Re: [libreoffice-users] poor default config path

2011-09-15 Thread Matthew Monaco

On 09/14/2011 12:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Hmm, i just thought.  maybe this guide might help you change the path on your 
machine
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
Just miss out the bits where it installs another version of LibreOffice!

Something else i liked about the Arch install was the inclusion of OpenJdk6 and 
mozilla-common.  IOpenJdk7 has only come out in the last few days so it's a bit too 
recent to use.  You might not need the java runtime at all.  I have started unticking it 
on the various works machines to help LO start-up faster and had no problems so far.  
It's good to have the OpenSource version available as a fall-back in case you do need 
java tho even if it is still owned by Oracle.  I think for most distros the 
package/add-on to allow documents to open in a web-browser is called 
mozilla-libreoffice and we would never guess it's different in Arch so it's 
good to have that included as standard.  Both very small packages and including them 
neatly side-steps a range of potential troubles :)

The . in the front of the fodler-name only makes the folder hidden.  It doesn't 
really make all that much difference except that you have to remember it when 
typing out the pathname of course.

Regards from
Tom :)



I know it only makes it hidden. I'm seeing more now. 
/etc/libreoffice/bootstraprc contains the line:


UserInstallation=$SYSUSERCONFIG/.libreoffice/3

now I need to figure out where that $SYSUSERCONFIG comes from.


--- On Wed, 14/9/11, Matthew Monacodgbale...@0x01b.net  wrote:

From: Matthew Monacodgbale...@0x01b.net
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] poor default config path
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Cc: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 18:20

On 09/14/2011 06:47 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Err, sorry, which platform are you on?  Is that Bsd?  It's not the path used in 
GnuLinux and i dont remember it looking like that in Windows either although i 
could easily have missed that.
Regards from
Tom :)



My platform is Linux. Distribution is Arch. The build instructions are here:
http://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/PKGBUILD?h=packages/libreoffice

I don't see anything specifying the user config dir, so I assume what I have is
the default.


--- On Wed, 14/9/11, Matthew Monacodgbale...@0x01b.net   wrote:

From: Matthew Monacodgbale...@0x01b.net
Subject: [libreoffice-users] poor default config path
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 2:02

Why is the default config located at ~/.config/.libreoffice?

I appreciate it being under .config so as not to add to the clutter of my home directory, 
but is the . necessary? It's already in .config!

~/.config/libreoffice would do just fine.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: merged cells in Writer (saved as Word 97/2000/xp/2003)

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
The 3.3.x branch was said to have 1 years support.  

Keeping up with the very latest release is not feasable for a lot of people.  
In corporate settings you may want to have a test-sample of users using a new 
release before rolling it out to all the machines in a company.  We have just 
seen someone that got a ton of hassle over a fairly trivial change.  The 
testing and feedback process is usually a bit of a pain and quite 
time-consuming so it's not something people really want to go through all that 
often.  Also low bandwith or capped downloads or even no access to internet 
makes it difficult to keep up.  

I really like it that people in rich corporate settings have the same problems 
as people in rural or desperately poor or 3rd world settings at least in this 
way.  

Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Simon Cropper simoncrop...@fossworkflowguides.com wrote:

From: Simon Cropper simoncrop...@fossworkflowguides.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: merged cells in Writer (saved as Word 
97/2000/xp/2003)
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 4:52

On 15/09/11 13:22, James wrote:
 On 09/14/11 21:50, Simon Cropper wrote:
 On 15/09/11 11:05, James wrote:
 On 09/14/11 15:55, NoOp wrote:
 On 09/14/2011 12:17 PM, James wrote:
 On 09/14/11 14:58, JOE Conner wrote:
 On 9/14/2011 11:07 AM, James wrote:
 1. Create a new Writer document
 2. Create a new table (whatever it defaults to (but at least 2
 rows))
 3. Type 'test' in the top left cell
 4. Merge the 1st and 2nd cells in the first column
 5. SaveAs (change the format to Microsoft Word 97/2000/xp/2003)
 6. Close the document and then open it

 The merge is lost.

 Can anyone reproduce that?

 No problem with LO 3.4.3 on WinXP Pro. The saved and
 open document is the same for me, the merge is preserved.

 Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA

 Thanks.
 I guess it works on Windows.
 Linux anyone?

 Works for me: LO 3.4.3 linux. Also tested by merging the cells in the
 rows.
 BTW: you might want to let us know which version of LibreOffice you are
 using.



 3.4.3 for Linux but it is a build for Gentoo from source.


 Worked OK with my system.

 LibreOffice 3.4.2 OOO340m1 (Build:203) on Ubuntu LTS 10.04

 I noted one difference though. In STEP 5 you save as Microsoft Word
 97/2000/xp/2003 -- my system has Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP. A subtle
 difference but maybe you have a different 'Save As...' routine than
 other people.

 Very interesting but you are 1 version behind.

 LibreOffice 3.4.3
 OOO340m1 (Build:302)



That is not unusual. I can't be bothered reinstalling LO or any package 
for that matter with every minor upgrade.

 From memory I went back to a previous version when I encountered a 
problem with a calc file that was misbehaving (eventually identified the 
issue as the file being corrupted during a blackout).

Maybe someone is tinkering with the Save As... code. As a work around 
why not find an earlier version for Gentoo.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] (Writer) Numbering Problem - 'Restart at this paragraph'

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I don't know the answers to this so i would say just post a bug-report but 
hopefully someone that understands stylestemplates better than me (almost 
everyone) might have a good answer.  

The official documentation is at 
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/
and also at 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation
and a guide on how to post a bug-report is
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
but you seem to already know all that.  Note that if you post a bug-report and 
then later find it was something you were doing wrong then it's quite easy to 
close the bug-report.  

Anyway, hopefully someone will give a good answer soon 
Good luck and regards from
Tom :)




--- On Wed, 14/9/11, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.com wrote:

From: T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] (Writer) Numbering Problem - 'Restart at this 
paragraph'
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 23:14

According to everything I could find online, what I'm trying should
work. I looked at Bugzilla and could not find anything, so either I
found a new bug, or I'm not doing something right (not ruling that
out!).

In a Writer document
   A style has been created which on the 'Outline  Numbering' tab, in
the section 'Numbering', is set for 'Numbering 1'.
   Another style has been created which is linked to the style just
mentioned, but on the 'Outline  Numbering' tab, has 'Restart at this
paragraph' selected and 'Start with' set to 1 (but I've also tried
setting it to various random numbers).

In this midst of a section all set to use the first style mentioned
above, one paragraph has been set to use the second style -- but the
numbering does not start over. The numbering continues in sequence.

If, instead of applying a Style, I select 'Format' / 'Paragraph', and
select 'Restart at this paragraph' and set the number to 1 (again,
I've tried setting it to various random numbers), the numbering does
not start over, same as when using a Style selection.

I'm running LibreOffice 3.3.3 / OOO330m19 (Build:301 / tag
libreoffice-3.3.3.1, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.3-1ubuntu2
Ubuntu 11.04, Linux 2.6.38.11


Any ideas? Or should I file a bug report?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Илиан Иванов
@NoOp
I'm glad that my English is still understandable, because I've didn't
practice it serious until high school :)
Now on the subject.
I've looked trough the reports and there are several almost identical, but
only almost. The main differences are that all of them are abut different
Operating systems and are stating that Libre office's writer is crashing
after the process was started and the indicator bar freezes up in some point
in time. In those bugs mentioned by you the problem seems to be related to
the size of the files that are being converted but mine is only two pages,
and In my case Libre office crashes almost immediately after hitting the
export button without any warning, so my guess is that the problem is
different. Maybe its because I'm using 32bit Libre office on a x64 Windows 7
Home premium or maybe it's something else actually I don't know.
Unfortunately I cant reproduce the problem because I no longer have the 3.4
installed on my system. The main reason is that I'm using it not only at
home but at work too, so I need something more stable, hopefully it's the
3.3 version of the suite.
P.s.
I haven't the time to study the issue but here is the file I'm talking about
I hope it's going tobe of use for understanding the problem if it occurs of
cource.

2011/9/14 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 09/14/2011 12:58 AM, Илиан Иванов wrote:
 ...
  Hi there, I don't know is this the right place to send this but ... (you
  know) :)

 It is.

  I've had installed Libre Office 3.4.2 on my machine (Samsung r538
 notebook -
  intel core i3 processor, 4GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, with installed
 Windows 7
  home Premium x64), I've opened *.doc file created with MS Office 2003 and
  tried to save it as *.pdf. The result was that Libre office crashed in
 the
  process of saving the file in the new format.The program tried to restore
  the file (it was a success) and I've tried to save it again with the same
  result - Libre office crashing on savingthe file. Than I've tried to
 define
  different options for the file in *.pdf format before saving it but again
  the result was that the program crashed during the save/convert process.

 I find no option to 'Save As' PDF. Do you actually mean: File|Export as
 PDF?


  Afters that I've saved the file like *.odf and again the result was the
  same. Than I've downloaded a program for converting files to *.pdf
  called
  universal document converter (udc.exe) and after installing it Libre
 office
  has stopped to crash on saving documents in *.pdf format. after the final
  release of Libre office 3.4.3 I've uninstalled the UDC program and again
 the
  result was that Libre Office crashed during saving the same file in *.pdf
  format. I reali like Libre office but after theese problems I've had to
  install the 3.3 release of the suite, because (I don't know why) it
 didn't
  crashes during saving the above mentioned file like *.pdf.

 Possibly related bugs - have a look:

 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32771
 [Writer crashes while exporting big PDF file. (Error message: Der
 Wecker klingelt :-))]
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39411
 [Writer hangs consistently during Export to pdf operation]

 All related to PDF:
 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__open__product=LibreOfficecontent=PDF
 


  My question is, is there gonna be a fix for the problem (maybe in the
 next
  release of the 3.4 line ) or am I the first one to notice It?

 Have a look through the bug reports (above) and see if there is one
 identical to yours. If not, then please file a new bug if you can easily
 reproduct the issue.

 
  P.s
  Sorry for may bad English but it's not my native language

 Your English is perfectly fine by me. :-)




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Илиан Иванов
Thanks for the remark about the save as/ export error, It's my mistake,
but I'm so often using save as while I'm working so it the first thing
that came to mind while I was trying to reproduce the issue.

2011/9/14 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk

 Hi :)
 Your English was fine.  Lol.  We don't normally Save As ... to pdf.  Have
 you tried

 File - Export as Pdf

 Make sure the top option PDF/A-1a is UNticked as that has caused a few
 problems.  By default it is usually unticked anyway so that should be fine.
 It shouldn't be crashing.  If you are forced into using 3.3.4 then that
 should be fine because both the 3.3.x and 3.4.x series/branches are being
 developed alongside each other.  It is worth posting a bug-report against
 the 3.4.x tho because it really should be working fine
 Regards from
 Tom :)




 --- On Wed, 14/9/11, Илиан Иванов hellion...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Илиан Иванов hellion...@gmail.com
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on
 saving as PDF
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 8:58

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Илиан Иванов hellion...@gmail.com
 Date: 2011/9/14
 Subject: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF
 To: us...@libreoffice.org


 Hi there, I don't know is this the right place to send this but ... (you
 know) :)
 I've had installed Libre Office 3.4.2 on my machine (Samsung r538 notebook
 -
 intel core i3 processor, 4GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, with installed Windows
 7
 home Premium x64), I've opened *.doc file created with MS Office 2003 and
 tried to save it as *.pdf. The result was that Libre office crashed in the
 process of saving the file in the new format.The program tried to restore
 the file (it was a success) and I've tried to save it again with the same
 result - Libre office crashing on savingthe file. Than I've tried to define
 different options for the file in *.pdf format before saving it but again
 the result was that the program crashed during the save/convert process.
 Afters that I've saved the file like *.odf and again the result was the
 same. Than I've downloaded a program for converting files to *.pdf  called
 universal document converter (udc.exe) and after installing it Libre office
 has stopped to crash on saving documents in *.pdf format. after the final
 release of Libre office 3.4.3 I've uninstalled the UDC program and again
 the
 result was that Libre Office crashed during saving the same file in *.pdf
 format. I reali like Libre office but after theese problems I've had to
 install the 3.3 release of the suite, because (I don't know why) it didn't
 crashes during saving the above mentioned file like *.pdf.
 My question is, is there gonna be a fix for the problem (maybe in the next
 release of the 3.4 line ) or am I the first one to notice It?

 P.s
 Sorry for may bad English but it's not my native language


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Илиан Иванов
No I've not. The main reason is that right now I'm using only windows 7 Home
Premium as an operating system. I've switched jobs lately so I don't have
much time now, and I'm not planing to have another one installed soon :)

2011/9/14 Carlo Strata carlo.str...@tiscali.it

 Have you tried to *export* (not save or save as) *your original .doc file*
 to .pdf on *other* systems (Windows, linux, MacOS X; 32 and 64 bit)? Without
 installing universal document converter (udc.exe)?

 If not, could you try it and make we know?

 If the file content is free of privacy rules, you could link us so that we
 can test too on our own PCs.

