Re: [libreoffice-users] messages returned
Hi :) Extensions is such an old name. Anyone any idea if it would be difficult for the devs to change the name to Add-ons or Plug-ins or is there a newer word that people are using? Perhaps Apps? Regards from Tom :) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 6:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] messages returned On 11/24/2012 10:10 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 21:27 24/11/2012 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: This message COULD be sent in response to my own post, but NOT in response to Mr. Davies' post. Now that the message has been posted, it does not matter any more, but somehow I would like to know why ... (2012/11/21 17:53), Tom Davies wrote: Have you tried renaming your user profile? Is it possible the problem is being caused by an [Redacted]? I'm not sure if it would be better to post a new bug-report and link to the old one, or just add a comment to say the regression appears to have reappeared. [Redacted]: I use mainly the same [redacted]s on my home computer and the one in my office (would have to check whether there are differences) Home computer works fine. So, likelihood of a bug is not so high - I suspect. Java: checked JRE this morning (had two days off here in Japan). It was installed (1.6.037). Updated to 1.7.0.09 just now. No change. LO crashes 100% when trying to use File -gt; Wizard. Any other ideas? Thank you. The original rejection said Mail appears to be spam [...] and is rejected due to policy. Your message contained the word _e x t e n s i o n_ (or its plural) three times in a little over 120 words. That's quite a high concentration. I hesitate to point this out, but that word is a feature of certain types of spam. (My first attempt to send this, without the editing, has - not surprisingly - also not reached the list.) Brian Barker I did not see that. It makes sense some Bayesian filters will check certain words overuse based on patterns seen in spam. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] - Scalc.java ported to C++ , uses DocumentLoader
Hi :) Please let us know how this is progressing. Have you been able to fully join the devs list and have you started getting answers? I wouldn't expect them to be any good at being sociable but hopefully your question catches their intereest and gets soem answers! Regards from Tom :) From: Rai, Neeraj neeraj@citi.com To: 'Tom Davies' tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; 'users@global.libreoffice.org' users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012, 22:33 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] - Scalc.java ported to C++ , uses DocumentLoader thanks Tom. Posted the question to DEV list for now. From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 3:24 PM To: Rai, Neeraj [ICG-MKTS]; 'users@global.libreoffice.org' Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] - Scalc.java ported to C++ , uses DocumentLoader Hi :) Perhaps the Extensions website? Sorry i don't have a link for that right now :( Perhaps ask the devs list? Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Rai, Neeraj neeraj@citi.com To: 'users@global.libreoffice.org' users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2012, 19:53 Subject: [libreoffice-users] - Scalc.java ported to C++ , uses DocumentLoader Hi , With help of feedbacks I received and using source available from docs, I have been able to merge Scalc.java and DocumentLoader.cxx. The example expects soffice running just like in examples/cpp/DocumentLoader. Running Scalc would connect to soffice, load scalc.ods and populate data in cells, just like Scalc.java Is there any secure place to put this code for the benefit of users ? Wiki or being bundled with examples ? Thanks Neeraj -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.orgmailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart
Hi :) Just found this link again too. Any good for inspiration for the wiki? Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012, 15:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart I think LO is easier to use than MSO2003. That was before the Ribbon UI was created. What I hated about MSO-2003-Word, was how long it took to be to the point where I could do anything. Then there were all these side-bar options that I could not get to stop showing up and slowing down my use of Word. LO, even at its slowest opening versions was faster to get to the point of typing/editing my document. Yes, the UI is different than MSO and we need to see about some graphic/chart showing new users where the options are in the menu-bar. I know some packages show that type of thing in a printed sheet for new users. I had one for MSO. A company called BarCharts, Inc. does a very good job creating quick study guides. I have some of their Math and Science laminated QUICK STUDY Academic sheets. I find that they were great for helping me with the formulas needs when I was substituting as a Math teacher. I have not bought any since the late 90's, but the company seems to have 5 or 10 times the number of titles since I bought the sheets from them. Word 2010 sheet - http://www.barcharts.com/Inventory/Navision/9781423214526 This company has MSO guides, but no LibreOffice ones. It would be interesting if we could get such a quick reference guide sheet created for LibreOffice. The basics should not change over the various versions. The basic UI and menu option