Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
On 01/02/2012 19:51, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 01.02.2012 19:36, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: All of you. Thanks very much for your kindness to bother answering - and for the very interesting discussions. My conclusion is that LO-Base (and OO-Base ?) is not yet - and perhaps will not be as mentioned in the desciption at LO-Wikipedia: A database management program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_program, similar to Microsoft Access .. etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access. The difference amounts to a multi-million Dollar budget and a decade of development. OOo Base was maintained by 2 Sun/Oracle employees. It is similar to Access. Access is named Access because you can access databases with it. In *addition* Access provides the JET database engine which embeds a database backend in the frontend file. Unfortunately, most people work with JET which is why Access has a bad reputation among professionals. I've seen very nice Access frontends for MySQL databases. We use LO base and MySQL also with very nice results :-) Base connects ODF documents with databases. In *addition* it can embed a HSQLDB into the frontend file which is basically a zip archive with configuration and Writer documents. Unfortunately, most people use the embedded HSQLDB which is why Base has such a bad reputation. If you ever had created some relational database backend using any database specific, mature tool for the database, you would acknowledge how straight-forward Base connects your database with this office suite. Simply do your database with a database program. Base is not a database program. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Am 01.02.2012 08:43, Alex Thurgood wrote: And I would state that that is an unusual user setup. The user here wants a relational database with subforms and reports and does not want to use mysql, so where does that leave him her with regard to Base - IMO, with HSQLDB, the stock db engine provided with LO. For that, you need a JRE/JDK. And we all know why one must not use the built-in HSQLDB for productive databases. The so called Base document with its built-in HSQLDB is the most horrible face-palm feature since OOo 2.0. And Calc for reports is OK, much as is Writer, but for anything a bit more than a simple report, the user will have to deal with not only the idiosyncrasies of the respective tool used for creating the report, plus, in general, learn to use macros. The whole benefit of having a specific reporting tool (the Java based ORB extension) is that this is suppose to ease that pain. I hardly ever use any macros at all. I simply use Calc's database ranges with registered data sources as they are intended to be used. Without a single line of macro code I open a document through a hyperlink button on a form, confirm a dialog to refresh unsaved import ranges and get a brand new collection of nicely formatted reports and charts. Personally, I'd love to be able to say, you get a great and easy to use db reporting engine without Java in LO, but that is simply not the case at the moment. Calc provides all kinds of calculations and charting based on dynamically changing import ranges (much better than with spreadsheet data). Data pilots provide a second type of database report. Things do simply *work* with Calc as report engine. If things really *work*, I don't care too much about the perfect look. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
All of you. Thanks very much for your kindness to bother answering - and for the very interesting discussions. My conclusion is that LO-Base (and OO-Base ?) is not yet - and perhaps will not be as mentioned in the desciption at LO-Wikipedia: A database management program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_program, similar to Microsoft Access .. etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access. Its really pity because I think the usability of databases is underrated; quite ordinary people should have plenty of use of databases in their every day life if there only were free, easy installed, easy customized templates and some efforts on marketing. I just got a fancy idea that LO-/OO-Base could be that user-friendly solution. Anyway, I still feel it worth trying to see if there should be a way to get my 32bit LO-Base working! I agree. I am a 72 years oldtimer with a pure interest to keep up. When in office until about 10 years ago I worked quite a lot with MSAccess and VBA macros and got somewhat familiar with SQL too. MSAccess alone was enough for quite complicated projects with informative forms/reports and analyses. So now it is not the MySQL/SQLite, it is the PHP-language and getting the MySQL/PHP/Apache combination working that I feel uncomfortable - I also have tried WASP. Again - thanks and all the best! Pertti Rönnberg On 1.2.2012 9:43, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 31/01/2012 22:07, Andreas Säger a écrit : Hi Andreas, Am 31.01.2012 20:16, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Yes, the dependency on Java JRE/JDK is a pain in the backside, but unfortunately unavoidable if you want to use Base, at least for the time being. With no Java being installed, I can connect a Base document to any non-Java database, write queries, draw input forms and use Calc as reporting engine. And I would state that that is an unusual user setup. The user here wants a relational database with subforms and reports and does not want to use mysql, so where does that leave him her with regard to Base - IMO, with HSQLDB, the stock db engine provided with LO. For that, you need a JRE/JDK. And Calc for reports is OK, much as is Writer, but for anything a bit more than a simple report, the user will have to deal with not only the idiosyncrasies of the respective tool used for creating the report, plus, in general, learn to use macros. The whole benefit of having a specific reporting tool (the Java based ORB extension) is that this is suppose to ease that pain. Personally, I'd love to be able to say, you get a great and easy to use db reporting engine without Java in LO, but that is simply not the case at the moment. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Hi :) A big +1 Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 1/2/12, Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi wrote: From: Pertti Rönnberg p...@elisanet.fi Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Cc: Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, 1 February, 2012, 18:36 All of you. Thanks very much for your kindness to bother answering - and for the very interesting discussions. My conclusion is that LO-Base (and OO-Base ?) is not yet - and perhaps will not be as mentioned in the desciption at LO-Wikipedia: A database management program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_program, similar to Microsoft Access .. etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access. Its really pity because I think the usability of databases is underrated; quite ordinary people should have plenty of use of databases in their every day life if there only were free, easy installed, easy customized templates and some efforts on marketing. I just got a fancy idea that LO-/OO-Base could be that user-friendly solution. Anyway, I still feel it worth trying to see if there should be a way to get my 32bit LO-Base working! I agree. I am a 72 years oldtimer with a pure interest to keep up. When in office until about 10 years ago I worked quite a lot with MSAccess and VBA macros and got somewhat familiar with SQL too. MSAccess alone was enough for quite complicated projects with informative forms/reports and analyses. So now it is not the MySQL/SQLite, it is the PHP-language and getting the MySQL/PHP/Apache combination working that I feel uncomfortable - I also have tried WASP. Again - thanks and all the best! Pertti Rönnberg On 1.2.2012 9:43, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 31/01/2012 22:07, Andreas Säger a écrit : Hi Andreas, Am 31.01.2012 20:16, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Yes, the dependency on Java JRE/JDK is a pain in the backside, but unfortunately unavoidable if you want to use Base, at least for the time being. With no Java being installed, I can connect a Base document to any non-Java database, write queries, draw input forms and use Calc as reporting engine. And I would state that that is an unusual user setup. The user here wants a relational database with subforms and reports and does not want to use mysql, so where does that leave him her with regard to Base - IMO, with HSQLDB, the stock db engine provided with LO. For that, you need a JRE/JDK. And Calc for reports is OK, much as is Writer, but for anything a bit more than a simple report, the user will have to deal with not only the idiosyncrasies of the respective tool used for creating the report, plus, in general, learn to use macros. The whole benefit of having a specific reporting tool (the Java based ORB extension) is that this is suppose to ease that pain. Personally, I'd love to be able to say, you get a great and easy to use db reporting engine without Java in LO, but that is simply not the case at the moment. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Am 01.02.2012 19:36, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: All of you. Thanks very much for your kindness to bother answering - and for the very interesting discussions. My conclusion is that LO-Base (and OO-Base ?) is not yet - and perhaps will not be as mentioned in the desciption at LO-Wikipedia: A database management program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_program, similar to Microsoft Access .. etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access. The difference amounts to a multi-million Dollar budget and a decade of development. OOo Base was maintained by 2 Sun/Oracle employees. It is similar to Access. Access is named Access because you can access databases with it. In *addition* Access provides the JET database engine which embeds a database backend in the frontend file. Unfortunately, most people work with JET which is why Access has a bad reputation among professionals. I've seen very nice Access frontends for MySQL databases. Base connects ODF documents with databases. In *addition* it can embed a HSQLDB into the frontend file which is basically a zip archive with configuration and Writer documents. Unfortunately, most people use the embedded HSQLDB which is why Base has such a bad reputation. If you ever had created some relational database backend using any database specific, mature tool for the database, you would acknowledge how straight-forward Base connects your database with this office suite. Simply do your database with a database program. Base is not a database program. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 08:43 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 31/01/2012 22:07, Andreas Säger a écrit : Hi Andreas, Am 31.01.2012 20:16, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Yes, the dependency on Java JRE/JDK is a pain in the backside, but unfortunately unavoidable if you want to use Base, at least for the time being. With no Java being installed, I can connect a Base document to any non-Java database, write queries, draw input forms and use Calc as reporting engine. And I would state that that is an unusual user setup. The user here wants a relational database with subforms and reports and does not want to use mysql, so where does that leave him her with regard to Base - IMO, with HSQLDB, the stock db engine provided with LO. For that, you need a JRE/JDK. And Calc for reports is OK, much as is Writer, but for anything a bit more than a simple report, the user will have to deal with not only the idiosyncrasies of the respective tool used for creating the report, plus, in general, learn to use macros. The whole benefit of having a specific reporting tool (the Java based ORB extension) is that this is suppose to ease that pain. Personally, I'd love to be able to say, you get a great and easy to use db reporting engine without Java in LO, but that is simply not the case at the moment. Alex Is this a Windows problem? I'm not having any problems using Base with the Ubuntu O/S. My java is openjdk-6-jre. This java is supplied by from Ubuntu's repositories. I don't know, but I suspect that