack! Uninstall removes file types!

2011-07-01 Thread Andreas Säger

Hi,

If this is a real problem, you must never install more than one program 
for the same type of file. You can have only one media player, one 
picture editor, one pdf viewer, one browser, one editor, one of anything.
Did you try to install LibreOffice before MS Office and then remove MS 
Office? What happens to your associations in this scenario? Does MS 
Office remember which office program had been installed in order to 
restore the same associations if (and only if) that previously installed 
program is still there? If so: Wow, I would never have expected this 
from any program, let alone a Microsoft program.


I suggest you stick with what everybody is happy with. Nobody has ever 
been fired for using Microsoft even if it turned out to be the wrong 
choice. Installing LibreOffice for ideologic reasons is a no go.


Greetings,
Andreas


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[libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

2011-07-01 Thread tracey002
I hope Miklos Vajna and all the specification implementors (including 
all developers) reads this post :-)
 MS devs can then tweak just 1 or 2 tiny things quite quickly and leave 
 it to other people to guess at what's changed.
This is not the issue.
 Our devs pour a ton of work into finding out what is really being used 
 perhaps  by reverse engineering (?) and then developing an answer.
If this is really true, then this is where the problem is and where the 
developers have failed the Users regarding the RTF and any other 
specification.
Not just Libre Office, but msWord, WordPerftect, and all others 
specification driven application developers.

I continue to get replies claiming that RTF is bad bad bad bad bad and 
will never be acceptable because all the problems people currently have 
with RTF.

If an application claims to support a file format, then the #1 priority 
is and should be to correctly implement the file format specification 
(whether it be HTML, Java, RTF, docX, or any other truly implementable 
standard).
If the RTF developers would do this, then virtually all the complaints 
about RTF would (go away/disappear).
And this is true for any/all format specification.

After that, then and only then add various implementations(tweaks, etc.) 
if you so choose.

I am so glad that Miklos Vajna has decided to fix the Libre Office 
implementation of RTF.
Thanks, Tracey

Tom Davies [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
 Hi :)
 Yes, Rtf is an excellent format.  It would be more useful tho if MS 
 Office
 followed their own specs but then we wouldn't be having this 
 discussion.  At the
 rate things are going the only organisation that doesn't follow MS 
 specs for rtf
 and docX will be MS themselves.

 Our devs pour a ton of work into finding out what is really being used 
 perhaps
 by reverse engineering (?) and then developing an answer.  MS devs can 
 then
 tweak just 1 or 2 tiny things quite quickly and leave it to other 
 people to
 guess at what's changed.  It's not really a dirty trick it's a 
 legitimate
 business strategy.  


 Proprietary formats are about being secretive, hiding behind intellectual
 copyright, hiding corporate secrets to help keep the competitive 
 advantage.  


 Open Document Formats are about being honest and open about what the 
 formats are
 so that everyone can incorporate them easily and be certain that 
 everyone else
 can easily follow the standard.  


 MS has chosen to ignore the new Open Document Formats (version 1.2) 
 and use the
 old formats (versions 1.0 or 1.1).  So they appear to be following ODF 
 and can
 legitimately publicly state that.  But of course they have carefully 
 made sure
 that  newer odfs still get a little messed up in MSO.  Everyone else 
 apps can
 read them perfectly.  Again, it's not a dirty trick but does make a 
 lot of
 sense as a legitimate business strategy.  


 Regards from
 Tom :)





 
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 To: [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=3128731i=1
 Sent: Thu, 30 June, 2011 15:22:32
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

 Hi

 On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 06:33 -0700, tracey002 wrote:

  Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
   Since then I always make sure no RTF files comes near me ever.
 
  I have all due respect for your opinion and choice and I am glad you 
 have
  the option to do that.
 
  I had never thought of saving all documents in RTF (maybe not a bad 
 idea),
  but I do find RTF very useful for the purpose for which it was 
 designed:
  portability.
  I have used RTF to send Documents and Data/Reports to recipients with
  diverse Office-Applications that did NOT have a choice with the
  Office-Application they were using (so I have successfully used RTF for
  portability).
 
