Re: [libreoffice-users] Database help please

[tonybsa]

> On 3/03/2016, at 08:07, John Montgomery  wrote:
> 
> My problem arises when I enter double numbers eg A11, A20 etc, these should
> follow in sequence but do not follow the sequence I want but A10 follows A1
> etc.
> How can I ensure correct sequencing.

Enter A1 to A9 as A01 - A09

Similarly  with B01 - B09, etc

Tony Bray
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 05:57 PM, toki wrote:
>> Also, if you're leaving email on a POP server for a period of time,
> it's going to be there when someone comes looking for it.
>
> That is not the threat model I was addressing.

Then what was it?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[toki]

On 02/03/2016 22:26, James Knott wrote:

>Also, if you're leaving email on a POP server for a period of time,
it's going to be there when someone comes looking for it.

That is not the threat model I was addressing.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 05:08 PM, toki wrote:
> If, as is usually done with IMAP, the email is stored on a server that
> is neither owned, nor operated, nor controlled by the recipient of the
> email, then the security issue is the IMAP vendor turning that email
> over to third parties without your knowledge, authorization, or consent.
> US Law is clear that such email _can_ legally be turned over to third
> parties, if certain specific conditions are met. It is extremely
> difficult for IMAP users to be out of compliance with those specific
> conditions. The irony here is that when the law was passed, not only was
> the norm to be out of compliance, but the being in compliance with those
> conditions took a series of active steps, on the part of the end user.
> Back then, no matter how hard Joe Sixpack tried, he would not have in
> compliance with those conditions.(Ah, the days when 100 kb mailboxes
> were the norm, and mail sysadmins were ruthless about delting your
> email, regardless of your desires.)

If you're worried about that then any email server is a risk, other than
your own.  Until recently, all email was sent as plain text over the
public Internet.  It was very easy to intercept.  Also, if you're
leaving email on a POP server for a period of time, it's going to be
there when someone comes looking for it.  If you really want security,
the answer is, as it has been for centuries, use encryption.  Many
people already do that with PGP or X.509 certificates.  Always assume
the "enemy" can eavesdrop on your communications, so protect the content
with encryption.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[toki]

On 02/03/2016 21:40, James Knott wrote:

> Also, how is IMAP a security problem,

If, as is usually done with IMAP, the email is stored on a server that
is neither owned, nor operated, nor controlled by the recipient of the
email, then the security issue is the IMAP vendor turning that email
over to third parties without your knowledge, authorization, or consent.
US Law is clear that such email _can_ legally be turned over to third
parties, if certain specific conditions are met. It is extremely
difficult for IMAP users to be out of compliance with those specific
conditions. The irony here is that when the law was passed, not only was
the norm to be out of compliance, but the being in compliance with those
conditions took a series of active steps, on the part of the end user.
Back then, no matter how hard Joe Sixpack tried, he would not have in
compliance with those conditions.(Ah, the days when 100 kb mailboxes
were the norm, and mail sysadmins were ruthless about delting your
email, regardless of your desires.)

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 03:46 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
> Thunderbird is a database of information.  The fact that there is no
> data replication built in is not the inhibiting factor to doing so.

It is an email client, nothing more.  If you want replication, you're
going to need some means for all clients to sync.  An IMAP server does
precisely that.

> The  use of Key Exchange for the data replication suggests a way of
> safely internally exchanging the replicated data.
> Most of the engine to use it is already in Thunderbird.
> Please see
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/digitally-signing-and-encrypting-messages
>
>
> Why are they not applicable "serverless mail synchronization of local
> mail stores"?

Key exchange is simply a method of exchanging encryption keys.  I
mentioned this earlier in the context of directory servers.  However
those are not the same as syncing email over multiple devices and,
again, key exchange requires a server.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 12:06 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> IMAP is a security risk that increases the attack surface area. YaHoo, 
>> > should I say more.
> No, you really shouldn't, because you obviously don't know what you're
> talking about.
>
> The only thing IMAP *might* have in common with Yahoo is that Yahoo
> *may* support the protocol (whether or not it does, and if so how well,
> is another question that I have zero interest in, because anyone who
> uses it for email is someone who doesn't have a clue).

