Re: [libreoffice-users] in Calc: Keyboard trouble with Ctrl+Shift+RightArrow

2011-11-02 Thread Stephan Zietsman
David S. Crampton wrote:
 I don't think the bugs described in those 2 articles are the same behavior
 issue. Those descriptions and the discussion of is it a bug or is it
 emulating Excel are too dense for my brain at least this evening.
 [...]
 In short, I think I'm reporting something different.

Please file a bug report (bugs.freedesktop.org).  But first make sure
to check if someone has not reported it already.  Please let us know
when you've reported (or found) the bug, along with the bug number;
I'd like to add my comments.

Regards
Stephan

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Re: [libreoffice-users] testing out 2 new large word list English dictionaries.

2011-11-02 Thread Mark Stanton
So, since I do actually use my Writer setup in my business, is it 
going to be easy to revert to my current working dictionary/thesaurus 
if I want?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Headings of index content shown. How to remove these from index?

2011-11-02 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Lenn-art,

Lenn-art schrieb:

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n3472349/capture_02112011_003058.jpg
The headings of the index  content are shown twice in the navigator.
See the picture: the (dutch) headings with the number are the headings from
the index. The're counting from 1 to 8, after that the counting starts over
from 1 to 8. When i click here, i go to the actual text.

When i export the document to a PDF, the headings are shown as bookmarks -
twice. First, for the index (which is, in fact, unnecessary). Then for the
content.

How do i remove the headings-entry from the navigator?


Do you have changed the style of the index items? Do you have changed, 
what is included in the index? With default settings, this would not 
happen, so there is something special about your index.


Can you provide the document? Then help would be much easier.

Kind regards
Regina





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Upgrading

2011-11-02 Thread ahalin
Can you install 3.4 alongside 3.3 in Linux (Ubuntu 11.04 in my case). I don't
want to purge 3.3 until I am sure 3.4 works.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Headings of index content shown. How to remove these from index?

2011-11-02 Thread Lenn-art
The document is 3mb / 140 pages. Is there an easy way to do it ;-)

Anyway, i exported the document to PDF and removed the bookmarks with
jpdfbookmarks (free editor for PDFbookmarks). I'm still interested how to
fix this. Why can't i edit the style? 

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[libreoffice-users] Re: libreoffice will not start

2011-11-02 Thread shane
I have solved this problem now...i removed the hidden folder .libreoffice in
my home folder, re started the suit and this then created a new folder. all
seems to be running fine now..

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Upgrading

2011-11-02 Thread soumalya ray
@ahalin,yes it could be done.have a look at this link--
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel
regards,

On 2 November 2011 09:49, ahalin ahalinaha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can you install 3.4 alongside 3.3 in Linux (Ubuntu 11.04 in my case). I
 don't
 want to purge 3.3 until I am sure 3.4 works.

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[libreoffice-users] Something is Missing in Calc

2011-11-02 Thread Onyeibo Oku
There is this cool cell background shading in Microsoft Excel that I
can't find in LibreOffice Calc.  That feature is an *ink-saver!* Calc's
cell backgrounds are just colours and that's it.  There are no hatches
and if one wanted to indicate a blanked cell (by conditional formatting)
he/she has to make due with colours rather than line-stroke hatches.  A
greyed cell uses more ink.

I can mimick this feature with cross-out borders ... but that's borders
and that's crude and nothing like hatches.  Does anyone understand what
I'm trying to describe here?  Is this a known issue?  Can someone point
me to a solution ... if one exists?

Thanks in advance

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Doc is the older MS format and tends to be better supported on most systems.  
MS Office 2010 opens it easily.  In LibreOffice/OpenOffice try Save As ...  
and choose the format
Microsoft Word 97/2000/Xp
Please let us know how it goes with that!
Regards from
Tom :)



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 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 12:41
 instead of saving in docx,please save
 in doc format, and check whether the
 condition improves or not.
 regards,
 
 On 2 November 2011 17:58, Jacob Tennant w...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
  I have a document created in Office 2010 that has all
 of the formatting
  preset as it is a lab tech journal for college
 classes.
 
  When I open it in LibreOffice all of the formatting is
 messed up and after
  I add any typing to the document an reopen it in
 Office2010 it is almost
  unreadable even when I save the document in .docx
 format.
 