 Have a nice afternoon,

 Carlo



 Il 14/09/2011 13:36, Илиан Иванов ha scritto:

  I'm from Bulgaria not from Greece. Anyway it's not the language I'm
 concerned (actually I think my post is understandable enough) but the
 problem I'm describing and is it going to be fixed in the next release of
 the 3.4 series

 2011/9/14 Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk**

  Hi :)
 I haven't read your post yet but you can try asking in your own language.
 Is it Greek?  If so there is another list you might be able to use in
 addition to this one
 http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/Local_**Mailing_Lists#Greekhttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Greek
 Whichever one gives the best answer please give a link to that answer in
 the other list if you can  ;)

 There is also a Greek version of the international website
 http://el.libreoffice.org/
 It seems to be one of the most fully translated.  Some languages only
 have
 the 2 crucial pages and some don't have any yet.
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 --- On Wed, 14/9/11, Илиан Ивановhellion...@gmail.com  wrote:

 From: Илиан Ивановhellion...@gmail.com
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on
 saving as PDF
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 14 September, 2011, 8:58

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Илиан Ивановhellion...@gmail.com
 Date: 2011/9/14
 Subject: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF
 To: us...@libreoffice.org


 Hi there, I don't know is this the right place to send this but ... (you
 know) :)
 I've had installed Libre Office 3.4.2 on my machine (Samsung r538
 notebook
 -
 intel core i3 processor, 4GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, with installed
 Windows
 7
 home Premium x64), I've opened *.doc file created with MS Office 2003 and
 tried to save it as *.pdf. The result was that Libre office crashed in
 the
 process of saving the file in the new format.The program tried to restore
 the file (it was a success) and I've tried to save it again with the same
 result - Libre office crashing on savingthe file. Than I've tried to
 define
 different options for the file in *.pdf format before saving it but again
 the result was that the program crashed during the save/convert process.
 Afters that I've saved the file like *.odf and again the result was the
 same. Than I've downloaded a program for converting files to *.pdf
  called
 universal document converter (udc.exe) and after installing it Libre
 office
 has stopped to crash on saving documents in *.pdf format. after the final
 release of Libre office 3.4.3 I've uninstalled the UDC program and again
 the
 result was that Libre Office crashed during saving the same file in *.pdf
 format. I reali like Libre office but after theese problems I've had to
 install the 3.3 release of the suite, because (I don't know why) it
 didn't
 crashes during saving the above mentioned file like *.pdf.
 My question is, is there gonna be a fix for the problem (maybe in the
 next
 release of the 3.4 line ) or am I the first one to notice It?

 P.s
 Sorry for may bad English but it's not my native language


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Илиан Иванов
Ah, i've didn't notice that the board did not support attachments so here's
link for the file. i hope this time it works :)

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxMC-_kAohXrYjFjZWQ5ZTUtOGUwNS00MDdmLThhYTYtMTM0MjYyYjMwZWMzhl=bg

2011/9/15 Илиан Иванов hellion...@gmail.com

 @NoOp
 I'm glad that my English is still understandable, because I've didn't
 practice it serious until high school :)
 Now on the subject.
 I've looked trough the reports and there are several almost identical, but
 only almost. The main differences are that all of them are abut different
 Operating systems and are stating that Libre office's writer is crashing
 after the process was started and the indicator bar freezes up in some point
 in time. In those bugs mentioned by you the problem seems to be related to
 the size of the files that are being converted but mine is only two pages,
 and In my case Libre office crashes almost immediately after hitting the
 export button without any warning, so my guess is that the problem is
 different. Maybe its because I'm using 32bit Libre office on a x64 Windows 7
 Home premium or maybe it's something else actually I don't know.
 Unfortunately I cant reproduce the problem because I no longer have the 3.4
 installed on my system. The main reason is that I'm using it not only at
 home but at work too, so I need something more stable, hopefully it's the
 3.3 version of the suite.
 P.s.
 I haven't the time to study the issue but here is the file I'm talking
 about I hope it's going tobe of use for understanding the problem if
 it occurs of cource.

 2011/9/14 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 09/14/2011 12:58 AM, Илиан Иванов wrote:
 ...
  Hi there, I don't know is this the right place to send this but ... (you
  know) :)

 It is.

  I've had installed Libre Office 3.4.2 on my machine (Samsung r538
 notebook -
  intel core i3 processor, 4GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, with installed
 Windows 7
  home Premium x64), I've opened *.doc file created with MS Office 2003
 and
  tried to save it as *.pdf. The result was that Libre office crashed in
 the
  process of saving the file in the new format.The program tried to
 restore
  the file (it was a success) and I've tried to save it again with the
 same
  result - Libre office crashing on savingthe file. Than I've tried to
 define
  different options for the file in *.pdf format before saving it but
 again
  the result was that the program crashed during the save/convert process.

 I find no option to 'Save As' PDF. Do you actually mean: File|Export as
 PDF?


  Afters that I've saved the file like *.odf and again the result was the
  same. Than I've downloaded a program for converting files to *.pdf
  called
  universal document converter (udc.exe) and after installing it Libre
 office
  has stopped to crash on saving documents in *.pdf format. after the
 final
  release of Libre office 3.4.3 I've uninstalled the UDC program and again
 the
  result was that Libre Office crashed during saving the same file in
 *.pdf
  format. I reali like Libre office but after theese problems I've had to
  install the 3.3 release of the suite, because (I don't know why) it
 didn't
  crashes during saving the above mentioned file like *.pdf.

 Possibly related bugs - have a look:

 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32771
 [Writer crashes while exporting big PDF file. (Error message: Der
 Wecker klingelt :-))]
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39411
 [Writer hangs consistently during Export to pdf operation]

 All related to PDF:
 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specificorder=relevance+descbug_status=__open__product=LibreOfficecontent=PDF
 


  My question is, is there gonna be a fix for the problem (maybe in the
 next
  release of the 3.4 line ) or am I the first one to notice It?

 Have a look through the bug reports (above) and see if there is one
 identical to yours. If not, then please file a new bug if you can easily
 reproduct the issue.

 
  P.s
  Sorry for may bad English but it's not my native language

 Your English is perfectly fine by me. :-)




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[libreoffice-users] docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Guy Voets
Hi,

I made a translation of a docx file. Just copied and pasted
'special/without formatting' the translated text over each segment of
the original text, in order to keep the initial formatting.
The file format of the document was docx, and I never changed that -as
far as I know at least, I'm aware that there are several versions of
the docx format.
When I send the translated document back to the person that asked me
to translate it, he couldn't open it.
According to the info in the Save dialog, the original document would
be a 2007 XML docx file. According to Mac file info, it's an Office
Open XML (I suppose that's the same). The document I sent back, has
the same format.

So what went wrong?
In LibO, I can open de document without any problem.
What can I do when this happens again?
I sent another copy in good old doc format, but I suppose I should
also recommend not using docx, and propose a download of LibO to solve
such compatibility issues.

Thanks for your help...
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Tom
Hi :)
Ok, i have uploaded the Pdf to Nabble

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3338545/CENOVA_LISTA_01_09_2011-_M-tagged.pdf
CENOVA_LISTA_01_09_2011-_M-tagged.pdf 

LibreOffice 3.3.2 didn't crash while creating it in GnuLinux (Ubuntu 10.04
(i think.  Although it might be Ubuntu 10.10 i forget which machine has what
sometimes)).  I made it as a tagged Pdf because apparently it makes it much
more accessible for people with screen-readers and things.  It does make it
25% larger in this case.  

Ok, the Windows version of LO is sometimes a little different from the
GNuLinux / Bsd / Mac version so it's worth posting a bug-report about the
problem if you have time
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
Regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Tom
Hi :)
MS Office is temporarily having troubles with security issues.  It might be
that the person you are sending to has troubles with .docx, .doc and .rtfs
from other people too.  Apparently a patch was released by MS on Tuesady to
fix the security issue but that patch might be causing this problem.  

On the other hand it could be a LibreOffice problem.  The 3.4.x branch is
often better at .docX format than the 3.3.x branch.  A lot of programs have
trouble with the .docX format so it's probably better to stick with the .doc
format.  

The best answer is to give them the link to download LibreOffice so that
they can use the much safer Odt format.  MS Office can't read the newer Odt
format that LibreOffice and most other programs use by default.  People
would download something to read a Pdf so why not for Odt? ;)  I think
people worry until they find they can keep MS Office as their default Office
Suite but still have LO alongside it for the types of things that MS Office
can't do so well (Draw, Math, Export to Pdf, not constantly running into
security problems, etc).  

So, i would give them a .doc version, maybe a Pdf too and the download link
so they can get LibreOffice.
Regards from
Tom :) 

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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of spreadsheet not considered a change.

2011-09-15 Thread Hampson, Alex
LibreOffice (and it's predecessor OpenOffice) have a behaviour that is 
different to that of Microsoft Office:
If you have a spreadsheet that you have made changes to and save you work 
(using SAVE) and then change your view by scrolling and/or changing the current 
cell, this is not considered by the product to be a change and the SAVE option 
remains grayed out. For me, the spreadsheet view is an important piece of 
information I want to save. I know that SAVE AS does enable to save by 
replacing the previously saved copy, but this is really only acceptable as a 
temporary workaround. Would you fix this behaviour.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of spreadsheet not considered a change.

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
You could write it up as a wish-list item or feature request
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
Calc is not meant to be an exact copy of Excel but it helps to have a lot of 
functionality the same.  

CtrlsShift s
is a bit of a clumsy key-combination to get at the Save As ..  dialogue but 
it might be possible to sort out soemthign simpler.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Hampson, Alex alex.hamp...@uk.tesco.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of spreadsheet 
not considered a change.
To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 10:57

LibreOffice (and it's predecessor OpenOffice) have a behaviour that is 
different to that of Microsoft Office:
If you have a spreadsheet that you have made changes to and save you work 
(using SAVE) and then change your view by scrolling and/or changing the current 
cell, this is not considered by the product to be a change and the SAVE option 
remains grayed out. For me, the spreadsheet view is an important piece of 
information I want to save. I know that SAVE AS does enable to save by 
replacing the previously saved copy, but this is really only acceptable as a 
temporary workaround. Would you fix this behaviour.

Alex Hampson
Mainframe System Programmer
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of spreadsheet not considered a change.

2011-09-15 Thread Chris Morgan

You can also enable the option in Tools-Options, LibreOffice-General
'Allow to save document even when the document is not modified'

This will prevent the Save button on the toolbar being greyed
out, so you can click Save whenever you want.

cheers,

Chris


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On 15/09/2011 12:17, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
You could write it up as a wish-list item or feature request
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
Calc is not meant to be an exact copy of Excel but it helps to have a lot of 
functionality the same.

CtrlsShift  s
is a bit of a clumsy key-combination to get at the Save As ..  dialogue but 
it might be possible to sort out soemthign simpler.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Hampson, Alexalex.hamp...@uk.tesco.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of spreadsheet not 
considered a change.
To: users@global.libreoffice.orgusers@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 10:57

LibreOffice (and it's predecessor OpenOffice) have a behaviour that is 
different to that of Microsoft Office:
If you have a spreadsheet that you have made changes to and save you work (using SAVE) 
and then change your view by scrolling and/or changing the current cell, this is not 
considered by the product to be a change and the SAVE option remains grayed out. For me, 
the spreadsheet view is an important piece of information I want to save. I know that 
SAVE AS does enable to save by replacing the previously saved copy, but this 
is really only acceptable as a temporary workaround. Would you fix this behaviour.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of spreadsheet not considered a change.

2011-09-15 Thread Hampson, Alex
 
Thanks Chris, changing that option provides what I needed.

Alex Hampson
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Sent: 15 September 2011 12:26
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of 
spreadsheet not considered a change.

You can also enable the option in Tools-Options, LibreOffice-General 'Allow to 
save document even when the document is not modified'

This will prevent the Save button on the toolbar being greyed out, so you can 
click Save whenever you want.

cheers,

Chris


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On 15/09/2011 12:17, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 You could write it up as a wish-list item or feature request 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
 Calc is not meant to be an exact copy of Excel but it helps to have a lot of 
 functionality the same.

 CtrlsShift  s
 is a bit of a clumsy key-combination to get at the Save As ..  dialogue but 
 it might be possible to sort out soemthign simpler.
 Regards from
 Tom :)


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 From: Hampson, Alexalex.hamp...@uk.tesco.com
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice CALC bug: changing view of 
 spreadsheet not considered a change.
 To: users@global.libreoffice.orgusers@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 10:57

 LibreOffice (and it's predecessor OpenOffice) have a behaviour that is 
 different to that of Microsoft Office:
 If you have a spreadsheet that you have made changes to and save you work 
 (using SAVE) and then change your view by scrolling and/or changing the 
 current cell, this is not considered by the product to be a change and the 
 SAVE option remains grayed out. For me, the spreadsheet view is an important 
 piece of information I want to save. I know that SAVE AS does enable to 
 save by replacing the previously saved copy, but this is really only 
 acceptable as a temporary workaround. Would you fix this behaviour.