Yahoo has supported IMAP for a few years now.  Of course they're not the
only IMAP provider. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 11:32 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
> IMAP is a pre-existing condition.
>
> The ability for POP clients to keep all of their shared clients
> current is a glaring omission that should be rectified.
> I regret not having the ability to do this myself.

I guess you don't know much about the history of email.  Originally,
people read their email on the computer it was delivered to.  Then POP
allowed them to download to another computer, such as those new fangled
"PCs".  POP was never intended to be used by more than one device. 
Simply leaving a message on the server for a period of time, so that it
could be read on another device, was nothing more than a hack to get
around the limitations of POP.  What you're asking for is a complete
redesign of POP and you still won't have what IMAP is designed to do. 
Also, how is IMAP a security problem, given that the entire Internet is
not secure and mail servers are finally moving to StartTSL to encrypt
between servers.  I run my own IMAP server and access it only via SSL/TLS

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Tanstaafl]

On 3/2/2016 4:00 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:
> On 3/2/2016 2:17 PM, toki wrote:
>> Can you please rephrase that.
>> If you literally mean what you wrote, then please study both the POP and
>> IMAP protocol specifications, before making any suggestions as to what
>> should be considered for either an email host, or an email client.

> If LibreOffice where to involve itself with Thunderbird, It should meet 
> the standard.
> That is to say that if used on its own, it meets the standard of 
> POP...But with LibreOffice, it can do much more.

Paul, would you please just stop talking about a subject about which you
obviously know LESS than nothing?

You're giving me a headache from so much laughing.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

On 3/2/2016 2:17 PM, toki wrote:

On 02/03/2016 16:32, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:


The ability for POP clients to keep all of their shared clients current is a 
glaring omission that should be rectified.

Can you please rephrase that.
If you literally mean what you wrote, then please study both the POP and
IMAP protocol specifications, before making any suggestions as to what
should be considered for either an email host, or an email client.
If LibreOffice where to involve itself with Thunderbird, It should meet 
the standard.
That is to say that if used on its own, it meets the standard of 
POP...But with LibreOffice, it can do much more.



IMAP is a security risk that increases the attack surface area.

As far as security, both IMAP and POP are security risks. They are
solutions to different threat models.

jonathon

As true a statement as can written or read.

Thanks
Paul


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

What relates
Thunderbird is a database of information.  The fact that there is no 
data replication built in is not the inhibiting factor to doing so.


I have underlined the pertinent words from a quoted definition from the 
previously mentioned URL.


http://searchsqlserver.techtarget.com/definition/database-replication

*Database replication* is the frequent electronic copying data _from a 
__*database*__in __one computer__or server__to a __*database*__in 
another__so that all users share the same level of information._ The 
result is a distributed *database* in which users can access data 
relevant to their tasks without interfering with the work of others.

I believe it says "computer or server" not just server.

*Pretty Good Privacy* (*PGP*) is a data encryption 
 and decryption 
computer program  that 
provides cryptographic  
privacy  and authentication 
 for data communication. 
PGP is often used for signing, encrypting, and decrypting 
 texts, e-mails, files, 
directories, and whole disk partitions and to increase the security of 
e-mail communications.

Quoted from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy

The  use of Key Exchange for the data replication suggests a way of 
safely internally exchanging the replicated data.

Most of the engine to use it is already in Thunderbird.
Please see 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/digitally-signing-and-encrypting-messages


Why are they not applicable "serverless mail synchronization of local 
mail stores"?




On 3/2/2016 2:45 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

Neither of which relate to serverless mail synchronization of local mail
stores.

On 3/2/2016 1:17 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:

Ok, I don't know what Data Replication is.
Please see
http://searchsqlserver.techtarget.com/definition/database-replication




I don't know what Key Exchange is.
Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U62S8SchxX4

But I think somebody does.