  Any suggestions as my professor only uses Office2010.
 
  Jacob Tennant
 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: libreoffice will not start

2011-11-02 Thread Tom
Hi :)
Well found!  Sorry no-one was able to answer your question fast enough!  lol

The .libreoffice folder is your user-profile and contains configurations,
settings, galleries, extensions and loads of other things.  If something
goes wrong with LibreOffice there is a good chance of fixing it just by
renaming or deleting it.  Inside is a sub-folder called 3 (because we are
on versions 3.3.x or 3.4.x).  I try to rename or copy that one in order to
keep a copy floating around as back-up or to revert to.  

The .libreoffice folder has probably reappeared but now with back to the
factory defaults settings instead of whatever had happened during install
and later.  

Congrats and regards from
Tom :)
[tips hat]

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Math does not export properly

2011-11-02 Thread Jacques Malaprade
Hi Regina,

Thanks for the advice.

I need the formula to be added to a Calc spreadsheet. Is there another
way of adding it?

Regards,

Jacques

On Tue, 2011-11-01 at 14:43 -0700, Regina Henschel [via Document
Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
 Hi Jacques, 
 
 Jacques Malaprade schrieb: 
  Hi, 
  
  Thanks for the advice. 
  
  The equation will not export to a od writer format. 
 
 Open a Draw document. Insert  Object  OLE object  Object Type 
 'LibreOffice Formula'. Depending whether you have already saved the 
 formula to file or not, you need 'Create New' or 'Create from file'. 
 When the formula is finished, click on a free part of the document or 
 hit Esc-Key. 
 
 Now click on the formula, so that it gets green handles, but does not
 go 
 into edit mode. File  Export to PDF. In that dialog, in the upper
 part 
 check Selection. OK. 
 
 If you need a larger picture and do not want do enlarge the formula
 via 
 basis font size, then use the PositionSize dialog. You have to
 uncheck 
 'protect size' and then to check 'keep ratio' and then change the
 size 
 of the object. 
 
 You can use Writer too, but in Writer you cannot resize the formula 
 without changing its basis font size. 
 
 Why do you need a formula in pdf? Perhaps there is a better way for
 your 
 purpose. 
 
 Kind regards 
 Regina 
 
 
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Headings of index content shown. How to remove these from index?

2011-11-02 Thread Tom
Hi :)
It is possible to open a .odt or .docX file as though it was a .Zip.  I tend
to find that is the easiest way of finding out which pictures and things are
heavy and which are tolerable.  Often it's fairly easy to use Gimp or Draw
to change formats to png or gif and then resize to something more
appropriate for the size of the document (A4 or whatever).  I think you have
to open the file as a normal document to replace the pictures.  I haven't
tried cheating by replacing them in the !zipped lol
Regards from
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Conflicts with OOo

2011-11-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
It looks pretty clear to me.  Anyway you can never really trust how the thread 
might have been manipulated along the way so judging people based on a reply of 
a reply of a reply would be pretty dumb.  The content is more important than 
who said what and is only useful if the most recent post in the thread doesn't 
seem to make much sense on it's own.  

There is no need to give people a hard time just because they don't do things 
your way.  Freedom of choice right?
Regards from
Tom :)
 

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 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO Conflicts with OOo
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 1:12
 On 10/31/2011 02:31 AM, Harold Fuchs
 wrote:
  
  NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote in message 
  news:j8i8on$g8u$1...@dough.gmane.org...
  
  snip
  
  You can run the programs the same time, if each
 instance uses a
  different folder for the user settings. Also the
 other way round is
  possible, running one application with different
 users settings at the
  same time, again different folders for the user
 settings are needed.
 
 *NoOp didn't write that*
 
 
  snip
  
  I don't think this can be correct. The conflict I
 reported was between a 
  non-portable OOo installed to the C: drive on the
 machine and a portable LO 
  installed on a USB key. I don't think they'd be using
 the same folder for 
  user settings.
  
 
 Harold, check your attributes. I didn't with *any* of what
 you just
 quoted. And while you're at it, fix your email client so
 that it doesn't
 add an email address in 'wrote in message'. It's rude and
 assist
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Re: [libreoffice-users] testing out 2 new large word list English dictionaries.

