Re: [libreoffice-users] i have questions about licensing in libreoffice.

[fudmer rieley]

The Oracle purchase of Sun allows oracle to claim ownership in
application software which the whole world contributed to? 
Is that correct?

Under prior patent law, it was not the first to file but the first 
to invent the objects of a patent that had the valid claim to 
actual patent rights?  Under current law, I understand it 
now to be the first to file gets all?  Is that correct.

How does patent law work?  

A claim is made by filing the claim with the patent authority
 

Who has a valid claim one who invents or one who files.

Think of it this way.. 

MR. Island discovers how to make an island from the sand
found at the ocean bottom..  Mr. Island uses his discovery 
to produce a brand new island the size of the USA State 
of say Georgia, The Island is now in the middle of the 
Atlantic Ocean 450 miles off the shore of New York City. 
between London and New York City.  

Dr. Patent, LLB, a Lawyer, sees that the mind of Mr.
Island has produced [invented] a very valuable method, 
A method that many people would pay a lot of money to
know about because they too want to build their own 
private Island in the middle of the ocean.  

Dr. Patent tells his congress, look guys I want to own the 
method Mr.  Island invented, please change the law so 
that i can own his method.  

Congress debated the issue and decided that many wealthy
people would like to own the products (inventions) of other
people´s minds; so Congress passed  a law that lets the
person who want to own the Island and the person who desire 
to own the useful method invented by someone, to be able to
claim ownership in the Island and in the method to produce
the island. 

Tangible property law created, out of thin air, ownership 
rights based on boundary of the property.
To claim ownership in the Island file that claim in the form 
of a deed.  

Intangible property law created, out of thin air, ownership 
rights in useful ways to do something. 
To claim ownership in the method used to build the Island,
file a patent. 


So on with the story, 
 
So to claim ownership in the Island (Mr. Island built) Dr. 
Patent filed a deed, and had a judge order Mr. Island off
the Island, because the island is now owned by Dr. Patent
This is so, Dr. Patent told the judge, because I have the only
deed ever filed to claim ownership in the land. Mr. island 
has no deed.   The judge had no choice but to evict Mr. 
Island. 

Dr. Patent told Mr. Island, if you will file a claim of ownership
(that is, a patent) in the method used (invented) to build
your Island, I will pay you enough for it, so you can live
comfortably ever after (say $1 million USD)-.   

Mr. Island was broke having been kicked off his own Island
so he signed the patent claim Dr. Patent wrote up for him, 
with the Patent office.  The patent office issued to Mr. 
Island a patent, which Mr Island then sold to Dr. Patent
for $1 Million USD). 

So Mr. Island went to another place in the Atlantic and 
used the method Mr. island invented to build another 
Island.. and filed  a deed claiming he owned it.  

As soon as Mr. Island moved onto his new Island, Dr. 
Patent filed a patent lawsuit, claiming Mr. Island, infringed
¨the method to build Islands¨ patent owned by Dr. Patent.
The patent court awarded Dr. Patent $1 million USD for 
patent infringement and ordered Mr. Island to pay 
Dr. Patent $1 million USD before the day was out.


From thin air the congress obliged Dr. Patent, and converted
public lands into private ownership by writing the 
tangible property law (DEEDs) and again from thin air
congress created a way to for investors and others to own
the products of the human mind of inventors 
(methods of doing things) intangible property law. 

Dr. Patent licensed the right to use the patent he obtained
from Mr. Island for $500,000; thus far 50 islands have been
built using Mr. Islands method owned by Dr. Patent. 
$500,000 * 50 = $25,000,000 profit earned by Dr. Patent.


In short, Congress made it possible for Dr. Patent to steal
both Mr. Island´s Island and his invention of a method to 
build such an island. 

The story explains why the top 1% own as much as the 
entire 99% other percent own. 

Patents and deeds transfer ownership from the public to 
the private domain, and ownership transfers wealth from 
non owners. 

IANAL


On Tue, 4/18/17, toki  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] i have questions about licensing in 
libreoffice.
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017, 8:44 PM
 
 On 04/17/2017 09:01 AM, nasrin
 khaksar wrote:
 > i heard sometimes that
 openoffice license is license of oracle company.
 
 Oracle purchased Sun. That
 purchase included the trademarks, copyrights,
 and other intellectual property rights held by
 OpenOffice.org.
 
 After a
 couple of years, Oracle donated OpenOffice.org, including
 trademarks, copyright, and other intellectual
 property rights to The
 Apache Software

Re: [libreoffice-users] LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards - "Office Suite of the Year" - vote

[fudmer rieley]

I think one of the premier office suites is LO.. 
its basically amenable to anyone´s need  provided that persons
trying to use it develop sufficient understanding to use it, which 
is usually not the case.