 Alex Hampson
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 * alex.hamp...@uk.tesco.commailto:alex.hamp...@uk.tesco.com


 
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[libreoffice-users] LibO Extensions Adventure Continues

2011-09-15 Thread Onyeibo Oku
Sometime ago, I wrote to this list when I was developing an Extension
for automating some tasks for fellow lecturers using spreadsheets to
compute School Results. I was advocating migration from MS-Office to
LibO for my colleagues because they knew little about spreadsheets and
were using mostly pirated software.

The adventure, so far, has been intriguing and fraught with challenges.
The solution was not new.  I was porting something I did in 2006 from
VBA to Python for LibO -- an opportunity to test my skills in python for
real.  The new one is better implemented.

On Thursday,September 8, 2011, I formally presented the update to the
Department of Architecture in Enugu State University, Nigeria.  It was
totally welcomed.  That means LibO is staying as far as the department
is concerned.  I have Hanya to thank for this progress.  Please see:
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45t=43492

I aim to push LibO further than that.  I'm being asked to document the
Extension.  To do that, I need to replace the generic icons I used in my
demo/beta toolbar with something unique.  The adventure is now on *phase
two*.

Questions:
Why is LibO requiring magenta (0xFF00FF) to interpret transparency for
toolbar icons? The wiki states that it (imageidentifier) is deprecated
yet all attempts to use the 'images' configuration branch fail.  With
'images' branch, transparencies in PNG are supported.  Why can't I get
this to work?  Anybody interested in seeing a sample of my addon.xcu file???

Is there a way to ensure macro privacy/invisibility even for extensions
installed by users (not administrators)?.  This is one area VBA still
beats LibO.  In Excel the macros a wrapped up in the .XLS file and can
be password protected (However, tools exist to extract the password ...
hehehe).  In libO, one only needs to know the installation paths to see
everything.

I am still activating a macro listener manually after loading the target
document.  Attempts to do this via events throw errors. The event is
passing an argument I cannot decode yet. Yeah, I know ... someone needs
to read the developers guide again.  Any ideas are welcome though.

Why does the toolbar icons show in Linux and disappear in LibO 3.4
(Windows).  Is there something different in 3.4 specs?

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[libreoffice-users] Kim Komando Show [newsletter] promotes LibreOffice

2011-09-15 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


If you never heard of Kim Komando, the digital goddess, she has a 
nationally broadcasted tech radio show, e-newsletters, and a column in 
USA Today national newspaper.


In her Daily Download e-newsletter, she is promoting LibreOffice as a 
Microsoft Office Alternative.


This lady has a large following on the radio, and with her 
e-newsletters.  I do not read USA Today, so I do not know how well those 
articles are.


So here is another way for advertisement and promotion for LibreOffice.

Below is the listing in the Daily Download and the online article.  I 
have removed the non-LO related  information and advertising from these 
so it will not be an issue.




--- from the e-newsletter -

A free substitute for Microsoft Office

Microsoft Office is the gold standard for productivity software. It's 
used by everyone from students to major corporations. That popularity is 
definitely reflected in the price tag.


What if you can't afford Microsoft Office? Perhaps you just need 
something for a short-term project and can't justify the investment 
right now. Good news: There are several free alternatives to Office. 
Depending on your needs, some work just as well as Microsoft's 
productivity suite.


LibreOffice is an excellent alternative. It offers six programs, and 
you'll find most of them instantly familiar.


For example there's Writer, which is a Word clone. Then there's Calc, 
which is a spreadsheet like Excel. There's also Impress, a presentation 
program similar to PowerPoint.


Those are the options you're most likely to need. A drawing program, a 
database program and an equation program round out the offerings. All of 
these combined make for an excellent replacement to pricier suites.


LibreOffice is also compatible with the most popular document formats. 
It can read .DOC from Word and .XLS from Excel, for example. That only 
scrapes the surface of what it offers.


Cost: Free
Systems: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Mac OSX

Click Here to Download Now 

-- NOTE her download link goes to her online article 

-- the online article link and the text 

http://www.komando.com/downloads/category.aspx?id=10270utm_medium=nlutm_source=dotdutm_content=2011-09-15-articleutm_campaign=title 
http://www.komando.com/downloads/category.aspx?id=10270utm_medium=nlutm_source=dotdutm_content=2011-09-15-articleutm_campaign=title


A free substitute for Microsoft Office

Microsoft Office is the gold standard for productivity software. It's 
used by everyone from students to major corporations. That popularity is 
definitely reflected in the price tag.


What if you can't afford Microsoft Office? Perhaps you just need 
something for a short-term project and can't justify the investment 
right now. Good news: There are several free alternatives to Office. 
Depending on your needs, some work just as well as Microsoft's 
productivity suite.


LibreOffice is an excellent alternative. It offers six programs, and 
you'll find most of them instantly familiar.


For example there's Writer, which is a Word clone. Then there's Calc, 
which is a spreadsheet like Excel. There's also Impress, a presentation 
program similar to PowerPoint.


Those are the options you're most likely to need. A drawing program, a 
database program and an equation program round out the offerings. All of 
these combined make for an excellent replacement to pricier suites.


LibreOffice is also compatible with the most popular document formats. 
It can read .DOC from Word and .XLS from Excel, for example. That only 
scrapes the surface of what it offers.


Cost: Free

Link: www.libreoffice.org

System: Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac OS X

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-15 Thread draganb
 Are you really stuck or just unwilling to explain to your clients
 that you are using LO and the benefits derived from using LO? 

The problem is not that we are unwilling to explain to our co-workers that
we are using LO. We, as I suppose many others, are trying to introduce LO in
our organization slowly, step by step. Maybe it will never happen that all
users use LO, but I personally would be happy if even half of them do. 
So, this means that we need interoperability between the new LO users and
the old MS users. For the sake of this interoperability we are choosing the
MS formats. We also cannot use the ODF format unfortunately because our
external corespondents use MS. 

You ask why we use LO then? Well, we have, of course, legal copies of M$
Office, but they tend to age if you don't pay for ever new versions. So, we
want to use it for the simple reason of saving some money on MS licenses. 

As for legal implications of signing MS formats with LO, I agree with
krackedpress that this should not be an issue, although I'm not 100% sure. I
hope there will be some universal standard for some kind of file container
in the future where you could embed the actual file and it's digital
signature together, whether it be MS document, LO documents, or even PDF,
JPG, PNG, MP3, AVI...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


I was wondering if, until the issue is solved, would the person want to 
use a PDF printer to print to a PDF file.  For Windows computers, I 
have used doPDF as the default printer so people could print out the web 
pages, emails, or office documents into a PDF document to save for later 
printing as needed.  Right now with LO's issue for not working with the 
duplex options for my printer, this is the only way I can print on both 
sides of the paper.


So, since the thread shows Win7 for the OS, I think the person should 
download this FREE PDF printer to use until the Export to PDF issue 
gets fixed.  It is a solution, for now.  To be honest, I run 3.4.1 on 
Ubuntu 64-bit and I have no problems with Export to PDF.  But if that 
is an issue for 3.4.2, is it solved in 3.4.3?  Or is it an issue that 
started in 3.4.2 and is in 3.4.3?


Also, since there is bulgarian (cyrillic) involved, doPDF will embed 
the font into the document, any working font as far as my usage shows.  
Sometimes with LO, their exported PDF documents do not have the proper 
fonts, specialty fonts mostly, shown in their PDF files.  I do [or did] 
a lot of documents that had decorative and specialty fonts on the page.  
My newsletters used a lot of them.  I started using doPDF then, and 
CUPS-PDF for Linux now, for most of my PDF printing needs.  I use LO's 
Export to PDF when I need to create landscape documents that are to be 
read, more than printing.  CUPS-PDF shows the document as portrait with 
the text sideways so it will be landscape if printed.  LO fixes that 
CUPS issue.  doPDF [for Windows] does not have that issue either.



On 09/15/2011 08:34 AM, lnvas wrote:

On 9/14/2011 3:58 AM, Илиан Иванов wrote:

[...]
I've had installed Libre Office 3.4.2 on my machine (Samsung r538 notebook -
intel core i3 processor, 4GB of RAM and 500 GB HDD, with installed Windows 7
home Premium x64), I've opened *.doc file created with MS Office 2003 and
tried to save it as *.pdf. The result was that Libre office crashed [...]


I've received the *.doc file from the OP and it converts OK to PDF under
WinXP SP2
LibreOffice 3.4.3
OOO340m1 (Build:302)

FileExportAsPDF

Nothing special, for me, it's in bulgarian (cyrillic), though.
There's a small picture anchored as char on the 2nd row.
Additionally, the OP said he's using 32-bit LO on 64-bit OS.

(Searching for UDC, i've encountered some issues about it!)

Regards,
Lyudmil




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Kim Komando Show [newsletter] promotes LibreOffice

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Thanks :)
I added the article to the LibreOffice in The Press page
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press
I wrote to them ages ago to get permission to use the their section's tag-line 
and they approved it.
Regards from
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Subject: [libreoffice-users] Kim Komando Show [newsletter] promotes LibreOffice
To: LibreO - Marketing US market...@us.libreoffice.org, LibreO - Users 
Global users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 14:00


If you never heard of Kim Komando, the digital goddess, she has a nationally 
broadcasted tech radio show, e-newsletters, and a column in USA Today national 
newspaper.

In her Daily Download e-newsletter, she is promoting LibreOffice as a 
Microsoft Office Alternative.

This lady has a large following on the radio, and with her e-newsletters.  I do 
not read USA Today, so I do not know how well those articles are.

So here is another way for advertisement and promotion for LibreOffice.

Below is the listing in the Daily Download and the online article.  I have 
removed the non-LO related  information and advertising from these so it will 
not be an issue.



--- from the e-newsletter -

A free substitute for Microsoft Office

Microsoft Office is the gold standard for productivity software. It's used by 
everyone from students to major corporations. That popularity is definitely 
reflected in the price tag.

What if you can't afford Microsoft Office? Perhaps you just need something for 
a short-term project and can't justify the investment right now. Good news: 
There are several free alternatives to Office. Depending on your needs, some 
work just as well as Microsoft's productivity suite.

LibreOffice is an excellent alternative. It offers six programs, and you'll 
find most of them instantly familiar.

For example there's Writer, which is a Word clone. Then there's Calc, which is 
a spreadsheet like Excel. There's also Impress, a presentation program similar 
to PowerPoint.

Those are the options you're most likely to need. A drawing program, a database 
program and an equation program round out the offerings. All of these combined 
make for an excellent replacement to pricier suites.

LibreOffice is also compatible with the most popular document formats. It can 
read .DOC from Word and .XLS from Excel, for example. That only scrapes the 
surface of what it offers.

Cost: Free
Systems: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, and Mac OSX

Click Here to Download Now 

-- NOTE her download link goes to her online article 

-- the online article link and the text 

http://www.komando.com/downloads/category.aspx?id=10270utm_medium=nlutm_source=dotdutm_content=2011-09-15-articleutm_campaign=title
 
http://www.komando.com/downloads/category.aspx?id=10270utm_medium=nlutm_source=dotdutm_content=2011-09-15-articleutm_campaign=title

A free substitute for Microsoft Office

Microsoft Office is the gold standard for productivity software. It's used by 
everyone from students to major corporations. That popularity is definitely 
reflected in the price tag.

What if you can't afford Microsoft Office? Perhaps you just need something for 
a short-term project and can't justify the investment right now. Good news: 
There are several free alternatives to Office. Depending on your needs, some 
work just as well as Microsoft's productivity suite.

LibreOffice is an excellent alternative. It offers six programs, and you'll 
find most of them instantly familiar.

For example there's Writer, which is a Word clone. Then there's Calc, which is 
a spreadsheet like Excel. There's also Impress, a presentation program similar 
to PowerPoint.

Those are the options you're most likely to need. A drawing program, a database 
program and an equation program round out the offerings. All of these combined 
make for an excellent replacement to pricier suites.

LibreOffice is also compatible with the most popular document formats. It can 
read .DOC from Word and .XLS from Excel, for example. That only scrapes the 
surface of what it offers.

Cost: Free

Link: www.libreoffice.org

System: Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac OS X

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibO Extensions Adventure Continues

2011-09-15 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions

On 09/15/2011 08:03 AM, Onyeibo Oku wrote:

Sometime ago, I wrote to this list when I was developing an Extension
for automating some tasks for fellow lecturers using spreadsheets to
compute School Results. I was advocating migration from MS-Office to
LibO for my colleagues because they knew little about spreadsheets and
were using mostly pirated software.


LO over pirated MSO, yes they need to get rid of the pirates.

The adventure, so far, has been intriguing and fraught with challenges.
The solution was not new.  I was porting something I did in 2006 from
VBA to Python for LibO -- an opportunity to test my skills in python for
real.  The new one is better implemented.

On Thursday,September 8, 2011, I formally presented the update to the
Department of Architecture in Enugu State University, Nigeria.  It was
totally welcomed.  That means LibO is staying as far as the department
is concerned.  I have Hanya to thank for this progress.  Please see:
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45t=43492

I aim to push LibO further than that.  I'm being asked to document the
Extension.  To do that, I need to replace the generic icons I used in my
demo/beta toolbar with something unique.  The adventure is now on *phase
two*.

