Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid
On 16/02/2024 07:23, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Mike, Snap-to-grid doesn't seem to do a lot - but as the grid size isn't changeable, it would not be a whole lot of help. I'm creating very much forms for databases (also for other people). I'm using grid only. Helps me very much. Points of the grid are small - right. But grid size could be changed to every distance I need. Thanks for the reply. I've had another look at this. The grid spacing options are in the main 'Options' menu, although the forms stuff has a local facility to turn off grid. I still find the grid unusably faint though, even with a colour change. It must be an optical illusion, but the grid seems fainter the more I expand the screen image to get better accuracy. It seems quite dark with small scales, all but invisible at expanded scales. The other issue is that, yes, it does snap horizontally to the grid. Vertically however it seems to snap to positions between the grid points, taking two unequal steps to move between snap locations. Most odd. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid
On 11/02/2024 18:25, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Mike, you could set something for the grid in Tools → Options → LibreOffice Writer → Grid Subdivisin will set more ore less grid points between the main points. You could set the color for the grid in Tools → Options → LibreOffice → Application Colors → Writer → Grid but the problem will be: the grid points are only one pixel. You could use helplines while moving a control: View → Grid and Helplines → Helplines while moving Regards Robert Thanks for the input. I've tried changing the colour, which helps a little. But the dots are still unusably faint I'm afraid. Oddly they're actually quite visible when the image is scaled down - but the more I magnify to allow more accurate positioning the fainter they appear. Snap-to-grid doesn't seem to do a lot - but as the grid size isn't changeable, it would not be a whole lot of help. The helplines do help to get rough alignment. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] Writer form design grid
Hi all. I've tried turning on the grid for form design in Writer. There are some dots there, but so faint as to be virtually invisible. It's quite unusable. Is there a way of making them more visible, and even of changing the spacing please? I hope I've just missed something obvious! Thanks. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] pdf forms (OT?)
On 09/02/2024 08:17, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Mike, It still leaves the question of how to extract the data from the completed form. Perhaps I've not hit the right keyword, but I've found /nothing/ on the net. Surely if there's a way of filling in a form, there's one of reading it!! I have tested (for German Base Handbuch) https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/ Works with Linux this way: for i in *.pdf ; do pdftk "$i" dump_data_fields_utf8 >> auswertung.txt ; done ... Many thanks, that will work nicely. The output looks very easily parseable by perl, ready to make a sql database. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] pdf forms (OT?)
On 08/02/2024 18:14, Fred James wrote: Mike Scott wrote: Hi all. I've just been looking at making pdf forms with Writer. Easier than I'd thought. I've been able to create a sample form with text fields and open this with xreader, evince or firefox. Firefox is able to display, edit and save a form whatever the content. However, evince and xreader refuse to even show data for radio buttons or a checkbox control and will not alter the settings. Similarly, pdftotext does not print the setting of such a control. .. Oh, and is there any known way (CLI) of extracting the data fields from a pdf form? pdftotext seems rather ham-fisted: surely there's something better! Apologies if this is too far OT; but any advice would be helpful, thanks. Mike Scott Sorry ... not much experienece with LO pdf forms, or LO forms in general, but should very much like to know how your forms might function under Okular. I am willing to try testing that for you, if you could send one of your forms to me attached to an email, but if you have access to Okular, your results would do as well. Thanks for replying and for the offer. I've now installed Okular, and it does (once forms are enabled) allow editing and saving of the form. Presumably, evince and xreader are both buggy. As well as my own efforts to see how things tick, I've also used the examples at the foot of this useful instructional page: <https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/02/how-to-create-fillable-pdf-forms-with.html> It still leaves the question of how to extract the data from the completed form. Perhaps I've not hit the right keyword, but I've found /nothing/ on the net. Surely if there's a way of filling in a form, there's one of reading it!! -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] pdf forms (OT?)
Hi all. I've just been looking at making pdf forms with Writer. Easier than I'd thought. I've been able to create a sample form with text fields and open this with xreader, evince or firefox. Firefox is able to display, edit and save a form whatever the content. However, evince and xreader refuse to even show data for radio buttons or a checkbox control and will not alter the settings. Similarly, pdftotext does not print the setting of such a control. I'm not sure this is strictly an LO issue, but has anyone met similar problems with LO-produced forms? I'm working on Mint 21.2 (LO 7.3.7.2), but will need the resulting pdf's to be usable by Windows users too. Oh, and is there any known way (CLI) of extracting the data fields from a pdf form? pdftotext seems rather ham-fisted: surely there's something better! Apologies if this is too far OT; but any advice would be helpful, thanks. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] font gone AWOL
On 29/09/2023 09:43, Mike Scott wrote: Hi all. I'm sure I've missed something obvious here, but LO doesn't pick up a font that looks as though it's known to the system. This is on linux Mint 21, LO 7.3.7.2 from the repo. The font file is my own creation and of somewhat venerable antiquity (25 years! how time flies!!). The file is MIKE_H.TTF, and lives in ~/.fonts; the font name is "MikesHandwriting". The system's font management software tells me it's installed (code points U+0021 to U+00BE with gaps, then some outliers); the system text editor can see it. Yet LO writer does not show it. Turns out LO has got a wrong font name from somewhere. The font is simply called 'New' in the LO drop-down menu. OTOH, Character Map shows the font OK, and shows the correct name, as does Font Viewer. Hmmm. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] font gone AWOL
Hi all. I'm sure I've missed something obvious here, but LO doesn't pick up a font that looks as though it's known to the system. This is on linux Mint 21, LO 7.3.7.2 from the repo. The font file is my own creation and of somewhat venerable antiquity (25 years! how time flies!!). The file is MIKE_H.TTF, and lives in ~/.fonts; the font name is "MikesHandwriting". The system's font management software tells me it's installed (code points U+0021 to U+00BE with gaps, then some outliers); the system text editor can see it. Yet LO writer does not show it. I've not tried to use it for years, but I'm (almost!) sure it used to be available. Any thoughts please? Thanks. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: (unresolved) Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 14/08/2023 12:11, Mike Scott wrote: On 12/08/2023 19:19, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi, you could file a bug and post the number here. 156765 . And there it has sat for 10 days, and remains unassigned and un-updated. Oh well. Nice idea though. What's the usual timescale for someone to at least say it's not going to be addressed? -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: (unresolved) Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 12/08/2023 19:19, Steve Edmonds wrote: Hi, you could file a bug and post the number here. 156765 (If I've steered through bugzilla correctly!) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
(unresolved) Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
OK, I see this thread's died out, so I assume there's no-one with a magical cure. I guess I'll have to persuade my wife that LO's own dialogue's are the way to go, although I confess I dislike them myself intensely. It won't put me off LO :-} But thanks to all for commenting. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 01/08/2023 20:33, Steve Edmonds wrote: I posed a question a few weeks ago about "Save As" not having a suggested file name in the "Name" field, I had no replies possibly because no one else saw this incorrect behaviour. I see issues in KDE Dolphin, are you seeing the issues in MATE Caja. Has the issue been observed in Gnome Nautilus. I've just tried running this on my headless freebsd server, with the X11 output on my Mint desktop. I've no idea what sort of environment that offers the application on the server. I can say the dialogue boxes shown for failing-on-mint and working-on-mint files are fine: very akin to the LO style, and show (with a brief test) no issues at all. And a further test on Raspberry Pi OS(*) with the same files shows much the same style of dialogue box as freebsd, again without obvious issues. But as the problems seem to pop up rather randomly, those comments may be mis-leading. (*) Pi4: surprisingly snappy in use! I've not tried it before. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 01/08/2023 10:32, Steve Edmonds wrote: Are the goings on with LO 7.5.5.2 from the LO website using the OS native file dialogue and the goings on stop when using the LO file dialogue. If so it would point to a bug in LO. OS native fails; AFAICT the LO-peculiar dialogues work OK. Does look like an LO issue; but how come lots of others aren't seeing the same, and how come it's so seemingly random? (Not that I'm changing which I use: sorry, but the LO dialogue boxes I find confusingly different.) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 01/08/2023 00:53, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote: sudo dpkg -iR /Downloads/ I don't see that as any harder than using the system package manager and repositories. Hmmm. My reply from an hour or so ago doesn't seem to have made it through the list. But it's superseded anyway. I've pulled out a spare machine and checked that it too was failing (LO 7.3.5.2 from the ub repo running on Mint Mate 21) I've installed LO 7.5.5.2 from the LO website, which to my relief installed alongside the older version. 7.5.5.2 shows exactly the same symptoms. So whatever is going on is nothing to do with the ubuntu packaging. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 30/07/2023 21:17, Steve Edmonds wrote: . I just switched from the KDE file manager (Dolphin) to the LO file load/save dialogues, there is definitely an issue with LO when using Dolphin that is not evident with other apps using Dolphin. Philip, are you using LO from their site or an Ubuntu packaged version. Mike, you say both machines are Mint, MATE or Xfce? Did you install from a PPA or the LO website. Mint Mate; versions 21 and (iirc) 20.2 on the lappy. LO is installed from the relevant ubuntu PPA. This machine (mint 21) says (synaptic) 1:7.3.7-0ubuntu0.22.0.4.3, but I think the other machine is on LO 6.something (IMBW) from the ub PPA. They have the same issue. I do find the unpredictability rather concerning. I've just had to hunt for a "failing" file, but did find one. 'Save As' consistently (well, for the moment anyway!) adds the file extension in the dialogue. I switched to LO style dialogue boxes, and they behave as expected (file name given, no extension) - switching back to system style dialogues restores the wrong behaviour. BTW, of two files -- an original plus a copy made with Caja (^C and ^V) -- they consistently (for now) behave in the two different ways. Thanks all for more comments. I hesitate to raise a bug report over this; for one thing the LO web bug page I found last time pretty incomprehensible, but for another it's really not repeatable enough. I'm not really sure where to go from here. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 25/07/2023 21:17, Steve Edmonds wrote: On 25/07/2023 22:17, Mike Scott wrote: On 24/07/2023 17:39, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote: Just out of curiosity, at any time did you receive a "Confirm File Format" window and unchecked the "Ask when not saving in ODF or default format" dialog? An error in this function might react oddly, even though unlikely. The "Confirm File Format" window only (and always) pops up when a non-odf format is picked from the drop-down box in the 'Save As' dialogue. "Ask when not saving in ODF..." is set in the LO options and re-appears (set) in the "Confirm format" window. The odd thing today is that on this machine at least, I can't provoke the erroneous behaviour... I must have just clicked "Save As" 30 or more times, and all works perfectly. Would fail regularly when I last posted. The machine has just been rebooted though... surely that can't affect things! Thanks to you and to all for comments. Yesterday I observed the behaviour you described, just once, first time in a few years since the bug saving with file names containing multiple '.'s (i.e. API12.578.PT100SB.odt) was fixed. This time also I had a file name suggested in the "Save As" Name field, no extension showing, file type .odt selected and LO saved the file without any extension. I couldn't repeat it. I have no idea what logic is involved. Hmm the gremlins persist - my last email seems not to have made it to the list. First, in answer to a query, the dialogue box style is set to system not LO's own. But as, today, I can't provoke the behaviour at all, I can't say whether the choice of style affects matters. And the text of my last email, telling of a very odd thing, was as follows (apologies if anyone's already seen this): === Thanks for the comment; similar I guess. The craziest thing today though. Having tried and failed to make my desktop fail again, I've just tried my rather slower laptop. The dialogue box briefly flashed up something I couldn't make out, so I set a screen recorder running. Serious weirdness is evident. When I do the 'Save As', the dialogue box comes up. At one point as I step through frame-by-frame, the main area (the panel with a list of file names on disk) is empty, and the save as file name box at the top contains the highlighted file name, no type. At the next frame, the main area is populated, and the filename box now contains the name plus highlighted type - which is the bad behaviour I have noted. I should add, it took a couple of tries to get it to happen. I can't imagine what's going on internally to do this. And seemingly randomly at that. Maybe the gremlins are getting restless? :} === -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 24/07/2023 17:39, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote: Just out of curiosity, at any time did you receive a "Confirm File Format" window and unchecked the "Ask when not saving in ODF or default format" dialog? An error in this function might react oddly, even though unlikely. The "Confirm File Format" window only (and always) pops up when a non-odf format is picked from the drop-down box in the 'Save As' dialogue. "Ask when not saving in ODF..." is set in the LO options and re-appears (set) in the "Confirm format" window. The odd thing today is that on this machine at least, I can't provoke the erroneous behaviour... I must have just clicked "Save As" 30 or more times, and all works perfectly. Would fail regularly when I last posted. The machine has just been rebooted though... surely that can't affect things! Thanks to you and to all for comments. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 22/07/2023 19:03, Steve Edmonds wrote: I have just opened an older file, sometimes the file Name field is not blank when I "Save As" with older files until I edit and re-save. This time the full name with extension does show. If I open Writer to an Untitled document and "Save As" the Name field is pre-filled with "Untitled" (no extension). In Tools>Options>LO>General there is an option Open/Save Dialogues, I don't know if this setting would affect Mike's result. I don't think so. I've just been playing again with the problem. First up, I deleted ~/.config/libreoffice/ to try to get a clean(er) start. (Not that this seems to have affected anything.) There's a file JUNK.odt in my home directory, and which behaviour I get actually seems to vary randomly. I've tried even opening this document just the once and doing repeated 'Save As' + Cancel, and the behaviour occasionally changes from one to the other, sticking there for a while before switching back. Sometimes the 'Name' box in the dialogue says "JUNK.odt" [with the odt selected) and sometimes just "JUNK" [selected]. Checking on my laptop, which seems to be running an older version 6.something (I think it's runnjing the previous Mint version), the same sort of behaviour is observable. This is seriously weird, and very confusing for my wife, who regularly needs to send out .docx files to her contacts; in the mode where "JUNK.odt" is the style, she has to manually change the odt to docx, which should not be necessary. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
On 20/07/2023 00:14, Steve Edmonds wrote:
Does this still happen if you update to LO7.4?