What makes LO precious is that no one can buy it to park it.

Should Linux Questions reach to the monopoly assistance provided
by governments and others to foul LO as a major competitor..denying
user access by outlawing a better free product from a costly 
less product...?
Laws and policies which designate allowed product are monopolist.. 
 
Seems to me Linux Users might  award a wrongful Monopoly of the
y;ear award and market the reasons for the award globally.  

On Sun, 1/8/17, Tom Davies  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards - 
"Office Suite of the Year" - vote
 To: "Marc Paré" 
 Cc: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
 Date: Sunday, January 8, 2017, 6:36 PM
 
 Hi :)
 I
 think it might be more meaningful if they included MS Office
 and other
 proprietary options including
 Android and iPad options such as "Author".
 
 Many people claim that there
 are no alternatives to MS Office and that
 "even if there were" they would still
 have to use it.  Many others claim to
 have
 tried all the alternatives but that nothing is as good as MS
 Office.
 It is good to have a place that
 consistently rubbishes such idiots.
 
 Those sort of people claim that because there
 is no alternative to MS
 Office they
 couldn't possible move away from Windows.
 
 So i really think this is a
 crucial category for LinuxQuestions.com.
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
 
 
 On 8 January 2017 at 09:43,
 Marc Paré 
 wrote:
 
 > Hi all,
 >
 > The site
 LinuxQuestions.org is again offering users the chance to
 vote on
 > their "Members Choice
 Awards" categories. They are debating this year as
 to
 > whether do away with the
 "Office Suite of the Year" award, as
 LibreOffice
 > usually wins by such a wide
 margin.
 >
 > Feel free
 to add your voice and spread the word about the vote! You
 may
 > find the voting site here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/
 >
 questions/2016-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-123/
 > office-suite-of-the-year-4175596296/
 >
 > On the topic over
 whether they should close this particular category, IMO,
 > if there were no other office suite
 choices other than LibreOffice, then
 >
 closing the category would make sense. However, there are
 plenty of choices
 > in the Linux office
 suite arena and it is always nice to see how people in
 > general feel of their most favourite
 office suite. Yes, the margins are
 >
 quite wide between LibreOffice and the next second office
 suite choice,
 > however, it is always
 nice to see who is in second, third, fourth place
 > standing. It is also always nice to see
 that the work put into LibreOffice
 > is
 validated by an outpouring of its users.
 >
 > I would then suggest
 that we should not only place our vote for
 > LibreOffice, but make sure to comment on
 the page, that the "Office Suite
 >
 of the Year Award" not be closed. The category not only
 validates the
 > TDF/LibreOffice
 achievement, but also serves to validate and recognize
 > other open source/for-profit projects in
 the office suite category,
 > regardless
 of the standing. I cannot imagine how the awards scene
 would
 > look like if all other award
 organizations decided to do the same and close
 > down categories for the same reason.
 >
 > Hope you can take
 time to vote for your favourite office suite and feel
 > free to browse the other categories on the
 site.
 >
 > Cheers,
 >
 > Marc
 >
 > --
 > Marc Paré
 > m...@marcpare.com
 > http://www.parEntreprise.com
 > parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument
 Formats (ODF)
 > parEntreprise.com
 Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org
 >
 >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] i of the most disturbing things about 5.0 libreoffice

[fudmer rieley]

thanks for the reply..  
When in 16.04 I pushed  f4 or attempted data> Relative/absolute References
I got 5.1.4.2 no references found.. reply.. 
nothing else.. 

copy from one sheet to another sheet in the same and only open 
my installed Libre office calc spreadsheet session still gives a full cell by 
cell 
reference to the cells in the original copied from sheet.. 

The newly created by copy sheet its almost as it the reference is working
in reverse..  When i want something from another sheet i just type
=(sheet name, and then I find the cell in the external sheet and click on it
and hit return.  ON return I examine the formula content of the cell 
in my working sheet and find it is referenced to the copied from cell in
the external sheet..   

virtually the copy mechanism for my purposes remains useless. While 
i like some features of 5.1.4.2, it is not stable and things have been moved
around quite a bit. OK, but more documentation is needed on the help 
keys and i would be glad to help with some of that,, if needed. 

What I think is needed is standard training program.. not help in 
this place or that but in a standard place. using a standard spreadsheet
populated with a standardized set of data. 
Every cell is has the standard known content; that would allow all 
help and training to be done by example.. as the frustrated learners 
become familiar with the standard content they will grasp 
much quicker the instructional intent of the words and the numbers of
words needed to explain will be reduced by a lot as everyone will 
understand and have loaded for the instruction the standard content
training module. 

this would be extremely useful when upgrades and version changes
move things around .. It would also make it possible fore everyone to 
understand where to send persons looking for answers.. for example

got to standard training module 9ll that explains what to do or how
to and that training modules always works with the standard
content spread sheet..   
 