Questions:
Why is LibO requiring magenta (0xFF00FF) to interpret transparency for
toolbar icons? The wiki states that it (imageidentifier) is deprecated
yet all attempts to use the 'images' configuration branch fail.  With
'images' branch, transparencies in PNG are supported.  Why can't I get
this to work?  Anybody interested in seeing a sample of my addon.xcu file???

Is there a way to ensure macro privacy/invisibility even for extensions
installed by users (not administrators)?.  This is one area VBA still
beats LibO.  In Excel the macros a wrapped up in the .XLS file and can
be password protected (However, tools exist to extract the password ...
hehehe).  In libO, one only needs to know the installation paths to see
everything.



IS the computers going to be attached to an in-house 
network/file-server?  If so, is there a way to have the installation 
folder on a network drive with READ-ONLY unless you have the password to 
the folder?  I know that you can edit some of the paths.  OR, is there a 
way, with Windows systems, to password protect as READ-ONLY for a folder 
unless you sign in as an administrator?  I know that you use to be able 
to HIDE files and folders by changing the attributes for them.  If there 
hidden or read-only, then that could solve some problems here.

I am still activating a macro listener manually after loading the target
document.  Attempts to do this via events throw errors. The event is
passing an argument I cannot decode yet. Yeah, I know ... someone needs
to read the developers guide again.  Any ideas are welcome though.

Why does the toolbar icons show in Linux and disappear in LibO 3.4
(Windows).  Is there something different in 3.4 specs?
I have seen, in the LO Extension test site that there are some listed 
with a versions for 3.3.x and 3.4.x, so it looks like there may be some 
specification changes.  I know that LO is slowly removing JAVA from 
their code and replacing it with Python [I believe] so there may be some 
issues there, or not.




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[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-15 Thread Tom
Hi :)
I think i would push for Creative Commons Licences on documents.  I'm not
sure what digital signing does but Creative Commons is copyright protection
that fits well with the OpenSource and OpenDocument Format ideals.  

Please could you post a link to the bug-report about this issue
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
Until it gets fixed could you copy the document to a machine that does have
MS Office and use that to open the document, do the digital sig and then
save?
Regards from
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[libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-09-15 Thread Tim Casey
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


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Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-15 Thread draganb
Thanks for the suggestion Tom,
a colleague programmer of mine, already suggested a workaround until this
issue is resolved in LO. There is a set of APIs in .NET that could be used
to sign MS Format documents without the need to have MS Office installed.
This is because MS formats use a standardized container defined by MS which
handles the task of digital signing.

And about digital signatures vs copyright, in simple terms,
Probably you already know this, but for the sake of the discussion, digital
signing is a process by which you can verify that a given document and it's
current contents originates from a specific user and only from him and
nobody else. This user is first correctly identified that he really is who
he claims he is by a certification authority (CA) which gives him the
certificate he can use to sign. 

The second part is verification. If I TRUST the CA that gave this user a
certificate and if the signature is valid, I can be sure that the document
originates from him and is not altered after signing or altogether created
by a third untrusted party.

As such, (i think) it is somewhat different from the CC license, or
copyright in general.

Regards,
Dragan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] unsubscribe

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
HI :)
Instructions on how to unsubscribe are in this guide
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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread e-letter
On 15/09/2011, Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com wrote:
 What can I do when this happens again?

You should send in odf and tell your recipient to use LO. If the
recipient cannot use LO you should buy m$ and continue to use m$
formats. Then when there are compatibility issues, you write to m$
technical support.

Do you expect the recipient to write to m$ and say: I received this
m$ file and I can't open it. The sender is using LO. M$, please change
the m$ format???

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Re: [libreoffice-users] docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Easy tiger!  No need to be so hostile!  
Regards from
Tom :)


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To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:31

On 15/09/2011, Guy Voets nimant...@gmail.com wrote:
 What can I do when this happens again?

You should send in odf and tell your recipient to use LO. If the
recipient cannot use LO you should buy m$ and continue to use m$
formats. Then when there are compatibility issues, you write to m$
technical support.

Do you expect the recipient to write to m$ and say: I received this
m$ file and I can't open it. The sender is using LO. M$, please change
the m$ format???

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[libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 15/09/11 11:57, Guy Voets a écrit :

Hi Guy,

 So what went wrong?

My current experience of importing and exporting docx format files is
one of hit or miss...

I have gone back to NeoOffice 3.1.2 and OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 in order to
load these files, as they seem to at least be able to give me something
to work with.


Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


I tell everyone that I deal with that MS does not support those x 
formats the same between their different version of Office.  I know 
people who save their documents in .docx with Office 2010 and it does 
not work completely read by Office 2007.  SO I tell them unless there is 
a dire need to save it in those x formats, use the ones that go from 
Office 97 through 2003.  Myself, I dropped MSO at 2003, but I still have 
copies of MSO 2003, MSO XP, and if I can find where I put it I have MSO 
97 as well.  I dropped using MSO when I went to Ubuntu-Linux as my 
default desktop OS in Feb 2010.  Dropped it from my laptops sometime 
after LO came out.


I am setting up an old IBM server with my last copy of XP Home [32-bit] 
and I have placed MSO 2003 on it, but then installed LO 3.3.x with the 
MSO files defaulted to LO instead of MSO.  The secretary [in training] 
may need to learn MSO, but she will have LO on it so she can do her 
typing with an easier to use package.


So, promote the use of MSO files that are the legacy ones that can be 
used by Office 2003 or earlier.  Try to get your people to stop using 
these flaky x formats.


Personally I think MS wanted to have their own formats that was their 
response to the creation of the ODF office file formats.  ODF became the 
International Standards Organization the standard for office file 
formats instead of MSO's x formats, and then MSO spread some money 
around and got ISO to state there are two standards [when they normally 
have only one standard for each product or system].  MSO then decided 
that, since they would not be in control of the open source part of 
the standard, they would not fully support their open x formats.


On 09/15/2011 10:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Andreas Sägerville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LibO Extensions Adventure Continues

2011-09-15 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 15/09/11 14:03, Onyeibo Oku a écrit :


Hi,

 Questions:
 Why is LibO requiring magenta (0xFF00FF) to interpret transparency for
 toolbar icons? The wiki states that it (imageidentifier) is deprecated
 yet all attempts to use the 'images' configuration branch fail.  With
 'images' branch, transparencies in PNG are supported.  Why can't I get
 this to work?  Anybody interested in seeing a sample of my addon.xcu file???
 
 Is there a way to ensure macro privacy/invisibility even for extensions
 installed by users (not administrators)?.  This is one area VBA still
 beats LibO.  In Excel the macros a wrapped up in the .XLS file and can
 be password protected (However, tools exist to extract the password ...
 hehehe).  In libO, one only needs to know the installation paths to see
 everything.
 
 I am still activating a macro listener manually after loading the target
 document.  Attempts to do this via events throw errors. The event is
 passing an argument I cannot decode yet. Yeah, I know ... someone needs
 to read the developers guide again.  Any ideas are welcome though.
 
 Why does the toolbar icons show in Linux and disappear in LibO 3.4
 (Windows).  Is there something different in 3.4 specs?
 


You would be better off asking these questions on the developer list as
they you would be more likely to receive a relevant response there.

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibO Extensions Adventure Continues

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I thought the Design List might be interested in helping with creating buttons, 
icons and things.  I think Design is fairly low traffic so it's not goign to 
clog your inbox like the other lists and might prove to be very useful :)
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibO Extensions Adventure Continues
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 16:30

Le 15/09/11 14:03, Onyeibo Oku a écrit :


Hi,

 Questions:
 Why is LibO requiring magenta (0xFF00FF) to interpret transparency for
 toolbar icons? The wiki states that it (imageidentifier) is deprecated
 yet all attempts to use the 'images' configuration branch fail.  With
 'images' branch, transparencies in PNG are supported.  Why can't I get
 this to work?  Anybody interested in seeing a sample of my addon.xcu file???
 
 Is there a way to ensure macro privacy/invisibility even for extensions
 installed by users (not administrators)?.  This is one area VBA still
 beats LibO.  In Excel the macros a wrapped up in the .XLS file and can
 be password protected (However, tools exist to extract the password ...
 hehehe).  In libO, one only needs to know the installation paths to see
 everything.
 
 I am still activating a macro listener manually after loading the target
 document.  Attempts to do this via events throw errors. The event is
 passing an argument I cannot decode yet. Yeah, I know ... someone needs
 to read the developers guide again.  Any ideas are welcome though.
 
 Why does the toolbar icons show in Linux and disappear in LibO 3.4
 (Windows).  Is there something different in 3.4 specs?
 


You would be better off asking these questions on the developer list as
they you would be more likely to receive a relevant response there.

Alex


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
You might need to delete or re-name LibreOffice's user profile
C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\3\user

You can probably just use your normal file-browser to navigate to the folder 
and delete it before trying to re-install LO (again).  I tend to create a copy 
of the  3 folder to back-up the settings, galleries and extensions etc.  
Instead of re-installing i just rename the 3 folder so that LO is forced to 
generate a new one.  That usually gets LO back to factory defaults.  Your 
situation is a bit different tho.  

Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:41

Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition

Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but uninstalled
it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in did
in version 3.4.2.

I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been able to
locate the installation files.

So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try to
install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are trying to
use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try again, or
enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
libreoffice34.msi in the box below.

The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if do
an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

If I hit OK - I then get the following error:

The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation package
for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice 3.4.

The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not problem
accessing files on the drive or folder.

Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older version of
libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer to
use LibreOffice.

Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread planas
Hi

On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 17:25 +0200, Alexander Thurgood wrote: 

 Le 15/09/11 11:57, Guy Voets a écrit :
 
 Hi Guy,
 
  So what went wrong?
 
 My current experience of importing and exporting docx format files is
 one of hit or miss...
 
 I have gone back to NeoOffice 3.1.2 and OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 in order to
 load these files, as they seem to at least be able to give me something
 to work with.
 
 
 Alex
 
 

I have not had any problems with -x formats with relatively simple Word
and Excel files using 3.4.x. I have some trouble with 3.3.0/1 reading
the -x format even with simple files.

As precaution I like to save any file in the appropriate odf format as
well as -x format.

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[libreoffice-users] Wrong decimal separator used in locales

2011-09-15 Thread McEric
Hello,

I've noticed that Calc doesn't handle decimal numbers correctly when using
any of the three locales for Switzerland (German, French, Italian). It
ignores values that use a comma as decimal symbol. The convention in
Switzerland is to use a point for currency values and a comma for everything
else.

My first guess was to look at the region settings in Windows 7. For some
reason Windows 7 by default also assumes that a point is used in Switzerland
for all numbers (not only currencies). I've changed the system wide setting
and hoped that it would effect LibreOffice (3.3.4) as well, but LibreOffice
seems to ignore the changes I made and still expects a decimal point for all
values when using the locale German (Switzerland). Changing the setting for
Decimal separator key in the language settings dialog for LibreOffice to
Same as locale setting made no difference for me.

Is there a way to fix this, besides using the locale of a different country?

Thanks in advance!

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[libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 15.09.2011 18:36, planas wrote:


As precaution I like to save any file in the appropriate odf format as
well as -x format.



ODF is the one and only important file format when *you edit* files.
PDF is the one and only important file format when you send copies of 
your files to arbitrary receipients for *reading*.
If, and only if, you need to *collaborate* on the same files with users 
of MS Office, then you have to share the old legacy file formats in 
order to get the best possible results.
The OOXML formats are completely obsolete. LibreOffice should be able to 
read that pestilence as well as possible, but it should not generate and 
spread it.




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread V Stuart Foote
Had a similar experience with Windows 7 64-bit, at LO 3.3.2 -- 3.4.0
and then again recently 3.4.2 -- 3.4.3  

Found I simply needed to reboot following the uninstall, and then
install.

-Original Message-
From: Jonathon Waterman [mailto:peedyswo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:42 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition

Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
uninstalled
it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in
did
in version 3.4.2.

I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been
able to
locate the installation files.

So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try
to
install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are
trying to
use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try
again, or
enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
libreoffice34.msi in the box below.

The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if
do
an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

If I hit OK - I then get the following error:

The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
package
for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice
3.4.

The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not
problem
accessing files on the drive or folder.

Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older
version of
libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer
to
use LibreOffice.

Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
On 09/15/2011 02:50 AM, Илиан Иванов wrote:
 Ah, i've didn't notice that the board did not support attachments so here's
 link for the file. i hope this time it works :)
 
 https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxMC-_kAohXrYjFjZWQ5ZTUtOGUwNS00MDdmLThhYTYtMTM0MjYyYjMwZWMzhl=bg
 
...
Got it - thanks.

I exported as pdf (File|Export as PDF) without issues on:

LO 3.4.3 (linux)
LO 3.3.4 (linux)

LO 3.3.4 (Win7)
LO 3.4.3 (Win7)

The Win7's are on the same machine (Win7 64bit Home Premium); I tried
3.3.4 first, then uninstalled, and then installed 3.4.3. Just in case it
may have been an issue with a language pack, I even installed with the
Bulgarian language pack.

Sorry, I can't reproduce.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Jonathon Waterman
Unfortunately, after deleting the C:\Users\user
name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\3\user the problem still exists.