 
  Sean Burke in RTF Pocket Guide wrote:
   For no really good reason, support for these RTF character sets is
   perfiect in some word processors, almost perfect in others..., and 
 shoddy
   in others...
 
  The capability of applications that state or imply RTF functionality 
 is not
  a reflection of RTF, but on the competence (hence professionalism) 
 of the
  developers that implement the Open/Import and Save-As/Export routines.
 
  This is true of *all* software: that includes the Microsoft Word 
 Veiwer 2003
  that has problems correctly displaying the Word2002RTFSpec.doc.
 
  Just FYI, Tracey
  I normally do NOT use a screw driver as a substitute for a hammer, 
 but I
  have used a heavy duty screw driver to pound the lid back on a paint 
 can.
  I am not upset that screwdrivers are not hammers.
 
 
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 One problem with RTF is MS has different versions of the specification,
 generally released when a new version of MSO comes out. If your software
 does not 

[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice DOES NOT open .docx files

2011-07-01 Thread mazallen
When I downloaded LibreOffice 3.3.3 I was led to believe that [LibreOffice]
Writer easily reads Microsoft Word documents, and you can also save your
work in Microsoft Word format, for sending to people still locked into
Microsoft products and that /LibreOffice can also open .docx files created
with Microsoft Office 2007 for Windows or Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac OS
X/.  This is not the case: I converted a pdf file to docx (on Adobe's
website) but LibreOffice crashes every time I try to open it -- can anyone
help (or is this merely a case of false advertisement on the part of
LibreOffice)?  

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RE: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice DOES NOT open .docx files

2011-07-01 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Who knows, it could be a case of false advertisement on the part of Adobe [;).

Have you succeeded in opening the file in any of Microsoft Office 2003 (with 
Compatibility Pack) 2007, 2008, 2010, or 2011?

It would be useful to know if the document, when resaved from Microsoft Office, 
was then readable by LibreOffice.

If the document is small enough and not precious to you, I can try some of that 
if you e-mail it to me.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: mazallen [mailto:mazi.al...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:25
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice DOES NOT open .docx files

When I downloaded LibreOffice 3.3.3 I was led to believe that [LibreOffice]
Writer easily reads Microsoft Word documents, and you can also save your
work in Microsoft Word format, for sending to people still locked into
Microsoft products and that /LibreOffice can also open .docx files created
with Microsoft Office 2007 for Windows or Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac OS
X/.  This is not the case: I converted a pdf file to docx (on Adobe's
website) but LibreOffice crashes every time I try to open it -- can anyone
help (or is this merely a case of false advertisement on the part of
LibreOffice)?  

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice DOES NOT open .docx files

2011-07-01 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-07-01, mazallen wrote:

 When I downloaded LibreOffice 3.3.3 I was led to believe that [LibreOffice]
 Writer easily reads Microsoft Word documents, and you can also save your
 work in Microsoft Word format, for sending to people still locked into
 Microsoft products and that /LibreOffice can also open .docx files created
 with Microsoft Office 2007 for Windows or Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac OS
 X/.  This is not the case: I converted a pdf file to docx (on Adobe's
 website) but LibreOffice crashes every time I try to open it -- can anyone
 help (or is this merely a case of false advertisement on the part of
 LibreOffice)?  

LibreOffice *does* have support for .docx, there's no false
advertisement here.

Although this support is not complete, this just means some features
won't be imported/recognized. It should definitely *not* crash.

You probably hit some bug. Does it happen only with that docx? Or
converting other pdf also generates a .docx that crashes LibO?

To find out exactly what's happening, it'd be useful to have access to a
sample .docx file that crashes LibO. 


I confirm this one opens fine in 3.3.3, does it crash there?:
http://tinyurl.com/libo-docx-sample


Also, is this the conversion service you used?

https://www.acrobat.com/exportpdf/en/convert-pdf-to-word.html

Sadly it is paid, so I can't even generate a docx just to test.