On Sun, 12/11/16, Bruce Hohl <bruceh...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] i of the most disturbing things about 5.0 
libreoffice
 To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" <users@global.libreoffice.org>
 Date: Sunday, December 11, 2016, 9:05 AM
 
 fudmer,
 The copy and paste results you experienced are likely due to
 the formula
 "anchoring" feature which can be set under "Sheet >
 Relative/Absolute
 References" or pressing the F4 key.  Try "un-anchoring"
 or setting cells to
 "Relative References" (no "$" in the formulas) before copy
 & paste.
 
 Absolute references ($'s) can be set for the row, column and
 /or sheet in a
 formula.  This impacts the results of copy and paste
 within a sheet,
 between sheets and between files / workbooks.  This
 feature can be quite
 useful but is a bit hard to explain so search the
 LibreOffice help for
 "relative addresses" for more information and do some tests
 to see how it
 works.
 
 
 
 On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Paolo Debortoli <paolo_debort...@yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 
 > It doesn't happen to me in LibreOffice 5.2.3.3. 
 may be you can
 > right-click destination and choose 'paste special',
 then choose from the
 > menu.  Hope this help.  Paolo
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On Friday, December 9, 2016 2:33 PM, Tanstaafl <tansta...@libertytrek.org>
 > wrote:
 > On 12/9/2016 12:13 AM, fudmer rieley <southofmex...@yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 > > so on sheet one you do a bunch of calculations
 > > and decide to copy that part of your work to the
 next sheet sheet 2
 > > then you look at the stuff in the cells on sheet
 two and they are
 > > referenced back to the sheet 1.  making
 working on sheet 2
 > > slow, difficult and rendering calc nearly
 inoperative and virtually
 > useless..
 > >
 > > LO 3.5.7.2 does not do that.. and it should not be
 done that way
 > > the sheets should be able to be copied and made
 independent of
 > > each other. Is there some way to do that?
 >
 > You'll need to explain your problem better. Can you
 provide a concrete
 > example?
 >
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[libreoffice-users] i of the most disturbing things about 5.0 libreoffice

[fudmer rieley]

Its messed up.. it does not function smoothly and if
something is posed one sheet and worked on it
for a couple of days and you want to copy part or
all of the stuff on sheet 1 to sheet 2 you discover 
that it its not possible to copy the contents of one 
sheet to another sheet in the same open Libre office  
session the new copy in sheet 2 is a reference back 
to sheet 1.. each cell in sheet 2 has appended to the 
cell numbers a reference back to the copied from 
sheet 1.  ( instead of =(2+4) nows has (sheet1.a2)
 + sheet 1.a4 so how do you make the 
data on each sheet (the copied from and the copied two
independent of each other?  


In earlier versions when you copied data and 
computations from sheet 1 to sheet 2 the data and 
computations operated 
independently of each the copied from sheet. In 5.0 
each copy references the data and calculations to the 
copied from sheet and when you make entries in sheet 2
its very very slow and but if you really want a surprise
delete the data from the copied from sheet and the data
in the copied to sheet disappears as well. What a mess..


Libre Calc  keeps things in sheets.. 

so on sheet one you do a bunch of calculations
and decide to copy that part of your work to the next sheet sheet 2
then you look at the stuff in the cells on sheet two and they are 
referenced back to the sheet 1.  making working on sheet 2 
slow, difficult and rendering calc nearly inoperative and virtually useless.. 

LO 3.5.7.2 does not do that.. and it should not be done that way
the sheets should be able to be copied and made independent of 
each other. Is there some way to do that?


I have many years experience with libre office and I am beginning 
to see it fall apart right in front of my eyeballs. Very disappointing

What a shame. 

I like 3.5.7.2 but this 5 in 64 bits is for the birds.. unless someone can fix 
it
I will go back to the earlier versions. 

I recommend 5 be redesigned to fit the earlier very successful versions of
Calc.. 

Libre office has been the world´s open source flagship.. until now.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] c/n edit out or delete some bookmark entries

[fudmer rieley]

Thank you Philip.. I should have mentioned I tried to edit it out using the 
dialog box without success.. the wrongful uneditable entries remains
no matter my attempts to remove them by either of the means you
suggest. 

I think i need to know the ¨file location¨ of the entry to see if it can be 
edited out using the command line at a shell interface in Ubuntu or 
maybe some other editing tool?   Its like the permissions have been
changed, I can see it, but cannot address it or edit it?  