For some unknown reason, LO3.4.3 still thinks there is a version of the
program still installed on my desktop - even though there isn't. I also
noticed that apparently when I previously uninstalled LO3.4.3 - it did not
do it properly since the program is still listed in my Control Panel.
However, if I try to uninstall via the Control Panel, it tells me
LibreOffice34.msi does not exist - therefore will not uninstall the program.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

 Hi :)
 You might need to delete or re-name LibreOffice's user profile
 C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\3\user

 You can probably just use your normal file-browser to navigate to the
 folder and delete it before trying to re-install LO (again).  I tend to
 create a copy of the  3 folder to back-up the settings, galleries and
 extensions etc.  Instead of re-installing i just rename the 3 folder so that
 LO is forced to generate a new one.  That usually gets LO back to factory
 defaults.  Your situation is a bit different tho.

 Regards from
 Tom :)


 --- On Thu, 15/9/11, Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:41

 Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition

 Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
 uninstalled
 it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in did
 in version 3.4.2.

 I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been able
 to
 locate the installation files.

 So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try to
 install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are trying
 to
 use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try again,
 or
 enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
 libreoffice34.msi in the box below.

 The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if do
 an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

 If I hit OK - I then get the following error:

 The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
 package
 for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
 libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice 3.4.

 The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not problem
 accessing files on the drive or folder.

 Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older version
 of
 libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

 Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer to
 use LibreOffice.

 Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Jonathon Waterman
Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, that did not help either.

I have also checked the /Program Files(x86), the appdata folder, Windows
Registry Editor, etc and have no found any trace of the previous
installation. Yet, If I try to install either LO 3.4.3 or 3.3.4 - they think
the old installation is there.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:01 PM, V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.eduwrote:

 Had a similar experience with Windows 7 64-bit, at LO 3.3.2 -- 3.4.0
 and then again recently 3.4.2 -- 3.4.3

 Found I simply needed to reboot following the uninstall, and then
 install.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jonathon Waterman [mailto:peedyswo...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:42 AM
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

 Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition

 Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
 uninstalled
 it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in
 did
 in version 3.4.2.

 I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been
 able to
 locate the installation files.

 So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try
 to
 install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are
 trying to
 use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try
 again, or
 enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
 libreoffice34.msi in the box below.

 The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if
 do
 an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

 If I hit OK - I then get the following error:

 The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
 package
 for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
 libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice
 3.4.

 The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not
 problem
 accessing files on the drive or folder.

 Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older
 version of
 libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

 Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer
 to
 use LibreOffice.

 Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Илиан Иванов
Well I guess than there is something wrong in my machine. I'll try to find
whats causing the problem when I have a little more time, maybe this
weekend. Thanks for the response and the efforts :)

2011/9/15 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net

 On 09/15/2011 02:50 AM, Илиан Иванов wrote:
  Ah, i've didn't notice that the board did not support attachments so
 here's
  link for the file. i hope this time it works :)
 
 
 https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0BxMC-_kAohXrYjFjZWQ5ZTUtOGUwNS00MDdmLThhYTYtMTM0MjYyYjMwZWMzhl=bg
 
 ...
 Got it - thanks.

 I exported as pdf (File|Export as PDF) without issues on:

 LO 3.4.3 (linux)
 LO 3.3.4 (linux)

 LO 3.3.4 (Win7)
 LO 3.4.3 (Win7)

 The Win7's are on the same machine (Win7 64bit Home Premium); I tried
 3.3.4 first, then uninstalled, and then installed 3.4.3. Just in case it
 may have been an issue with a language pack, I even installed with the
 Bulgarian language pack.

 Sorry, I can't reproduce.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Boyd Tong




On 09/13/2011 02:58 PM, planas wrote:

Boyd,

On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 11:59 -0700, Boyd Tong wrote:


I am using Libre Office 3.3.3, Ubuntu package 1:3.3.3-1ubuntu2. I am new
to Base and have created a database containing  reports derived from
queries. When I create a report using legal size with landscape, page
one is correct but page two always prints letter-landscape size. I am
looking for help with this problem.


I assume you used the design view for generating the reports not the
wizard?

When I did a test of the wizard, it decided to use US Letter with
Landscape. I assume you want Legal and portrait.

Thanks for your reply. I have no option for using design view to create 
reports, only wizard. I am trying to use legal and landscape. I will 
redesign my report to confine it to letter/landscape.
Second question. I did not see my original posting of the question. What 
email address should I use to post questions?


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Andreas Säger

Hi,
You do not even tell us your OS, so it must be Windows.
This is no typical Windows software. You can install the same download 
over and over again without changing anything since LibO hardly makes 
use of the registry. In fact it runs perfectly well without a single 
registry entry.


The most likely cause of your problem might be that LibreOffice imports 
existing user settings from an OOo user profile. Shut down the office 
(mind the quick-starter, better turn it off), rename a certain 
directory and start again:


All about user profiles in OOo:
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426 
(applies to LibO, Firefox, Thunderbird likewise).



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Jonathon Waterman
Actually, in my original message - and I do not know why that part no longer
shows  - I clearly state this is Windows 7 - 64 bit - Home edition.


This problem originated way before OpenOffice was installed.  -  Openoffice
was installed only as a temporary workaround. Thus closing OO and shutting
off the Quick starter program has no effect. In regards to rename a certain
directory - I have no idea what directory you are referencing.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi,
 You do not even tell us your OS, so it must be Windows.
 This is no typical Windows software. You can install the same download over
 and over again without changing anything since LibO hardly makes use of the
 registry. In fact it runs perfectly well without a single registry entry.

 The most likely cause of your problem might be that LibreOffice imports
 existing user settings from an OOo user profile. Shut down the office (mind
 the quick-starter, better turn it off), rename a certain directory and
 start again:

 All about user profiles in OOo:
 http://user.services.**openoffice.org/en/forum/**
 viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426(applies
  to LibO, Firefox, Thunderbird likewise).


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
To find out what a LibreOffice digital signature is, do the following:

Make a document in Writer.  Any little document.

Save it to disk (so the Save button is now grayed out).

On the File | Document Signatures ... dialog, you now have an opportunity to 
sign the document with a cryptographically-secure digital signature that can 
be authenticated as being from you and can be used to verify that the document 
is as it was when signed.

The user wants to know why that feature can't be used with LO-produced 
Microsoft Office documents (e.g., .doc and .docx).

If you were to receive a document that is so signed, you will see an indicator 
in the bottom status bar of the Writer window that shows whether it is signed 
and whether or not there is any difficulty in verifying the signing or the 
signer.

I assume that the users would also like to see that work when a signed 
Microsoft Office document is opened in LibreOffice as well.  I believe what 
happens now is that any digital signature is simply ignored (fair enough), so 
it can't be used as a method of authenticating the document.

 - Dennis

PS: I am digitally signing this e-mail by similar means.  It may or may not 
show up as signed in your mail client, and it may show up as having some 
undecipherable junk, too.  But I see some developers sign their e-mails here.

-Original Message-
From: Tom [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 06:49
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

Hi :)
I think i would push for Creative Commons Licences on documents.  I'm not
sure what digital signing does but Creative Commons is copyright protection
that fits well with the OpenSource and OpenDocument Format ideals.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Tom
Hi :)

It might be worth trying to re-name your User Profile
C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\3\user
Perhaps navigate to the 3 fodler and rename that to 2011-09-15 so that it
looks like
C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\2011-09-15

This forces LibreOffice back to default settings by making it creates  new 3
folder.  All your dictionaries, extensions and stuff are kept in the back-up
folder 2011-09-15.  So after you have tested to see if Export works then
you can copypaste chunks of that folder back into the new folder to get
your old settings back.  

Regards from
Tom :)

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It is rather difficult to follow this advice if the acceptance of the 
docx/xslx/pptx into LO is defective.  Then the returned doc/xls/ppt will 
reflect that, unless the user manages to figure out how to correct everything 
in LO first [;).

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2011-09-15 12:16 PM  Boyd Tong wrote:
Second question. I did not see my original posting of the question. What email address should 
I use to post questions? 
Gmail does not show you the copy of your message that you receive from the list. It just shows 
only your original sent message, thus avoiding duplicates in your mailbox.


This is a feature/defect of gmail, depending on your point of view.

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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
It seems that [libreoffice-users] does not pass through the digital signature.  
Ah well.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:06
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Digital signing MS format documents

[ ... ]

PS: I am digitally signing this e-mail by similar means.  It may or may not 
show up as signed in your mail client, and it may show up as having some 
undecipherable junk, too.  But I see some developers sign their e-mails here.

[ ... ]


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Yes, but in the original question in this thread it implied that the docX 
opened with no problems, it was only the saving back into that format that 
caused troubles.  Generally it would be great if we could get MS Office users 
to send stuff in their older formats.  But in this case it seems to have been 
ok :)
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 20:21

It is rather difficult to follow this advice if the acceptance of the 
docx/xslx/pptx into LO is defective.  Then the returned doc/xls/ppt will 
reflect that, unless the user manages to figure out how to correct everything 
in LO first [;).

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 07:27
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

Hi :)
+1
It does make life a lot easier to stick to MS's legacy formats.  Gradually 
moving people to OpenDocument Formats would be great and is likely to happen 
anyway as LO's market share increases.
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 15:05

Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. All flavours of Microsoft 
Office fully support any of these heritage file formats and this office suite 
can handle them much better. There is no technical reason to share docx with 
users of MS Office.
Unfortunately, the LibreOffice project leads believe that broken support of 
broken file formats somehow serves the user.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Jonathon Waterman
I just once again verified that the User profile, all folders, and
everything else  that could be identified as possibly connected to
Libreoffice has been deleted. Yet, the installation still thinks a version
of LO 3.4.3 is installed.

I am starting to think that I may have to wait until LO 3.4.4 comes
out.inorder to resolve the problem.

:-)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Am 15.09.2011 20:27, Jonathon Waterman wrote:

 Actually, in my original message - and I do not know why that part no
 longer
 shows  - I clearly state this is Windows 7 - 64 bit - Home edition.


 This problem originated way before OpenOffice was installed.  -
  Openoffice
 was installed only as a temporary workaround. Thus closing OO and shutting
 off the Quick starter program has no effect. In regards to rename a
 certain
 directory - I have no idea what directory you are referencing.


 I'm referencing to the link: http://user.services.**
 openoffice.org/en/forum/**viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426
 All settings, extensions, templates, dictionaries, auto text, macros and
 much more is stored in a specific directory. 99% of all unspecific problems
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
On 09/15/2011 07:41 AM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
 Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition
 
 Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but uninstalled
 it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in did
 in version 3.4.2.
 
 I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been able to
 locate the installation files.
 
 So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try to
 install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are trying to
 use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try again, or
 enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
 libreoffice34.msi in the box below.
 
 The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if do
 an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

The error that you are getting isn't specific to LO, see:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-abhl=ensource=hpq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22pbx=1oq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=11742700l11742700l1l11742935l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.fp=d5bc1e92224c5138biw=1280bih=741

 
 If I hit OK - I then get the following error:
 
 The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation package
 for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
 libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice 3.4.
 
 The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not problem
 accessing files on the drive or folder.
 
 Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older version of
 libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

Download 3.4.2 from here:
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/
[LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe]
http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe

Reinstall (ensure quickstarter is off for OOo), and then uninstall using
the Control Panel.

 
 Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer to
 use LibreOffice.
 
 Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?
 

You are getting the error because 3.4.2 didn't get uninstalled properly.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Tim Casey
my os is kubuntu 11.04

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de wrote:

 Hi,
 You do not even tell us your OS, so it must be Windows.
 This is no typical Windows software. You can install the same download over
 and over again without changing anything since LibO hardly makes use of the
 registry. In fact it runs perfectly well without a single registry entry.

 The most likely cause of your problem might be that LibreOffice imports
 existing user settings from an OOo user profile. Shut down the office (mind
 the quick-starter, better turn it off), rename a certain directory and
 start again:

 All about user profiles in OOo:
 http://user.services.**openoffice.org/en/forum/**
 viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74t=12426(applies
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Tom
Hi :)
This link might help
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
It's normally for installing multiple versions of LibreOffice but it might
help here.
Regards from
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Mouse Wheel Bubble

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
On 09/15/2011 09:54 AM, 20rdj04 wrote:
 When reading, I rarely use the vertical scroll bar.  Much more often, I use
 the mouse wheel.  Always, when I turn the wheel, there is a bubble at the
 right side of the desktop for several seconds that does nothing except hide
 my text.  It contains the current page # and total pages, and sometimes the
 first? line on the page.  At the bottom left of the desktop (on the Status?
 line) is the page # and total pages.  How do I turn off the right-side
 bubble?  For me, it serves no purpose.
...
These are called 'Tool Tips'. Open 'Help' search on 'tooltips'  you'll
find instructions on how to turn them off, and turn them back on
temporarily.

Hint:
To turn Extended Tips on and off:
Choose Tools - Options - LibreOffice - General, and check Extended tips.
A check mark indicates that the extended tips are activated.


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[libreoffice-users] Wrong decimal separator used in locales

2011-09-15 Thread McEric
Hello,

I've noticed that Calc doesn't handle decimal numbers correctly when using
any of the three locales for Switzerland (German, French, Italian). It
ignores values that use a comma as decimal symbol. The convention in
Switzerland is to use a point for currency values and a comma for everything
else.