placements should not change [much] between lines either. On 11/14/2012 10:18 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 They often seem to think it's going to take them just as long to learn LO as it took them to learn MSO. Of course it takes a lot less time because most of the ideas are the same or similar. I'm currently struggling with a lady that seems determined to use the space-bar instead of; tabs, indents, centre, right-aligned, columns, tables. Most people have taken years to learn those sorts of things and seem to think they are going to have to re-learn all of that. Today she protested that LO wasn't as easy as i had made out but my boss (an MS fanboy) stepped in and somehow told her nicely a better way = to do the typing first and then apply formatting afterwards! Fantastic!! :) Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012, 14:05 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart Paying special attention to the Styles Chapters is definitely important; maybe the most important chapters to look at. A guidance for LibO beginners could help to move people from MSO to LibO. I observe that many people are sticking with MSO because with huge efforts they learned to use MSO (most often just very basics) and don't want to take an effort to learn something new without a good guidance. On 2012-11-14 20:38, Tom Davies wrote: Hi:) I think just working through the Getting Started guide helps hugely. Pay special attention to the Styles chapter. wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications I had to help someone tidy up a Word document yday and it was a total Pita. Fortunately they are very unfamiliar with MS-anything so; 1. They didn't do so many of the weirdnesses that people learn to use to really stuff-up their documents and make them unreadable to everyone that isn't using their system 2. There is some hope of pushing them straight into using LO Regards from Tom :) From: Dr. R. O Stapf reinh...@stapf-online.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012, 8:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart When I wrote my comment I was not thinking about the change of a font, but getting something which helps to understand how Writer work and a support to unlearn Word. I am currently struggling with unlearning Word and Power Point. On 2012-11-13 22:56, VA wrote: Yes, MS completely redesigned the user interface with Word 2007, so any chart made for Word 2003 could be very different for one made for Word 2007. I'm not sure how effective a chart would be, for LibO and Word, in many ways, just think differently. LibO uses not only paragraph styles but also page styles, which is a completely foreign concept to
Re: [libreoffice-users] Macro Problem: Extending a Chart's X-axis
From: Jonathan Levi drjle...@aol.com To: tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 21:45 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Macro Problem: Extending a Chart's X-axis Tom, I think the data I need might possibly be accessed according to this statement in the Developer Guide: The data of a chart is acquired from the com.sun.star.chart.XChartDocument interface of the chart document model using the method com.sun.star.chart.XChartDocument:getData(). The current implementation of OpenOffice.org charts provides a com.sun.star.chart.XChartDataArray interface, derived from com.sun.star.chart.XChartData and supports the service com.sun.star.chart.ChartDataArray. However, if I write Dim Doc As Object Dim chartData As Object Doc = ThisComponent chartData = com.sun.star.chart.XChartDocument:getData() I get Property or method not found: GetData Same with chartData = com.sun.star.chart.XChartDocument.getData(). chartData = com.sun.star.chart.ChartDataArray runs, but I'm not sure how to retrieve the results. Can you give me any guidance? Thanks again, Jonathan -Original Message- From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Jonathan Levi drjle...@aol.com; users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Macro Problem: Extending a Chart's X-axis Hi :) Could you cheat? Could the data-range that gives you 1, 2, 3, 4 be extended and then edit the chart to pick-up the additional values? I don't think you would need corresponding Y values. Hopefully avoiding needing a macro might simplify things. Regards from Tom :) From: Jonathan Levi drjle...@aol.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2012, 17:54 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Macro Problem: Extending a Chart's X-axis I don't know if this is the right list to query, but I'm having trouble writing a simple Basic macro to extend a chart's X-axis. The bottom of the chart starts off looking like this: | | |---| 1 2 3 4 My macro is: Sub Main Dim Doc As Object Dim Charts As Object Dim Chart as Object Doc = ThisComponent Charts = Doc.Sheets(0).Charts Chart = Charts.getByIndex(0).EmbeddedObject Chart.Diagram.XAxis.Max = Chart.Diagram.XAxis.Max + 4 End Sub and in the end, I want the bottom of the chart to be: | | |-| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Instead, I get | | |---| 1234 I'm sure the problem has something to do with the fact that the Format Data Ranges... menu item's content remains unchanged, i.e., stays $Sheet1.$A$1:$A$5 instead of changing to $Sheet1.$A$1:$A$9 which gives the chart the appearance I want. Any ideas re modules, services, methods to get/set the chart's data range? TIA, Jonathan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily?