If I open yyy.odt, and click 'Save As' the field "Name" for file name
is always blank.
On 19/07/2023 05:38, Philip Jackson wrote:
Hi :
I'm using 7.3.7.2 on UbuntuStudio and I'm always using 'save as' but
I've never had the problem you describe. Sorry.
Philip
On 18/07/2023 16:13, Mike Scott wrote:
Hi all; a very weird issue has been found by my wife, which I can
repeat on a separate machine. Both use LO 7.3.7.2 on Mint 21.
What happens is this. Take an odt file, open it in Writer then go to
'Save As'. The expected behaviour is that the filename in the
dialogue box will be filled in and selected/highlighted and there'll
be no file type appended. Eg, I open yyy.odt, and 'Save As' displays
just 'yyy' (highlighted).
However, sometimes and for no apparent reason, the dialogue box
instead displays filename and file type ('yyy.odt'), with the type
(only) highlighted. This causes issues when trying to save as a
different type (eg as .docx)
(TLDR: open question at end! The details of my testing results are too
long; sorry.)
Thanks all for comments, including one off-list. Ap[ologies for not
getting back sooner - family matters intervened.
To clarify, my made-up name yyy.odt was (previously) by way of
indicating what happens, not that that was the literal file causing
problems. Apologies for any mis-direction.
I'm still none the wiser as to what's happening. I've just checked again
the environment for the files. I have a file in a directory /dhome/mike,
and an identical copy (^C ^V in a file manager) in /dhome/mike/temp of a
file called
Saturday song sheet.odt
(yes - there are two spaces together there, but that's not the issue)
I close LO. Double-click on the one in the temp directory, head for
File|Save As. The filename is filled in
Saturday song sheet
and selected. No file type.
So, I close LO. Double-click on the one in the higher directory; again
File|Save As. This time, the file name and type appear;
Saturday song sheet.odt
the /type/ alone is selected.
I cannot for the life of me understand why the behaviour in the two
cases should be different.
To add to my confusion, I've just tried the following sequence of
operations, starting with the "failing" file in /dhome/mike:
make a copy and change name:
cp Saturday\ \ song\ sheet.odt yyy.odt
open yyy.odt and see that Save As prefills the file name box as
"yyy.odt" with the odt selected.
Rename and do the same again:
mv yyy.odt yy.odt
Same issue - Save As shows the name and type.
Finally, do it again:
mv yy.odt y.odt
But now y.odt opens the same, but Save As simply shows a highlighted "y"
in the file name box.
Oh, and if I rename y.odt back to yy.odt, the problem comes back. And,
if I copy yy.odt (fails) to my temp directory, all is well with the copy.
The thing is, when trying to save as .doc having the file type pre-set
in the box causes a problem - LO will try to save a .doc (or whatever)
as the type shown, and it needs manually changing. That's hazardous for
someone like my wife, and can potentially lose the original .odt file.
I've just tried a similar sequence with the same file in my "real" home
directory (/home/mike) with identical results.
**?
Does LO perhaps treat "top-level" directories in some way specially? My
current guess is that multi-character file names in a "top-level"
directory are treated differently from others. That would be very odd
though, so IMBW!
Thanks for reading. I find this sort of problem hard to describe
concisely. Am I missing something obvious?
--
Mike Scott
Harlow, Essex, England
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[libreoffice-users] weirdness in save dialogue box
Hi all; a very weird issue has been found by my wife, which I can repeat
on a separate machine. Both use LO 7.3.7.2 on Mint 21.
What happens is this. Take an odt file, open it in Writer then go to
'Save As'. The expected behaviour is that the filename in the dialogue
box will be filled in and selected/highlighted and there'll be no file
type appended. Eg, I open yyy.odt, and 'Save As' displays just 'yyy'
(highlighted).
However, sometimes and for no apparent reason, the dialogue box instead
displays filename and file type ('yyy.odt'), with the type (only)
highlighted. This causes issues when trying to save as a different type
(eg as .docx)
Even more odd is that simply copying (^C, ^V in a file manager) a
wrongly-behaving file to a different directory can change the behaviour.
I wondered if my wife had managed to include some weird character, but
the filename /looks/ kosher: 'ls -1 | od -cb' shows nothing untoward.
And indeed, one or two of my own files show the same behaviour. (I
rarely use 'Save As' anyway.)
I'm at a bit of a loss about where to check next. Has anyone else
experienced this please and can say what's happening?
TIA.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Image Anchor Selection
On 07/06/2023 22:28, Joe Conner wrote: On 6/7/23 14:22, W. Robert J. Funnell, Prof. wrote: Joe - It may be worth reading the thread at https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/problem-with-anchor-picture-in-all-page/61556/6, perhaps especially the last message, by mikekaganski. As I understand it, the 'Anchor to page' feature is still available but has been made somewhat harder to get at because its use has caused a lot of confusion. - Robert Excellent article. Thank you. Joe A thought in passing - it would seem the OP's issue is that the UI has changed, but he had no (ready) way of knowing in what way. In this case a context menu item has been moved to the depths of a dialogue box. Might it be a good idea, when this is done, to leave the original menu entry in place, but have it just show an information box saying where the item can be found and maybe give a pointer to [a web page with] some hints on the matter? And leave that in place for several releases. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Badly formatted document
On 04/07/2022 17:59, Ian Bertram wrote:
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I have been sent a graphic heavy document in ODT format. However it looks as if
it has been badly converted from a pdf file. The layout is scrambled, headers
don’t align properly and there are a host of other issues. It is also in
columns. Is there a simple way to strip out everything bar the words? I have
tried saving it as a txt file, but this loses a lot of the paragraph numbering
and introduces other layout issues. Saving in rtf format is even worse.
You might try this.
Open the odt with an archive manager - it's just a zip file. Extract
content.xml, then run this perl program, which will extract the text
from that:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use warnings;
use XML::LibXML;
my $filename = 'content.xml';
binmode(STDOUT, ":utf8");
binmode(STDERR, ":utf8");
my $dom = XML::LibXML->load_xml(location => $filename) or die "open?\n";
foreach my $para
($dom->findnodes('/office:document-content/office:body/office:text/text:p'))
{
my $b = $para->to_literal;
print $b, "\n";
}
Works for me but YMMV. BEWARE email line wrap in the 'foreach' line. The
single line should say foreach ... p')) {
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Re: [libreoffice-users] odt to text keeping formatting?
On 02/05/2022 15:33, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2022 14:47:39 +0100 Mike Scott wrote: Hello Mike, Save as text file produces something left-aligned - presumably because the indents seem to be a result of left-margin settings I see. My indents were as a result of tabs, so that would probably account for the difference. Nothing's ever easy. :-( Nope,that's too often true. I've just worked through 500 pages of lyrics manually marking the choruses. Surprisingly fast, in fact. Basic problem solved, but it would be good to know for the future. Thanks. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] odt to text keeping formatting?
On 02/05/2022 11:54, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 2 May 2022 11:38:29 +0100 Mike Scott wrote: Hello Mike, Is there any way of converting to a plain text file while keeping some semblance of the layout please? odt2txt extracts the text, but of course loses the indentation. Simply using "Save As...", then selecting TXT type works, IME. You'll get a warning about losing formatting, but indents are preserved. Of course, any bold, italics, super/subscript and underline, etc. will be lost. Thanks for the reply; but that's not what I get. Save as text file produces something left-aligned - presumably because the indents seem to be a result of left-margin settings in the paragraph styles. I was hoping odt2txt would fare better, but no. The original is actually a .docx file; there's no overall common styling in the document to hunt for in the xml part of the odt file. I've also looked at going via pdf and pdftotxt (gets garbage), and installing a pseudo line printer (can't figure out how to save-to-file). CUPS's own print-to-file creates postscript, which isn't useful in this context. LO 6.4.7.2 on linux mint, btw. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] odt to text keeping formatting?
Hi all; I've an odt file of song words, nicely laid out using paragraph styles to provide indents for choruses. Is there any way of converting to a plain text file while keeping some semblance of the layout please? odt2txt extracts the text, but of course loses the indentation. Thanks. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
(resolved) Re: [libreoffice-users] libreoffice grabs network port
On 22/04/2022 15:38, Dave Howorth wrote: What investigation have you done? Why do you think the problem is with LO rather than with mojolicious or somewhere in between? Also, what is runcmd()? Sorry, should have said it's a wrapper for perl's open3() (itself a wrapper for system() ) which runs the given command. But see below. . Steps I would be thinking of trying: (1) add debugging prints to the mojolicious code so you can see exactly what arguments are passed on each occasion (2) for some case where the problem occurs run LO directly from the command line with the same arguments and see if the problem occurs Thanks for the reply. I've been banging my head against a wall, because all of mojolicious, perl's IPC and LO are to varying degrees unfamiliar. I certainly mis-understood what I was seeing, processes running LO and with the web network port listening: it's actually correct and harmless. The problem is now resolved, and at the root was related to running the program detached as a daemon. I had a web server running LO internally, which ran correctly from a terminal; ran correctly when detached with magic using () and shell redirects; but which failed when run "properly" with freebsd's 'daemon' command. Obvious in hindsight, the issue was that the daemon, running as user www, didn't have access to a writeable home directory, so LO couldn't run because it needs a rather large file tree there. That was compounded with my misunderstanding of perl's open3() error handling. I'm now using the -env:UserInstallation=XX option to give LO a temporary place to put its bits and bobs, and all - finally - seems to function. At least, LO runs and does the conversions. I do wonder why there's an oosplash process started when I'm using --nologo and --headless though! It also creates more soffice.bin processes than I'd expect, but they seem to tidy themselves away eventually. I'm not sure why I had so much trouble here, compared to a couple of years ago, when I was running LO from apache/php without particular bother. All's well that end's well, I guess. Mojolicious has a steep learning curve, but is much easier and cleaner to use than php for this job. LO works, albeit slowly -- ~20 seconds to do the .odt->.doc conversion on a pi4. Again, thanks. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] libreoffice grabs network port
Hi all. A bit of a saga for me. I'm using LO headless from within a web server. The server is the perl-based mojolicious, and calls LO do do some file conversions from .odt to .doc and pdf. LO is called like: runcmd( 'soffice', '--headless', '--convert-to', $filter, '--outdir', $outdir, $odtfile ); followed by a call to mojo's render() stuff to pass the file to the user. Which often works. But (with varying frequency) LO seems to grab the web server's port somehow and sets up its own listen on it. This somewhat damages the web link :-| I've seen multiple copies of soffice and oosplash listening on the same port (a high-numbered, obscure one). I can't even see how this is possible The question is, why does it do this, and how do I stop it? TIA. Linux mint, btw, ooo 6.4.7.2 -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] corrupt files when using command line --print-to-file
On 11/04/2022 17:17, Mike Scott wrote: On 11/04/2022 15:16, Philip Jackson wrote: Hi Mike, I'm using LO 6.4.7.2 on UbuntuStudio 20.04 LTS and your --headless command line instruction works and produces a pdf file which passed the pdfinfo check with flying colours. I just rechecked to make sure. So maybe your problem is distro related? Thanks for your reply. Interesting to know it works for someone else I'll do a bit more checking on what's going on here. The issue seems to come and go depending obscurely on the exact file: I'm currently using a workaround. There are worse problems though. I'll start a new thread. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] corrupt files when using command line --print-to-file
On 11/04/2022 15:16, Philip Jackson wrote:
Hi Mike,
I'm using LO 6.4.7.2 on UbuntuStudio 20.04 LTS and your --headless
command line instruction works and produces a pdf file which passed the
pdfinfo check with flying colours. I just rechecked to make sure. So
maybe your problem is distro related?