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice 4.3 License

[Regina Henschel]

Hi Dais,

you have downloaded a package and inside the package there should be a 
file LICENSE.html for the license of LibreOffice and a file NOTICE 
(actually plain text) for the integrated foreign work.


The package has a folder readmes with installation instructions.

Kind regards
Regina


Dais Kochery schrieb:

Hi,

We are using libreoffice (version 4.3) library in our code.
we are using it to convert .XLS to .CSV

But, we does not have the license for it.

Could you please provide the license file and steps to install it in UNIX
server.

Could you also provide your contact number.

Thanks,
Dais Kochery
7723329590




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Tanstaafl]

Neither of which relate to serverless mail synchronization of local mail
stores.

On 3/2/2016 1:17 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:
> Ok, I don't know what Data Replication is.
> Please see 
> http://searchsqlserver.techtarget.com/definition/database-replication
> 
> I don't know what Key Exchange is.
> Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U62S8SchxX4
> 
> But I think somebody does.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice 4.3 License

[toki]

On 02/03/2016 18:14, Dais Kochery wrote:

> Could you please provide the license file and steps to install it in UNIX 
> server.

The license for LibreOffice can be found at
https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/licenses/.

> Could you also provide your contact number.

A list of certified developers for LibreOffice can be found at
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/.

A list of individuals and organizations that provide support for Apache
OpenOffice can be found at
https://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html.

I do not know the current rates, nor how it is calculated, or
determined, of any of those firms, or individuals.

In years past, the most common models for charging clients were:
* Flat rate;
* Specific currency amount per unit of time;
* Per incident;
with different rates being charged, depending upon which tier the
requested service fell into.

jonathon



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Database help please

[Kolbjørn Stuestøl]

I don't know if it works in your case, but perhaps using A01, A02 … A10 
will give the right order?

Kolbjørn

Den 02.03.2016 20:07, John Montgomery skreiv:

Dear Sirs,
I am trying to assemble a simple graveyard database but am having
difficulty in getting the form to work as I want.
I have tried to use parts of the "Search and Filter" database but end up
confused. I have also read relevent parts of the Base manual.
I have two forms, Graves and Burials, the Graves form covers ownership and
registration of a grave and includes a photograph of any headstone which
may be on site.
The burials form is mainly for burial record keeping.
The reason I have decided on two forms is that it allows me to see all the
relavent data in one screen.
Some specification criteria:-
In both the "Graves" and "Burials" forms Plot No., Headstone and owner are
to be common.
Plot number is the primary key and therefore cannot be duplicated for
obvious reasons.
The graveyard is laid out in rows eg A to Z. Each grave in each row is
given a number in sequence, eg A1, A2, A3 etc.
My problem arises when I enter double numbers eg A11, A20 etc, these should
follow in sequence but do not follow the sequence I want but A10 follows A1
etc.
How can I ensure correct sequencing.

John




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[toki]

On 02/03/2016 16:32, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:

> The ability for POP clients to keep all of their shared clients current is a 
> glaring omission that should be rectified.

Can you please rephrase that.
If you literally mean what you wrote, then please study both the POP and
IMAP protocol specifications, before making any suggestions as to what
should be considered for either an email host, or an email client.

> IMAP is a security risk that increases the attack surface area.

As far as security, both IMAP and POP are security risks. They are
solutions to different threat models.

jonathon

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[libreoffice-users] Libreoffice 4.3 License

[Dais Kochery]

Hi,

We are using libreoffice (version 4.3) library in our code.
we are using it to convert .XLS to .CSV

But, we does not have the license for it.

Could you please provide the license file and steps to install it in UNIX 
server.

Could you also provide your contact number.