I installed a protable version of LOo on 2 diffrent pc(windows). So I need to rebuild the asscociation... It will take me lots of time if I associate it one by one.. Could someone tell me an easy way to do that? thx a lot.:) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting stats that are very well presented in there and it's worth using to spread the word of how LibreOffice works. For me one of the key things that no article seems to mention is that while many hefty companies are vanishing seemingly overnight it seems somewhat dangerous to rely on just one. It would be like not making back-ups of critical information!! If we can bear to think of LO and AOO as being similar enough that users can migrate from one to the other fairly easily and thus as being 2 prioducts supported by 1 community then that community is massive. Taken as being 1 product it is so robust that even if 1 or 2 companoes the size of IBM or Google (or RedHat or SUSE) were to simply vanish overnight then there would still be a good product out there. By sticking with MS people are risking everything they have by being so heavily dependant on just 1 company and that company is losing market share to mobile devices. Perhaps Win8 might help them recover the OS battle but it might not. Regards from Tom :) From: frido...@kathan.co.nz frido...@kathan.co.nz To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 8:07 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice A positive informative article about LibreOffice. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success Greetings from Tauranga Fridolin --Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily?
Hi :) A normal install would sort it all for you. The portable version is meant for a usb-stick or something or for where your permissions to install stuff is severly hampered. If you can change the file associations then what happens when LO is unplugged? Probably the easiest way is just to keep LO open and dragdrop files onto it to open them. Not ideal so hopefully someone else can suggest a better answer! Regards from Tom :) From: Marco marco...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 16:17 Subject: [libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily? I installed a protable version of LOo on 2 diffrent pc(windows). So I need to rebuild the asscociation... It will take me lots of time if I associate it one by one.. Could someone tell me an easy way to do that? thx a lot.:) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily?
I never use windows, but if i remember correctly, it should be: file-properties-open with...-apply to all files of this type or something like: system (form the operating system's menu) file types/associations i.e.: start / control panel / programs / predefined programs / associate a kind of file or protocol https://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/win_fcab_reg_filetype.mspx http://www.7tutorials.com/how-associate-file-type-or-protocol-program From: Marco marco...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily? I installed a protable version of LOo on 2 diffrent pc(windows). So I need to rebuild the asscociation... It will take me lots of time if I associate it one by one.. Could someone tell me an easy way to do that? thx a lot.:) -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily?
Marco wrote: I installed a protable version of LOo on 2 diffrent pc(windows). So I need to rebuild the asscociation... It will take me lots of time if I associate it one by one.. Could someone tell me an easy way to do that? thx a lot.:) Why would you install the portable version on a PC? You'd normally install the regular version, which will set the files associations, on a PC. The portable version is intended to be installed on a USB drive, which can then be plugged into a computer as needed. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Hyphenation problem
I wonder whether anyone else has noticed a peculiar fault in recent versions of Libre Office (mine is version 3.6.2.2, on Ubuntu 12.10). When a hyphenated term is the first item in a line after a line with looser word-spacing, i.e. with enough room for the part before the hyphen, this part is no longer taken back automatically to the end of the previous line. Instead a space has to be added manually after the hyphen for this to happen. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files.