_
We robots often awe the democratic republics you humans have adopted.
To us, governance of this type, centralizes power in the elite, allows the elite
to rule, to make laws, to use public resources  to print money whenever 
it is needed, and to deal both in secret and globally, in any manner they 
wish, while such governance makes public all of the activities of national 
border impounded masses and it allows the elite to organize that 
impounded mass of humanity into a rule system that can be engineered
to reward only those that pamper and serve the elite. 

It is the desire of every robot to be elected to an elite position of power
in such a Democratic Republic because then the mass of humans can be
made to serve us and we Robots can then do as we  damn well please.


 

On Mon, 12/5/16, Philip Jackson <philip.jack...@nordnet.fr> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] c/n edit out or delete some bookmark entries
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Monday, December 5, 2016, 1:22 PM
 
 On 05/12/16 18:17, fudmer
 rieley wrote:
 > 
 > I 
 Bookmark my index items and my index related content then I
 
 > hyperlink them both ways example  
 > 
 > index
 > 
 > Item
 1   
 > item 2 
 > 
 > ..
 > ..
 > 
 > 
 > Body of the work
 > content 1
 > content
 2
 > ..
 > ..
 > .
 > 
 > So that if I click on content 2 it will
 return me to item 2 and if I click on item 2
 > it will take me to content 2.  
 > 
 > to do this I have
 been using hyperlinks. 
 > so it takes two
 hyperlinks for each.. 
 > 
 > works great in all 32 bit writers I know
 about, but in my ubuntu 16.04 using
 > 
 5.1.4.2 build 1.5.1.4.-Qubuntu1 it is not smooth.. sometimes
 the hyperlink 
 > works sometimes it does
 not work.  sometimes the hyper link
 >
 looses the hyperlink text and some it loose s the target
 book mark.  
 > 
 > I
 think the problem is in the bookmark..somehow entries there
 become corrupted?
 > 
 >
 I have several item 1 type entries there that cannot be
 deleted or edited out or used by the
 >
 hyperlink 
 > 
 > I need
 these messed up entries out of my bookmarks o be able to
 make smooth in sequence my work. 
 > 
 > There is some instability somewhere.. 
 > 
 > How do I edit the
 corrupted entries from bookmarks
 > 
 Hi Fudmar,
 
 I
 do the same with a table of contents in Ubuntu 16.04 with LO
 Writer
 5.1.4.2 and it works fine.
 
 The dialog box for entering
 the link details is extremely laborious
 using a mouse and if after selecting the
 bookmark you don't click
 'apply'
 and then 'close', sometimes you may find you
 didn't get the
 right info entered into
 the 'target' box.
 
 As for deleting bookmarks, that is easy. Just
 click the bookmarks icon
 (the star) (or use
 Insert > bookmarks) and the 'Insert Bookmark'
 dialog
 box will show you a list of all
 bookmarks in the document. Highlight the
 one
 you want to delete and click the 'Delete' button.
 
 You can also check whether the
 links are correctly formed by
 right-clicking
 on the link, select 'Edit hyperlink' and in the
 dialogue
 box, check whether the target info
 corresponds with where you want to go.
 
 hth
 Philip
 
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[libreoffice-users] c/n edit out or delete some bookmark entries

[fudmer rieley]

I  Bookmark my index items and my index related content then I 
hyperlink them both ways example  

index

Item 1   
item 2 

..
..


Body of the work
content 1
content 2
..
..
.

So that if I click on content 2 it will return me to item 2 and if I click on 
item 2
it will take me to content 2.  

to do this I have been using hyperlinks. 
so it takes two hyperlinks for each.. 

works great in all 32 bit writers I know about, but in my ubuntu 16.04 using
 5.1.4.2 build 1.5.1.4.-Qubuntu1 it is not smooth.. sometimes the hyperlink 
works sometimes it does not work.  sometimes the hyper link
looses the hyperlink text and some it loose s the target book mark.  

I think the problem is in the bookmark..somehow entries there become corrupted?

I have several item 1 type entries there that cannot be deleted or edited out 
or used by the
hyperlink 

I need these messed up entries out of my bookmarks o be able to make smooth in 
sequence my work. 

There is some instability somewhere.. 

How do I edit the corrupted entries from bookmarks

thanks 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Full Path in Title Bar

[fudmer rieley]

No self - respecting robot would vote for either a Republican or a Democrat!  
I agree it would help to have the entire URL appear in the toolbar..
particularly needed is information to determine if url is https ftp ftps or
http etc not all servers use W3 standards. 

.  hiding things is the way government works,   today
your chances of finding a way to talk to a government employee
at work is about as likely as your chances of winning the lottery.




On Fri, 12/2/16, V Stuart Foote  wrote:

 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Full Path in Title Bar
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Friday, December 2, 2016, 4:48 PM
 
 arakish wrote
 > Is there a way to make LibreOffice display the file's
 full path in the
 > title bar?
 