My first guess was to look at the region settings in Windows 7. For some
reason Windows 7 by default also assumes that a point is used in Switzerland
for all numbers (not only currencies). I've changed the system wide setting
and hoped that it would effect LibreOffice (3.3.4) as well, but LibreOffice
seems to ignore the changes I made and still expects a decimal point for all
values when using the locale German (Switzerland). Changing the setting for
Decimal separator key in the language settings dialog for LibreOffice to
Same as locale setting made no difference for me.

Is there a way to fix this, besides using the locale of a different country?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Mouse Wheel Bubble

2011-09-15 Thread Milos Sramek
Dňa 15.09.2011 18:54, 20rdj04  wrote / napísal(a):

Uncheck the Tools/Options/General/Tips checkbox.
Milos
 When reading, I rarely use the vertical scroll bar.  Much more often, I use
 the mouse wheel.  Always, when I turn the wheel, there is a bubble at the
 right side of the desktop for several seconds that does nothing except hide
 my text.  It contains the current page # and total pages, and sometimes the
 first? line on the page.  At the bottom left of the desktop (on the Status?
 line) is the page # and total pages.  How do I turn off the right-side
 bubble?  For me, it serves no purpose.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Jonathon Waterman
You are correct. However, the Cleanup utility this hyperlink refers to is no
longer available - and of course, MS support states that its up to the
manufacture of each application to resolve this type of problem.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 On 09/15/2011 07:41 AM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
  Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition
 
  Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
 uninstalled
  it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in
 did
  in version 3.4.2.
 
  I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been able
 to
  locate the installation files.
 
  So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try
 to
  install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are trying
 to
  use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try again,
 or
  enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
  libreoffice34.msi in the box below.
 
  The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if
 do
  an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

 The error that you are getting isn't specific to LO, see:
 
 http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-abhl=ensource=hpq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22pbx=1oq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=11742700l11742700l1l11742935l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.fp=d5bc1e92224c5138biw=1280bih=741
 

 
  If I hit OK - I then get the following error:
 
  The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
 package
  for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
  libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice
 3.4.
 
  The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not problem
  accessing files on the drive or folder.
 
  Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older version
 of
  libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

 Download 3.4.2 from here:
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/
 
 [LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe]
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe
 

 Reinstall (ensure quickstarter is off for OOo), and then uninstall using
 the Control Panel.

 
  Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer
 to
  use LibreOffice.
 
  Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?
 

 You are getting the error because 3.4.2 didn't get uninstalled properly.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Earl found an excellent tool for this sort of thing i think

an excellent free replacement and far superior to MS' Add/Remove, 
IMO. You can download it at the link below and install just like any other app. 
After clicking the link, be careful to not choose the 30-day free trial of the 
Pro version -- you don't really need it..well, unless you're needing to put 
your wallet on a diet. :-)  Instead, scroll to the bottom of the page and click 
on the FREE download button. Works great on Win-XP and Vista. If your OS is 
otherwise, check requirements at the link before downloading. HTH!

http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

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  Earl 


Does that look likely to help or is it the same thing that has already been 
tried?
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 21:20

You are correct. However, the Cleanup utility this hyperlink refers to is no
longer available - and of course, MS support states that its up to the
manufacture of each application to resolve this type of problem.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 On 09/15/2011 07:41 AM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
  Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition
 
  Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
 uninstalled
  it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in
 did
  in version 3.4.2.
 
  I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been able
 to
  locate the installation files.
 
  So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try
 to
  install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are trying
 to
  use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try again,
 or
  enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
  libreoffice34.msi in the box below.
 
  The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if
 do
  an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

 The error that you are getting isn't specific to LO, see:
 
 http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-abhl=ensource=hpq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22pbx=1oq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=11742700l11742700l1l11742935l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.fp=d5bc1e92224c5138biw=1280bih=741
 

 
  If I hit OK - I then get the following error:
 
  The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
 package
  for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
  libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice
 3.4.
 
  The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not problem
  accessing files on the drive or folder.
 
  Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older version
 of
  libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

 Download 3.4.2 from here:
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/
 
 [LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe]
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe
 

 Reinstall (ensure quickstarter is off for OOo), and then uninstall using
 the Control Panel.

 
  Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer
 to
  use LibreOffice.
 
  Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?
 

 You are getting the error because 3.4.2 didn't get uninstalled properly.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Илиан Иванов
Thanks for the suggestion. It seems that the problem is the Bulgarian spell
checker I'm using (it's an *.oxt file from OOO). After I've installed it to
Libre office and tried to export the document like *.pdf the program
crashed. I've removed the dictionary (from extension manager) and the
problem still persisted but thanks to you I've renamed the directory and
voila Libre Office works again, no crashes no nothing. Now I have another
problem and it's where to get bulgarian dictionary for Libre Office.

2011/9/15 Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk

 Hi :)

 It might be worth trying to re-name your User Profile
 C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\3\user
 Perhaps navigate to the 3 fodler and rename that to 2011-09-15 so that it
 looks like
 C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\2011-09-15

 This forces LibreOffice back to default settings by making it creates  new
 3
 folder.  All your dictionaries, extensions and stuff are kept in the
 back-up
 folder 2011-09-15.  So after you have tested to see if Export works then
 you can copypaste chunks of that folder back into the new folder to get
 your old settings back.

 Regards from
 Tom :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Hmm, if Tim from Kracked Press can't help then it might be worth asking the 
Bulgarian mailing list
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Bulgarian
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Илиан Иванов hellion...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Илиан Иванов hellion...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on 
saving as PDF
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 21:27

Thanks for the suggestion. It seems that the problem is the Bulgarian spell
checker I'm using (it's an *.oxt file from OOO). After I've installed it to
Libre office and tried to export the document like *.pdf the program
crashed. I've removed the dictionary (from extension manager) and the
problem still persisted but thanks to you I've renamed the directory and
voila Libre Office works again, no crashes no nothing. Now I have another
problem and it's where to get bulgarian dictionary for Libre Office.

2011/9/15 Tom tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk

 Hi :)

 It might be worth trying to re-name your User Profile
 C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\3\user
 Perhaps navigate to the 3 fodler and rename that to 2011-09-15 so that it
 looks like
 C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\2011-09-15

 This forces LibreOffice back to default settings by making it creates  new
 3
 folder.  All your dictionaries, extensions and stuff are kept in the
 back-up
 folder 2011-09-15.  So after you have tested to see if Export works then
 you can copypaste chunks of that folder back into the new folder to get
 your old settings back.

 Regards from
 Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
On 09/15/2011 01:20 PM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
 You are correct. However, the Cleanup utility this hyperlink refers to is no
 longer available - and of course, MS support states that its up to the
 manufacture of each application to resolve this type of problem.

My point was that it also happens with other programs as well. Please
try reinstalling  then uninstalling 3.4.2 from the download link that I
provided you with.

 
 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 On 09/15/2011 07:41 AM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
  Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition
 
  Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
 uninstalled
  it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in
 did
  in version 3.4.2.
 
  I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been able
 to
  locate the installation files.
 
  So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I try
 to
  install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are trying
 to
  use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try again,
 or
  enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
  libreoffice34.msi in the box below.
 
  The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if
 do
  an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.

 The error that you are getting isn't specific to LO, see:
 
 http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-abhl=ensource=hpq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22pbx=1oq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=11742700l11742700l1l11742935l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.fp=d5bc1e92224c5138biw=1280bih=741
 

 
  If I hit OK - I then get the following error:
 
  The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
 package
  for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
  libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice
 3.4.
 
  The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not problem
  accessing files on the drive or folder.
 
  Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older version
 of
  libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support group.

 Download 3.4.2 from here:
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/
 
 [LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe]
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe
 

 Reinstall (ensure quickstarter is off for OOo), and then uninstall using
 the Control Panel.

 
  Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would prefer
 to
  use LibreOffice.
 
  Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?
 

 You are getting the error because 3.4.2 didn't get uninstalled properly.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Jonathon Waterman
*That's it!*  The freeware version of the Revo Uninstaller program was the
solution. After installing and running it, I re-downloaded LibreOffice 3.4.3
and was able to successfully install it.

Thanks all - for your help. :-)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Earl found an excellent tool for this sort of thing i think
 
 an excellent free replacement and far superior to MS' Add/Remove,
 IMO. You can download it at the link below and install just like any other
 app.
 After clicking the link, be careful to not choose the 30-day free trial of
 the
 Pro version -- you don't really need it..well, unless you're needing to
 put
 your wallet on a diet. :-)  Instead, scroll to the bottom of the page and
 click
 on the FREE download button. Works great on Win-XP and Vista. If your OS is
 otherwise, check requirements at the link before downloading. HTH!

 http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

  --
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   Earl
 

 Does that look likely to help or is it the same thing that has already been
 tried?
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 --- On Thu, 15/9/11, Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO
 3.4.3
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 21:20

 You are correct. However, the Cleanup utility this hyperlink refers to is
 no
 longer available - and of course, MS support states that its up to the
 manufacture of each application to resolve this type of problem.

 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  On 09/15/2011 07:41 AM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
   Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition
  
   Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
  uninstalled
   it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in
  did
   in version 3.4.2.
  
   I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been
 able
  to
   locate the installation files.
  
   So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I
 try
  to
   install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are
 trying
  to
   use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try
 again,
  or
   enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
   libreoffice34.msi in the box below.
  
   The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if
  do
   an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.
 
  The error that you are getting isn't specific to LO, see:
  
 
 http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-abhl=ensource=hpq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22pbx=1oq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=11742700l11742700l1l11742935l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.fp=d5bc1e92224c5138biw=1280bih=741
  
 
  
   If I hit OK - I then get the following error:
  
   The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
  package
   for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
   libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice
  3.4.
  
   The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not
 problem
   accessing files on the drive or folder.
  
   Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older
 version
  of
   libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support
 group.
 
  Download 3.4.2 from here:
  
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/
  
  [LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe]
  
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe
  
 
  Reinstall (ensure quickstarter is off for OOo), and then uninstall using
  the Control Panel.
 
  
   Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would
 prefer
  to
   use LibreOffice.
  
   Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?
  
 
  You are getting the error because 3.4.2 didn't get uninstalled properly.
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Blimey, that was fast!  Nicely done!  [Tips hat to Earl]
Congrats and regards from
Tom :)

--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 21:53

*That's it!*  The freeware version of the Revo Uninstaller program was the
solution. After installing and running it, I re-downloaded LibreOffice 3.4.3
and was able to successfully install it.

Thanks all - for your help. :-)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Earl found an excellent tool for this sort of thing i think
 
 an excellent free replacement and far superior to MS' Add/Remove,
 IMO. You can download it at the link below and install just like any other
 app.
 After clicking the link, be careful to not choose the 30-day free trial of
 the
 Pro version -- you don't really need it..well, unless you're needing to
 put
 your wallet on a diet. :-)  Instead, scroll to the bottom of the page and
 click
 on the FREE download button. Works great on Win-XP and Vista. If your OS is
 otherwise, check requirements at the link before downloading. HTH!

 http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

  --
 I'm so busy, I don't know whether I found a rope or lost my horse!
   Earl
 

 Does that look likely to help or is it the same thing that has already been
 tried?
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 --- On Thu, 15/9/11, Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Jonathon Waterman peedyswo...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO
 3.4.3
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 21:20

 You are correct. However, the Cleanup utility this hyperlink refers to is
 no
 longer available - and of course, MS support states that its up to the
 manufacture of each application to resolve this type of problem.

 On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:02 PM, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  On 09/15/2011 07:41 AM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
   Operating system: Windows 7 64 bit Home edition
  
   Previously I had LibreOffice 3.4.3 installed on my computer, but
  uninstalled
   it when I was not able to get the Synonyms in Write  to work the way in
  did
   in version 3.4.2.
  
   I wanted to go back and re-install version 3.4.2 - but have not been
 able
  to
   locate the installation files.
  
   So I concluded I would have to re-install 3.4.3. However, now when I
 try
  to
   install either version 3.4.3  I get the error The feature you are
 trying
  to
   use is on a network resource that is unavailable, /click OK to try
 again,
  or
   enter an alternate path to a folder containing the installation package
   libreoffice34.msi in the box below.
  
   The box below - does contain the specific path to this file and even if
  do
   an installation from a different drive/folder - I get the same error.
 
  The error that you are getting isn't specific to LO, see:
  
 
 http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-abhl=ensource=hpq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22pbx=1oq=%22The+feature+you+are+trying+to+use+is+on+a+network+resource+that+is+unavailable%2C+%2Fclick+OK+to+try+again%2C+or+enter+an+alternate+path+to+a+folder+containing+the+installation+package+%22libreoffice34.msi%22aq=faqi=aql=gs_sm=egs_upl=11742700l11742700l1l11742935l1l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.fp=d5bc1e92224c5138biw=1280bih=741
  
 
  
   If I hit OK - I then get the following error:
  
   The file the installation drive/folder is not a valid installation
  package
   for the product LibreOffice 3.4. Try to find the installation package
   libreoffice34.msi in a folder from which you can install LibreOffice
  3.4.
  