I have been converting various documents to MS Word XP and ODF format from floppy disks. I am going through the directories to check to see if the documents have been converted properly before finally archiving the converted documents to CD/DVD. The was a group of Word 97 documents that I had converted a year ago that I am now looking at. I was shocked that some of these Word 97 documents won't now open in LibreOffice. I was running LibreOffice 3.5.6.2. I upgraded to LibreOffice 3.6.3. with no effect, it still doesn't open these Word 97 files. Note that the majority of the files open. These are simple text files with no graphics or tables in them. The files that fail have no pattern to them. I re-installed Open Office 3.2.1 and they will open with that. I checked other older versions of LibO and found that LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 does NOT open the files. There are a few files like this that won't open. I am currently going through the directories and re-saving any that don't work with the word re-saved in the filename keeping the original Word 97 file so I can keep the date. There are 3 files I have done this too but I know there are more. Should I start a new bug for this? This doesn't feel nice to know that the major free office suite has problems opening Word 97 files. Luckily I have converted these to ODF files but I also want to convert them to PDF files just in case ODF stops being used. I am using LibreOffice on Mac OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard. These problem files will open in TextEdit. I am thinking of using iWork Pages because it tracks properly in Lion that I will upgrade to once I have sorted out all these conversions. Hopefully since TextEdit can open these Problem Word 97 files Pages will too. Declan Moriarty -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files.
Hi :) ODF is used by a wide variety of programs; Google docs, Caligra/KOffice, AbiWord = basically all of them except MS Office and even MS Office is starting to offer the option. It's not 'just' AOO and LO. So the format should be around for a fair while. That said it does make sense to have a back-up in a different format and Pdf displays the same on all different platforms so it might even be useful. It might be good to post a bug-report about it. Doc is usually a good format for sharing and collaborating with other people but it is a proprietary format and as such has always been subject to the slightest whims of a single 3rd party profit-making company. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 25/11/12, Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files. To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 25 November, 2012, 19:49 I have been converting various documents to MS Word XP and ODF format from floppy disks. I am going through the directories to check to see if the documents have been converted properly before finally archiving the converted documents to CD/DVD. The was a group of Word 97 documents that I had converted a year ago that I am now looking at. I was shocked that some of these Word 97 documents won't now open in LibreOffice. I was running LibreOffice 3.5.6.2. I upgraded to LibreOffice 3.6.3. with no effect, it still doesn't open these Word 97 files. Note that the majority of the files open. These are simple text files with no graphics or tables in them. The files that fail have no pattern to them. I re-installed Open Office 3.2.1 and they will open with that. I checked other older versions of LibO and found that LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 does NOT open the files. There are a few files like this that won't open. I am currently going through the directories and re-saving any that don't work with the word re-saved in the filename keeping the original Word 97 file so I can keep the date. There are 3 files I have done this too but I know there are more. Should I start a new bug for this? This doesn't feel nice to know that the major free office suite has problems opening Word 97 files. Luckily I have converted these to ODF files but I also want to convert them to PDF files just in case ODF stops being used. I am using LibreOffice on Mac OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard. These problem files will open in TextEdit. I am thinking of using iWork Pages because it tracks properly in Lion that I will upgrade to once I have sorted out all these conversions. Hopefully since TextEdit can open these Problem Word 97 files Pages will too. Declan Moriarty -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