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[libreoffice-users] 3.4.1 startup issues on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

2011-07-01 Thread Michael Adams
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate; 3.3.x uninstalled; Java 6r26 installed (x86  
x64 versions). Attempt at using 3.4.1 from that FileHippo copy yielded a 
crash when it tries to load Hungarian dictionaries. Attempt at using  
3.4.1 from the LibreOffice.org installers today crashes without any 
notice of what the cause is. I can help test any solutions to this: is 
anyone else having this issue?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If you are not able to search the bugs area at the moment (through inexperience 
or lack of time) then it is better to just post the bug report yourself and let 
triagers gain more experience at searching for and linking similar bug-reports. 
 
If it isn't already posted then you will have done a hugely positive thing in 
drawing attention to the problem.  

Regards from
Tom :)






From: planas jsloz...@gmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 17:34:59
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

John

On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 08:42 -0700, John Thaden wrote:

 --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote:
 
  Hi. There is a bug for auto recovery if the document being
  edited is a .doc
  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34805
  I have turned auto recovery and backup off now and just
  regularly 
  remember to save because I know I can't rely on it.
  steve
 
 I neglected to mention that indeed the lost document was a .doc file.  I 
recreated the lost document from memory so am back in business.  Is this bug 
logged in bugzilla?  Should I report anything about it to hurry along its 
resolution?
 Regards,
 -John
 

I would file a bug report, it help the deveopers know what problems
users are coming across.

Thanks,

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Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks :)  Since MS Office is the dominant Office on those machines i thought i 
would leave the LibreOffice saving to ODFs.  That way one advantage of using LO 
is easy access to that format.  I should check that ODFs don't try to open in 
MS 
Office because that would be a little bit irritating.  Right tool for the right 
job is best.
Thanks and regards from
Tom :)






From: John Thaden jjtha...@flash.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 17:14:36
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

Tom,
   Might want to uncheck them if you edit, write, and save in .doc filetype, as 
another lister noted a bug affecting .doc files and so unchecks these boxes, 
himself.  It was a bit quicker to recreate and I both missed things while 
getting other things better.  Thanks!
-John

--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 4:03 PM
 Ouch!  
 I just checked that box on 2 machines downstairs as i
 happened to be setting 
 them both up at the time.  I tend to find it much
 easier to re-write something 
 than it was to write it first time although sometimes i
 miss some fluky 
 elegance.  Usually tho, 2nd time seems to be better
 for me and somehow my 
 fingers magically remember key phrases i was pleased
 with.  I hope it works that 
 way for you too.
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: John Thaden jjtha...@flash.net
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Thu, 30 June, 2011 19:42:20
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery
 
 Hello Sigrid, thank you for the speedy reply!
 
 Always create a backup file was not checked, but I see
 that Save Auto 
 recovery information was. Yet the recovered document was
 extremely old.  I've 
 now checked the other option -- to back up -- and am trying
 to recreate my 
 work.  Autorecovery didn't seem to work for some
 reason.
 
 Thank you again,
 -John
 
 
 --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
  Writer (or better LibreOffice) can do autosave, but it
 does
  not by default. To activate autosave, go to Tools
 
  Options  Load/Save  General and set the value
 you
  want. 
  
  I have ticked the box that says Always create a
 backup
  file and Save Auto recovery information every 15
 Minutes.
  (The number can be changed by you). 
  
  So in your current situation, I'm afraid, you need to
  recreate the missing parts from memory.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Aack! Uninstall removes file types!

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Normally i guess the answer would be to use the MS Office Cd to repair the 
install or modify it.  Quite how you get that onto the images you use for other 
machines seems to be the tricky part.
Regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice DOES NOT open .docx files

2011-07-01 Thread NoOp
On 07/01/2011 12:24 PM, mazallen wrote:
 When I downloaded LibreOffice 3.3.3 I was led to believe that [LibreOffice]
 Writer easily reads Microsoft Word documents, and you can also save your
 work in Microsoft Word format, for sending to people still locked into
 Microsoft products and that /LibreOffice can also open .docx files created
 with Microsoft Office 2007 for Windows or Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac OS
 X/.  This is not the case: I converted a pdf file to docx (on Adobe's
 website) but LibreOffice crashes every time I try to open it -- can anyone
 help (or is this merely a case of false advertisement on the part of
 LibreOffice)?  