Thanks for your reply. Interesting to know it works for someone else
I'll do a bit more checking on what's going on here.
But I don't use the --headless command very often because it breaks the
links in my pdf output. So, I make use of the LO Writer gui to do
file> export as>export as pdf which gets me a workable pdf with working
links (clickable table of contents etc). If I need to reassemble some
pdf docs, I use pdftk utility because so many of the others break those
links.
I can't use the gui at all. The target document odt is actually created
by a perl web script that modifies a template odt file, then converted
using LO to either doc or pdf for the end user all running in the cgi
context.
IIRC simple pdf conversion loses brochure formatting when present in the
document, hence use of --print-to-file.
Philip
On 11/04/2022 10:51, Mike Scott wrote:
I'm having a spot of bother trying to get a .ps or .pdf produced from
a .odt using the command line.
I've revisited some code last used a few years ago, whose last step is
just to use LO to do this conversion. It used to make a .ps file, but
that now seems to have changed, and I get a .pdf instead - which is
corrupt.
So I get for example
libreoffice --headless --print-to-file --outdir "./" "./y.odt"
print /dhome/mike/homebrew software/service sheet production/web
generator/y.odt -> /dhome/mike/homebrew software/service sheet
production/web generator//y.pdf using
pdfinfo y.pdf
Syntax Warning: May not be a PDF file (continuing anyway)
Syntax Error (2432): Illegal character '{'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find trailer dictionary
Syntax Error: Couldn't find trailer dictionary
Syntax Error: Couldn't read xref table
The resulting pdf won't load into a browser and upsets several of the
pdf tools, although gimp or xreader can read it. Fortunately, pdf2ps
accepts the file, so as a workaround, I do the LO --print-to-file and
then run the result through pdf2ps and then back through ps2pdf; the
result of that contortion seems OK.
Looking at the GUI instead, under the tools|options|print page, if I
try to set options for print to file, the tick box for pdf is set and
disabled. Yet if I select print to file in the normal print dialogue,
I get a valid .ps file not a pdf.
I need to run this as a print job, since '--convert-to pdf' doesn't
honour the brochure setting in place in the document. Using the GUI
and printing works fine, but isn't useful for automated processing.
If anyone has a way better of doing a command line conversion to a pdf
while honouring in particular the 'brochure' setting, I'd be grateful.
(This is with LO 6.4.7.2 under mint 20)
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[libreoffice-users] corrupt files when using command line --print-to-file
Hi all.
I'm having a spot of bother trying to get a .ps or .pdf produced from a
.odt using the command line.
I've revisited some code last used a few years ago, whose last step is
just to use LO to do this conversion. It used to make a .ps file, but
that now seems to have changed, and I get a .pdf instead - which is corrupt.
So I get for example
libreoffice --headless --print-to-file --outdir "./" "./y.odt"
print /dhome/mike/homebrew software/service sheet production/web
generator/y.odt -> /dhome/mike/homebrew software/service sheet
production/web generator//y.pdf using
pdfinfo y.pdf
Syntax Warning: May not be a PDF file (continuing anyway)
Syntax Error (2432): Illegal character '{'
Syntax Error: Couldn't find trailer dictionary
Syntax Error: Couldn't find trailer dictionary
Syntax Error: Couldn't read xref table
The resulting pdf won't load into a browser and upsets several of the
pdf tools, although gimp or xreader can read it. Fortunately, pdf2ps
accepts the file, so as a workaround, I do the LO --print-to-file and
then run the result through pdf2ps and then back through ps2pdf; the
result of that contortion seems OK.
Looking at the GUI instead, under the tools|options|print page, if I try
to set options for print to file, the tick box for pdf is set and
disabled. Yet if I select print to file in the normal print dialogue, I
get a valid .ps file not a pdf.
I need to run this as a print job, since '--convert-to pdf' doesn't
honour the brochure setting in place in the document. Using the GUI and
printing works fine, but isn't useful for automated processing.
If anyone has a way better of doing a command line conversion to a pdf
while honouring in particular the 'brochure' setting, I'd be grateful.
(This is with LO 6.4.7.2 under mint 20)
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Harlow, Essex, England
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Re: [libreoffice-users] videos in impress
On 20/05/2021 14:11, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/20/21 12:15 PM, Mike Scott wrote: On 20/05/2021 10:46, Italo Vignoli wrote: I will check. I can sed the video back, and have the text on top of it, maybe is just the configuration of the text animation (as the text to be on top of the video has to be managed with an animation). Thanks. Not sure where you're going with text animation. I don't know whether you're referring to the 'text animation' tab on the graphic styles menu, or a custom transition. Either way, I can make nasty flickery effects, but not keep the video at the back. A text animation is an action added to a text, which allows to determine how, where, when and for how long that text appears on the slide. I have always managed to have text over other objects without issues, I have not yet checked with the last version, but I can only work on it during the weekend. Thanks to all for the input. The problem persists, but I'm guessing there's no solution. To sum up: (1) embedding or linking produce different results: linking shows a placeholder during slide transition, embedding shows a frame of video. (2) The playing video is always on top of anything else; the placeholder however does obey the on-top/to-back directives. This is independent of video hardware and driver AFAICS. (3) The flickering I noted in passing is driver-related: using the nv driver, some slide transitions flicker; using nouveau they behave properly. (Same sort of thing seems to happen with kdenlive's playback FWIW) I sorted the weekend's presentation issue using OBS Studio. This even allows a video to play continuously across scene transitions, which was perfect for the job in hand. And, looking to the future, it allows embedding of other applications' windows into the 'show', which offers a lot of flexibility. Probably best to close this thread now; thanks again. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] videos in impress
On 13/05/2021 21:58, Dave Howorth wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:14:26 +0200 Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/13/21 4:59 PM, Mike Scott wrote: Sorry for following up my own post, but the laptop results were unexpected. Either drag-and-drop or using menu Insert gave the same results - both produced an object showing the blue 'film' icon, in the design mode, and at the video start when running a slide show. It's a recent low-end Dell pentium laptop, Intel integrated graphics. It's running the same version of LO/Mint as the desktop I normally use. Maybe it is worth posting a sample presentation that works for you somewhere so that Mike could test it? And maybe Mike could do the same so you could test his presentation to see whether it works or not for you? Maybe. Thanks for the input. I've now looked in content.xml. The difference between getting the video in by drag and drop, and via the Insert menu seems to be purely that D links, while insert (by default) embeds the video. All other parameters seem the same: svg:width="34cm" svg:height="19.125cm" svg:x="17.6cm" svg:y="21.4cm"> xlink:type="simple" xlink:show="embed" xlink:actuate="onLoad" draw:mime-type="application/vnd.sun.star.media"> and svg:width="29.085cm" svg:height="16.36cm" svg:x="2.8cm" svg:y="2.2cm"> xlink:type="simple" xlink:show="embed" xlink:actuate="onLoad" draw:mime-type="application/vnd.sun.star.media"> If I do an insert, and ask for the video to be linked, I again get the poor fade-in behaviour - the dummy placeholder shows (behind the text) as the slide fades in and is replaced by the playing video (on top of the text) when fade-in is complete. Doesn't seem affected by switching between nv and nouveau graphics drivers. I've no idea yet where the z ordering is saved. In all cases the video plays in front of everything else. Might this be a video hardware limitation of some sort? -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] videos in impress
[resent] On 13/05/2021 21:58, Dave Howorth wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:14:26 +0200 Italo Vignoli wrote: On 5/13/21 4:59 PM, Mike Scott wrote: Sorry for following up my own post, but the laptop results were unexpected. Either drag-and-drop or using menu Insert gave the same results - both produced an object showing the blue 'film' icon, in the design mode, and at the video start when running a slide show. It's a recent low-end Dell pentium laptop, Intel integrated graphics. It's running the same version of LO/Mint as the desktop I normally use. Maybe it is worth posting a sample presentation that works for you somewhere so that Mike could test it? And maybe Mike could do the same so you could test his presentation to see whether it works or not for you? Maybe. Thanks for the input. I've now looked in content.xml. The difference between getting the video in by drag and drop, and via the Insert menu seems to be purely that D links, while insert (by default) embeds the video. All other parameters seem the same: svg:width="34cm" svg:height="19.125cm" svg:x="17.6cm" svg:y="21.4cm"> xlink:type="simple" xlink:show="embed" xlink:actuate="onLoad" draw:mime-type="application/vnd.sun.star.media"> and svg:width="29.085cm" svg:height="16.36cm" svg:x="2.8cm" svg:y="2.2cm"> xlink:type="simple" xlink:show="embed" xlink:actuate="onLoad" draw:mime-type="application/vnd.sun.star.media"> If I do an insert, and ask for the video to be linked, I again get the poor fade-in behaviour - the dummy placeholder shows (behind the text) as the slide fades in and is replaced by the playing video (on top of the text) when fade-in is complete. Doesn't seem affected by switching between nv and nouveau graphics drivers. I've no idea yet where the z ordering is saved. In all cases the video plays in front of everything else. Might this be a video hardware limitation of some sort? -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] videos in impress
On 13/05/2021 12:11, Mike Scott wrote: Thank you again. Firstly, I was using drag-and-drop rather than using the menu & insert. It does seem the behaviour is unexpectedly different, and during design, d shows the icon, while 'insert' shows a frame from the video. As you say, the icon does not appear when playing under your conditions. .. As it works for you I wonder if there's an issue with video drivers. I'm using nvidia-340, on some rather old hardware. There is some obscure bug(s) that seems to affect both LO and kdenlive, causing flashing during some fades (LO/Impress) or sometimes during video playback (kdenlive). I'll try this on my laptop, and see if it works any better. Sorry for following up my own post, but the laptop results were unexpected. Either drag-and-drop or using menu Insert gave the same results - both produced an object showing the blue 'film' icon, in the design mode, and at the video start when running a slide show. It's a recent low-end Dell pentium laptop, Intel integrated graphics. It's running the same version of LO/Mint as the desktop I normally use. Weird. -- Mike Scott Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] videos in impress
Thank you again. Firstly, I was using drag-and-drop rather than using the menu & insert. It does seem the behaviour is unexpectedly different, and during design, d shows the icon, while 'insert' shows a frame from the video. As you say, the icon does not appear when playing under your conditions. However, there's still a major problem. The slide fades in with the video at the bottom of the stack, and the text visible. However, as soon as the fade is complete, the video pops to the top and remains there. Under some conditions there also appears a background image that looks like a static frame from the video enlarged to cover the entire screen - not reproducibly though. As it works for you I wonder if there's an issue with video drivers. I'm using nvidia-340, on some rather old hardware. There is some obscure bug(s) that seems to affect both LO and kdenlive, causing flashing during some fades (LO/Impress) or sometimes during video playback (kdenlive). I'll try this on my laptop, and see if it works any better. Thanks for your patience! On 13/05/2021 09:25, Italo Vignoli wrote: Using the process I have described, the video can be sent to back as any other object, and you can superimpose the text. Also, no icon shows at the start of the video. Done in over 200 presentations during the last 10 years. On 5/13/21 9:48 AM, Mike Scott wrote: (resent) Thank you for your reply. However, the issue is not that I cannot insert a video into a slide. The problems are (a) that the inserted video is always "on top" of other objects, whereas I want text superimposed over the video, and (b) the annoying icon that always seems to show at the start of the video (and sometimes at the end). My possible workaround is to use OBS Studio instead, which has other issues but at least gives an easy option to have changing text superimposed onto a video without artifacts. I'd rather use LO though! On 12/05/2021 13:06, Italo Vignoli wrote: Menu Insert > Audio or Video Choose the video from the selection window, deselect "Insert as Link" -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] videos in impress
(resent) Thank you for your reply. However, the issue is not that I cannot insert a video into a slide. The problems are (a) that the inserted video is always "on top" of other objects, whereas I want text superimposed over the video, and (b) the annoying icon that always seems to show at the start of the video (and sometimes at the end). My possible workaround is to use OBS Studio instead, which has other issues but at least gives an easy option to have changing text superimposed onto a video without artifacts. I'd rather use LO though! On 12/05/2021 13:06, Italo Vignoli wrote: Menu Insert > Audio or Video Choose the video from the selection window, deselect "Insert as Link" The video will be placed in the middle of the slide, as a normal object (which can be aligned or arranged) Using the handles, reside the video to the expected size Menu Insert > Text Box Click to position the text box over the video, and then create the animation to manage the text box (please be careful, the mouse click can advance to the next slide because of the video, so you may have to use timings to show/hide text boxes) Anyway, this is explained in the LibreOffice Impress Manual, with lot of details On 5/12/21 12:19 PM, Mike Scott wrote: Hi all. I've steered clear for some years of trying to include a video in an impress presentation, as I've always had problems. The need has re-arisen however, and I'm stuck on two points: 1. The video is always "on top" of other items, irrespective of any "send to back" setting. I need a video with superimposed text, and can't seem to manage this. What I'm trying to achieve is a video running in the background, with foreground text that changes on mouse click. 2. A video always seems to start with an icon (two frames of a film strip, in blue/white) rather than starting gracefully. It's the same icon used as placeholder when designing the slide. That gives a jarring loss of continuity when running the slide show. (Ironically, the icon obeys "send to back" where the video itself does not.) Is there any work-round for these please? Thanks. LO 6.4.7.2 running on Mint 20. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] videos in impress
Hi all. I've steered clear for some years of trying to include a video in an impress presentation, as I've always had problems. The need has re-arisen however, and I'm stuck on two points: 1. The video is always "on top" of other items, irrespective of any "send to back" setting. I need a video with superimposed text, and can't seem to manage this. What I'm trying to achieve is a video running in the background, with foreground text that changes on mouse click. 2. A video always seems to start with an icon (two frames of a film strip, in blue/white) rather than starting gracefully. It's the same icon used as placeholder when designing the slide. That gives a jarring loss of continuity when running the slide show. (Ironically, the icon obeys "send to back" where the video itself does not.) Is there any work-round for these please? Thanks. LO 6.4.7.2 running on Mint 20. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] impress - slide transitions not working
On 17/12/2019 01:59, Remy Gauthier wrote: I tried the slide transitions you mention (dissolve - both fine and standard, and fade - with both offered variants) and I cannot see the effect you are describing. If it can help, this is my running environment: Thanks for the comment. I'm quite bemused by what I observe. On the spare Celeron, the appimage works fine. But the same appimage on my desktop box (now upgraded OS) fails with an even worse flicker than before. I've tried both nouveau drivers and also the integrated video interface: the exact same problem. Yet booting off a live CD and running the exact same appimage with the exact same .odp file works perfectly (I've not tried the 'live'-provided packages). I've also just found - only on my desktop box - that it won't recognise any audio file to use with a slide transition: this is fine on the spare machine and the laptop. Suggests there's something very amiss with the mint installation on my desktop; time to reinstall, perhaps. Yet, it can't be all down to one bad installation: slides flicker on the spare with the mint-provided packages, and also on my wife's desktop (also mint 18.x). I'll have to think about this a bit. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] impress - slide transitions not working
Apologies for following up my own post and for top-posting.