this java version can also be used for other Linux distributions. This java's description: Full Java runtime environment - needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs. Using Hotspot JIT. The packages are built using the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project. (Maybe someone else understands this jargon.) I wonder about some of the comments that have been made in this thread. What I do know is that OOo 3.3 (or perhaps earlier) contained a method to disable the Base Wizard. The word at the time was that there were large companies wanting to control who in their company could create .odb files (database document files) at work. These companies were told what configuration file had to be changed from what to what. I realize that the security holes found in java has been a problem. I seem to have seen somewhere that the java based upon the IcedTea project does not have these holes. I use Base for embedded databases that are flat, relational, one that is a combination of flat and relational I have one .odb file that links to a spreadsheet. They all work. Base Tutorial: From Newbie to Advocate in a one, two... three! by Mariano Casanova written for OOo (publication date: August 2010. This is a fairly sophisticated application created using Base. Here is a link that is a Base Tutorial which is a online course for Base. The estimated time required to go through this tutorial is more than 60 hours. http://www.fhi.rcsed.ac.uk/rbeaumont/virtualclassroom/chap8/libreoffice_base.html In other words, I think there is more to Base than I seem to be reading in this and other threads. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Hi again, First Tom: I will try. Let us see what comes from the deeps of my mind and if I can find some old projects to investigate so I can give an understandable answer - I'm a little afraid that not. Andreas: Thank you for very interesting info. Please note that I am talking from a consumers point of view in no way professional in databases. When I worked with MSAccess I plainly saw it as a program - a tool - and tried to learn how to get it producing the needed results, how to do data input - data mixing and processing - data output. The background philosophy and programming details were of no interest - I did not even know to ask. Knowing could have been of help. I am aware of what you say about real relational dbs; my intention is to do the ODBC connection (or JDBC if necessary) between LO-Base and (e.g.) MySQL but if I'm correct the LO-Base (32bit) must first start working stable with or without a JRE. That's why I now put my question how to your admirable community. Best regards Pepe On 1.2.2012 20:51, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 01.02.2012 19:36, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: All of you. Thanks very much for your kindness to bother answering - and for the very interesting discussions. My conclusion is that LO-Base (and OO-Base ?) is not yet - and perhaps will not be as mentioned in the desciption at LO-Wikipedia: A database management program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_management_program, similar to Microsoft Access .. etc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Access. The difference amounts to a multi-million Dollar budget and a decade of development. OOo Base was maintained by 2 Sun/Oracle employees. It is similar to Access. Access is named Access because you can access databases with it. In *addition* Access provides the JET database engine which embeds a database backend in the frontend file. Unfortunately, most people work with JET which is why Access has a bad reputation among professionals. I've seen very nice Access frontends for MySQL databases. Base connects ODF documents with databases. In *addition* it can embed a HSQLDB into the frontend file which is basically a zip archive with configuration and Writer documents. Unfortunately, most people use the embedded HSQLDB which is why Base has such a bad reputation. If you ever had created some relational database backend using any database specific, mature tool for the database, you would acknowledge how straight-forward Base connects your database with this office suite. Simply do your database with a database program. Base is not a database program. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Hi Dan :) OpenJDK is also owned by Oracle but that might be mitigated by having a community involved. I'm not sure if normal java has a community too. Ubuntu 10.04LTS has java 6_20 by default at the moment. Perhaps you also have one of the good (at least for LO) versions such as 6_21 or 6_22. The creator of the course you gave a link to just emailed me moments before you posted and said that is a back-up and the better site is http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9113961/virtualclassroom/chap8/libreoffice_base.html It looks a lot nicer! Same content i guess but looks can count for a lot sometimes Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 1/2/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working? To: users@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 1 February, 2012, 20:06 On Wed, 2012-02-01 at 08:43 +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 31/01/2012 22:07, Andreas Säger a écrit : Hi Andreas, Am 31.01.2012 20:16, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Yes, the dependency on Java JRE/JDK is a pain in the backside, but unfortunately unavoidable if you want to use Base, at least for the time being. With no Java being installed, I can connect a Base document to any non-Java database, write queries, draw input forms and use Calc as reporting engine. And I would state that that is an unusual user setup. The user here wants a relational database with subforms and reports and does not want to use mysql, so where does that leave him her with regard to Base - IMO, with HSQLDB, the stock db engine provided with LO. For that, you need a JRE/JDK. And Calc for reports is OK, much as is Writer, but for anything a bit more than a simple report, the user will have to deal with not only the idiosyncrasies of the respective tool used for creating the report, plus, in general, learn to use macros. The