There are issues with certain .docx files crashing LO 3.3. For example:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34876
The document referenced there:
http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=enid=11942
crashes LO 3.3. However, I've tested in 3.4.1 Final and the document
does indeed open w/o crashing LO. Unfortunately, the import filter still
does not properly display graphics, table of contents, and page text
boxes - but that's for another bug report.

I'd recommend trying 3.4.1 and see if that solves your problem:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)

Have you tried deleting the user-profile?  Do you have both LO and OOo 
installed 
at the same time?  If so is the Quick Start on in either package?  If you have 
OOo open at the same time as LO then they can get a bit confused.  There is a 
guide to help you have both installed so that they don't clash.  I have lost 
track, are you using Windows or Ubuntu or which OS?
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Ernest Kurtz kurtz...@umich.edu
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 18:03:45
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer 
(strace included)

Back again with an LO crash: 
Opened LO for first time in three days;
Opened 3 .rtf files I had worked on in OO yesterday;
When I hit Enter to open a line-space in one of the files, LO crashed;
Even Force Quit could not close it, but it finally died after about 10 
minutes 
jiggling.
Does anyone think I should try to use LO again, after this yet again repetitive 
near-disaster?
ernie kurtz



On Jun 29, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Eric wrote:

 By the way, what's the command to open this document in command line, to see 
 if 
I can catch some errors when it crashes?
 
 
 Le 28/06/2011 23:53, Eric wrote:
 Hi Nuno,
 
 No it's not the only file which causes a crash,
 and as I can't see my attached strace, i've posted it here: 
http://dl.free.fr/o9kL0sy6V
 I hope it will help you, its reading is not obvious at all for me :)
 

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Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text numbers

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Sorry, it's late here.  Have you fixed the problem?
Regards from
Tom :)





From: Michael D. Setzer II mi...@kuentos.guam.net
To: John B jo...@email2.me; users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 13:18:10
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text  numbers

Found this solution for Mozilla, but not sure why it would work for 
others, since this seems it would effect the others?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=439938

It happens also on Linux and is particularly annoying with files 
opened in OpenOffice (you cannot even copy-paste when the file 
is saved read-only!).

Ok, just made a test and creating in about:config a new boolean 
toggle

browser.helperApps.deleteTempFileOnExit

set to false helps also on Linux.

I tried it on my system with Mozila and Linux, and with the value 
set to false, it opens the file and allows entering numbers. It might 
be that others don't check the status until you go to save it?






On 29 Jun 2011 at 12:30, John B wrote:

Date sent:  Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:30:44 +0100
From:   John B jo...@email2.me
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject:Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text  
numbers
Send reply to:  users@global.libreoffice.org

 Dear Tom / Stephan
 
 I have not seen this feature before in my Lotus 123 or  in my old MS 
 Excel either, it may be that the default settings in these are Off, 
 where as the default in LO (and OOo) is clearly On.
 
 I use my calculator for anyone to download from my website and the 
 people who download it, may not have the knowledge to switch it off.
 
 http://www.chillypepperhire.co.uk/calculator-downloads.htm - if you 
 enter the number 8 into the Height box you will see what I mean (once 
 you get past the open with LO and it opens in  read only and you have 
 to re-save it anyway- annoyance)
 
 I was hoping that I could just format the cell in some way so the 
 spreadsheet could be used be anyone and not say OMG when they 
 inadvertently enter a number and text appears (as I did).
 