I've been struggling with this and the lack of response. I've now found
it's a long-standing problem, back to 2014/2015 and the early 5.x
versions. 4.x seems to have been OK. It seems poor that the dev's
haven't addressed what is clearly, for some, a long-standing
show-stopper regression :-{
I have found that 6.0.x on my 32 bit laptop works fine. I'm wondering if
it's a specific 64-bit issue.
Does anyone have a fix that I've missed please?
On 13/12/2019 09:08, Mike Scott wrote:
Hi all.
I'm having a bit of trouble with some slide transitions.
I've got 3 computers that all behave differently. They all run linux
mint, with varying versions of LO installed.
When fed the exact same slide show, with my chosen "dissolve" or "fine
dissolve" I find that:
1. on my 64-bit desktop machine (LO 5.1.6.2 mint 18.3) the transition
does the dissolve, but with a nasty flicker to a white screen. Other
transitions are jerky. nvidia graphics
2. On my 32-bit lappy (LO version not to hand, but still mint 18.3) all
works perfectly (intel graphics)
3. On a second 64-bit, freshly installed machine (LO 6.0.7.3/mint 19.2),
the "fade" transition is simply a sharp cut. Intel graphics of some
sort. Some transitions do work, eg dissolve, push; some fail, eg fade,
iris, cube)
I'd originally put #1 down to the driver, but it's as bad with either
nvidia's X driver, or nouveau. #3 is bad, as this was to be my backup
machine for a presentation next weekend, in case the (elderly) laptop
failed.
I'm going to try to downgrade the LO6 to see if that helps, but
meanwhile, any thoughts please?
TIA.
(BTW the other working transitions aren't really appropriate for the
particular environment. Otherwise they'd be a workround.)
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[libreoffice-users] impress - slide transitions not working
Hi all. I'm having a bit of trouble with some slide transitions. I've got 3 computers that all behave differently. They all run linux mint, with varying versions of LO installed. When fed the exact same slide show, with my chosen "dissolve" or "fine dissolve" I find that: 1. on my 64-bit desktop machine (LO 5.1.6.2 mint 18.3) the transition does the dissolve, but with a nasty flicker to a white screen. Other transitions are jerky. nvidia graphics 2. On my 32-bit lappy (LO version not to hand, but still mint 18.3) all works perfectly (intel graphics) 3. On a second 64-bit, freshly installed machine (LO 6.0.7.3/mint 19.2), the "fade" transition is simply a sharp cut. Intel graphics of some sort. Some transitions do work, eg dissolve, push; some fail, eg fade, iris, cube) I'd originally put #1 down to the driver, but it's as bad with either nvidia's X driver, or nouveau. #3 is bad, as this was to be my backup machine for a presentation next weekend, in case the (elderly) laptop failed. I'm going to try to downgrade the LO6 to see if that helps, but meanwhile, any thoughts please? TIA. (BTW the other working transitions aren't really appropriate for the particular environment. Otherwise they'd be a workround.) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Resize object symmetrically?
On 12/09/2019 22:19, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: . Aaah! I think I got it. It seems to be different depending on how you drew the original shape. If I select a square and draw it, then uncheck the keep ratio check box in "Position and Size", then I get those strange results in my previous post. If I, on the other hand, draw a rectangle while holding the shift key to create a square in the first place, then when I drag and release to change its size, everything works as expected. I'äm not sure why, though. So something might be wrong after all, but not sure if it's a bug or a feature. Johnny Rosenberg Am I missing something in this discussion? The OP asked: "let's say I want to make it larger vertically and as click & hold and drag down I want it to not just get bigger vertically down but symmetrically up too;..." It seems to me he's asking, not for proportions to be kept the same, but for resizing not to move the centre of the object. So in Inkscape, I drag a handle on the right of the object: right edge moves. I shift-drag on the right, and both right and left edges move, keeping the centring the same. Control-drag keeps proportions the same, moving right, top, bottom edges; control-shift drag keeps proportions and centring the same, moving all 4 edges. OTOH in Draw, dragging a right edge moves the right edge; shift-dragging moves right, top and bottom, keeping proportions and shifting the centre horizontally. And that's all the choice you have. It's been an annoying (mis-)feature as long as I remember. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] odt file contents - naming of files in Pictures/ directory
Hi all; I've just come unstuck near the end of a project. I'm creating an odt file pretty much from scratch. All works, but I need to embed an image within the odt file rather than just linking to an external image (the latter works OK). Unfortunately, images within the Pictures/ directory seem to obey some naming convention that's currently outwitting me. I've tried manually renaming an image inside an existing document and editing content.xml to correspond. LO complains the file is broken, suggesting the strings cannot be random. Example names I see in Pictures/ are (the sole 2 pictures from the same document):- 10CE008999F5303D619DABFE.png 10CE00896E838079907CA15F.png Changing DABFE to DABFF (and content.xml to match) causes LO to offer to repair a broken document -- regenerating the original name. Can anyone say exactly how those names are generated please? (Or where it would be documented. I've seen the odf spec does not define this area.) Thanks. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 6.2.x save dialog on Linux
On 12/06/2019 19:12, aguador wrote: Does anyone on the list, whether from the DF or a user, know if there are plans to improve the save dialog? As it stands, at least on Linux, separate partitions and connected drives are no longer shown in the dialogue. Saving to such a partition or drive means navigating there through the root directory. I know that it is possible to save the location, but this does not help if you are saving to a new or infrequently used external device. Which dialogue box style have you selected? Under Tools|Options|LibreOffice|general you get the option to choose LO-style dialogues. If I pick 'LO-style' I see what you appear to be describing; clearing that checkbox gives a more sensible (IMO) dialogue box. (LO 5.1.6.2 on Mint Sylvia) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: FODT Write Error. The file could not be written.
On 26/04/2019 11:02, Francesco Ongaro wrote: Dear LibreOffice Community, sorry to bother, do you think there is a better place to ask such question? I'm available to rebuild Libreoffice with symbols and debug it with a little guidance (c++ sources are huge!). You really do /not/ want to go there :-} :-} Thanks, Francesco On 12/04/19 21:05, Francesco Ongaro wrote: Dear LibreOffice Community, I programmatically generate a FODT that opens without any problem and can be edited. When saving such FODT document I get "Write Error. The file could not be written.". You might get more help if you included information such as your OS and the LO version. There are a couple of very obvious things to check meanwhile - are the file and directory permissions set to allow you to do the save? As it's flat xml, try opening it in your choice of ordinary text editor and seeing if you can do the equivalent save operation from there (you don't say why you think it's an LO issue). -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] Draw: page numbering [RESENT]
On 05/01/2019 13:15, Albrecht Dreß wrote: Hi all, I want to create a rather huge document in LO Draw (actually a photo collection) with numbered pages. Thus, I want to split the document into multiple parts, export them separately as PDF, and glue the resulting PDF together. Adding the page/slide number in the master is of course simple, but it starts with "1" for each document. Is it possible to change the start number somehow, i.e. to print e.g. "20" on the 1st page of the 2nd document part? Thanks in advance, Albrecht. FWIW I use pdftk with the 'multistamp' option to do much the same - a set of disparate pdf files (not all from LO) that I glue into one volume using pdfunite. You can create a file that contains just page numbers plus any other common information and superpose this on your combined pdf - just make sure to leave space for the numbers. I can't offhand see any way of changing LO's own numbering. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] centring text boxes
Today's daft question. Why can't you automatically centre up a text box on the page in Writer? If I have an image, I do R-click, Alignment, and pick from a useful selection of options. Try the same on a text box and I get "". It makes laying out a page (and I've just started on an order of service for a funeral) decidedly frustrating. (Nor for that matter do styles work in a text box. I fail to understand the issues here.) (LO 5.1.6.2/Mint, BTW) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[resent] Re: [libreoffice-users] report builder query - how to suppress output.
(originally sent from non-subscribed address; that seems to have vanished. Trying again with my subscribed list address) On 28/08/18 14:12, Robert Großkopf wrote: Hi Mike, I can do a simple-minded report using report builder, which looks at the moment to fulfil the need, except for one problem. When a database field is empty (eg, no email or no 2nd address line), is there any way of completely suppressing that line of output? I don't want pointless blank lines appearing. You could only suppress the output for a complete section of the report. So the whole data of one row could be suppressed, not a "row of fields" in the section "Details". Thanks for the reply. I'm still 'all at sea', I'm afraid. I can't for the life of me see how to create a new section, never mind how to make it disappear conditionally. The German translation you mention seems to be roughly what I've already seen; I've not found it helpful, I'm afraid. Judging by the lack of other responses to my query, this must be a somewhat obscure part of LO. I think perhaps I'd better stick with my existing perl script I've been using to generate ODF documents from a spreadsheet -- seems easier to cut perl code than understand Report Builder. :-( :-( -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-users] report builder query - how to suppress output.