   The file and folder being used is on my C drive and this is not
 problem
   accessing files on the drive or folder.
  
   Note: If I cancel the installation - I get: Error 1714. The older
 version
  of
   libreOffice 3.4 cannot be removed. Contact your technical support
 group.
 
  Download 3.4.2 from here:
  
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/
  
  [LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe]
  
 
 http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/stable/3.4.2/win/x86/LibO_3.4.2_Win_x86_install_multi.exe
  
 
  Reinstall (ensure quickstarter is off for OOo), and then uninstall using
  the Control Panel.
 
  
   Because of this problem - I have had to use OpenOffice, but would
 prefer
  to
   use LibreOffice.
  
   Why would I be getting this error and how can it be fixed?
  
 
  You are getting the error because 3.4.2 didn't get uninstalled properly.
 
 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Way to remove periods from a cross-reference?

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
On 09/13/2011 05:13 PM, Steven Shelton wrote:
 On 9/13/2011 3:57 PM, NoOp wrote:
 Steven, can you not just format Numbers  Bullets to: 1) remove the
 period, or 2) use (A)(i)(g) instead? 
 
 Interesting. Are the periods being pulled from the Numbers and Bullets
 settings? That hadn't occurred to me. I'll have to look at that!
...
Yes. And have you had a chance to look?



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
On 09/15/2011 01:53 PM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
 *That's it!*  The freeware version of the Revo Uninstaller program
 was the solution. After installing and running it, I re-downloaded
 LibreOffice 3.4.3 and was able to successfully install it.

Glad you got it sorted out. But the bottom line is that you failed to
uninstall LO 3.4.2 correctly in the first place.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on saving as PDF

2011-09-15 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions


Was this about the doPDF printer to be used until the issue is fixed, or 
was it something else you are referring to.


On 09/15/2011 04:32 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Hmm, if Tim from Kracked Press can't help then it might be worth asking the 
Bulgarian mailing list
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists#Bulgarian
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 15/9/11, Илиан Ивановhellion...@gmail.com  wrote:

From: Илиан Ивановhellion...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Fwd: Libre Office 3.4.2/3.43 crashing on 
saving as PDF
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 15 September, 2011, 21:27

Thanks for the suggestion. It seems that the problem is the Bulgarian spell
checker I'm using (it's an *.oxt file from OOO). After I've installed it to
Libre office and tried to export the document like *.pdf the program
crashed. I've removed the dictionary (from extension manager) and the
problem still persisted but thanks to you I've renamed the directory and
voila Libre Office works again, no crashes no nothing. Now I have another
problem and it's where to get bulgarian dictionary for Libre Office.

2011/9/15 Tomtomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk


Hi :)

It might be worth trying to re-name your User Profile
C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\3\user
Perhaps navigate to the 3 fodler and rename that to 2011-09-15 so that it
looks like
C:\Users\user name\AppData\Roaming\libreoffice\2011-09-15

This forces LibreOffice back to default settings by making it creates  new
3
folder.  All your dictionaries, extensions and stuff are kept in the
back-up
folder 2011-09-15.  So after you have tested to see if Export works then
you can copypaste chunks of that folder back into the new folder to get
your old settings back.

Regards from
Tom :)

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
I'm going to top post on purpose this time (shock  awe)...

Dennis, sorry but I've a hard time following your posts. You top post
without any word wrap  here is how your post appears in my standard
email client.

I well appreciate your participation on this list, however you've
already read, and commented[1], on Top Posting... Can we have an LO
Mailing List Guidelines Page? thread. How does top posting and lack of
word wrap make the following readable at all?

Re: word wrap:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10816
Is it that difficult?

Were you to initially receive the following in your email client
(X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0) would you be able to follow and
understand just what the heck you are talking about?

I think your contributions to this list are sincere, well thought out,
and valuable. /Please/ reconsider your top posting and lack of word wrap
in future responses.

Gary

[1]
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10798

On 09/11/2011 06:31 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 It is tough to figure out what bug to report in the multi-column text-flow 
 problem.
 
 In the dashed line problem, it is easy to report two bugs, one for dashed 
 lines to .doc and one for dashed lines from .doc.  
 
 In this multi-column flow case, LibreOffice can round trip, and the bug is in 
 the change to column and spacing widths that have the material not fit and 
 not flow properly.
 
 So there is a bug around not being able to consume what it produces properly.
 
 THE SERIOUS INTEROP QUESTION
 
 The other problem, that I don't know how to deal with, is whether that is a 
 proper .doc for what is in the .odt at all.  I *think* the problem you are 
 seeing is that the frame on one of the images in column 2 is actually too 
 wide.  Or maybe column 1, and it forced the kind of adjustment you are 
 seeing.  But the consequences in Word are particularly awful.
 
 What is even more amazing is that what Word does with that specific .doc has 
 not changed since Office 97!!  NoOp gets near-identical results from the .doc 
 in Word 97 that I get from it in Word 2010.  I bet if the second page is 
 examined, the column 2 content will be seen to have flown down to the second 
 column there.  (The only difference that I see in Word 2010 compared with the 
 Word 97 screen shot is that 2010 has a double title over the graph in column 
 3 and consequently more text flows to the top of column 4.  I hadn't noticed 
 that additional title doubling in my earlier report.)
 
 On the other hand, what Word 2010 does with the original ODT is strangely 
 close to what it does with the .DOC, and that is *really* inexplicable.
 
 So there's not enough here for an isolated bug.
 
 MORE DETAIL: I forgot to check this before.  When the .doc is opened in Word 
 2010, the columns are set as four across, with column 1 1.6, 2-3 at 1.25 
 apiece, and column 4 at 1.6.  The spacing is 0.7.  The equal column width 
 box is not checked.  The margins are 0.35 top, left, right, and bottom, with 
 no gutter.  The page is US Letter.
 
 If I check equal column width I get 1.43 columns all the way across and 
 0.7 spacing. The duplicated titles I mention disappear, but there are other 
 duplications in the columns.
 
 (sigh)
 
 FURTHER ANALYSIS POSSIBILITIES
 
 Although it introduces more variables that can't be controlled, I think there 
 are three avenues of further exploration:
 
  1. Make a .doc that seems as correct as is possible.  See what LibreOffice 
 does with that.  Then make an .odt from that .doc from Office 2010 to see how 
 that round-tripping works.  This might localize *something*.
 
  2. Do the same thing with .docx in both directions.  If experience is any 
 guide, this will be worse, but because .docx is an XML format it might be 
 possible to find more clues by inspecting the XML that travels in various 
 directions.
 
  3. Make a Microsoft Word XML file too.  This is a rarely-used variation that 
 *might* provide more clues.  There are filters for reading those into 
 LibreOffice also, although I have no clue concerning their quality.  (This 
 can be round-tripped out of LibreOffice too, I believe.)
 
 There is a project, Apache Poi, that has Java tools for manipulating and 
 converting Microsoft Office format documents.  That might help to examine the 
 .doc files to see where the discrepancies arise.  That's a lot of work to 
 invest for this particular file.  I think starting with variations of simple 
 cases may work better.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Spencer Graves [mailto:spencer.gra...@prodsyse.com] 
 Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 17:29
 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should 
 LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
 
 Hi, Dennis:
 
 
Thanks very much.  Should I do something to file bug reports on 
 these items?
 
 
Spencer
 
 
 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: docx format troubles

2011-09-15 Thread Brian Barker

At 16:05 15/09/2011 +0200, Andreas Säger wrote:
Always send back docx/xlsx/pptx as doc/xls/ppt. 
All flavours of Microsoft Office fully support 
any of these heritage file formats and this 
office suite can handle them much better. There 
is no technical reason to share docx with users of MS Office.


I fear that's not entirely true.  There are some 
facilities in later versions of Microsoft Office 
which can be saved in .docx etc. formats but not 
in .doc etc. formats.  If your correspondents are 
making use of these facilities, that content will 
be lost if you convert their documents to the older file formats.


Brian Barker


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Brian Barker

At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote:
The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages 
that you write.


Does anyone believe this?  Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it?

Brian Barker


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Gary,

I see word-wrap just fine on the web page you linked to.  
It appears that the list provided automatic word wrap. It
won't reflow if I make the window narrower than where it
did auto-breaking, so I couldn't read it comfortably with
my phone's browser, unless the forced wrap is something
like 30 characters (with landscape viewing).  But the auto-
breaking is there, with a line width of around 110 
characters, it seems. 

I also see word-wrap just fine in the e-mail you sent to me.
So the answer is yes, I would see it all just fine.

The conflict is with clients that do know to word-wrap the text,
which is kept in paragraph-level streams so the client can do
correct word-wrap with whatever the displayed line size is.

I know some list archives *prevent* work-wrapping by using
pre instead of p elements when plaintext is presented
via HTML.  The GMANE page you linked to uses pre but then
does automatic word wrap to keep line width at around 110
characters.  Works fine on my monitor [;).

When email is word-wrapped with hard line breaks, it is 
then ugly in situations when the client also does automatic 
word-wrapping.  And when there are  reply-nesting markers, 
it gets worse.

Catch-22.

So if I sent HTML-formatted mail, would that actually work
better for you?

 - Dennis

PS: This message manually word-wrapped for your pleasure.

PPS: There is an SMTP IETF RFC that explains how to auto-
matically handle word-wrapping and tell when not to word-
wrap a line.  It appears that knowledge of that is not
uniformly distributed.  I think the architectural principle
is that the recipient would know what its wrapping needs
are and the sender has no way to know what works, hence
no pre-wrapping inside paragraph text.

-Original Message-
From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 16:44
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should 
LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

I'm going to top post on purpose this time (shock  awe)...

Dennis, sorry but I've a hard time following your posts. You top post
without any word wrap  here is how your post appears in my standard
email client.

I well appreciate your participation on this list, however you've
already read, and commented[1], on Top Posting... Can we have an LO
Mailing List Guidelines Page? thread. How does top posting and lack of
word wrap make the following readable at all?

Re: word wrap:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10816
Is it that difficult?

Were you to initially receive the following in your email client
(X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0) would you be able to follow and
understand just what the heck you are talking about?

I think your contributions to this list are sincere, well thought out,
and valuable. /Please/ reconsider your top posting and lack of word wrap
in future responses.

Gary

[1]
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10798

On 09/11/2011 06:31 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 It is tough to figure out what bug to report in the multi-column text-flow 
 problem.
 
 In the dashed line problem, it is easy to report two bugs, one for dashed 
 lines to .doc and one for dashed lines from .doc.  
 
 In this multi-column flow case, LibreOffice can round trip, and the bug is in 
 the change to column and spacing widths that have the material not fit and 
 not flow properly.
 
 So there is a bug around not being able to consume what it produces properly.
 
 THE SERIOUS INTEROP QUESTION
 
 The other problem, that I don't know how to deal with, is whether that is a 
 proper .doc for what is in the .odt at all.  I *think* the problem you are 
 seeing is that the frame on one of the images in column 2 is actually too 
 wide.  Or maybe column 1, and it forced the kind of adjustment you are 
 seeing.  But the consequences in Word are particularly awful.
 
 What is even more amazing is that what Word does with that specific .doc has 
 not changed since Office 97!!  NoOp gets near-identical results from the .doc 
 in Word 97 that I get from it in Word 2010.  I bet if the second page is 
 examined, the column 2 content will be seen to have flown down to the second 
 column there.  (The only difference that I see in Word 2010 compared with the 
 Word 97 screen shot is that 2010 has a double title over the graph in column 
 3 and consequently more text flows to the top of column 4.  I hadn't noticed 
 that additional title doubling in my earlier report.)
 
 On the other hand, what Word 2010 does with the original ODT is strangely 
 close to what it does with the .DOC, and that is *really* inexplicable.
 
 So there's not enough here for an isolated bug.
 
 MORE DETAIL: I forgot to check this before.  When the .doc is opened in Word 
 2010, the columns are set as four across, with column 1 1.6, 2-3 at 1.25 
 apiece, and column 4 at 1.6.  The spacing is 0.7.  The equal column width 
 box 

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I have seen lists that allows subscribers to control whether or not they want 
to see posts of their own messages or not.

My experience here is that receiving your own messages is the default.  That is
how I tell that my messages have reached the list.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Brian Barker [mailto:b.m.bar...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 18:10
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote:
The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages 
that you write.

Does anyone believe this?  Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it?

Brian Barker


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Although this is OT for this thread.  One more thing.

I don't read the list by opening all of the posts.
I read the lists in my preview pane as I quickly
scan the unread ones (chronologically).  If there 
is a forced word-wrap, the rewrapping in the 
preview pane is rather, um, distracting, as it is
on these manually hard-broken lines when I seem them
on the list.

Of course, rapid processing of the preview pane also
favors top-posting.

I guess there is tolerance or there isn't.

 - Dennis.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 19:03
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: 
Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

Gary,

I see word-wrap just fine on the web page you linked to.  
It appears that the list provided automatic word wrap. It
won't reflow if I make the window narrower than where it
did auto-breaking, so I couldn't read it comfortably with
my phone's browser, unless the forced wrap is something
like 30 characters (with landscape viewing).  But the auto-
breaking is there, with a line width of around 110 
characters, it seems. 