 No, the project intentionally keeps the OS and its Desktop
 Environment
 unencumbered--and we let the OS and DE do their thing. 
 
 On Windows that means we keep the MS Windows Standard Frame
 and do not
 change default Windows application frame to show more than
 program name, and
 the file name of an open document and the standard Windows
 frame button
 widgets. [1][2]  I do not expect that we would change
 from that default here
 or for other OS/DE.
 
 Especially as you can customize a toolbar (Tools ->
 Customize: Toolbars
 tab), and show the "Load URL" widget. It is unchecked but
 available by
 default on the Standard toolbar--but personally when
 customizing I would
 move it to the end of the toolbar.
 
 =-refs-=
 [1]
 https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/bb688195(v=vs.85).aspx
 
 [2]
 http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/vcl/win/window/salframe.cxx#5663
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Version 5.2.1.2 Questions

[fudmer rieley]

in 16.04 ubuntu i see that copy and paste is failing to copy everything 
and is double pasting sometimes triple pasting.. on occassion??




On Wed, 11/30/16, Dave Liesse  wrote:

 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Version 5.2.1.2 Questions
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2016, 5:02 PM
 
 I'm noticing some behavior recently
 that I don't like.  When I installed 
 v5.2.1.2, though, I seem to have eliminated all my existing
 profile 
 information so I'm hoping that on the first item, at least,
 there's just 
 a setting that I haven't been able to find.
 
 1.  In Writer, I keep seeing "balloon" spelling
 suggestions. Can't click 
 on them to do anything, so very annoying.  Any way to
 turn them off?  I 
 haven't found anything in the options that does this.
 
 2.  Also in Writer, using an arrow to move up or down
 is not always 
 placing the cursor in the correct place on the second
 line.  For 
 example, I type a line and, at the end, press up-arrow;
 instead of the 
 cursor being at the end of that (shorter) line, it's at a
 seemingly 
 random location within the text.  For another example,
 if the cursor is 
 in the middle a line and I press up-arrow the cursor is then
 at the end 
 of the second (longer) line.  I haven't been able to
 discern a pattern.  
 Is this a known issue?  I'm not familiar enough with
 the bug reporting 
 system to find it.
 
 Since it can make a difference, I'm working in Windows 7
 Professional 
 64-bit.
 
 Thanks for any insight anyone can provide!
 
 Dave
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice

[fudmer rieley]

yes, but but libre office needs to bite into the applie ios( I pad pro). 
 







On Mon, 11/21/16, Virgil Arrington  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Transferring Markdown Documents to LibreOffice
 To: "users@global.libreoffice.org" 
 Date: Monday, November 21, 2016, 8:07 AM
 
 You can do much the same with LO
 itself.
 
 I've always loved the PDF output from LO's PDF converter.
 For some 
 reason I've never been able to figure out, its PDF output
 seems sharper 
 and crisper than the PDF output created by other programs,
 including 
 LaTeX or LyX. It may just be me.
 
 I've also been impressed with LO's HTML output. It has a
 couple 
 different options, either of which which will produce a
 fairly simple 
 HTML file which can easily be edited further with any text
 editor.
 
 And, where an OpenDocument file is needed, you have it
 without any need 
 for further conversion.
 
 I confess I'm fairly OCD when it comes to my endless search
 for the 
 perfect document creation tool (which of course doesn't
 exist). In the 
 FOSS world, I've tried everything from LO to LaTeX, LyX,
 Markdown, and 
 ReStructuredText, but I almost always come back to LO.
 
 I usually try one of the other alternatives when I need to
 do something 
 LO won't do only to learn later that LO would have done it
 quite well if 
 I had only taken the time to learn it.
 
 Virgil
 
 
 On 11/20/2016 10:41 PM, gordon cooper wrote:
 > To divert a little, but not talking about Markdown.
 >
 > We were looking for a simple way of of producing
 documents in html,
 > thought we were on the right track until some of the
 potential users
 > asked for pdf too.  We now use Lyx for the
 authoring, it produces
 > formatted text, without formatting marks having to be
 typed in.
 >
 > From the Lyx master, we output in pdf and html, with
 DVI and xhtml
 > available as options.  Where Open Document format
 is needed, the html
 > can be directly pasted in to .odt, but with one
 failing. A Table of 
 > Contents
 > in Lyx loses the page links in the paste function .
 There is an easy
 > work-around, just create a new ToC in Libre Office -
 about 4 clicks,
 > and delete the original ToC.
 >
 > Gordon Cooper
 >
 > MX-Linux Documentation Team
 > Tauranga N.Z.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Drawing electrical symbols (images on dropbox)

[fudmer rieley]

http://www.geda-project.org/
what happened to this project.  it seems to be non functional?  
Linux as a platofrm is not faring well against M*..? 
what is the problem? 

political statement as of Sept. 15, 2016

Sue Grommit, One Wake Up Lane, the Cloud.