2011-11-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think you have choices.  I think you can just double-click on an oxt file and 
that installs it in LibreOffice or else open Writer or something and click on

Tools - Extensions Manager - Add

and then browse to where-ever you downloaded or saved the file to.  I could be 
wrong but i heard that one of the list might have incorrectly put .zip instead 
of .oxt at the end of the file.  I'm not sure how to handle that if it has 
except to try one of the other lists of words and see if that seems to have the 
same problem (unlikely).  
Regards from
Tom :)



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 From: Libre User libreu...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] testing out 2 new large word list English 
 dictionaries.
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Tuesday, 1 November, 2011, 21:32
 Are there instructions for installing
 these alternate files?  OS=Win7
 
 Jerry
 
 At 07:40 AM 11/1/2011, you wrote:
 
  I am testing out 2 new .oxt extensions.  They are
 about 5.5MB each in size.
  
  The American English one has en_US spelling, hyphen,
 and thesaurus.  The British one has en_GB spelling,
 hyphen, and US thesaurus.  I could not find a GB
 thesaurus instructions, so I used the US one since they are
 close enough.
  
  The spelling dictionary word list are over 217,000
 words with the British one having about 280 less
 words.  These list have proper names, possessive
 name/word forms, words ending with suffices like ing and
 ism.  I would like to have constructive comments
 about these .oxt extensions for LO/OOo.  I have word
 lists that contain 50K+, 98K+, 217K+, 390K+, and 638K+
 words.  My original test of editing a dictionary had
 only about 50K words and no hyphen or thesaurus info in
 it.  This is a major step for me in this field. 
 I hope it would be welcomed.
  
  If you would rather see the 98K word list, or the
 other sizes, let me know.  I will be working on testing
 them out later.  But, for my fist testing, I decided to
 go with a large word file.
  
  Here are the links.
  
  http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-american-english-dictionary-large-list.oxt
  
  http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.4-installs/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/kpp-british-english-dictionary-large-list.oxt
  
  
  
  
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[libreoffice-users] Re: Math feature request

2011-11-02 Thread daddo

eskroni wrote:
 
 I think, what you are asking for is way outside the scope of an
 office suite. 
 
 You might want to look at computer algebra systems, like Maple or
 Maxima. You can get some more information here:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_(software)
 
 Sigrid
 


 I did not ask for calculation with values (numbers). I asked an easy to way
insert the same formula (a=bc and b=a/c are the same...) again and again. If
i want to write a book, i use LaTex, if i want to solve exercises, i can use
Maple or Maxima you suggested, but i need only an easy way to insert
formulas to text documents to show, *how* i solved an exercise.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph Styles Not Updating

2011-11-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I'm not sure what has gone wrong.  Sometimes things go a little strange when 
saved as MS formats.  I guess documentation is unhelpful?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
Regards from
Tom :)

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 From: Don Parris parri...@gmail.com
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph Styles Not Updating
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Tuesday, 1 November, 2011, 1:19
 Hi all,
 
 I am having to update a couple documents (contact
 directories) I created
 under OOo some years ago.  I had to save the documents
 in MS Word format
 (*.doc), but used paragraph styles to maintain uniformity
 of style and ease
 of maintenance.  I wanted to change the color for a
 particular heading
 style, and it should have changed the color for each of the
 headings of
 that style.  Unfortunately, modifying the paragraph
 style did not change
 even the particular paragraph the cursor was on, let alone
 the other
 headings of the same style.
 
 I right-clicked on the paragraph style in the Styles list
 box, then chose
 the modify option.  I then chose the font effects
 tab, and changed the
 color.  I clicked Apply and Ok.  Nothing
 happened.  I also made sure
 the automatically update option was checked.
 
 I saved the document as an ODT document and then tried the
 process again.
 Again, nothing happened.  The document was originally
 created in OOo (can't
 say what version, just that I used a version recent enough
 to use ODF).
 Any ideas what I can do, apart from changing each heading
 individually,
 which styles are supposed to help me avoid?
 
 I am using LO 3.4.3 (Portable Apps).
 
 Thanks!
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Math does not export properly

2011-11-02 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Jacques,

Jacques Malaprade schrieb:

Hi Regina,

Thanks for the advice.