Thanks,
Dais Kochery
7723329590
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[libreoffice-users] "Designing with LibreOffice" interview

[Bruce Byfield]

In case anyone is interest:

Paul Brown at Open Content and Software has interviewed me on my forthcoming 
book, "Designing with LibreOffice":

http://www.ocsmag.com/2016/03/01/bruce-byfield-interview-designing-with-libreoffice/

-- 
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[libreoffice-users] Database help please

[John Montgomery]

Dear Sirs,
I am trying to assemble a simple graveyard database but am having
difficulty in getting the form to work as I want.
I have tried to use parts of the "Search and Filter" database but end up
confused. I have also read relevent parts of the Base manual.
I have two forms, Graves and Burials, the Graves form covers ownership and
registration of a grave and includes a photograph of any headstone which
may be on site.
The burials form is mainly for burial record keeping.
The reason I have decided on two forms is that it allows me to see all the
relavent data in one screen.
Some specification criteria:-
In both the "Graves" and "Burials" forms Plot No., Headstone and owner are
to be common.
Plot number is the primary key and therefore cannot be duplicated for
obvious reasons.
The graveyard is laid out in rows eg A to Z. Each grave in each row is
given a number in sequence, eg A1, A2, A3 etc.
My problem arises when I enter double numbers eg A11, A20 etc, these should
follow in sequence but do not follow the sequence I want but A10 follows A1
etc.
How can I ensure correct sequencing.

John

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

Ok, I don't know what Data Replication is.
Please see 
http://searchsqlserver.techtarget.com/definition/database-replication


I don't know what Key Exchange is.
Please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U62S8SchxX4

But I think somebody does.

On 3/2/2016 12:06 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 3/2/2016 11:32 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:

We're talking POP and Thunderbird.

And like I said, POP simply isn't designed for such usage.


IMAP is a pre-existing condition.

No idea what you mean by that.


The ability for POP clients to keep all of their shared clients current
is a glaring omission that should be rectified.

It was, a very long time ago. The rectification is called:

IMAP.


IMAP is a security risk that increases the attack surface area. YaHoo,
should I say more.

No, you really shouldn't, because you obviously don't know what you're
talking about.

The only thing IMAP *might* have in common with Yahoo is that Yahoo
*may* support the protocol (whether or not it does, and if so how well,
is another question that I have zero interest in, because anyone who
uses it for email is someone who doesn't have a clue).




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RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Issues Converting to PDF

[Rufus Reynolds, III]

Thank you for the information. We will look into running some tests under
4.4.7.2 to see if we get the same results.

We are running under Red Hat version 6.7.

-Original Message-
From: Pedro [mailto:pedl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 10:33 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Issues Converting to PDF

Rufus Reynolds, III wrote
> We're using LibreOffice 4.4.1 on a project for DISA and have several 
> cases where Microsoft Office documents take a very long time to 
> convert to PDF, and sometimes actually crash the service. We are running
in headless mode.

Is there any reason why you are not using the final version in the 4.4
branch (4.4.7.2)?
Maybe the problem is already fixed...


Rufus Reynolds, III wrote
> Is there any other information we can share to help? Can I attach the 
> example document to an email to this list?

 
Under which OS (version and architecture) are you having these problems?

You can not attach files to the emails but you can add them to the Nabble
interface to the mailing list
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Issues-Converting-to-PDF-tp4177197.html
Alternatively you can post a link to some ftp server or file sharing host.

Please remember that branch 4.4 has been EOLed on December 31, 2015 so any
fixes will not be incorporated into that branch



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Tanstaafl]

On 3/2/2016 11:32 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:
> We're talking POP and Thunderbird.

And like I said, POP simply isn't designed for such usage.

> IMAP is a pre-existing condition.

No idea what you mean by that.

> The ability for POP clients to keep all of their shared clients current 
> is a glaring omission that should be rectified.

It was, a very long time ago. The rectification is called:

IMAP.

> IMAP is a security risk that increases the attack surface area. YaHoo, 
> should I say more.

No, you really shouldn't, because you obviously don't know what you're
talking about.

The only thing IMAP *might* have in common with Yahoo is that Yahoo
*may* support the protocol (whether or not it does, and if so how well,
is another question that I have zero interest in, because anyone who
uses it for email is someone who doesn't have a clue).

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[Paul D. Mirowsky]

We're talking POP and Thunderbird.

IMAP is a pre-existing condition.

The ability for POP clients to keep all of their shared clients current 
is a glaring omission that should be rectified.

I regret not having the ability to do this myself.