A thing about FOSS that is good, is that there is more than one voice involved in the way the product will be designed/used/etc.. MS people tend to say - This is what you are going to use now and this is how your will do it. Products involved with many companies helping with the development, listens to more than one voice to make the decisions in how to use the product, what it can do, and what it will be like for the user experience. MS will not likely stop being a big company and provide the products and services they feel the market needs. For a FOSS package, it is good to have a large base of volunteers and companies that provide development of the product. Sure, with everything in the hands of one company and its highly stressed development teams under the control of one manager [that may be just a professional manager] - could be a good thing for a product. But is that better for the user or just better for the company's product manager? MS has in the past shown that they are not in sync with its users, and has done so many times. With the FOSS model, it is hard not to include the user of the package in its development process. Volunteers tend not to want to work on a product that the users will not want to use. MS makes a package and tell the users - here it is so use it the way we tell you to use it. The article was written the first week of November, and I think I have read it before. I think packages that cares about the user, like LibreOffice does, will be successful and gain market shares from the products that do not include the users in development of the product, like MS does.. On 11/25/2012 11:38 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting stats that are very well presented in there and it's worth using to spread the word of how LibreOffice works. For me one of the key things that no article seems to mention is that while many hefty companies are vanishing seemingly overnight it seems somewhat dangerous to rely on just one. It would be like not making back-ups of critical information!! If we can bear to think of LO and AOO as being similar enough that users can migrate from one to the other fairly easily and thus as being 2 prioducts supported by 1 community then that community is massive. Taken as being 1 product it is so robust that even if 1 or 2 companoes the size of IBM or Google (or RedHat or SUSE) were to simply vanish overnight then there would still be a good product out there. By sticking with MS people are risking everything they have by being so heavily dependant on just 1 company and that company is losing market share to mobile devices. Perhaps Win8 might help them recover the OS battle but it might not. Regards from Tom :) From: frido...@kathan.co.nz frido...@kathan.co.nz To: market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 4 November 2012, 8:07 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice A positive informative article about LibreOffice. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success Greetings from Tauranga Fridolin --Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart
I just bought 3 sheets for BarCharts, Inc. [$22 USD] Excel 2010 Word 2010 Word Tips Tricks Will see what they have decided was needed for their laminated quick study sheets. Well, is seems that they charged NYS sales tax on their Freight Out i.e. shipping charge. Weird. So in a few weeks I will have them and will see what they are all about. I MAY make low-res scans of them and send them to a few people to help me organize what LO has and can do. Low-res will do no good for printing and using, so it should be OK. I just want a few of us to have an idea on how these guides are setup and what can be included. On 11/25/2012 06:09 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Just found this link again too. Any good for inspiration for the wiki? Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012, 15:56 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart I think LO is easier to use than MSO2003. That was before the Ribbon UI was created. What I hated about MSO-2003-Word, was how long it took to be to the point where I could do anything. Then there were all these side-bar options that I could not get to stop showing up and slowing down my use of Word. LO, even at its slowest opening versions was faster to get to the point of typing/editing my document. Yes, the UI is different than MSO and we need to see about some graphic/chart showing new users where the options are in the menu-bar. I know some packages show that type of thing in a printed sheet for new users. I had one for MSO. A company called BarCharts, Inc. does a very good job creating quick study guides. I have some of their Math and Science laminated QUICK STUDY Academic sheets. I find that they were great for helping me with the formulas needs when I was substituting as a Math teacher. I have not bought any since the late 90's, but the company seems to have 5 or 10 times the number of titles since I bought the sheets from them. Word 2010 sheet - http://www.barcharts.com/Inventory/Navision/9781423214526 This company has MSO guides, but no LibreOffice ones. It would be interesting if we could get such a quick reference guide sheet created for LibreOffice. The basics should not change over the various versions. The basic UI and menu option placements should not change [much] between lines either. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fw: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files.