I need the formula to be added to a Calc spreadsheet. Is there another
way of adding it?


No it is the same way as for inserting into a Draw document. So simple 
follow that description. A Calc sheet has besides the table of cells a 
so called Draw page. There things are located like charts, drawing 
objects and control fields (e.g. button) and Math-formulas.


If you need it often, you should add the insert formula-icon to your 
toolbar. It is in category Insert. You get the Math-editor in 
inplace-mode, but you can use it same as calling it as separate 
module, only zooming does not work.


Kind regards
Regina



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[libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files

2011-11-02 Thread ESChamp
Is there a reference somewhere that specifies what has to be in an ODF
file to be recognized as one of the ODF types?

I'm asking because I have a DOCX file created by an app on my phone that
opens in MS Office, but is not recognized by LO.

Thanks.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files

2011-11-02 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi ESCHamp,

ESChamp schrieb:

Is there a reference somewhere that specifies what has to be in an ODF
file to be recognized as one of the ODF types?


Yes, ODF is an approved standard. You will find the version 1.1 in 
http://www.oasis-open.org/standards#opendocumentv1.1 and version 1.2 in 
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/ (Version 1.2 is approved by 
OASIS, but the documents are not moved to the standards page yet.)




I'm asking because I have a DOCX file created by an app on my phone that
opens in MS Office, but is not recognized by LO.


DOCX it not an ODF-format, but has its own specification based on Open 
Office XML, 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd773189%28v=office.12%29.aspx.


Kind regards
Regina


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RE: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files

2011-11-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Short Answer: DOCX files are not in ODF format.

Longer Answer:

 1. There is such information in the ODF 1.2 Specification Parts 1 and 3. 
However, it will not help with correctly recognizing a DOCX file in LO or OOo. 
There is a separate International Standard on the OOXML format used by DOCX 
and how Zip is used as part of that.

 2. (Note, some DOCX files are encrypted OOXML documents, and that is actually 
a different format described in a different specification, even though the 
file will still have the .docx extension ending its name.)

 3. There is some indication that mobile applications are not necessarily 
producing the DOCX that LO/OOo is expecting.  It may be non-standard. 
Whatever it is, MS Office is forgiving about it.


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Is there a reference somewhere that specifies what has to be in an ODF
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I'm asking because I have a DOCX file created by an app on my phone that
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread Jake Tennant
Will try that tonight when I get home...

Thanks,
Jake

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 Doc is the older MS format and tends to be better supported on most
 systems.  MS Office 2010 opens it easily.  In LibreOffice/OpenOffice try
 Save As ...  and choose the format
 Microsoft Word 97/2000/Xp
 Please let us know how it goes with that!
 Regards from
 Tom :)



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  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 12:41
   instead of saving in docx,please save
  in doc format, and check whether the
  condition improves or not.
  regards,
 
  On 2 November 2011 17:58, Jacob Tennant w...@comcast.net
  wrote:
 
   I have a document created in Office 2010 that has all
  of the formatting
   preset as it is a lab tech journal for college
  classes.
  
   When I open it in LibreOffice all of the formatting is
  messed up and after
   I add any typing to the document an reopen it in
  Office2010 it is almost
   unreadable even when I save the document in .docx
  format.
  
   Any suggestions as my professor only uses Office2010.
  
   Jacob Tennant
  
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread Steve Edmonds

Hi.
Better still is to ask him to give you the document in .doc format. He 
can easily save it as a .doc from MSO2010.


steve

On 3/11/11 6:08 AM, Jake Tennant wrote:

Will try that tonight when I get home...

Thanks,
Jake

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk  wrote:


Hi :)
Doc is the older MS format and tends to be better supported on most
systems.  MS Office 2010 opens it easily.  In LibreOffice/OpenOffice try
Save As ...  and choose the format
Microsoft Word 97/2000/Xp
Please let us know how it goes with that!
Regards from
Tom :)



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From: soumalya raydrsouma...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 12:41

instead of saving in docx,please save

in doc format, and check whether the
condition improves or not.
regards,

On 2 November 2011 17:58, Jacob Tennantw...@comcast.net
wrote:


I have a document created in Office 2010 that has all

of the formatting

preset as it is a lab tech journal for college

classes.