No self - respecting robot would vote for either a Republican or a Democrat!  

Lest we shall forget ¨unchallenged¨: private power through philanthropy 
and  nonprofits (PAC money) threatens the entire democratic process
https://www.amacad.org/content/publications/pubContent.aspx?d=1049

Oligarchs use political system to divide and control Americans. The 
elected are taxpayer paid salaried officials, authorized to write the 
laws oligarchs dictate.  Elected officials force Americans to pay
$15,538 to each foreigner ($124.5 billion).  Dog saves owner, owner 
beats dog. see  http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf  and 
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html
No wonder our nation is broke.

Why should Americans believe political parties, which are composed of 
politicians, benefactors, and media enabled propaganda puppets, to be 
the proper people to designate the 527 people who shall spy on, tax, 
regulate, dictate to, and forcibly control behaviors, health, life-style 
and financial circumstances of 330,000,000 Americans?  Consider this link: 

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/37115-how-the-gop-s-cynical-
election-strategy-is-imploding

For my 70 yrs we have elected 5 of the 527 salaried puppets of the 
political parties with only down hill results.. Each election the party
Oligarchs cull out all but 527 persons, and present them on election 
ballots, for the sheep in America to select their five each votes from 
(president(1/1),VP(1 of1), senate(2/100) and house (1 vote of 425).
Adds to 527, but you get to vote for only 5 of them. Consider this link:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/02/meet-the-billionaires-
manipulating-the-u-s-presidential-election.html

NONE of these selected for you, salaried elected party puppets have 
delivered quality of life benefits to Americans.  instead they respond
to the needs of the Oligarchs.  Worse, all have participated in curtailing
much of the democracy Americans sought in defeating the British, 
and they have gone dark and hidden from view, their governing 
activities. 

These party puppets have installed hidden 24/7 technology designed to 
spy on, collect, store, and process our personal, health, and activity
data for propaganda and future prosecutorial use?  Our behavior is
micro managed by computers interacting with our lives and their laws. 

The 527 puppets of the oligarch controlled political party system have 
federalized our local school systems and our local banks, monopolized
the software and energy businesses, and moved them and the jobs that
go with them overseas. 

The 527 puppets have given our tax monies to failed Wall Street 
Oligarchs and to foreign nations, 
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/08/13/479869/US-aid-Israel-illegal-   
   (see dept of defense gag order WNP-136..) 
or they have used our taxes to conduct
secret foreign wars and when pauses occur they have invented ways to 
convert our tax money into Oligarch wealth.

According to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/media-con2.JPG 
90% of the media is controlled by 6 companies and 232 media executive.  
Scary?

In desperation, many Americans are planning to write-in on the ballot 
a single candidate to occupy each and every elected office in the USA: 
hopefully, our write in candidate will win all 527 positions to remove
once and for all the party system and their oligarchs from our nation:
  
  Sue Grommit, One Wake Up Lane, the Cloud.

  
  fudmier, 2015-16

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knowledge is bio - processed,  available information; but 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Line spacing on Writer

[fudmer rieley]

exactly how do the keys enter into the software workings in LO
. because as I understand it; a key code to  function can be 
created for nearly any desired function?  



On Wed, 9/14/16, Ricardo  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Line spacing on Writer
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2016, 3:28 AM
 
 El 2016-09-14 03:54,
 Steve Edmonds escribió:
 > On 2016-09-14
 09:04, Richard Foulk wrote:
 >>
 ​​
 >> Thank you Brian, Bruce and
 Erik for your excellent advice on how to 
 >> fix
 >> line
 spacing, and I don't know how in a billion kazillion
 years that I
 >> could ever possibly
 thank you!
 >> 
 >>           So this horse
 walks into a bar and the bartender says -- 
 >> "Hey,
 >> 
           why the long face?"
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Erik
 Jan 
 wrote:
 >> 
 >>> Bruce Hohl schreef op 06-08-16 om
 20:39:
 >>> 
  Go to "View >
 Non-Printer Characters".  This will show the
 paragraph
  breaks, etc.
  Position the cursor within a
 paragraph or select (highlight) desired
  paragraphs.
  Open "Format >
 Paragraph" and go to the "Indents & Spacing
 Tab".
  You can view and
 change spacing setting here.
  