Tom, I will do a bug report about this. One reason I have been converting to .doc is that I had originally had Word filter for Ami Pro documents that I had a lot of and needed to convert them. I found out that the Ami Pro filter from Microsoft din't do graphics. I had to get them converted by other means. I also has Windows Write documents that again were converted to Word format. So it seemed natural to convert everything to Word. I then started to convert to ODF and PDF because it was a good idea to hedge ones bets. I then discovered that Apple iWork Pages doesn't read ODF files! This meant that Word .doc files become suddenly more relevant. Pages is the only Word processor other than TextEdit on the Mac that tracks the cursor when zoomed using Mac OS X zoom feature in Lion. LibreOffice doesn't do it. So I will be moving to Pages once all this conversion and archiving is over. Google Docs used to track the cursor but stopped doing it when they updated their system. MS Word for the mac doesn't track the cursor in Lion and won't do it ever. Microsoft have said that Office for mac isn't accessible and won't be accessible. If you want accessible office buy a Windows PC! NeoOffice is paid for and worse you have to give a Donation before you download it. Because it is Donation ware there is no comeback if things go wrong. Also NeoOffice doesn't work with VoiceOver that I don't use, but I refuse to support software that won't work with it and whose developers won't be making NeoOffice work with VoiceOver. Also NeoOffice doesn't track the cursor. Declan Moriarty - Forwarded Message - From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org; Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 21:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files. Hi :) ODF is used by a wide variety of programs; Google docs, Caligra/KOffice, AbiWord = basically all of them except MS Office and even MS Office is starting to offer the option. It's not 'just' AOO and LO. So the format should be around for a fair while. That said it does make sense to have a back-up in a different format and Pdf displays the same on all different platforms so it might even be useful. It might be good to post a bug-report about it. Doc is usually a good format for sharing and collaborating with other people but it is a proprietary format and as such has always been subject to the slightest whims of a single 3rd party profit-making company. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 25/11/12, Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files. To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 25 November, 2012, 19:49 I have been converting various documents to MS Word XP and ODF format from floppy disks. I am going through the directories to check to see if the documents have been converted properly before finally archiving the converted documents to CD/DVD. The was a group of Word 97 documents that I had converted a year ago that I am now looking at. I was shocked that some of these Word 97 documents won't now open in LibreOffice. I was running LibreOffice 3.5.6.2. I upgraded to LibreOffice 3.6.3. with no effect, it still doesn't open these Word 97 files. Note that the majority of the files open. These are simple text files with no graphics or tables in them. The files that fail have no pattern to them. I re-installed Open Office 3.2.1 and they will open with that. I checked other older versions of LibO and found that LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 does NOT open the files. There are a few files like this that won't open. I am currently going through the directories and re-saving any that don't work with the word re-saved in the filename keeping the original Word 97 file so I can keep the date. There are 3 files I have done this too but I know there are more. Should I start a new bug for this? This doesn't feel nice to know that the major free office suite has problems opening Word 97 files. Luckily I have converted these to ODF files but I also want to convert them to PDF files just in case ODF stops being used. I am using LibreOffice on Mac OS X 10.6.8 Snow Leopard. These problem files will open in TextEdit. I am thinking of using iWork Pages because it tracks properly in Lion that I will upgrade to once I have sorted out all these conversions. Hopefully since TextEdit can open these Problem Word 97 files Pages will too. Declan Moriarty -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?
Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily?
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Many work places block people from having SuperUser permissions on Windows machines. Regards from Tom :) In that case it wouldn't make any difference which version was installed. Without admin rights, neither could be installed. In that case, the portable version could be used from removable media, but you wouldn't expect the file associations to be configured for it. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting stats that are very well presented in there and it's worth using to spread the word of how LibreOffice works. For me one of the key things that no article seems to mention is that while many hefty companies are vanishing seemingly overnight it seems somewhat dangerous to rely on just one. It would be like not making back-ups of critical information!! If we can bear to think of LO and AOO as being similar enough that users can migrate from one to the other fairly easily and thus as being 2 prioducts supported by 1 community then that community is massive. Taken as being 1 product it is so robust that even if 1 or 2 companoes the size of IBM or Google (or RedHat or SUSE) were to simply vanish overnight then there would still be a good product out there. By sticking with MS people are risking everything they have by being so heavily dependant on just 1 company and that company is losing market share to mobile devices. Perhaps Win8 might help them recover the OS battle but it might not. Regards from Tom :) Greetings, My primary goal is to reduce, or preferably eliminate, risk to my data. I learned the hard way many years ago that depending on M$ and other proprietary software suppliers was way too risky. I then decided to switch to Open Source software and take back control of my computer. I have never regretted that decision. Even if LO/AOO go away, there are still other applications, such as Koffice, that will still allow me to read/maintain my documents data. And, if it comes down to it, I can always unzip my LO/OO files and get the data from the file(s) inside. That allows me to sleep at night. Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files.