When I open it in LibreOffice all of the formatting is

messed up and after

I add any typing to the document an reopen it in

Office2010 it is almost

unreadable even when I save the document in .docx

format.

Any suggestions as my professor only uses Office2010.

Jacob Tennant

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[libreoffice-users] Embed OLE draw in writer

2011-11-02 Thread Marcus Moeller

Hi all,

I am trying to embedd an Draw page into a Writer document, using OLE.

The problem is that the page is not inserted in the original size/zoom 
factor, but about 50%.


I have also tried to set the zoom factor in Edit mode (embedded Draw), 
but the function is disabled there.


Greets
Marcus

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
Yes, but people that religiously stick to MS Office and have the most recent 
upgrade often have troubles doing 

File - Save As ... 

or 

Golden Orb - Save As ... 

It leads to t many choices even if they manage to find it.  I had to send a 
screenshot once to help them find their way.  Also people often feel you are 
deliberating being difficult = well worth avoiding if possible.  

On the other hand some really like it when people show a bit of initiative and 
love to see interesting alternative gizmos.  LO as a portable app could raise 
an eyebrow.  
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/

Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 2/11/11, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com wrote:

 From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 17:37
 Hi.
 Better still is to ask him to give you the document in .doc
 format. He 
 can easily save it as a .doc from MSO2010.
 
 steve
 
 On 3/11/11 6:08 AM, Jake Tennant wrote:
  Will try that tonight when I get home...
 
  Thanks,
  Jake
 
  On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Tom Daviestomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
  Hi :)
  Doc is the older MS format and tends to be better
 supported on most
  systems.  MS Office 2010 opens it
 easily.  In LibreOffice/OpenOffice try
  Save As ...  and choose the format
  Microsoft Word 97/2000/Xp
  Please let us know how it goes with that!
  Regards from
  Tom :)
 
 
 
  --- On Wed, 2/11/11, soumalya raydrsouma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  From: soumalya raydrsouma...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document
 formating
  To: users@global.libreoffice.org
  Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 12:41
  instead of saving in
 docx,please save
  in doc format, and check whether the
  condition improves or not.
  regards,
 
  On 2 November 2011 17:58, Jacob Tennantw...@comcast.net
  wrote:
 
  I have a document created in Office 2010
 that has all
  of the formatting
  preset as it is a lab tech journal for
 college
  classes.
  When I open it in LibreOffice all of the
 formatting is
  messed up and after
  I add any typing to the document an reopen
 it in
  Office2010 it is almost
  unreadable even when I save the document
 in .docx
  format.
  Any suggestions as my professor only uses
 Office2010.
 
  Jacob Tennant
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Embed OLE draw in writer

2011-11-02 Thread Regina Henschel

Hi Marcus,

Marcus Moeller schrieb:

Hi all,

I am trying to embedd an Draw page into a Writer document, using OLE.


Is it really necessary?



The problem is that the page is not inserted in the original size/zoom
factor, but about 50%.


Do you insert from file or do you generate a new OLE, which has no file?

Compare the page size of the Draw document with the text area width in 
Writer and add margins, that are needed for rulers and scrollbars. Does 
the Draw source document has enough place in the Writer target document?


Is the OLE anchored to paragraph with follow text flow? Than it is 
restricted to the page text area.




I have also tried to set the zoom factor in Edit mode (embedded Draw),
but the function is disabled there.


Zooming is done with the object mode (green handles).

Kind regards
Regina


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Um, Tom, are you comparing with the LO Writer Save As ... list?

And Office 2010 has a portable app.  You can make one even with the Starter 
Edition.  It is called Office Click-To-Run 2010.  Fits on a Flash Drive. 
Takes a while to setup though, and it stays operational as long as the flash 
drive is kept in a USB port.  Probably not as nifty as Portable LO in terms of 
ease of use.  It's useful to know about though.

Screen shots are a great idea.  Many more are needed for all manner of 
scenarios.

 - Dennis

PS: The Golden Orb is gone in Office 2010.  There is a File menu item/tab.

-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:47
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

Hi :)
Yes, but people that religiously stick to MS Office and have the most recent 
upgrade often have troubles doing

File - Save As ... 

or

Golden Orb - Save As ... 