Hi. I've been trying to get my head round report builder (it seems a very steep learning curve, ill-documented), and there's one issue that's eluding me - how to conditionally completely suppress output. I'm trying to format an address book from material in a database. As usual, there'll be fields for name, 1st and 2nd lines of address, town, email, phone, etc. I can do a simple-minded report using report builder, which looks at the moment to fulfil the need, except for one problem. When a database field is empty (eg, no email or no 2nd address line), is there any way of completely suppressing that line of output? I don't want pointless blank lines appearing. It's exactly the issue raised at https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/21488/base-report-builder-suppress-blank-lines/ but the linked solution on an OO web page doesn't seem relevant to LO -- (I can't find Insert > Section in this context). I'm hoping I'm just missing something obvious - I'd be grateful for any pointers please. Also, is there a good tutorial around with examples for report builder? Thanks. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice - patches
On 22/03/18 07:12, toki wrote: On 03/21/2018 09:51 PM, Miss Lizzy wrote: do you actually mean 'anyone' or are the patches development by your own team of software developers? Anybody can submit patches. .. Theoretically true. But the learning curve for someone who's never done it before is tremendously steep. I had a simple one-word patch to submit recently. I simply didn't have the time or energy to jump through the necessary hoops. It didn't get done: and I'm not exactly a computer novice! I do believe a fast-track, *simple* change suggestion alternative might be advantageous. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
(resent) Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: video issue -- thinking out loud and could do with help please
On 09/11/17 17:34, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
Le 09/11/2017 à 15:36, Mike Scott a écrit :
I think the code is badly structured - the grabFrame method has no way
of specifying an offset. It should have, and whatever runs the slide
displaying should pick the first or last as appropriate.
Is it really so simple? And do the dev's lurk here at all, or do I need
to stick this on the dev list??
Contributions gratefully received :-) It may be that no one ever really
looked at the problem or found the time to go back to that part of the code.
Best bet would be to introduce yourself on the dev list. They will ask
OK; I've subscribed; I'd better just lurk for a bit.
you to contribute the code via gerrit, the code submission tool that the
gerrit?! something else to learn then :-{
project uses and send in a mail about your contributions being released
under the relevant licenses the project uses. It will undergo a review
and if deemed acceptable and advantageous, which it seems to be from
I have a sudden picture in my mind of a single-character change to the
source generating vast swathes of review, comment, regression testing,
etc etc. Hmmm.
what you relate, get accepted into the master source branch. If you're
up for introducing extra functionality to let the user choose where they
want to pick the frame from then even better :-)
I'd love to - but I'm so far out of date with code standards that I
doubt it'd be practicable. The immediate problem is
fixed^Wworked-around, and maybe the pointer to the trouble area will
inspire someone more capable to do a proper job.
Oh, and thanks for the comments. A little encouragement goes a long way!
Mike.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: video issue -- thinking out loud and could do with help please
On 09/11/17 10:12, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 09/11/2017 à 10:02, Mike Scott a écrit : Scott, You might have better luck posting your question to the developer mailing list, or directly on the dev IRC channel. Alex Maybe I'll go there, as I seem to have found a workable answer. Not that I understand fully why it works; nor is it a complete and proper solution. It's all down to "magic numbers". Rule two of code writing - never, ever, embed literal numbers in the depths of your code. Well, there's a file mediawindow.cxx that has a grabFrame method that (I assume) is what's called by whatever displays the static placeholder. This has embedded within it a so-called default frame - which is at 3.0 seconds or half the media length. With no way that the caller can request anything else. So, on the basis that showing the first frame is better than a mid-media frame (make the video fade from/to black for example), I simply set the magic constant to 0 and recompiled. Bingo. The slide fades in to show the first frame, and the video starts from there. Exactly what the doctor ordered. What I don't understand is that when the video finishes, the last frame is now displayed. That too is exactly what's needed -- but I haven't a clue why: I expected it to jump back to the first. I think the code is badly structured - the grabFrame method has no way of specifying an offset. It should have, and whatever runs the slide displaying should pick the first or last as appropriate. Is it really so simple? And do the dev's lurk here at all, or do I need to stick this on the dev list?? -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: resolved (Re: getting LO source)
On 09/11/17 09:04, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 08/11/2017 à 10:52, Mike Scott a écrit : Hi Mike, Having established it would build and run (with the same video problem, incidentally), I finally looked at the sources. Now I begin to see why changes take so long not a comment in sight for one thing, and a spider's web of complexity. Sheesh! Nightmarish. The lack of significant comments stems from the original source code of OpenOffice.org when it was released, which itself came from StarOffice (after Sun bought the code). Most of the existing comments at the time were also in German, and particularly concise or absconse. Unfortunately, at least for the occasional person wanting to dive into the code, heavy commenting does not seem to be widely adopted amongst the currently active open source developers contributing to the project. One might also bear in mind that the LibreOffice code base is huge - certainly larger in lines of code than any other current open source project. As a non-developer trying to read the code for bug hunting, it has given me migraines on many an occasion. Thanks. I'd forgotten the original would have been German (and StarOffice was actually my first foray into a 'proper' WP -- iirc Sun were giving it away at the time.) Probably time this thread died off, the 'source' issue being resolved and purely down to my failure. I've started another thread on the particular video issue I'm concerned with. If anyone can shed light there to help getting it resolved, I think not a few users would be grateful! Thanks again to all who've replied here. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] video issue -- thinking out loud and could do with help please
OK. I'm well out of my depth, but this problem has been around too long
unfixed and it needs fixing. If I 'think out loud' here, maybe others
could chip in? Sorry this is a bit lengthy.
The problem: a video on an Impress slide starts and finishes with an
inappropriate frame displayed. I've made a series of test videos, the
frames simply containing the frame number from 0N-1, and in a
selection of formats (.mp4, .flv and ".avi") using avconv. I then embed
that video into a slide using Insert|Audio or Video.
A placeholder frame from the video is displayed during editing. This is
a frame from within the video, but it isn't always the same one. It
depends on the length and format and frame-rate of the video. So, for
example, using 15fps, a 50-frame flv video shows the frame #24 (the 25th
frame, starting at #0), A 35-frame video shows #12, and a 25-framer
shows #0. a long mp4 shows #30, a 10-frame mp4 shows #5, with a
selection between. An avi just shows a question mark, presumably because
something can't seek into the video (supposition!).
For comparison, a 1500-frame clip at 15fps starts on frame #30; at
25fps, it starts on frame #75.
Much the same also applies to LO6's property page video preview - with
the addition that when the seek slider is tweaked, the placeholder is
also shown while the slider is being moved (it usually settles down to
show a reasonable frame, not always.)
The big deal-breaker is that this placeholder frame is shown during the
slide show when the slide appears and before the video plays (a long
time if there's a slow transition), and also when the video has
finished. This means at the very least an annoying flicker at the start,
and a usually totally inappropriate ending.
Versions don't seem important - it's been there at least since LO3, and
is still in LO6. (And, if I recall, even since OOo) FWIW I'm using 5.1.6.2
I'm using linux Mint; I can't check now, but from memory the same sort
of issue used to arise on Windows. So presumably the issue lies
somewhere in the LO source code, and not for example the gstreamer library.
So, I've been looking particularly at the avmedia directory; I have
however failed miserably to find anything at all that might relate to
the above observations. (Not helped by my decidedly dated experience of
C++ :-{ ). If anyone has any experience/knowledge/insights into
whereabouts to look, that would be great.
Sorry that's so long, but I think the symptoms need documenting
somewhere. Any thoughts at all would be most welcome - thanks.
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Re: resolved (Re: [libreoffice-users] getting LO source)
On 07/11/17 05:51, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 06/11/2017 à 19:53, Mike Scott a écrit : [...] Problem fixed. But just how long should I expect for LO to build? I've seen estimates on the net of and hour or two on a less powerful processor than my own: but I've always had the impression it would be a seriously long time. That does not depend only on your processor, but also on your mass storage device (HD or SSD), the use or not of ccache (for a second build) and the build options you have chosen (for example the number of parallel jobs). And probably on your OS too. For me a complete build is about 2 hours with an i7 with 2 physical cores and an SSD, if I allow 2 parallel jobs to the build system. I use a Linux OS. On my previous PC it was about 4 hours with a HD and a i7 from an older generation. Be patient. :-) Wise words. Thanks for your reply. I left it running all evening; it took somewhere between 2.5 and 5.5 hours to complete (which it did first time of asking). This was a first-time build on a VM - quad 3.1GHz i5-3450 processor, 2Gb memory allocated and running Mint (was swapping more than I'd have wished). Having established it would build and run (with the same video problem, incidentally), I finally looked at the sources. Now I begin to see why changes take so long not a comment in sight for one thing, and a spider's web of complexity. Sheesh! Nightmarish. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
resolved (Re: [libreoffice-users] getting LO source)
(resent - I think the 1st copy is stuck in moderation. Thanks to those who replied meanwhile) On 06/11/17 15:02, Gilles Gravier wrote: Mike, For me, it's downloading... I'm at 25% and no specific issue. I copy pasted your line directly. Try again now? Maybe a network or a server error that has since been fixed? Thanks for the reply. red face time here: coming back, I found a straightforward typo on my command line. Which, being in a virtual machine, I'd retyped (correctly) when posting from my real desktop. (In mitigation, I'd left out the 'o' in libreoffice, which was just about at the line-wrap. You always see what you expect to see!) Problem fixed. But just how long should I expect for LO to build? I've seen estimates on the net of and hour or two on a less powerful processor than my own: but I've always had the impression it would be a seriously long time. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] getting LO source
There being no answers to the long-standing issues with playing videos,
I thought I'd take a look at the source for myself. Possibly a hopeless
task, but anyway...
I fell at the first :-{ and couldn't even download the source. Not a
promising start!
The page at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingOnLinux
recommends using git, so I tried the suggested
git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core libreoffice
only to be told
"Cloning into libreoffice'...
fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported:
/libreoffice/core"
(I also tried git clone -n with the same result. I suspect the web
page should show the -n ???)
Help please?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] missing checkboxes and radio-buttons in all dialogues
On 19/10/17 14:28, leleu wrote: In Ubuntu 17.04 LO 5.3.1.2 no problem Je la 19/10/2017 13:14, zahra a skribis : hello. in windows, i did not have such issue until now. can you try repairing libreoffice or if does not fix the problem, you can completely uninstall it with all fulders and settings and reinstall it again. I replied earlier, but I suspect it's stuck in the moderation q. I noted that: "I've now downgraded(*) to 5.1.6.2, which is the version in the mint/ubuntu PPA rather than using that from the LO PPA. The checkboxes are back; hurray." So, problem fixed for now, but cause unknown and still presumably due to something breaking between 5.1.6.2 (or 5.3.1.2) and 5.4.1.2. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] missing checkboxes and radio-buttons in all dialogues
Pretty much as the subject.
I have a machine running 5.1.6.2 (mint; version not to hand) that works
correctly. My desktop box - 5.4.2.2 (mint 18.1) - shows no checkboxes in
any (AFAICS) dialogue box. So I can't set any option anywhere, whether
eg for printing or in the options.
I seem to suffer from long-standing bugs :-( I see from bugzilla from
*2011* "[Bug 36345] Checkboxes missing from Options panel". Also 36263 -
Zip file handling broken. OK, on windows, but I get /exactly/ the same
symptoms: no checkbox and top of label text missing.
I also see "Debian Bug report logs - #870745
libreoffice-style-galaxy: Missing checkboxes and button icons" which
says the issue is fixed by installing libreoffice-style-tango. This is
available in synaptic, and I've installed it on the system. But I can't
see how to tell LO to use it. For one thing, I don't have any checkboxes
in the options dialogues. Catch-22 maybe :-{
Help please?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] video issues in Impress
On 18/10/17 14:13, zahra a wrote: hello. if you can steps to reproduce the bug, you can report it in bugzilla or participate in previous reported bugs that you mentioned. since which version of libreoffice do you have this problem exactly? in 5.3.6 and 5.3.7 i read some bug fixed in impress. Thank you for your comment. There seems little point in reporting on Bugzilla yet again something that has been raised multiple times in the past 4 or 5 years. As I'm running 5.4.2.2, I would hope that fixes for 5.3.x would be included anyway. i wish that your issue be resolved. As do I. Does no-one else on the list use video within Impress at all? Do people not generally have this problem? Or do they just put up with it? God bless you! He does. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] video issues in Impress
I've had an issue using video clips in Impress for a long time. I'm currently suffering the embarrassment of having to ask someone to prepare a PP presentation rather me doing it in Impress because of this. Basically, I need a slide that, when it's displayed, immediately shows a video clip (of some minutes), and at the end of the clip transitions to a blank screen until the next slide is requested. /Always/ I have glitches at the start and end of the video. The current attempt shows a full-screen "?" for a fraction of a second before the video starts (in previous LO versions, it's shown a random frame from near the start of the clip). I would dearly love just to have frame 1 of the video appear, and for the last frame to remain when done, without extraneous "stuff" inserted. This looks to be the same issue as bug 69461, which dates back to 2013 without a fix!! Also 112958 looks probably related, albeit appearing on windows, but commenting on the use of a placeholder video frame. For me, it's a complete show-stopper, and obviously a number of people are having this problem but manage to somehow put up with it. I'm surprised it's not received attention yet. Any thoughts on this please? Does a majority not suffer from it? (And if so, what's the difference in setup/usage?) Does anyone have a workaround? (I can't find one) (I'm currently using LO 5.4.2.2 on Mint 18.1; but I'm almost sure this happened in days of yore under windows XP) Thanks. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Reading from a USB device.