  On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 11:49
 AM, Richard Foulk 
  
  wrote:
  
  I’m using LibreOffice Writer
 to write a novel and the line-spacing 
  is all
 > messed up. Single, 1.5,
 double-spacing all on the same page.
 > 
 > I’ve tried
 Format-spacing, Windows-paragraph and everything else -- 
 > but
 > nothing works.
 > 
 > Can you please help me?
 > 
 >   Thank you
 > 
 > What I do, is the
 following:
 >>> When I have imported
 a file from MSOffice and get problems like you 
 >>> are
 >>>
 describing, I copy (Ctrl-C) the problematic paragraph,
 delete the
 >>> problematic
 paragraph, make a new one with the desired paragraph 
 >>> style en
 >>> paste the text with
 Ctrl-Shif-Alt-V. This way of pasting deletes all
 >>> formatting from the text and
 accepts the style of the chosen 
 >>> paragraph.
 >>> Later I delete al superfluous
 Windows styles that encumber the 
 >>> document.
 >>> 
 >>> I
 hope this helps; good luck.
 >>> 
 >>> Erik
 >>>
 
 >>> 
 > I found
 my documents (LO) accumulated a pile of rubbish, styles,
 etc.
 > from documents I import from.
 Copy/pasting from word docs copies the
 >
 styles into the LO doc.
 > When I merge
 content from multiple documents (.doc, .docx, .odt, PDFs)
 > into my documents I use an intermediary
 document to cleanse the
 > copy/pasted
 content and apply the styles I want before copy/pasting
 > again into my final document and this way
 my final document only has
 > the look and
 styles I want.
 > steve
 
 Ctr-Shift-Alt-V (yes, a four
 key "shortcut") do the same than Paste 
 special → Without formatting so it gives you
 a "clean" text ;)
 
 Regards,
 Ricardo
 
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Internal Bookmarks

[fudmer rieley]

does this solution.. require that all subsequent entries 
made to footnotes must follow the field tabbed sequence?
if not, how does LO distinguish between a field entry and 
and a text entry.. 




On Thu, 9/8/16, Regina Henschel  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Internal Bookmarks
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Thursday, September 8, 2016, 5:10 AM
 
 Hi Jonathan,
 
 Jonathan Allen schrieb:
 > Dear List,
 >
 > A document I am writing needs to have
 internal references in its footnotes
 >
 and I really need to be able to keep these automatically
 up-to-date with
 > the page numbers. 
 They would look this (here ascii-fied):
 >
 >     [176]
 6.4.2 Session Highlights, 47
 >
 > I expect to provide the section number and
 title, but the page number '47'
 >
 in the example above ought to track from the text itself.
 
 Do not write anything
 manually; use "Fields".
 
 >
 > How can I plant the
 marker in the original text and then reference it
 > in the footnote?
 
 There exists a lot of predefined markers, and
 therefore you seldom need 
 to set bookmarks
 manually.
 
 After you have
 used Insert -> Footnote/Endnote your Cursor is in the 
 footnote area. Now use Insert -> Field ->
 More Fields... -> tab "Cross 
 references". In your case you need the
 Type "Headings".
 
 In the part "Selection" select the
 heading for which you will enter a 
 reference. In the part "Insert reference
 to" you can select what 
 information of
 the referenced heading will be shown. In your case you 
 need to insert the reference three times, each
 with a different 
 information. First use
 "Number" to get "6.4.2", second use
 "Reference" 
 to get "Sessions
 Highlights", and third use "Page" to get
 "47".
 
 All will
 update automatically, if you made changes in the text, for
 
 example change the wording of the heading
 or insert/delete text parts 
 which will
 affect the number or page.
 
 Kind regards
 Regina
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

[fudmer rieley]

Yes, but there is in the open source community a lack of the kind of
open source that brought to the world such things as Linux and 
Libre office..its called need..  

need has a market.. if i were running the open source.. i would give
some real thought to getting potential users to vote for a product
or a product change.. in advance.. the build it they will come does
not work well.. instead  should me it is needed there we will 
build it.. 

For example a few years back if anyone had said I will develop
an alternative spreadsheet to compete with the vendors our here,
as soon as 100,000 send in $20 each.. 

That money would have been 100,000 sales.. and each person
would be tell developers what it is that got their $20 bucks. 

Right now if someone were do that with CAD, Libre Cad lacks so
much, it is hard to call it competitive, I mean it cannot really 
compete with the commercial cad ware out there
I would bet 500,000 people would any up $20 around the globe. 

Make a product on a dedicated os, so that the os is never a problem
its invisible to the cad and it will reduce commercial cad to about the
level of commercial word processors. 

the market must pay, but there is no need for a vendor to 
discover a market need, then get a patent, lobby the government
 and then get to government to make it a monopoly so the 
vendor can force the market to pay

Linux was a project in which everyone that could participated.. 
because the need for such a product was extremely in need. 