I also see word-wrap just fine in the e-mail you sent to me.
So the answer is yes, I would see it all just fine.

The conflict is with clients that do know to word-wrap the text,
which is kept in paragraph-level streams so the client can do
correct word-wrap with whatever the displayed line size is.

I know some list archives *prevent* work-wrapping by using
pre instead of p elements when plaintext is presented
via HTML.  The GMANE page you linked to uses pre but then
does automatic word wrap to keep line width at around 110
characters.  Works fine on my monitor [;).

When email is word-wrapped with hard line breaks, it is 
then ugly in situations when the client also does automatic 
word-wrapping.  And when there are  reply-nesting markers, 
it gets worse.

Catch-22.

So if I sent HTML-formatted mail, would that actually work
better for you?

 - Dennis

PS: This message manually word-wrapped for your pleasure.

PPS: There is an SMTP IETF RFC that explains how to auto-
matically handle word-wrapping and tell when not to word-
wrap a line.  It appears that knowledge of that is not
uniformly distributed.  I think the architectural principle
is that the recipient would know what its wrapping needs
are and the sender has no way to know what works, hence
no pre-wrapping inside paragraph text.

-Original Message-
From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 16:44
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should 
LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

I'm going to top post on purpose this time (shock  awe)...

Dennis, sorry but I've a hard time following your posts. You top post
without any word wrap  here is how your post appears in my standard
email client.

I well appreciate your participation on this list, however you've
already read, and commented[1], on Top Posting... Can we have an LO
Mailing List Guidelines Page? thread. How does top posting and lack of
word wrap make the following readable at all?

Re: word wrap:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10816
Is it that difficult?

Were you to initially receive the following in your email client
(X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0) would you be able to follow and
understand just what the heck you are talking about?

I think your contributions to this list are sincere, well thought out,
and valuable. /Please/ reconsider your top posting and lack of word wrap
in future responses.

Gary

[1]
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10798

[ ... ]


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[libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

2011-09-15 Thread NoOp
Much better - thanks. Any further responses will not be top posted.

Clients typically are set to view to screen width (yours does). However
as you can see, replying to such creates an issue; hence the issue of
what you see below. Unwrapped posts places the onus on person replying
to your posts to fix your 110 char format and rewrap to a common
72/80(max) character text format. I can do this in my client by Ctrl-R,
however I shouldn't have to. You can easily see the difference with your
current reply vs your other below.

So, let's go back to top posting; were you to receive /only/ this email,
would it make sense to you to read this first and then have to sort down
through the rest to understand what we are currently talking about? Try
it; print, set aside, and then start from the top.

I realise that you may have issue with your Outlook client, but even
with that it's not difficult to interleave/bottom post. Give it a try...
If it doesn't work out for you then fine, but then print a list post
that you last participated in, set aside for at least one day, read
later, and consider what you'd prefer afterwards.

And thanks for replying and trying, it's appreciated :-)


On 09/15/2011 07:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 Gary,
 
 I see word-wrap just fine on the web page you linked to.  
 It appears that the list provided automatic word wrap. It
 won't reflow if I make the window narrower than where it
 did auto-breaking, so I couldn't read it comfortably with
 my phone's browser, unless the forced wrap is something
 like 30 characters (with landscape viewing).  But the auto-
 breaking is there, with a line width of around 110 
 characters, it seems. 
 
 I also see word-wrap just fine in the e-mail you sent to me.
 So the answer is yes, I would see it all just fine.
 
 The conflict is with clients that do know to word-wrap the text,
 which is kept in paragraph-level streams so the client can do
 correct word-wrap with whatever the displayed line size is.
 
 I know some list archives *prevent* work-wrapping by using
 pre instead of p elements when plaintext is presented
 via HTML.  The GMANE page you linked to uses pre but then
 does automatic word wrap to keep line width at around 110
 characters.  Works fine on my monitor [;).
 
 When email is word-wrapped with hard line breaks, it is 
 then ugly in situations when the client also does automatic 
 word-wrapping.  And when there are  reply-nesting markers, 
 it gets worse.
 
 Catch-22.
 
 So if I sent HTML-formatted mail, would that actually work
 better for you?
 
  - Dennis
 
 PS: This message manually word-wrapped for your pleasure.
 
 PPS: There is an SMTP IETF RFC that explains how to auto-
 matically handle word-wrapping and tell when not to word-
 wrap a line.  It appears that knowledge of that is not
 uniformly distributed.  I think the architectural principle
 is that the recipient would know what its wrapping needs
 are and the sender has no way to know what works, hence
 no pre-wrapping inside paragraph text.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 16:44
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should 
 LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
 
 I'm going to top post on purpose this time (shock  awe)...
 
 Dennis, sorry but I've a hard time following your posts. You top post
 without any word wrap  here is how your post appears in my standard
 email client.
 
 I well appreciate your participation on this list, however you've
 already read, and commented[1], on Top Posting... Can we have an LO
 Mailing List Guidelines Page? thread. How does top posting and lack of
 word wrap make the following readable at all?
 
 Re: word wrap:
 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10816
 Is it that difficult?
 
 Were you to initially receive the following in your email client
 (X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0) would you be able to follow and
 understand just what the heck you are talking about?
 
 I think your contributions to this list are sincere, well thought out,
 and valuable. /Please/ reconsider your top posting and lack of word wrap
 in future responses.
 
 Gary
 
 [1]
 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/10798
 
 On 09/11/2011 06:31 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 It is tough to figure out what bug to report in the multi-column text-flow 
 problem.
 
 In the dashed line problem, it is easy to report two bugs, one for dashed 
 lines to .doc and one for dashed lines from .doc.  
 
 In this multi-column flow case, LibreOffice can round trip, and the bug is 
 in the change to column and spacing widths that have the material not fit 
 and not flow properly.
 
 So there is a bug around not being able to consume what it produces properly.
 
 THE SERIOUS INTEROP QUESTION
 
 The other problem, that I don't know how to deal with, is whether that is a 
 proper .doc for 

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I knew from the top post in my preview pane that there was a question
for me to answer.

When I get a bottom posted, or worse, interspersed without stood-off 
comments, I have to hunt for them, even when it is a thread I am 
interested in.

Because subject lines aren't always the truth, I look at the top of
messages for clues but no further. I rarely open the full message
except to see if there is something I want to reply to.  

So, I will rarely be bottom or mid-posting.  I'm not changing that.
Since you are using a newsreader (you referred me to a GMANE archive),
why do you need it?

Also, I didn't do the 110-column line breaks, the GMANE code that
made the HTML did that.  If all it takes is a Ctrl-R for you to see
the text flow at your window width, why is this conversation necessary?

 - Dennis

Aren't the two of us committing a greater sin by having this exchange
under the wrong subject line?  I will not be continuing on this subject.

-Original Message-
From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 19:41
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should 
LibreOffice ... secret formats?)

Much better - thanks. Any further responses will not be top posted.

Clients typically are set to view to screen width (yours does). However
as you can see, replying to such creates an issue; hence the issue of
what you see below. Unwrapped posts places the onus on person replying
to your posts to fix your 110 char format and rewrap to a common
72/80(max) character text format. I can do this in my client by Ctrl-R,
however I shouldn't have to. You can easily see the difference with your
current reply vs your other below.

So, let's go back to top posting; were you to receive /only/ this email,
would it make sense to you to read this first and then have to sort down
through the rest to understand what we are currently talking about? Try
it; print, set aside, and then start from the top.

I realise that you may have issue with your Outlook client, but even
with that it's not difficult to interleave/bottom post. Give it a try...
If it doesn't work out for you then fine, but then print a list post
that you last participated in, set aside for at least one day, read
later, and consider what you'd prefer afterwards.

And thanks for replying and trying, it's appreciated :-)


On 09/15/2011 07:02 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
 Gary,
 
 I see word-wrap just fine on the web page you linked to.  
 It appears that the list provided automatic word wrap. It
 won't reflow if I make the window narrower than where it
 did auto-breaking, so I couldn't read it comfortably with
 my phone's browser, unless the forced wrap is something
 like 30 characters (with landscape viewing).  But the auto-
 breaking is there, with a line width of around 110 
 characters, it seems. 
 
 I also see word-wrap just fine in the e-mail you sent to me.
 So the answer is yes, I would see it all just fine.
 
 The conflict is with clients that do know to word-wrap the text,
 which is kept in paragraph-level streams so the client can do
 correct word-wrap with whatever the displayed line size is.
 
 I know some list archives *prevent* work-wrapping by using
 pre instead of p elements when plaintext is presented
 via HTML.  The GMANE page you linked to uses pre but then
 does automatic word wrap to keep line width at around 110
 characters.  Works fine on my monitor [;).
 
 When email is word-wrapped with hard line breaks, it is 
 then ugly in situations when the client also does automatic 
 word-wrapping.  And when there are  reply-nesting markers, 
 it gets worse.
 
 Catch-22.
 
 So if I sent HTML-formatted mail, would that actually work
 better for you?
 
  - Dennis
 
 PS: This message manually word-wrapped for your pleasure.
 
 PPS: There is an SMTP IETF RFC that explains how to auto-
 matically handle word-wrapping and tell when not to word-
 wrap a line.  It appears that knowledge of that is not
 uniformly distributed.  I think the architectural principle
 is that the recipient would know what its wrapping needs
 are and the sender has no way to know what works, hence
 no pre-wrapping inside paragraph text.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: NoOp [mailto:gl...@sbcglobal.net] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 16:44
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Rountrip Conversion Problems (was Re: Should 
 LibreOffice ... secret formats?)
 
 I'm going to top post on purpose this time (shock  awe)...
 
 Dennis, sorry but I've a hard time following your posts. You top post
 without any word wrap  here is how your post appears in my standard
 email client.
 
 I well appreciate your participation on this list, however you've
 already read, and commented[1], on Top Posting... Can we have an LO
 Mailing List Guidelines Page? thread. How does top posting and lack of
 word wrap make the following readable at all?
 
 Re: word wrap:
 

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
You can always check your headers to see which email address is receiving 
emails from the list.  Maybe it is just me and  the OP that are not seeing our 
own emails being sent back to us through the list but i thought it was everyone.
regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 16/9/11, Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.au wrote:

From: Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.au
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 16 September, 2011, 5:21

At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote:
The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages 
that you write.

 Brian Barker ...
Does anyone believe this?  Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it?

Every time I send an email to the list I get a copy sent back to my inbox. I
thought this was supposed to happen. 
However this could be because I send though a different mail server than the
one I have registered with this list.
Maybe I should try sending from the same server that I receive through and
see if I still get copies in my inbox..

Regards,
Bruce Carlson.



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Bruce Carlson
At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote:
The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages 
that you write.

 Brian Barker ...
Does anyone believe this?  Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it?

Every time I send an email to the list I get a copy sent back to my inbox. I
thought this was supposed to happen. 
However this could be because I send though a different mail server than the
one I have registered with this list.
Maybe I should try sending from the same server that I receive through and
see if I still get copies in my inbox..

Regards,
Bruce Carlson.



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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I see my own posts all of the time.  That is my check that the post made it to
the list. It is rare that I don't see one.

I only have one e-mail address on this list, the same one that I post from and
that I registered on the list with.

I can imagine some arrangements that would have my seeing responses being 
special, but I think if that is to be the continuing conversation, it should be 
on a different thread, so Base Help can be discussed once again.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 21:25
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

Hi :)
You can always check your headers to see which email address is receiving 
emails from the list.  Maybe it is just me and  the OP that are not seeing our 
own emails being sent back to us through the list but i thought it was everyone.
regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 16/9/11, Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.au wrote:

From: Bruce Carlson br...@grahamgroup.com.au
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 16 September, 2011, 5:21

At 12:01 15/09/2011 -0700, Tom Davies wrote:
The list is quite sophisticated enough to avoid sending you messages 
that you write.

 Brian Barker ...
Does anyone believe this?  Fortunately it's rubbish, isn't it?

Every time I send an email to the list I get a copy sent back to my inbox. I
thought this was supposed to happen. 
However this could be because I send though a different mail server than the
one I have registered with this list.
Maybe I should try sending from the same server that I receive through and
see if I still get copies in my inbox..

Regards,
Bruce Carlson.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Base Help

2011-09-15 Thread Larry Gusaas

On 2011-09-15 10:21 PM  Bruce Carlson wrote:

Every time I send an email to the list I get a copy sent back to my inbox. I
thought this was supposed to happen.


That is correct. It is only gmail users that do not see the copy sent back to them. That is a 
feature of gmail


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3

2011-09-15 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It's Windows.  Most programs have problems with their un-installers at some 
point, hence the plethora of tools to deal with the aftermath.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Fri, 16/9/11, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problems while trying to reinstall LO 3.4.3
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Friday, 16 September, 2011, 0:22

On 09/15/2011 01:53 PM, Jonathon Waterman wrote:
 *That's it!*  The freeware version of the Revo Uninstaller program
 was the solution. After installing and running it, I re-downloaded
 LibreOffice 3.4.3 and was able to successfully install it.

Glad you got it sorted out. But the bottom line is that you failed to
uninstall LO 3.4.2 correctly in the first place.
...


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