Hi :) A bug-report is a good plan. When i had a quick look into NeoOffice a couple of years ago it was based on OpenOffice.org pre-the-fork. I don't know if they have re-based on LO in the last couple of years. Either way it uses ODF. Apache OpenOffice are hoping to incorporate all the accessibility stuff from IBM's Lotus Symphony fairly quickly even though it's all java-based. Again, both use ODF. Doc format is good at the moment but it's owned by MS and it's in their best interest to try to stop it from being used for new documents and the sooner they can do that the better for them. They need to push everyone into using their newer format (which changes at each release of their Suite) so that people are forced into renting the latest MS Office suite as soon as possible. Right now is a difficult time to start thinking about long-term storage. Maybe in a year or 2 things will become clearer 1. the MS format may settle down although that seems unlikely 2. ODF may become much more widely used Of course the Rtf format that was being widely promoted a few years ago has turned out to be a bit of a nightmare and is another format owned by MS. Apparently MS made the same promises for Rtf that they currently make for DocX but fell so far short of their promises about interoperability and compatibility that MS allegedly lost court cases about it. Doc is a good format for sharing documents and working with others at the moment but it might not a good one for long-term storage. ODF seems to be rapidly increasing in popularity. It was a bit of a surprise that Apple choose to create their own format! So, i think your plan to store documents in 2 formats is a good plan. Pdf is not easily editable but at least it looks the same on different types of machines. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 25/11/12, Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Fw: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files. To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Sunday, 25 November, 2012, 22:04 Tom, I will do a bug report about this. One reason I have been converting to .doc is that I had originally had Word filter for Ami Pro documents that I had a lot of and needed to convert them. I found out that the Ami Pro filter from Microsoft didn't do graphics. I had to get them converted by other means. I also have Windows Write documents that again were converted to Word format. So it seemed natural to convert everything to Word. I then started to convert to ODF and PDF because it was a good idea to hedge ones bets. I then discovered that Apple iWork Pages doesn't read ODF files! This meant that Word .doc files become suddenly more relevant. Pages is the only Word processor other than TextEdit on the Mac that tracks the cursor when zoomed using Mac OS X zoom feature in Lion. LibreOffice doesn't do it. So I will be moving to Pages once all this conversion and archiving is over. Google Docs used to track the cursor but stopped doing it when they updated their system. MS Word for the mac doesn't track the cursor in Lion and won't do it ever. Microsoft have said that Office for mac isn't accessible and won't be accessible. If you want accessible office buy a Windows PC! NeoOffice is paid for and worse you have to give a Donation before you download it. Because it is Donation ware there is no comeback if things go wrong. Also NeoOffice doesn't work with VoiceOver that I don't use, but I refuse to support software that won't work with it and whose developers won't be making NeoOffice work with VoiceOver. Also NeoOffice doesn't track the cursor. Declan Moriarty - Forwarded Message - From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org; Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 21:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Regression: LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 gives error Read Error: Not a winword97 file wen opening some Word 97 files. Hi :) ODF is used by a wide variety of programs; Google docs, Caligra/KOffice, AbiWord = basically all of them except MS Office and even MS Office is starting to offer the option. It's not 'just' AOO and LO. So the format should be around for a fair while. That said it does make sense to have a back-up in a different format and Pdf displays the same on all different platforms so it might even be useful. It might be good to post a bug-report about it. Doc is usually a good format for sharing and collaborating with other people but it is a proprietary format and as such has always been subject to the slightest whims of a single 3rd party profit-making company. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 25/11/12, Declan Moriarty declan_moria...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