On 28/08/17 10:24, Cley Faye wrote: 2017-08-27 15:47 GMT+02:00 Marion & Noel Lodge <lodg...@gmail.com>: I have a Studio Logic MIDI music keyboard which I have plugged into my PC via a USB cable. Windows has automatically installed the appropriate driver/s. I am attempting to read the MIDI input from the keyboard as I want to see if I can use a Macro to modify the sound before it goes to the speaker. (Actually I want to try to programmatically mix sine waves like a Hammond Organ does - it may not be possible, but I'd like to give it a try!) ... Maybe I misunderstood something, but I don't see how this is related to LibreOffice in any way. While it is true that it is possible to write If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail :-} I think the OP sounds muddled. Recording midi signals isn't going to help (much) with a wish to "programmatically mix sine waves" -- chalk and cheese, I think. Which thinking is amplified by the bit about "modify the sound before it goes to the speaker". I doubt (nay, hope) LO will ever offer a full-blown synth!! I /think/ the OP is looking at a midi synthesiser plus a mixer. A doddle on linux to sling something together -- I'd be looking at qsynth, jack and jack_mixer as a start point. Maybe they'll run on windows. I'd not know. I'd most certainly /not/ be looking to do any usb-level programming; that bit's already been done. Or maybe I've totally mis-understood. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] writer table issues - lines that mis-behave
I don't use tables much, and I've not noticed the following before
today. This is with LO 5.4.0.3 (Build ID:
1:5.4.0~rc3-0ubuntu0.16.04.1~lo1) on Mint 18.1 (64-bit).
I insert a table, R-click and select table properties, then try to
change the line style/colour:
1. Set line style to 'none'. The lines disappear correctly, but it's
impossible to get them back -- subsequent views of the properties
dialogue show the lines to be solid style (they're not), and changes are
ignored.
And it behaves inconsistently and not repeatably on occasion. I've had
the following while testing the above
2. changing to dashed line affects all but the bottom line, which
remains determinedly solid.
3. changing colour changes all the lines; but trying to return to black
sets all but the bottom line to black.
But I can't reproduce these now :-{
All a bit weird. Anyone else had similar issues?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Simple way to draw graphs ?
On 14/08/17 16:15, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi, Gilles schrieb: Hello I'd like to use LO to redraw graphs scanned from a book, such at this one: <http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4220553/test.png> Is there a simple way in LO to do this, ideally without using maths (unless it's a no-brainer)? You mean, that you do not have the underlying data? In that case, you can use the scan directly. Or in case the scan is too ugly, you have to read the scan and enter the coordinates as data in the table. From the image I guess, that five points are sufficient. You need an XY-chart, because otherwise the years are not at the ticks but between the ticks. Generate the chart in Calc. Uncheck the option to use "Source Format" in the Numbers tab of the axis properties dialog. That makes it easier to copy the chart to Writer. Yes, you can redraw the graph, but you might learn a little bit about making a chart. Kind regards Regina Can I also point out that LO isn't necessarily the correct tool? I've lately discovered the joys of gnuplot -- more flexible than LO, and an image created by it could of course be imported into an LO document. As others have pointed out, beware copyright of the data. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office saving spreadsheets as images when saving as Word docx!?
On 15/04/17 21:19, Dave Howorth wrote: On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 18:04:47 +0200 Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knu...@gmail.com> wrote: Since this is still the only mailing list that I'm on that requires me to hit ”Reply to all” to reply to the group, I failed doing so again, and all the crap ended up at the OP only… so this is my second try… Well that must be a problem with the crap mailer you use. A simple reply works fine for me. The list mails don't have a 'reply-to' header. So, eg, Thunderbird's simple 'message|reply' would go to the sender only; TB does however have a 'reply to list' option that does the necessary. But to return to the OP's LO issue. It looks as though he has a writer file with an embedded calc document. Exporting as docx indeed renders the embedded spreadsheet as an image. I'm not sure what he would expect to happen - embed an LO spreadsheet in a MS Word document!? Translate the spreadsheet to something Word supports in the same way (IIRC not in general possible but IANAE) Or what? My thought though is his document is 'inside out'. If the important parts are the numbers, perhaps it would better be a Calc document with embedded text and images; I'd suggest this would export better to something MS might support. He doesn't say why he needs to export to docx - I thought these days MS had some support for ODF documents. Could the recipient not cope with the odt file? -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] keeping styles up-to-date
Hi all; I've a bit of an issue in keeping styles consistent across
multiple documents. Maybe there's an easier way of achieving what I
need... any thoughts would be appreciated.
I'm producing music booklets for a local choir. The sources for the
material are varied: LO files for any words, plus laid-out music input
from musescore and abcm2ps (as pdf files). One song per file. LO source
is converted to pdf, and the whole lot is assembled with pdfunite into a
booklet for printing - often the exact order of pieces won't be known
until the last minute.
My problem is that although the LO files are derived from a common .ott
template file, I find that I sometimes need to alter basic formatting
after creating all the files, eg to change font face or size. At
present, I change this in the .ott file, then have to go through all the
individual documents reloading the styles from this file. It's tedious!
So, is there a way of making style information in an LO document a
/reference/ to, rather than a copy of, that in a master file?
Alternatively, is there a way from the command line of loading styles
from one file into another (I have no doubt a macro could do this; I'm
afraid I don't have the expertise to craft one though :-{ )
TIA for any advice!
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Re: [libreoffice-users] MS Anniversary upgrade warning - not LO issue
On 06/12/16 16:32, Tanstaafl wrote: Can't imagine why anyone would mess with dual boot these days with something like Virtualbox available. A windows licence might be tied to hardware, for example. So if I need occasional windows use (eg to update my satnav - g!) but otherwise use linux, dual-boot is a necessity. Such a licence probably wouldn't work in a virtual machine. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
removal of attachments on mailing list (was Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with instalation)
On 17/08/16 22:24, Tim Lloyd wrote: Hi, this list does not allow attachments so can you please post any attachments to the web based interface This issue keeps popping up. I've just had a quick look at the web page (www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/) that describes the LO various lists. It gives enough information to know to subscribe to users@ to get help, but there's no warning about removal of attachments. Maybe this needs changing? ISTM a warning plus advice on how to submit attachments would do no harm. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Date field in a spreadsheet
On 27/07/16 15:13, Brian Barker wrote:
At 07:23 27/07/2016 -0400, William Drescher wrote:
I have version Version: 5.0.5.2
In writer I can insert a field that shows the current date whenever
the document is opened. I can't figure out how to do that in a
spreadsheet. Help please.
As has already been noted, you can add date and time to the header or
footer at Format | Page... | Header (or Footer) | Edit... .
If you want to put the date into a cell, use the formula
=TODAY()
- which returns the current date. You can format the cell to display the
date in your chosen format, of course.
Alternatively,
=NOW()
returns the current date and time.
I trust this helps.
Brian Barker
You can also double-click to edit the cell, then R-click on it and
select 'Insert Fields...', which offers a small submenu of Date, Sheet
Name, and Title. Not that I've found a way of then specifying the date
format :-{
Is there any (good) reason Calc doesn't have the same "Insert|Field"
menu as Writer? I do dislike inconsistencies like this.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Data Range in Calc
On 08/07/16 02:01, Pat Brown wrote:
Mike, the problem is that when I double click on the chart and I right
click, none of the options is "Data Ranges". The closest I can come is
"Data Table.." This is what has been frustrating me. I wonder if it
would help to re-install LO as there may have been some sort of
corruption during my last install. I am using version 5.1.3.2 on Win 7 Pro.
5.1.4.2/mint here. But it's behaved the same for as long as I remember.
OTOH, I'm charting a set of cells within the spreadsheet. If I
double-click the chart, and select "View" from the menu bar, then "Data
Table" is a greyed-out option. I have not the foggiest idea what it does
-- the help system unhelpfully tells me:
"Opens the Data Table dialog where you can edit the chart data.
The Data Table dialog is not available if you insert a chart that is
based on a Calc sheet or on a Writer table."
But if I double-click the chart and then R-click somewhere on it, I get
different menus depending on what's been clicked (background, grid,
point, trend line), but they /all/ finish with chart type, data ranges,
copy, paste.
Do you have/can you borrow another machine you can run this on? IMO if
you seriously think the installation is corrupted, reinstalling might be
a good plan; but try moving your profile to one side first - I gather
resetting that can cure a number of ills.
(BTW, it's almost always best to follow up to the list, rather than to
any individual. At the very least, you get the benefit of the collected
wisdom, while others may benefit from any discussion.)
On 7 July 2016 at 16:15, Mike Scott <v...@scottsonline.org.uk
<mailto:v...@scottsonline.org.uk>> wrote:
On 07/07/16 14:37, Pat Brown wrote:
Every year I open a new sheet in Calc to record data from a new
year. The
layout remains exactly the same each year, only the data
changes. The
simplest is to copy the whole of the previous year's sheet and
past it into
a new sheet. Then delete all the previous year's data and fill
in the new
data. I have two graphs on this page and this is where my
problem comes in.
The simplest method would be to select the graph and then change
the Data
Range to read from the new sheet, BUT, once a graph has been
created I
cannot find any way to edit the data range. Am I missing
something or is
this just not possible? Is it really necessary to re-create each
graph from
scratch?
No.
Double-click on the chart background to select it. Right-click on
any point (or a trend line) and select "Data Ranges"
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Data Range in Calc
On 07/07/16 14:37, Pat Brown wrote: Every year I open a new sheet in Calc to record data from a new year. The layout remains exactly the same each year, only the data changes. The simplest is to copy the whole of the previous year's sheet and past it into a new sheet. Then delete all the previous year's data and fill in the new data. I have two graphs on this page and this is where my problem comes in. The simplest method would be to select the graph and then change the Data Range to read from the new sheet, BUT, once a graph has been created I cannot find any way to edit the data range. Am I missing something or is this just not possible? Is it really necessary to re-create each graph from scratch? No. Double-click on the chart background to select it. Right-click on any point (or a trend line) and select "Data Ranges" -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Creating a thick line in Libre Draw and Writer
On 03/07/16 14:38, Kruno wrote: It doesn't work how we conceptualize it, but then again - it working as designed (it's not broken or a bug). The code isn't broken. The design is. I guess it's just the way it is... No. Water is wet. That really is "just the way it is". I would hope software designers are not so fatalistic. In this case, simply changing the menu function to add a new paragraph with the appropriate style and line (and a 1pt font probably) would seem a "better design". Hardly more than a few minutes work if you're into the internals. But it's by no means the only, nor the worst, craziness in LO's (inherited) design. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc: background color in cells invisible
On 10/06/16 11:14, JaquesJaquesLiverot wrote: ... Our users have a mixture of versions of Excel and LibreOffice, and I wanted to use the Excel file format because I want to password-protect the sheet (and Calc told me that I can't do that with an ODS file). Are you sure about that? 5.1.3.2 (linux) has two protection options under the Tools menu. IIRC it used to be in a different place though. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Calc - Count a "similar sequence"
[resent; for some reason the first copy's not appeared on the list. Apologies if it appears twice.] On 06/06/16 16:06, hsikkema wrote: I often do counting in a secondary column. See the attached file for a possible solution: length_of_longest_run.ods <http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4185405/length_of_longest_run.ods> A lot depends on the OP's needs. If it's a once in a blue moon computation, there's a lot to said for keeping things simple: export the salesman name column to a flat text file, and run it through 'uniq -c' (OK, 'nix-specific, but nevertheless available for windows). But the OP did actually specify "similar", not "identical", in which case one is entering very murky waters, and a precise definition of 'similar' is needed. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex "The only way is Brexit" -- anon. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: justification issues
On 30/04/16 01:20, Brian Barker wrote: Oh, and if you insert a line break (not a paragraph break) after "XXX", you will see exactly the improvement he would like to see happen by default. Brian, thanks for clarifying my intent, and verifying my observation. I'm still wondering if it's worth putting this in formally as an enhancement request -- or would it be so unlikely to get looked at that it'd not be worth the effort? -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
justification issues (was: [libreoffice-users] Libre Writer 5.1.1.3 - space correction between text words)
On 29/04/16 05:45, Brian Barker wrote:
.