 I suppose the only answer is to re-design the form (unless you know better).
 
 regards
 
 John B
 
-
-
 
 
 
 
 
 On 29/06/2011 11:35, Tom Davies wrote:
  Hi :)
  For most types of auto-complete you can just tap the Del key or any 
character
  (not enter) while the predicted part is still selected/bold/inverse.  If you
  just press enter then the program happily thinks it guessed right.
 
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
 
  - Original Message 
 
  From: Stephan Zietsmanszi...@gmail.com
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Sent: Wed, 29 June, 2011 10:09:47
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users][windows] Calc: Text  numbers
 
  John B wrote:
   
  this where, say,  you enter text into a cell in column E   say at E16  the
  text would be something8,000 btus (or 2.34kw)  Machines
 
  now if you type in the same column above or below it,  say at E7 the 
number
  8, the whole of  8,000 btus (or 2.34kw) Machines  appears.
 
  That is called AutoInput
 
   
  I would like to turn this  feature off.
 
  On Windows it is under:  Tools -  Cell Content -   AutoInput
 
  Regards
  Stephan
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Ahh, i found this and something about using Ubuntu.  I'm not sure how to help 
tho!
Apols and regards from
Tom :)





From: Ernest Kurtz kurtz...@umich.edu
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tue, 28 June, 2011 18:28:38
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

Hi2--
I am using aMacBook3,1; Intel Core 2 Duo;  2.2 GHz;  L2 Cache:4 MB;  
Memory:4 GB;  Bus Speed: 800 MHz;
LibreOffice 3.3.; OOO330m19 (Build:202); tag libreoffice-3.3.2.2
Thanks for the several quick comments. 
ernie kurtz

On Jun 28, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

 Hi
 That doesn't sound pleasant :(  I don't use OpenOffice at all anymore.  
 LibreOffice has not crashed on me at all.  I don't use it every day tho.  
 Which 

 version do you use, the 3.4.0?  I stick with the 3.3.2 on Ubuntu still.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Ernest Kurtz kurtz...@umich.edu
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Sent: Tue, 28 June, 2011 14:38:48
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support
 
 'Lo :(
 As one who uses only Writer on LO and OO, roughly on alternate days,  never 
 at 

 the same time, I find LO to be less stable, crashing about every other  
 time.  

 OO crashes are rare, maybe one in ten use-days. 
 
 But I keep  hoping, as it appears there is more current work on LO.
 BTW, I save all files  in RTF. 
 ernie kurtz 
 
 On Jun 28, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:
 
 Hi :)
 LibreOffice is more highly developed, it is  developing faster and has a 
 more 

 
 certain future.  Substantial  clean-up of the code has made it about 30% 
 smaller 
 
 so it's faster to  download and since it is more streamlined, hopefully it 
 runs a 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Segmentation Fault when converting PPT to PDF headless on linus

2011-07-01 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
If you are managing this with OpenOffice then i would stick with that.  You can 
install both side-by-side but only if you follow the guide (which i have lost 
the link for)
Regards from
Tom :)





From: J- MAN jmand...@hotmail.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Mon, 27 June, 2011 13:50:27
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Segmentation Fault when converting PPT to PDF 
headless on linus


Hi all,

We are using JODConverter 3.0 beta 3 to convert PPT files to PDF headless on 
ubuntu 11.04 and libreoffice 3.3.2.  


When processing the attached file we get a segmentation Fault:

Jun 23 16:25:10 ubuntu11dsktp64b kernel: [ 1459.754560]
soffice.bin[1577]: segfault at 40 ip 7fa18b694c05 sp
7fa19d5d1fd0 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0[7fa18b655000+135000]


I tried using libreoffice 3.3.3 from the website with the same result.


The seg fault does not happen when converting the document manually using the 
GUI.


I downloaded OpenOffice 3.3.3 and it worked correctly.

I can send sample code for JODConverter if needed.

We would rather use libreOffice, but can't until this is resolved.

Thanks

-J


  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] file recovery

2011-07-01 Thread Cor Nouws

planas wrote (01-07-11 18:34)


On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 08:42 -0700, John Thaden wrote:



I neglected to mention that indeed the lost document was a .doc
file.  I recreated the lost document from memory so am back in
business.  Is this bug logged in bugzilla?  Should I report
anything about it to hurry along its resolution?