It leads to t many choices even if they manage to find it.  I had to send 
a screenshot once to help them find their way.  Also people often feel you are 
deliberating being difficult = well worth avoiding if possible.

On the other hand some really like it when people show a bit of initiative and 
love to see interesting alternative gizmos.  LO as a portable app could raise 
an eyebrow.
http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/

Regards from
Tom :)


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RE: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :)
I think you can configure whether you have the orb or without the ribbon at all 
or a strange inbetween.  I haven't really paid to much attention to 2010 tbh.  
I just found it easier to find things i was looking for and escape back to 
LO/OOo quickly.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 2/11/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:

 From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Document formating
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 19:01
 Um, Tom, are you comparing with the
 LO Writer Save As ... list?
 
 And Office 2010 has a portable app.  You can make one
 even with the Starter 
 Edition.  It is called Office Click-To-Run 2010. 
 Fits on a Flash Drive. 
 Takes a while to setup though, and it stays operational as
 long as the flash 
 drive is kept in a USB port.  Probably not as nifty as
 Portable LO in terms of 
 ease of use.  It's useful to know about though.
 
 Screen shots are a great idea.  Many more are needed
 for all manner of 
 scenarios.
 
  - Dennis
 
 PS: The Golden Orb is gone in Office 2010.  There is a
 File menu item/tab.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:47
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating
 
 Hi :)
 Yes, but people that religiously stick to MS Office and
 have the most recent 
 upgrade often have troubles doing
 
 File - Save As ... 
 
 or
 
 Golden Orb - Save As ... 
 
 It leads to t many choices even if they manage to find
 it.  I had to send 
 a screenshot once to help them find their way.  Also
 people often feel you are 
 deliberating being difficult = well worth avoiding if
 possible.
 
 On the other hand some really like it when people show a
 bit of initiative and 
 love to see interesting alternative gizmos.  LO as a
 portable app could raise 
 an eyebrow.
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/
 
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
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RE: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I have Microsoft Office 2010 on a new machine, so no characteristics were 
inherited from older versions.  I have the Ribbon running, and I don't see the 
orb anywhere.  I also use Quick Access thingies for what I regularly use and 
can never remember where to find.

I can't find anything about the Orb or any way to turn it on.   Everything 
seems to have a File tab to the far left now.  Outlook, Excel, Word, 
PowerPoint, even OneNote.  I don't know where you ever saw it in 2010.  Sorry.

 - Dennis



-Original Message-
From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 12:58
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

Hi :)
I think you can configure whether you have the orb or without the ribbon at 
all or a strange inbetween.  I haven't really paid to much attention to 2010 
tbh.  I just found it easier to find things i was looking for and escape back 
to LO/OOo quickly.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 2/11/11, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:

 From: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Document formating
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, 2 November, 2011, 19:01
 Um, Tom, are you comparing with the
 LO Writer Save As ... list?

 And Office 2010 has a portable app.  You can make one
 even with the Starter
 Edition.  It is called Office Click-To-Run 2010.
 Fits on a Flash Drive.
 Takes a while to setup though, and it stays operational as
 long as the flash
 drive is kept in a USB port.  Probably not as nifty as
 Portable LO in terms of
 ease of use.  It's useful to know about though.

 Screen shots are a great idea.  Many more are needed
 for all manner of
 scenarios.

  - Dennis

 PS: The Golden Orb is gone in Office 2010.  There is a
 File menu item/tab.

 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk]
 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:47
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

 Hi :)
 Yes, but people that religiously stick to MS Office and
 have the most recent
 upgrade often have troubles doing

 File - Save As ... 

 or

 Golden Orb - Save As ... 

 It leads to t many choices even if they manage to find
 it.  I had to send
 a screenshot once to help them find their way.  Also
 people often feel you are
 deliberating being difficult = well worth avoiding if
 possible.