Text can be distributed within lines in various ways: left aligned,
centred, right aligned, or justified. The first three modes will
maintain constant, standard spacing between words, but the last
intentionally expands spaces between words in order to fill all lines
with text between the margins. If you don't want your text justified,
don't use that mode. The mode is specified on the Alignment tabs of the
Paragraph and Paragraph Style dialogues.
Can I interject a long-standing issue here, in which LO is by no means
the sole offender?
It seems that full justification is always done linewise with no
look-ahead. What's done seems something "gather words on a line until
the next one won't fit; add spaces to this line to justify".
In pathological cases, this results in well-justified text for some
lines, plus atrocious spacing on the next line. (sample random text
below). This happens particularly in newspapers, where narrow columns
exacerbate the effect, even with hyphenation.
The cure would be to look ahead (I've seen this done using DP) and
optimise a whole paragraph at a time, rather than a line at a time. You
can simulate this with a manually-inserted line-end near the "XXX" in
the sample below (although LO will leave the unneeded space, it shows
the general effect.) The overall presentation can be much improved, but
clearly the code would be more complex and slower than now.
If anyone's doing a major overhaul of LO, this may perhaps be worth
considering.
Thoughts?
Sample: try putting this into an A4 page, 2cm margins, TNR 12pt, fully
justified). You should get 4 lines, of which the third has 3 long words
with large spacing.
F ads dfg sdfg sdffg sdfg sdfg sdf gsd fgs dfg sdfg sdf gsd fgsdf F ads
dfg sdfg sdffg sdfg sdfg sdf gsd fgs dfg sdfg sdf gsd fgsdf F ads dfg
sdfg sdffg sdfg sdfg sdf gsd fgs dfg sdfg XXX gsd fgsdf
ddd sss
dfg sdfg sdf
gsd fgs dfg sdfg sdf gsd fgsdf
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Awkward behaviour of LO Calc
On 30/03/16 14:37, Mike Scott wrote: Excel is documented as Calc's order, ie the opposite. And MS are inconsistent - VB puts exponentiation above unary - (https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/fw84t893.aspx) opposite to Excel. Oh well :-) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Awkward behaviour of LO Calc
On 30/03/16 13:52, Alex McMurchy wrote: Unless I'm misremembering my maths -2² would be +4 and -(2²) would be -4 So in my mind no bug. Just a matter of convention. Unfortunately where there's one, there's another... It seems that perl, python and php differ. Perl and python I've tried and it's so, php's manual puts exponentiation at higher precedence than unary - (http://php.net/manual/en/language.operators.precedence.php) although the ** operator is new in php 5.6 so I can't check offhand. eg mike@spock> python Python 2.7.6 (default, Jun 22 2015, 17:58:13) [GCC 4.8.2] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> print -3 ** 2 -9 Excel is documented as Calc's order, ie the opposite. Javascript seems to agree with Excel. (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Operator_Precedence) Fortran (remember that?) puts - below ** (https://www.fortran.com/F77_std/rjcnf0001-sh-6.html) that page says explicitly "For example, in the expression - A ** 2 the exponentiation operator (**) has precedence over the negation operator (-) The interpretation of the above expression is the same as the interpretation of the expression - (A ** 2) " Oddly, I can't find any strictly /mathematical/ guideline! Anyone have the maths students' guide to operator precedence? It looks as though opinion is divided. I'd suggest always using brackets to be sure and clear. In any case, it really needs documenting for Calc. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Awkward behaviour of LO Calc
On 29/03/16 11:45, Regina Henschel wrote: ... To force a result of -4 you need to tell Calc, that the minus is a binary operator. The formula "=0-2^2" would do that. Of course changing such behavior will cause a hell lot of trouble in existing documents… but perhaps the operator precedence should be explicitly specified on the wiki ? The precedence is defined in ODF http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part2.html#Operators Doubtless so. But of little comfort to the hapless user, expecting a more mathematical convention: mike@spock> perl -e 'print -3**2, "\n"' -9 Oh well. Caveat programmer, I suppose. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Awkward behaviour of LO Calc
On 29/03/16 09:38, lorieul wrote: Hello to all, I have found a fancy behavior of Calc but I cannot decide whether it is a bug or a "feature". Hence I was looking for your advice before posting a bug report (if required). 1. Open LO Calc 2. In A1 enter formula "=1-2^2" and press enter key The result shown is -3 which is ok since 1-2² = 1-(2²) = 1-4 = -3 3. In A2 enter formula "=-2^2" and press enter key I would expect this to be treated as -2² = -(2²) = -4 But Calc considers it as (-2)² = +4 Quite obviously, a work around is to define the formula as "=-(2^2)" which indeed returns -4 I've checked the wiki page dedicated to operators [1] but it does not give much information on operator precedence. From my standpoint, both examples show an inconsistent behavior of Calc. For me, either we should have both 1-2^2 = 1+4 = 5 and -2^2 = +4 Or we should have both 1-2^2 = 1-4 = -3 and -2^2 = -4 However, perhaps some of you have a different view point on the matter ? In other words, is that a bug or is it perfectly normal ? It looks as though someone has been following a bad example. A quick search brings up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations which says "There exist differing conventions concerning the unary operator − (usually read "minus"). In written or printed mathematics, the expression −3^2 is interpreted to mean 0 − (3^2) = −9 but in Microsoft Office Excel (and other spreadsheet applications) and the programming language bc, unary operators have a higher priority than binary operators" Contrary to, eg, perl. Ouch! Quite contrary to expectation. Here lie monsters :-) -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: No indent in footnotes
On 23/03/16 13:54, Urmas wrote: "anne-ology": How can this be the fault of the USofA ??? In Europe, footnotes have the same indent as the text body, and their markers are superscripted. It was LO behavior too, until some American changed it into the mess we have today. Without commenting on either PoV, does this not suggest that footnote formatting (and probably other similar issues) should have a default controlled by the locale? -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] LO ver. 5.1.0.3 calc - missing menu functions
On 09/03/16 07:29, Graham Luffrum wrote:
Tom
You will find all these items under "Sheet". The built-in help seems to be
out-of-date.
Graham
On 8 March 2016 at 23:31, Tom Cloyd <tomcloydm...@gmail.com> wrote:
This upgrade has destroyed the functionality of a spreadsheet I utterly
depend upon throughout my day.
So far, here is what I've discovered, in a mere few minutes working with
it, and this is just on the main menu ("file, edit", etc.):
* INSERT: missing - "Cells, Rows, Columns, Sheet" - LO Help says they are
there. Look at "Inserting rows", etc. But they are not.
* EDIT: missing - the "Fill > Series" function. Again, LO help says it's
there - Look at "filling;cells, automatically". But it's not.
This is a disaster for me. I'm reverting to previous version, just so I can
get my work done.
Graham's right of course. In fact, it takes less than a minute to find
the information in the online release notes.
BUT - I do have to sympathise with the OP's situation; things really
shouldn't move around like this without warning the hapless user.
Zero-order solution: how about a simple link from the 'Help' menu to the
release notes, plus a popup on first running a new version to remind the
user?
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Re: [libreoffice-users] 5.1.1 breaks anchored-as-character frames
On 03/03/16 13:41, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Scott schrieb: [..] Is there a way of reverting to an earlier 5.x? Synaptic doesn't offer these, and makes switching versions something close to agonizingly hard. Thanks. I can easily make an administrative installation of any version I want on Windows, which do not influence each other. Is that not possible on Linux? Probably yes, but not by using the PPAs which are supposed to keep life simple and consistent. Or at least I don't know how which isn't quite the same thing :-) Looking at the LO downloads page, 'still' seems to be 5.0.5, and 'fresh' older than what the LO PPA is serving up. But synaptic lists a good dozen or twenty installed packages to do with LO, and no doubt getting packages out of sync could be "interesting". If no-one else has seen this, I guess I'll have to deinstall the lot, and try (probably) 'fresh' to see what happens. And then log a bug report, although my experience with bugzilla from the OOo days was far from happy :-( Thanks. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
(resolved) Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: 5.1.1 breaks anchored-as-character frames
On 03/03/16 14:57, Peter Maunder wrote: If you really want to install older versions of LibO, https://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/4.2.8.2/ will point you to 4.2.8, although I would not commender going back to these older versions. The normal download site currently gives the options of 5.04, 5.0.5 and 5.1.0. Remember that all of these versions will use the same .config/libreoffice file with Ubuntu/Mint. Are you sure your problems are with the version of LibO and not the installation itself or problems with the config file?...Peter I think things have been changing even as I've been working, because I tried just a few minutes ago to download the 5.1.1 development version, and got 'target not found'. I've just checked again, and it's now there for download. But anyway, I've tried the following: 5.1.0.3 (downloaded) works (and is where I'll stick for now) 5.1.1.1~rc2 (LO PPA reinstated) now works although the line spacings look subtly different. I'm not sure if this was exactly the version I was using before though when it failed so badly - as I've noted above, things have been changing as I work. 4.x (ubuntu PPA) works, but line spacing is different from 5.1.0.3 I'm not sure pushing out development versions in a PPA is such a brilliant idea. Having had my fingers burnt, I've removed the LO PPAs from synaptic, and will upgrade manually from now on. Thanks all; sorry it's been a bit of a time waster. If nothing else, I've learned a bit more about dpkg and friends! -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 5.1.1 breaks anchored-as-character frames
On 03/03/16 14:47, Robert Funnell wrote: As can be seen here, using Linux Mint and the Swedish language as an example, there's no problem selecting earlier versions of *LO* to download (scroll to the bottom of the page to select the desired version) : https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?type=deb-x86_64==sv I don't know how to install an old version using Synaptic and the standard package-management system, which Mike referred to, but it is possible to install software directly, as Henri describes. Quite quick to do. The only problem is that I can't see how to have two versions installed at once, so logging a bug against 5.1.1 would be a problem. FWIW 5.1.0 does behave correctly though. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] 5.1.1 breaks anchored-as-character frames
On 03/03/16 14:47, Robert Funnell wrote: As can be seen here, using Linux Mint and the Swedish language as an example, there's no problem selecting earlier versions of *LO* to download (scroll to the bottom of the page to select the desired version) : https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/?type=deb-x86_64==sv I don't know how to install an old version using Synaptic and the standard package-management system, which Mike referred to, but it is possible to install software directly, as Henri describes. Yes, I've seen that, thanks (I replied to Regina to this effect, but that seems to have been delayed). A potential issue is that synaptic has LO split across a lot of packages, and there seems some risk of conflicts but if no-one has seen my (original) problem I'll have to go the manual downgrade route. (OT) BTW, Synaptic seems to have its own problems: the 5.1.1 version I had from the LO PPA was flagged as "broken" (which I see a lot, not just for LO, and means upgrading will be a problem until I've fiddled with apt directly). Sometimes synaptic offers a downgrade option - but not for the LO PPA: I had to disable that PPA, revert to ubuntu's own (4.x), completely deinstall LO, then reinstall to downgrade. Very messy, but not an LO issue! -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] (OT-ish) gmane web access oddity
Hmmm. Within minutes of my posting an item to this list, I saw that lo.gmane.org was accessing my webserver: lo.gmane.org(80.91.229.12) - - [03/Mar/2016:13:18:07 +] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 430 lo.gmane.org(80.91.229.12) - - [03/Mar/2016:13:18:07 +] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 310 lo.gmane.org(80.91.229.12) - - [03/Mar/2016:13:18:07 +] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1" 200 27 Can't be a coincidence, I think. Normal behaviour? New? Reasonable? I'm surprised, because it means gmane is guessing a url from an email address. At least it honours robots. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] 5.1.1 breaks anchored-as-character frames
Spot of bother here. I'm creating .odt files from a home-brew application, and using LO to 'polish up' the formatting. The files contain a lot of frames anchored as characters - each has text (a chord symbol) that appears above the line of lyrics. This used to work reasonably well; the last document I had prepared is dated February 8th, and there was no issue (the was version 5.something - possibly 5.0.x, possibly 5.1.0; but I can't be sure). Today, for the same document, the frames are pretty well all positioned in the same wrong place, the text is invisible, and they have a box (the style says no box). With some effort, I've reverted back from 5.1.1 (from the LO PPA) to 4.2.8.2 (from the ubuntu PPA) and now things are more or less working as they used to. So something's broken since mid-Feb - presumably LO as my files haven't changed. Anyone else having problems, or can shed light please? Is there a way of reverting to an earlier 5.x? Synaptic doesn't offer these, and makes switching versions something close to agonizingly hard. Thanks. (Mint 17, btw, in case it's relevant) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] unwanted 'document recovery' dialogue (was: Re: Cannot delete horizontal red line)