I would file a bug report, it help the deveopers know what problems
users are coming across.


Sorry, already exists:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34805
(I was wrong with my first search, even more: the bug is linked from the
release notes ;-) From the what?? The *release* *notes*. Ah ..)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.4.1 startup issues on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

2011-07-01 Thread Steve Edmonds

Doesn't start on mac on first install. Looking deeper.
steve

On 2/07/11 8:09 AM, Michael Adams wrote:
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate; 3.3.x uninstalled; Java 6r26 installed (x86  
x64 versions). Attempt at using 3.4.1 from that FileHippo copy yielded 
a crash when it tries to load Hungarian dictionaries. Attempt at 
using  3.4.1 from the LibreOffice.org installers today crashes without 
any notice of what the cause is. I can help test any solutions to 
this: is anyone else having this issue?





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Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.4.1 startup issues on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

2011-07-01 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hmm. Now it is all ok? Don't know what changed.
steve

On 2/07/11 10:34 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Doesn't start on mac on first install. Looking deeper.
steve

On 2/07/11 8:09 AM, Michael Adams wrote:
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate; 3.3.x uninstalled; Java 6r26 installed (x86  
x64 versions). Attempt at using 3.4.1 from that FileHippo copy 
yielded a crash when it tries to load Hungarian dictionaries. Attempt 
at using  3.4.1 from the LibreOffice.org installers today crashes 
without any notice of what the cause is. I can help test any 
solutions to this: is anyone else having this issue?





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc: Transpose fail

2011-07-01 Thread Juan Carlos
I just installed LO3.4.1 and the bug is fixed! XD





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

2011-07-01 Thread Eric



Le 30/06/2011 01:44, planas wrote:

On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 14:59 -0700, Eric wrote:


Hi Jay,

I unfortunately must keep this document as a docx file, because it's a
working document that I need to check and modify, before sending it back to
his owner (who obviously uses MS Word).

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A possible work around is to save the file in odt, then open and edit
it. Then save as docx or doc. Doc files are better understood and easier
to handle. Also, doc files can be opened by the current version of MS
Word. Unless the files contain Word 2007/2010 specific features, this
could work.


Hi, that's what i did, unfortunately it doesn't prevent lowriter from crashing.

Here are 2 another strace logs :

1- http://dl.free.fr/b6M830KIY (crash right from the beginning)
2- http://dl.free.fr/ai9UYfNXm (random crash while i was working on the 
document)

Is anyone here who can read them and understand what is the problem (which really prevents me from working with 
LibreOffice) ?


Regards,

Eric

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Re: [libreoffice-users] 3.4.1 startup issues on Windows 7 x64 Ultimate

2011-07-01 Thread Michael Adams
I saw some other advice about deleting the profile folder: that worked, 
except LibreOffice is failing to detect Java 6r26 as a vaild JRE. I 
would recommend changing the detection so it would work for any version 
6 or 7 binary folder.


On 7/1/2011 6:39 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Hmm. Now it is all ok? Don't know what changed.
steve

On 2/07/11 10:34 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

Doesn't start on mac on first install. Looking deeper.
steve

On 2/07/11 8:09 AM, Michael Adams wrote:
Windows 7 x64 Ultimate; 3.3.x uninstalled; Java 6r26 installed (x86 
 x64 versions). Attempt at using 3.4.1 from that FileHippo copy 
yielded a crash when it tries to load Hungarian dictionaries. 
Attempt at using  3.4.1 from the LibreOffice.org installers today 
crashes without any notice of what the cause is. I can help test any 
solutions to this: is anyone else having this issue?








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[libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

2011-07-01 Thread NoOp
On 07/01/2011 04:09 PM, Eric wrote:
 
 
 Le 30/06/2011 01:44, planas wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 14:59 -0700, Eric wrote:
 
 Hi Jay,
 
 I unfortunately must keep this document as a docx file, because
 it's a working document that I need to check and modify, before
 sending it back to his owner (who obviously uses MS Word).
 