On Sun, 9/4/16, toki  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Sunday, September 4, 2016, 8:49 AM
 
 On 03/09/2016 11:50, CVAlkan wrote:
 
 > Is this a case of "Where there's smoke ..."
 
 Pretty much since AOo entered the Apache fold, it has had
 problems.
 Some were major, such as no release manager for months. Some
 were minor,
 such as an inability to produce documentation.
 
 As far as actual retirement goes, and being kicked into the
 Attic goes.
 That won't happen this year.
 
 However, the following quotes from https://db.apache.org/newproject.html
 apply to all Apache Projects, especially podlings:
 * «Orphaned products. Products which have lost their
 corporate sponsor
 (for whatever reason) do not make good candidates. These
 products will
 lack a development community and won't have the support
 needed to
 succeed under the DB umbrella»;
 * «Reliance on salaried developers. DB has strong ties to
 the business
 community. Many of our developers are encouraged by their
 employers to
 work open source projects as part of their regular job. We
 feel that
 this is a Good Thing, and corporations should be entitled to
 contribute
 to open source, same as anyone else. However, we are wary of
 products
 which rely strongly on developers who only work on open
 source products
 when they are paid to do so. A product at DB must continue
 to exist
 beyond the participation of individual volunteers. We
 believe the best
 indicator of success is when developers volunteer their own
 time to work
 open source projects.»
 
 When AOo went into incubation at AFS, it was an orphaned
 project, with
 an over-reliance of paid developers from IBM. When IBM
 pulled the plug
 on AOo development, AOo development came to standstill.
 As such, the long term prognosis of AOo is not good.
 
 Gilles wrote:
 
 >Apache has taken an unreasonable amount of time to clean
 up all the
 code - in particular licenses
 
 The initial code clean up was specifically to verify the
 providence of
 each line of code:
 * That the line of code was correctly licensed;
 * That The Apache Software Foundation had the legal right to
 use the code;
 * That The Apache Software Foundation had the moral right to
 use the code;
 This type of code verification always takes a long time ---
 as in one
 hour per line of code.
 
 The net result is that if there are any legal challenges to
 the code,
 ASF can say: "Here is the code in question, and here is our
 legal right
 to use the code".
 
 Two things that the code clean up did not do were:
 * Identify algorithms that might infringe upon existing
 patents. Under
 current US Patent Law, this is extremely
 counter-productive;
 * Identify algorithms that infringe upon copyright, as
 defined in Oracle
 v. Google, (United States Court of Appeals for the Federal
 Circuit,
 2013-1021, 1022, Decided: May 9, 2014. SCOTUS 14-410
 2015-06-29 Petition
 Denied.){In fairness to ASF, this definition of copyright
 was
 unexpected. IMNSHO, it was an incredibly bad decision on the
 part of the
 court --- on a par with the Appellate Court ruling that if
 you buy a DVD
 in Colorado, you buy the copyright for the DVD.
 
 >It would be a good thing FOR EVERYBODY if Apache decided
 to officially
 call it quits on OOo,
 
 Right now, there are a dozen things that AOo can do, that
 LibO can't do.
 These are 

Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)

[fudmer rieley]

One more reason to contribute  occasionally to the Libre office development 
teams. 




On Sat, 9/3/16, Xen  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Goodbye to Open Office (maybe?)
 To: users@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Saturday, September 3, 2016, 8:01 AM
 
 CVAlkan schreef op
 03-09-2016 13:50:
 > For those who
 haven't seen this:
 > 
 > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/09/openoffice-after-years-of-neglect-could-shut-down/
 > 
 > Is this a case of
 "Where there's smoke ..."
 
 The LibreOffice developers that split off
 refused to contribute code 
 under the
 "Oracle" license and according to the words of
 Mark 
 Shuttlworth "made their work
 hell". (Made the work hell of the remaining 
 paid Oracle employees).
 
 Since also LibreOffice was allowed to take code
 from ApacheOffice but 
 not in reverse (due
 to it restrictive license) (LibreOffice had a 
 license that forbade it from being given back
 to Apache/Oracle 
 OpenOffice) any updates
 only flowed in one way and provided the doom for 
 OpenOffice.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Where is everyone?

[fudmer rieley]

http://truscribe.com/products/

does anyone know if there is an open source product that can perform this on a 
linux
os.. ?  

next..  

Is there anyone on this list that can support a high volume email server on an 
amazon platform// 


Open source needs to get to cracking on the cad / cam software

bricad is excellent but it does not handle architecture very well.  

it may not take much to develop an architecture front end to bricad 
someone interested to work on this.. 

Also we need a good  math package type program  

the future is in animation.. sensory systems robotics linked to intelligent
cognitive software.. 

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