On 19/01/16 16:24, R. Diez wrote: ... Not unheard of. 8-) In fact, when closing Writer, both on Linux and Windows, I often get a "LibreOffice Document Recovery" dialog. "Due to an unexpected error, LibreOffice crashed.". "The following files will be recovered", and then an empty list of files. If then leaves the lock file ".~lock.CannotSelectRedLine.odt#" behind. If happens if I change the document and then undo the changes and don't save it to disk, then close LibreOffice Writer. That's been happening to me ever since I moved to 5 (5.0.4.2 to be precise). Using Mint 17. Never an issue with 4.whatever-it-was. I use Writer, save and exit, and am occasionally immediately greeted by the recovery dialogue followed (IIRC) by the generic LO startup window. Anyone else noticed this? It's not repeatable to order, and is quite unpredictable. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] precision of Draw dimensions - 3 place
On 18/11/15 21:52, dave boland wrote: On Wed, Nov 18, 2015, at 02:13 PM, Brian Barker wrote: At 13:48 18/11/2015 -0500, Dave Boland wrote: I want to locate a line 1/8-inch (0.125") from the margin. LOD truncates that to 0.13". Is there a way to get 3-places? Is that LOD as distinct from LOW, LOC, LOI, LOB, etc.? o Go to Tools | Options... | LibreOffice Draw | General | Scale. o Set "Drawing scale" to 1:10. o Locate your line at 1.25". I trust this helps. Nope. The line is set to 0.13" from the margin. Looks like this is a long-standing unfixed issue: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11=9688 (from 2008) If you work in mm, the 2 decimal places the GUI so unreasonably forces will give a precision of 10μm. Not altogether convenient for the "traditionally minded" among us though :-) -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: precision of Draw dimensions - 3 place
On 19/11/15 15:39, V Stuart Foote wrote: No, the all measurements in the StarOffice -> OpenOffice Draw/Impress legacy are derived from raster screen bitmap graphics which has maintained the text "print" centric practice and uses a smallest "Field_Unit" of twips for calculations of placement onto the canvas. A twip (1/1440") --from Postscript 1/72" point-- is a screen independent value converted (and rounded) in calculating vertex placements as pixel dimensions. There are routines to convert measurement from twip to mm or inch--but they are equally imprecise for use in CAD. Meaning there is no history for vector based measurements (vertex, angles, radius, and distances) needed for CAD. What is provided is all geared to rendering bitmap onto a raster canvas--for resample to screen pixels. So, the "arbitrary" lack of precision is a function of the resampling to "fit" bitmap elements to pixels of a raster screen. wo Floating point precision of measurements remains much less significant than performance for rendering the twip derived document canvas. Yes there was a tradeoff, but an easy one to make. If you need the precision for CAD you want a program designed to handle vectors under the hood, not bitmaps--period! Whatever the internals within LO, the present behaviour is irrational. Yes, obviously everything /eventually/ has to be adjusted some arbitrary grid size. However, there's no reason at all for arbitrary roundings before printing. In particular, I've just experimented to see what's stored. I draw a single line and position it (or try to!) at 1.234cm from the margin (itself set at 1cm). I do this twice, with units set to cm (which forces a rounding to 2.34cm) and them mm (retains 2 dp's in/mm/ this time). The generated contents.xml has a draw:line element, whose position is in the first case svg:x1="2.23cm" and in the second svg:x1="2.234cm". So the They really, really ought to be the same. If the user chooses to work in cm, mm, or cubits, the available physical precision should nevertheless be ultimately defined by what the printing system can do. OTOH, if the stored measurements are rounded to some arbitrary grid, then my two files should have the same rounded content. Final experiment. Set the units to feet - and see how the precision drops to about 3mm because the entries are rounded by the GUI to 2 dp in feet. Rational behaviour? Not from a user's POV. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] precision of Draw dimensions - 3 place
On 19/11/15 13:20, dave boland wrote: Thanks all. If I make a suggestion to LO - add some more CAD abilities to Draw such as higher precision. LOD is a very useful program, and could be even more useful. Agreed. The problem's all in the GUI - the generated xml seems able to use arbitrary precision - so should be easily enough fixable. The truly galling thing (to me) is that someone, somewhen, made a concious decision /and put effort into the code/ to do the rounding. Unwarranted work with an unwanted result. No doubt the same one who also provided the option of units of miles or km, and "Lines" - whatever they are. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Frames v text boxes
On 10/11/15 04:52, Brian Barker wrote: At 13:41 09/11/2015 +, Malcolm Moore wrote: Is there a guide ( or knowledgeable person ) that can show the pros and cons of frames v text boxes. . A knowledgeable person? That's probably not me, but I'd suggest that text objects may be useful for the odd piece of disconnected, displayed text, whereas frames are a much more flexible way to handle blocks of text. In particular: o Text objects can be rotated, whereas frames appear not to have this facility. The interesting thing is that internally text boxes and frames appear to be pretty well identical in structure. Each appears implemented in the xml as a "" item within a "" item. However, the frame's frame has a style derived from the "Frame" style; the text box's frame's style has no parent. A quick bit of editing on content.xml to graft in the text box's style name (gr1 in my case) instead of the frame's style (fr1) converts the frame into a text box -- no outside border, and rotations allowed. I have no idea what it might be about the "Frame" style that disallows rotation. (Or, indeed, why anyone would wish to disallow this in the first place.) I'm sure this must be documented somewhere. All I've done is look at content.xml, and potter a bit for a few minutes, so may well be missing something important. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Tooo many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...
On 15/10/15 16:00, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to everyone so far :)) Thanks Anne-ology! :) I get the impression that some email-clients, maybe Thunderbird, ignores the words in the subject line and uses something from the coding in the headers (which are usually hidden). Using subject (and presumably date and possibly any "re" prefix) will always break. I believe the proper way is to use the message-id and in-reply-to headers to reconstruct the thread. Thunderbird does this for me - except on emails from this list, which leads me to suspect the LO list processor is tinkering with something it shouldn't. Irritating. IMBW. I know that Forwarding an email "breaks it out" into a new thread but i've not tried breaking it out in this way but then using the same subject-line. I imagine that differnt email-clients would handle that very differently from each other. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: file dialogue choice
On 10/10/15 14:30, Graham Luffrum wrote: Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still have the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues. Curious. I've got "Version: 5.0.2.2 Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8)" running on Qiana 64 bit. I used to have system-style dialogues set; since upgrading from (iirc) 5.0.1.x it's switched itself to LO dialogues. At help.libreoffice.org/Common/Open_1, I'm told "To activate the LibreOffice Open and Save dialog boxes, choose Tools - Options - LibreOffice- General, and then select the Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Open/Save dialogs area" which roughly corresponds with my recollection about how I switched away from LO dialogues in the first place. The problem I have, is that that tab (nor any other) simply does not have that setting available on it. I see only areas labelled "Load", "Save" and "Default File Format and ODF Settings" each with a number of checkboxes. Nothing anywhere to restore my preferred dialogue box style. Anyone any idea how to switch back please? -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: file dialogue choice
On 10/10/15 15:02, Mike Scott wrote: On 10/10/15 14:30, Graham Luffrum wrote: Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still have the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues. Curious. I've got "Version: 5.0.2.2 Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8)" running on Qiana 64 bit. I used to have system-style dialogues set; since upgrading from (iirc) 5.0.1.x it's switched itself to LO dialogues. ... Anyone any idea how to switch back please? OK. I see what's happened. Seems the upgrade didn't for whatever reason provide a compatible version of libreoffice-gnome. Installing that fixers the issue. And (for the sharp-eyed) there are two options tabs titled "General". I did look at both (honest!), although I specifically referred to the wrong one on my posting. I wonder if a warning in the help file might be in order that the extra package is needed. (I see that LO-presenter-console, LO-avmedia-backend-gst and a handful of other LO extras are also not upgraded. Time to do some fixing...) -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice
On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Mike Scott wrote: On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote: ... This is outstandingly horrible ! Yes. My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at the end of the week: . It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape are now selected ( but greyed out again ) Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning. Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and File|Save is greyed out). That depends on the settings: - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document modified" status and: - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even when the document is not modified Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings are actually used next time the document is opened. Mark. Hmmm. I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread over too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to find what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help file isn't very helpful. There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each of Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the printer via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In Impress, it's greyed out. In Writer, it's available. (Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.) To add more annoyance, as part of trying to get my own brochure issue sorted, I upgraded to 5.0.2.2. A minor upgrade, yet it's changed the file load/save dialogues to LO's own. The option to revert to (my preference) the system dialogues has apparently gone. The information at https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents#System_File_Dialogs_or_LibreOffice_Dialogs is clearly now wrong. It's not helpful to do this to the poor user!!! -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress
On 09/10/15 09:31, Malcolm Moore wrote: Hi, Yes the printer does A3 and borderless Creating an A3 presentation ( Format page / Page ) will not print as A3 it always comes out as A4. Using 'Use only paper tray from printer preferences' means it prints landscape but it is still on A4 As Regina said, you also need to set 'use only paper /size/ from...' as well. Otherwise I see the same symptom (landscape, and size locked to A4). BTW, Impress seems to pick its size differently from Draw, which chooses a more useful default of A3 for an A3 drawing. Haven't we only just been here? :-) :-) :-) I suggest again that the Print dialogue could use some improvement in this area. An A3 Writer document prints as expected Ta Mal From: Regina Henschel <rb.hensc...@t-online.de> . For to enable the printer settings you need to check the options "Use only paper tray from printer preferences" and "Use only size form printer preferences" in the tab "Options". Kind regards Regina -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress
On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote: ... This is outstandingly horrible ! Yes. My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at the end of the week: . It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape are now selected ( but greyed out again ) Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning. Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and File|Save is greyed out). However, if the print stuff is set up, and then a substantive change is made followed by a save, the print info is saved as well. But if you need to change it again, you have to go through the whole procedure again. At least it seems that way after a quick experiment. -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] brochure printing RESOLVED
On 07/10/15 19:57, Regina Henschel wrote: Have you really checked both options "Use only paper tray from printer preferences" and "Use only size form printer preferences" in the tab "Options"? After this options are enabled, the settings in the printer properties should be enabled. Duhh! I've just looked back, and that's exactly what you said originally. And I didn't. Sorry - and yes, that fixes it; thank you (twice!) But - isn't this a bit of an odd user interface? You set the brochure option on /this/ tab, enable setting the paper size on /that/ tab, then click a button on yet another tab to open the dialogue to actually set the size. Could this not be tidied up? (And the defaults must have changed - I'm sure I've never had to worry about this before) Nor, AFAICS, is this mentioned anywhere in the help file (which I did read!) Incidentally, I notice that the 'brochure' setting now is stored with the document (it used not to be), as is 'Use only paper tray' whereas "Use only size from printer preferences" isn't saved and needs resetting every time the document is opened. But thankfully the paper size and orientation are saved. Curious design. Anyway, problem solved; apologies again, and thanks for your patience. -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] brochure printing
Can someone settle my mind please here? Has the page size setup changed at some point for doing brochure printing from Writer? I don't do this too often, so my memory may be wrong. However, I find this week that to make an A5-size booklet, I need to create A4 pages with scaled up contents, that are then scaled down [factor sqrt(2)] by LO and printed 2-up on A4 paper when 'brochure' is selected. Paper size and orientation is greyed out in the print dialogue. I'm pretty certain (and the one example I can find from OOo days in 2006 seems to bear this out) that once upon a time, I'd have had to create an A5 document, specify A4 landscape paper, and brochure mode would then print my A5 pages unscaled, 2-up. Is my memory wrong? If things have changed, what was the rationale? - the latter way seem IMO much more convenient. Thanks!! -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