IMAP is a security risk that increases the attack surface area. YaHoo, 
should I say more.


The only rational solution is to get in the boat to make sure the earth 
isn't flat.


When we engage in conversation, we are working together to find an 
answer, even if they are different questions. We are stepping into the boat.


I hope we've inspired someone who is capable of doing this to begin 
their journey.


Thank you Tanstaafl


On 2/29/2016 10:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

Oh - not to mention that it doesn't even accomplish the goal.

What about all of the email prior to adding 'Thunderbird 3' to the mix?
Or your new phone?

As I said, IMAP is the only sane, rational solution.

On 2/29/2016 10:23 PM, Tanstaafl  wrote:

Possible? Sure, anything is possible, but this is way too breakable to
even give serious consideration to.

On 2/29/2016 3:10 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky  wrote:

Each e-mail address has its own "STATUS" file.
"STATUS" file e-mails are not deletable from the POP mail server unless
specifically commanded to delete them within Thunderbird via a separate
command
   or when all "STATUS" files are duplicated based on time stamp.
"STATUS" files are based on changes and store individual e-mails and/or
their marking (New, Deleted, Un-read)
The frequency of generating time stamped "STATUS" files is based on file
size of STATUS file.
"STATUS" file e-mail may only be transmitted with PGP or some form of
encryption.
"STATUS" files are created chronologically, each access adds to the
stack to be sent between Thunderbird 1, 2, 3...N
The checking of "STATUS" file happens within Thunderbird


Thunderbird 1<---> POP mail server <--> Thunderbird 2

Thunderbird 1 receives e-mail < -- POP mail server

Thunderbird 1 creates "STATUS" file based on changes (New, Deleted, Un-read)

Thunderbird 1 sends "STATUS" file via e-mail in PGP encrypted file --->
POP mail server

POP mail server --> Thunderbird 2 receives e-mail including PGP
encrypted "STATUS" file

Thunderbird 2 says "You have received a "STATUS", Processing "STATUS"
file now.

Thunderbird 3 added and receives "STATUS" file e-mail < -- POP mail server

Thunderbird 3says "You have received a "STATUS", Processing "STATUS"
file now.

Thunderbird 3 sends "STATUS" file via e-mail in PGP encrypted file --->
POP mail server

I didn't say it was easy, but it is possible.
Think of it as a very unique and fancy Message filter.





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[libreoffice-users] Re: Issues Converting to PDF

[Pedro]

Rufus Reynolds, III wrote
> We're using LibreOffice 4.4.1 on a project for DISA and have several cases
> where Microsoft Office documents take a very long time to convert to PDF,
> and sometimes actually crash the service. We are running in headless mode.

Is there any reason why you are not using the final version in the 4.4
branch (4.4.7.2)?
Maybe the problem is already fixed...


Rufus Reynolds, III wrote
> Is there any other information we can share to help? Can I attach the
> example document to an email to this list?

 
Under which OS (version and architecture) are you having these problems?

You can not attach files to the emails but you can add them to the Nabble
interface to the mailing list
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Issues-Converting-to-PDF-tp4177197.html
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[libreoffice-users] Issues Converting to PDF

[Rufus Reynolds, III]

We're using LibreOffice 4.4.1 on a project for DISA and have several cases
where Microsoft Office documents take a very long time to convert to PDF,
and sometimes actually crash the service. We are running in headless mode.
Most of the documents are PPT or PPTX.

 

We've been given permission to share an example case in hopes that the
community can help us identify what is causing these delays or crashes so we
can better instruct our users.

 

Is there any other information we can share to help? Can I attach the
example document to an email to this list?

 

Thank you.

 

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[libreoffice-users] Slideshow article about LO 5.1

[Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster]

I do not know if anyone has seen this, but here is a link to the 
article/slide-show about LO 5.1


LibreOffice 5.1 Offers Reorganized User Interface for Its Apps
By Sean M. Kerner  |  Posted 2016-02-16

http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/slideshows/libreoffice-5.1-offers-reorganized-user-interface-for-its-apps.html

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