 On the other hand some really like it when people show a
 bit of initiative and
 love to see interesting alternative gizmos.  LO as a
 portable app could raise
 an eyebrow.
 http://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable/

 Regards from
 Tom :)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] in Calc: Keyboard trouble with Ctrl+Shift+RightArrow

2011-11-02 Thread David S. Crampton

I entered my description into Bugzilla:

Assigned Bug # 42535
Bug 42535 - Editing UI: Ctrl+Shift-RightArrow faulty extension result
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 23:30:34 -0700, Stephan Zietsman szi...@gmail.com  
wrote:



David S. Crampton wrote:
I don't think the bugs described in those 2 articles are the same  
behavior

issue. Those descriptions and the discussion of is it a bug or is it
emulating Excel are too dense for my brain at least this evening.
[...]
In short, I think I'm reporting something different.


Please file a bug report (bugs.freedesktop.org).  But first make sure
to check if someone has not reported it already.  Please let us know
when you've reported (or found) the bug, along with the bug number;
I'd like to add my comments.

Regards
Stephan


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Document formating

2011-11-02 Thread e-letter
On 02/11/2011, Jacob Tennant w...@comcast.net wrote:

 Any suggestions as my professor only uses Office2010.


Explain to your professor that you are too poor to afford to use m$
and so you are using LO.

Ask him/her to use LO. At least this demonstrates you have initiative...:)
Or to save documents in odt.
Or you get a student edition of m$o.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO Conflicts with OOo

2011-11-02 Thread NoOp
On 11/02/2011 09:16 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :) It looks pretty clear to me.  

What looks pretty clear to you?

 Anyway you can never really trust
 how the thread might have been manipulated along the way so judging
 people based on a reply of a reply of a reply would be pretty dumb.
 The content is more important than who said what and is only useful
 if the most recent post in the thread doesn't seem to make much sense
 on it's own.

Nonsense. Harold knows how to read threads (even top-posted mangled ones).

 
 There is no need to give people a hard time just because they don't
 do things your way.  Freedom of choice right? Regards from Tom :)

Excuse me? don't do things your way?? If I post a reply and attribute
the content to you, and you hadn't posted any of it would that be
Freedom of choice? Nevermind, don't answer that; it will keep the list
cleaner.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Paragraph Styles Not Updating

2011-11-02 Thread Don Parris
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:43, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 I'm not sure what has gone wrong.  Sometimes things go a little strange
 when saved as MS formats.  I guess documentation is unhelpful?
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
 Regards from
 Tom :)


 I haven't seen anything thus far, reading through the styles section.  My
best guess is that I should have kept an original copy in ODF format to
begin with.  Grrr...  Fortunately, the documents I'm working with are
fairly short.  Just a minor hassle.

Thanks though!
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Re: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files

2011-11-02 Thread ESChamp
Dennis E. Hamilton has written on 11/2/2011 1:01 PM:
 Short Answer: DOCX files are not in ODF format.

 Longer Answer:

  1. There is such information in the ODF 1.2 Specification Parts 1 and 3. 
 However, it will not help with correctly recognizing a DOCX file in LO or 
 OOo. 
 There is a separate International Standard on the OOXML format used by DOCX 
 and how Zip is used as part of that.

Oops!

  2. (Note, some DOCX files are encrypted OOXML documents, and that is 
 actually 
 a different format described in a different specification, even though the 
 file will still have the .docx extension ending its name.)

  3. There is some indication that mobile applications are not necessarily 
 producing the DOCX that LO/OOo is expecting.  It may be non-standard. 
 Whatever it is, MS Office is forgiving about it.

I found an on-line validator at
http://www.document-interoperability.com/validator

When I fed it the original OfficeSuite-created file, it said,

Inspecting ZIP ...
 Mismatch between local header and central record (weakened ZIP
resilience)

Checking OPC Package ...
 Entry with MIME type
application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has
unrecognized relationship type
http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties;
(see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1)
 1 problem found with OPC package


The one which resulted when I opened the original in 2010 Office and did
a Save As gave this:

Checking OPC Package ...
 Entry with MIME type
application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has
unrecognized relationship type
http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties;
(see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1)
 1 problem found with OPC package

Hmmm...same as the original.

The one that was created with Libre Office as a brand new file had the
same message as the one created with the Android app





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[libreoffice-users] How to make a request for a change?

2011-11-02 Thread ESChamp
Do the LO developers read this list, or is there an official channel for
requesting changes?

I would like the menu I mentioned in an earlier menu to list documents
types alphabetically by name, or -- if they must be alpha by name of
extension as someone suggested -- could the please add the extension
name to the descriptor?