whole benefit of having a specific reporting tool (the Java based ORB extension) is that this is suppose to ease that pain. Personally, I'd love to be able to say, you get a great and easy to use db reporting engine without Java in LO, but that is simply not the case at the moment. Alex Is this a Windows problem? I'm not having any problems using Base with the Ubuntu O/S. My java is openjdk-6-jre. This java is supplied by from Ubuntu's repositories. I don't know, but I suspect that this java version can also be used for other Linux distributions. This java's description: Full Java runtime environment - needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs. Using Hotspot JIT. The packages are built using the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project. (Maybe someone else understands this jargon.) I wonder about some of the comments that have been made in this thread. What I do know is that OOo 3.3 (or perhaps earlier) contained a method to disable the Base Wizard. The word at the time was that there were large companies wanting to control who in their company could create .odb files (database document files) at work. These companies were told what configuration file had to be changed from what to what. I realize that the security holes found in java has been a problem. I seem to have seen somewhere that the java based upon the IcedTea project does not have these holes. I use Base for embedded databases that are flat, relational, one that is a combination of flat and relational I have one .odb file that links to a spreadsheet. They all work. Base Tutorial: From Newbie to Advocate in a one, two... three! by Mariano Casanova written for OOo (publication date: August 2010. This is a fairly sophisticated application created using Base. Here is a link that is a Base Tutorial which is a online course for Base. The estimated time required to go through this tutorial is more than 60 hours. http://www.fhi.rcsed.ac.uk/rbeaumont/virtualclassroom/chap8/libreoffice_base.html In other words, I think there is more to Base than I seem to be reading in this and other threads. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Hi :) I think it's a classic case of something that is so nearly perfect and with such huge potential and clever, uncompromising concept. It's even more frustrating than some broken heap of junk precisely because it's so close but misses (in the fairly rare cases when it does miss). Most people seem to have no troubles with it but for a few it's like scratching finger-nails down a black-board. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 1/2/12, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: snip / In other words, I think there is more to Base than I seem to be reading in this and other threads. --Dan -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Le 31/01/12 19:31, Pertti Rönnberg a écrit : Hi Pertti, (LO-page: tools/options/LibreOffice/java). Now LO didn't stop but neither of the JREs seem to be sufficient /LibreO requires a JRE to perform this task. The selected JRE is defective. Please select and install a new JRE/ and then /connection to datasource (db-name) could not be established -- no Java installation could be found; check installation/. I did my best several times. Yes, the dependency on Java JRE/JDK is a pain in the backside, but unfortunately unavoidable if you want to use Base, at least for the time being. Note. After doing exactly same install process on my laptop (Win7Prem/64bit) the LO(64bit), Base included, works fine. Did I do something wrong, wrong versions, is it the 32bit make of LO or the LO-Base itself, is the JRE(32bit) wrong, -- or what? I like the Even on 64bit Windows OSes, you must use a 32bit Java JRE or JDK, a 64bit version won't work. You may well have installed 64bit versions of the JRE by mistake, but there was also a problem with recognition of JRE 1.7 by LibreOffice, and this was supposed to be fixed - perhaps it isn't yet in LO 3.4.5. I didn't even know JRE 1.8 was out, so that will probably not work either. If you can, try and find a 32bit JRE 1.6 to download and use instead, that should work. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Am 31.01.2012 19:31, Pertti Rönnberg wrote: and for my simple needs a MySQL/PHP/Apache seems too heavy to learn. Well, then you will never be able to use Base neither. Base is extremely simple. If you can not work with simplified database tools, Base can't help you by any means. The main purpos of Base is connecting office documents to databases so you can feed your calculation models, serial letters and bibliographies with database data. This is straight forward and simple enough. But Base does not help you to plan a relational database nor does it help very much creating one. Most of the wizards and graphical design tools are buggy or incomplete at least. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: How get LibreO-Base working?
Le 31/01/2012 22:07, Andreas Säger a écrit : Hi Andreas, Am 31.01.2012 20:16, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Yes, the dependency on Java JRE/JDK is a pain in the backside, but unfortunately unavoidable if you want to use Base, at least for the time being. With no Java being installed, I can connect a Base document to any non-Java database, write queries, draw input forms and use Calc as reporting engine. And I would state that that is an unusual user setup. The user here wants a relational database with subforms and reports and does not want to use mysql, so where does that leave him her with regard to Base - IMO, with HSQLDB, the stock db engine provided with LO. For that, you need a JRE/JDK. And Calc for reports is OK, much as is Writer, but for anything a bit more than a simple report, the user will have to deal with not only the idiosyncrasies of the respective tool used for creating the report, plus, in general, learn to use macros. The whole benefit of having a specific reporting tool (the Java based ORB extension) is that this is suppose to ease that pain. Personally, I'd love to be able to say, you get a great and easy to use db reporting engine without Java in LO, but that is simply not the case at the moment. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
