Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Hi :) If there is no preceding open-bracket the specific problem doesn't happen? So a c) doesn't get changed but a (c) does? Also using proper Bullets and Numbering doesn't change the (c). Hmmm, tricky. With txting on my phone i find if i type a string of upper-case it switched to entirely upper-case but if i type a space or . between each character it retains the sentence-case that i generally prefer. So, what happens if you type ( c ) or (c ) and then go back and delete the extra space(s)? Regards from Tom :) From: Alex Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 9:38 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites On 12/11/2012 06:23 PM, NoOp wrote: Hi all, Interesting, mine does not. Lowercase (c) = (c) Uppercase (C) = © Unfortunately, I've noticed this too on Mac, with FR as the default language / locale, and it is rather annoying when typing lists within a paragraph. Mind you, it has been like that for a very long time, even when I was previously using OpenOffice.org. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Try this folks: 1. Type ( 2. Type C 3. Type ) 4. Type space 5. Previous three characters become a copyright sign automatically 6. Type ctrl-z and step 5 is undone 7. Type ctrl-z and the space is deleted. This seems to be general behaviour throughout LO. Automatic changes are treated as a virtual keystroke and can be undone. Has anyone else had similar experience? Barry PS I've just done it again to check. - B On 12/12/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 12/12/12 15:01, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, I have to leave a space either after the opening bracket, or before the closing bracket, in order for (c) not to be converted into the copyright symbol. If I enter a space, close the bracket and then delete the space, then leave that and start typing the next word, it automatically converts that sequence back into the copyright symbol. From reading the French mailing lists, it might be something you can turn off in the autocorrect dialogues. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Hi :) Brilliant!! Ctrl z is much easier than faffing around deleting spaces. Alex i found the same as you except if i typed a space after the close brackets and maybe some more text and then went back to delete the space-before-the-close-brackets. So, now we are finding tons of ways to avoid it but i think Barry's is the best yet. I tend to have a little finger hoovering over the a key that can easily reach the Ctrl key which moves my 3rd-finger quite near the Z. So, it all works really easily if you keep your fingers roughly in touch-typing position. Plus it means you don't have to switch off any of the auto-correction stuff which can be pretty handy. Regards from Tom :) From: Barry Say barr...@nspipes.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 14:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites Try this folks: 1. Type ( 2. Type C 3. Type ) 4. Type space 5. Previous three characters become a copyright sign automatically 6. Type ctrl-z and step 5 is undone 7. Type ctrl-z and the space is deleted. This seems to be general behaviour throughout LO. Automatic changes are treated as a virtual keystroke and can be undone. Has anyone else had similar experience? Barry PS I've just done it again to check. - B On 12/12/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 12/12/12 15:01, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, I have to leave a space either after the opening bracket, or before the closing bracket, in order for (c) not to be converted into the copyright symbol. If I enter a space, close the bracket and then delete the space, then leave that and start typing the next word, it automatically converts that sequence back into the copyright symbol. From reading the French mailing lists, it might be something you can turn off in the autocorrect dialogues. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On Wed, 12 Dec 2012, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Brilliant!! Ctrl z is much easier than faffing around deleting spaces. Alex i found the same as you except if i typed a space after the close brackets and maybe some more text and then went back to delete the space-before-the-close-brackets. I don't speak British so maybe I misunderstand but you don't consider doing a close-bracket+type-more-text+backspace mambo 'faffing around'? I'll have to look up the word! So, now we are finding tons of ways to avoid it but i think Barry's is the best yet. I tend to have a little finger hoovering over the a key that can easily reach the Ctrl key which moves my 3rd-finger quite near the Z. So, it all works really easily if you keep your fingers roughly in touch-typing position. Plus it means you don't have to switch off any of the auto-correction stuff which can be pretty handy. won't re-ignite the discussion about turning this off altogether but will only note that I do a (a) (b) (c) (d) ... type list much more than I type a copyright symbol which I have had few, very few, occasions to use. but I always (from now on) say, faff and let faff. F. From: Barry Say barr...@nspipes.co.uk To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 14:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites Try this folks: 1. Type ( 2. Type C 3. Type ) 4. Type space 5. Previous three characters become a copyright sign automatically 6. Type ctrl-z and step 5 is undone 7. Type ctrl-z and the space is deleted. This seems to be general behaviour throughout LO. Automatic changes are treated as a virtual keystroke and can be undone. Has anyone else had similar experience? Barry PS I've just done it again to check. - B On 12/12/2012 02:06 PM, Alexander Thurgood wrote: Le 12/12/12 15:01, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, I have to leave a space either after the opening bracket, or before the closing bracket, in order for (c) not to be converted into the copyright symbol. If I enter a space, close the bracket and then delete the space, then leave that and start typing the next word, it automatically converts that sequence back into the copyright symbol. From reading the French mailing lists, it might be something you can turn off in the autocorrect dialogues. Alex -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis Some parts of the past must be preserved, and some of the future prevented at all costs. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Am 11.12.2012 06:42, schrieb NoOp: Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. My LibreOffice does this by default. LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build-ID: 350m1(Build:2) delivered with Ubuntu 12.04 Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 12/11/2012 01:11 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 11.12.2012 06:42, schrieb NoOp: Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. My LibreOffice does this by default. LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build-ID: 350m1(Build:2) delivered with Ubuntu 12.04 Mine does _NOT_ - LO 3.6.2.2 on PCLinuxOS 2012. IanW Pretoria RSA -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Hi :) Part of the purpose of a list is that many different view-points can be expressed by individuals. As you point out many of us may well not agree with the wisdom of many of the posts but hopefully by gathering different points-of-view people can assess and perhaps change their own points-of-view and hopefully solve whatever problems are being faced. Many languages have a phrase for it, i think the French say something like Vive la difference but in England we don't like having choices and prefer just being given orders. I've been trying to create a chant or something for OpenSource here. Something like Diversity breeds serendipity but it's not very catchy nor easy to shout out. Personally i think regardless of what does or doesn't happen by default in different people's version is fairly irrelevant. Most people like and expect these things to happen exactly as they work in Word and other appalling products but other people prefer to have a tough time of it. All three ways and others are valid imo. If someone could post a script as an Extension so that it's easy for people to strip out all the 'useful' 'helpful' automatic bits then we could satisfy people from both groups. In much the same way as we have different languages we could allow people of different view-points to get some satisfaction without spoiling things for the majority. Regards from Tom :) From: Pedro pedl...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 10:02 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites NoOp wrote I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... So, based on this small detail you insinuate that the user is lying and ignore all the rest of the message... That is exactly the kind of support that people need on a User mailing list! Please think about this: Don't say/write everything that you think, but think everything that you say/write -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-Tale-of-Two-Office-Suites-tp4023620p4023691.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not upset about having to delete the (c) to copyright symbol option in my autocorrect feature. I appreciate that many people prefer this behavior. I get it that developers have to make choices and they make those choices on the basis of what a majority of users want. That much I get. What I don't like is having to do it twice because neither AOO nor LO has all the features I need to get my work done, and that is because, for whatever reasons, the developers of the two office suites either can't or won't combine their efforts. Virgil -Original Message- From: NoOp Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 12:42 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites On 12/10/2012 02:28 PM, VA wrote: ... Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. ... ... I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 12/11/2012 05:02 AM, Pedro wrote: NoOp wrote I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next... So, based on this small detail you insinuate that the user is lying and ignore all the rest of the message... That is exactly the kind of support that people need on a User mailing list! Please think about this: Don't say/write everything that you think, but think everything that you say/write Are you using this extension? Compose Special Characters - extension - Compose Special Characters lets you type two or three characters and use a keyboard shortcut to convert them into a single accented or special character. You can also compose unicode characters using its 4 character unicode value. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
On 11/12/12 11:23, Ian Whitfield wrote: On 12/11/2012 01:11 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Am 11.12.2012 06:42, schrieb NoOp: Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. My LibreOffice does this by default. LibreOffice 3.5.4.2 Build-ID: 350m1(Build:2) delivered with Ubuntu 12.04 Mine does _NOT_ - LO 3.6.2.2 on PCLinuxOS 2012. (c) does not, (C) does. LO 3.6.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 -- Registered Linux User no 240308 GBP's alternative computing:http://gbplinuxfoss.blogspot.com/ Say No to OOXMLhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9594#mpart8 I only accept odf or pdf documents by email -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
(c) does not, (C) does. LO 3.6.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.04 ...Same on Ubuntu Raring LO 3.6.2.2 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: A Tale of Two Office Suites
2012/12/11 NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net On 12/10/2012 02:28 PM, VA wrote: ... Not so with office suites. To get the most out of my office suites, I create and edit templates, page, character and paragraph styles. I have to set the autocorrect functions of each program to my liking to prevent a (c) from turning into a ©. ... ... I wonder what office suites you are using. Neither LO or AOO default to turning a (c) into a © - (C) does. But guess what? Microft Word does it for both... (c) and (C). Next.. Running LO v 3.6.0.1 (Build ID: 360m1(Build:101)) on 64-bit Ubuntu 12.04, I see what NoOp describes above. However, when I want to get © rather than avoid it, I just perform «Alt Gr + c», which is simpler (this on a standard 105 key Scandinavian keyboard) Henri -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