Thanks.


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[libreoffice-users] flip columns in calc

2011-11-02 Thread Jason Paul Joines
I'm using LibreOffice 3.4.3 on Kubuntu 11.04.  Is there any way to 
reverse the order of columns in a Calc spreadsheet?  For example, if I 
have columns A through Z, I want to re-order them so that the contents 
of Z are in A, Y in B, X in C, ..., A in Z, B in Y, C in X.  In reality 
I need to leave the first 9 columns in order and have many more than 26 
columns.  Is there something that works similarly to transpose in Paste 
special... but to reverse columns instead?



Jason
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RE: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files

2011-11-02 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Hi Pete,

The Zip-related message may be a warning, not a fatality. It also may be 
related to up-/down-level compatibility among the PKWare Zip specifications. 
When I use WinZip 9.0 SR-1, there are no problems reported.  I haven't checked 
the files against the PKWare APPNOTE 6.2.0 to see if there is an issue at that 
level.

With regard to IS 29500-1:2008 section 15.2.12.1, I am looking at the 
specification and it definitely has opendocument/2006/relationships/... in 
the URL where the files that fail validation have 
package/2006/relationships/

I checked for recent corrections and amendments.  Looking at IS 29500-1:2011 
that (well, ECMA-376 ed.3, which is free and already available), there is no 
change from IS 29500-1:2008.  I also went all the way back to ECMA-376 ed.1 of 
December 2006. There has never been any different definition than what the IS 
29500 editions say.  I also checked iS 29500-4:2011 on Transitional Migration 
Features to see if there is a different case for this relationship.  What is 
strange is that 15.2.12.1 is listed as having a difference, but the Source 
Relationship value given is no different than the value in 29500-1:2011. 
(There may be a difference and I am blind to it somehow.  Time to see the 
opthomalogist.)

The validator message appears to be completely correct but LO does not fail 
when that is the only flaw.  LO accepts the apparently-incorrect .docx from 
Word 2010.  It apparently fails on the Zip itself, not the .rels file inside 
the Zip.

It seems this defect was not noticed and the problem appears to be with 
Microsoft Office too.  Everyone seems to tolerate it.  Maybe because I have 
not found all of the right places, maybe because of a desire to be compatible 
with what Office actually does.  I can't tell.

It is clear that the problem for LO is the discrepancy in the Zip though. 
When that is removed, LO opens the file just fine.

Yuck.

Thanks for tracking down the apparent discrepancy.


 - Dennis E. Hamilton
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-Original Message-
From: ESChamp [mailto:esch...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 16:51
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] The guts of ODF files

Dennis E. Hamilton has written on 11/2/2011 1:01 PM:
 Short Answer: DOCX files are not in ODF format.

 Longer Answer:

  1. There is such information in the ODF 1.2 Specification Parts 1 and 3.
 However, it will not help with correctly recognizing a DOCX file in LO or 
 OOo.
 There is a separate International Standard on the OOXML format used by DOCX
 and how Zip is used as part of that.

Oops!

  2. (Note, some DOCX files are encrypted OOXML documents, and that is 
 actually
 a different format described in a different specification, even though the
 file will still have the .docx extension ending its name.)

  3. There is some indication that mobile applications are not necessarily
 producing the DOCX that LO/OOo is expecting.  It may be non-standard.
 Whatever it is, MS Office is forgiving about it.

I found an on-line validator at
http://www.document-interoperability.com/validator

When I fed it the original OfficeSuite-created file, it said,

Inspecting ZIP ...
 Mismatch between local header and central record (weakened ZIP
resilience)

Checking OPC Package ...
 Entry with MIME type
application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has
unrecognized relationship type
http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties;
(see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1)
 1 problem found with OPC package


The one which resulted when I opened the original in 2010 Office and did
a Save As gave this:

Checking OPC Package ...
 Entry with MIME type
application/vnd.openxmlformats-package.core-properties+xml has
unrecognized relationship type
http://schemas.openxmlformats.org/package/2006/relationships/metadata/core-properties;
(see ISO/IEC 29500-1:2008, Clause 15.2.12.1)
 1 problem found with OPC package

Hmmm...same as the original.

The one that was created with Libre Office as a brand new file had the
same message as the one created with the Android app





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