On 11/25/2012 05:27 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It's interesting that there has been almost no posts about articles such as this one. https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/660608-libreoffice-a-continuing-tale-of-foss-success There are some interesting stats that are very well presented in there and it's worth using to spread the word of how LibreOffice works. For me one of the key things that no article seems to mention is that while many hefty companies are vanishing seemingly overnight it seems somewhat dangerous to rely on just one. It would be like not making back-ups of critical information!! If we can bear to think of LO and AOO as being similar enough that users can migrate from one to the other fairly easily and thus as being 2 prioducts supported by 1 community then that community is massive. Taken as being 1 product it is so robust that even if 1 or 2 companoes the size of IBM or Google (or RedHat or SUSE) were to simply vanish overnight then there would still be a good product out there. By sticking with MS people are risking everything they have by being so heavily dependant on just 1 company and that company is losing market share to mobile devices. Perhaps Win8 might help them recover the OS battle but it might not. Regards from Tom :) Greetings, My primary goal is to reduce, or preferably eliminate, risk to my data. I learned the hard way many years ago that depending on M$ and other proprietary software suppliers was way too risky. I then decided to switch to Open Source software and take back control of my computer. I have never regretted that decision. Even if LO/AOO go away, there are still other applications, such as Koffice, that will still allow me to read/maintain my documents data. And, if it comes down to it, I can always unzip my LO/OO files and get the data from the file(s) inside. That allows me to sleep at night. Girvin Herr +1 I prefer the FOSS / open formats model better for the reasons you noted. From a general user perspective; open formats are probably more important for long term accessibility. Most long term users can remember proprietary formats for software that were very popular 15+ years ago that are unreadable by any software in current release. To make matters worse you may even have files you would like to read in these formats. You may find a conversion software that claims to accurately convert the obsolete format to a currently used format - I can not vouch for anyone's claims. The problem with any proprietary format is whether someone will continue to provide software that can edit it in the future or will it eventually become an orphan. Amipro and Wordstar come to mind and I am sure others can be named. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: off-list Re: [libreoffice-users] How can I associate LOO with all the files types LOO used easily?
On 11/25/2012 05:10 PM, James Knott wrote: Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Many work places block people from having SuperUser permissions on Windows machines. Regards from Tom :) In that case it wouldn't make any difference which version was installed. Without admin rights, neither could be installed. In that case, the portable version could be used from removable media, but you wouldn't expect the file associations to be configured for it. More accurately you probably do not want to change the default file associations to LO on a removable media. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
On 11/25/2012 06:56 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ important for long term accessibility. Most long term users can remember proprietary formats for software that were very popular 15+ years ago that are unreadable by any software in current release. To make matters worse you may even have files you would like to read in these formats. You may find a conversion software that claims to accurately convert the obsolete format to a currently used format - I can not vouch for anyone's claims. The problem with any proprietary format is whether someone will continue to provide software that can edit it in the future or will it eventually become an orphan. Amipro and Wordstar come to mind and I am sure others can be named. I can send a copy of WordStar if anybody needs it. (DOS version.) However, you're right about the CPM version--I had it on 8 floppy, and I threw all of them out many years ago--probably nobody has a working 8 drive anymore! --doug -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Good Article for LibreOffice
On 11/25/2012 08:44 PM, Doug wrote: On 11/25/2012 06:56 PM, Jay Lozier wrote: /snip/ important for long term accessibility. Most long term users can remember proprietary formats for software that were very popular 15+ years ago that are unreadable by any software in current release. To make matters worse you may even have files you would like to read in these formats. You may find a conversion software that claims to accurately convert the obsolete format to a currently used format - I can not vouch for anyone's claims. The problem with any proprietary format is whether someone will continue to provide software that can edit it in the future or will it eventually become an orphan. Amipro and Wordstar come to mind and I am sure others can be named. I can send a copy of WordStar if anybody needs it. (DOS version.) However, you're right about the CPM version--I had it on 8 floppy, and I threw all of them out many years ago--probably nobody has a working 8 drive anymore! --doug Doug You noted another problem, even if you have the media do you have a device to read it. I never had 8 floppies but at one time many 5.25 and 3.5 floppies. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] No more, please!
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