 --
 
 A possible work around is to save the file in odt, then open and
 edit it. Then save as docx or doc. Doc files are better understood
 and easier to handle. Also, doc files can be opened by the current
 version of MS Word. Unless the files contain Word 2007/2010
 specific features, this could work.
 
 Hi, that's what i did, unfortunately it doesn't prevent lowriter from
 crashing.
 
 Here are 2 another strace logs :
 
 1- http://dl.free.fr/b6M830KIY (crash right from the beginning) 2-
 http://dl.free.fr/ai9UYfNXm (random crash while i was working on the
 document)
 
 Is anyone here who can read them and understand what is the problem
 (which really prevents me from working with LibreOffice) ?


They are segmentation faults. I'd recommend trying 3.4.1 and see if that
solves your problem:
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/
You can leave your existing Ubuntu LO in place.

Just download the .deb (including the help .deb). In nautilus, right
click on the .tz and select 'Extract here'. Then go to:
LibO_3.4.1rc3_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US/DEBS in a terminal and:

$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb

Do the same for the help files:
LibO_3.4.1rc3_Linux_x86_helppack-deb_en-US/DEBS

After you've installed (again in the terminal):

$ cd /opt/libreoffice3.4/program
$ gksu gedit bootstraprc

Modify the following line:

UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.libreoffice/3
to
UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.libreoffice/3.4

Save the file  exit gedit. This will have LO 3.4 use the
~/.libreoffice/3.4 for your user profile and will not interfere with
your existing Ubuntu LO 3.3 at .libreoffice/3.

Again in the terminal:
$ /opt/libreoffice3.4/program/soffice

That will bring up 3.4.1  you can try your .docx that crashes
immediately. Let us know how that goes. If if works, then you can create
an Applications|Office menu for 3.4.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Random crashes with Libre Office Writer (strace included)

2011-07-01 Thread NoOp
On 07/01/2011 05:04 PM, NoOp wrote:
...
*Correction:*
Modify the following line:

UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.libreoffice/3
to
UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.libreoffice3.4/3

Save the file  exit gedit. This will have LO 3.4 use the
~/.libreoffice3.4/3 for your user profile and will not interfere with
your existing Ubuntu LO 3.3 at .libreoffice/3.


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[libreoffice-users] Base: Focus a record based on a sub-form

2011-07-01 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak

Consider a simplified table for catalog numbers.

CatalogID: Integer
CountryID: Integer
CatalogNumber: text

Now, consider a simplified Inventory table:

InventoryID: Integer
CatalogID: Integer

The main form contains the inventory information with a sub form 
containing the catalog numbers.


Is there an easy way to tell the form to stop showing the current record 
and go to the record with a specific catalog number?


Sure, I can write a macro attached to a button that asks for the country 
and catalog number (because the catalog number is only unique within a 
country). Unsure how to apply that, however. If there is a decent 
reference, just point me at that.


Trying to decide if I should simply purchase a program, continue with my 
OOo Macro to do this, or if I should just write write an application 
using QT.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

2011-07-01 Thread tracey002
 They do not care if the default format is an open standard or a 
 proprietary format.
 MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of 
 the older format out of luck. 
You are right: User A just wants to send a document to User B without an 
hassle (and vise versa).

Which is a good reason for Libre Office to do a better job at handling 
MS docs than MS does.
It would be noteworthy if the folks at MS Office Applications starting 
to get concerned about the developments at Libre Office.
Tracey

Jay Lozier [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
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  I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front.
  But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty
  trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool...
 
  Mark Stanton
  One small step for mankind...
 
 
 

 Part of the dirty tricks come from not understanding your customers'
 needs. Most office suite users are only interested in file formats so
 they share documents with others. In fact they would rather have on
 default format. They do not care if the default format is an open
 standard or a proprietary format.

 MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of the
 older format out of luck.

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