Re: [389-users] With LDAP server stopped, local authentication fails...
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Sean Carolan scaro...@gmail.com wrote: The best you can do here is set 'bind policy soft' ldap conf. Also enable your chkconfig nscd on. If you are going to do ldap auth make sure you have an LDAP cluster/farm and a load balancer or some high availability systems. Things go pretty bad when your LDAP server is down. Yes, we actually just tested this with it set to soft and it solved the problem. We do plan to load balance to multiple servers when this goes to production. I just wanted to make sure that local accounts could still log in while we transition over, even if LDAP is down. -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users In this case you should be fine. The only thing that periodically happens is people will setup a crontab with an ldap user. If that crontab becomes vital to operation it could fail if the LDAP server goes away. That can be an issue, files owned by that user that may live in a system area can be an issue in some edge cases. -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
Re: [389-users] Multiple sync aggrements between Ad and DS?
Hi Rich, Thanks for the reply! On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 08:19 -0700, Rich Megginson wrote: Theodotos Andreou wrote: Guys I' ve seen this warning on the 8.1 Administration Guide: WARNING There can only be a single sync agreement between the Directory Server environment and the Active Directory environment. Multiple sync agreements to the same Active Directory domain can create entry conflicts. dc=example,dc=com Ref: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/dir-server/8.1/admin/Windows_Sync.html In my scenario I have many OUs under the AD synchronized subtree eg ou=dep1,dc=example,dc=com , ou=dep2,dc=example,dc=com , etc. I tried to synchronize the whole subtree dc=example,dc=com to the respective tree on DS but this fails due to schema incompatibilities. Can you be more specific? What schema? Do you have any error messages to post? When I created a sync agreement between cn=Users,dc=example,dc=com on AD and cn=People,dc=example,dc=com on DS everything worked fine. When I tried to do the same with dc=example,dc=com on both servers none of the child OUs got replicated and I got errors similar to this: [12/Jan/2010:08:01:57 +0200] - add value pre_user2 to attribute type sn in entry uid=pre_user2,ou=People, dc=lim, dc=example, dc=com failed: duplicate new value. I assumed that the reason is that you can not have full replication between AD and DS in the same way we can have between two DS Servers. That's why we compromise with a user/group/sync solution between AD and DS. Isn't schema incompatibilities between AD and DS that cause this. Is it possible to have true replication between them? So I created one sync agreement per OU and it seems to be working as expected in my test environment. What that warning above is all about? It means you can't have multi master between more than one directory server and more than one AD. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=182515 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=184155 What could possibly go wrong if you use multiple sync agreements. How can there be entry conflicts if each synchronized subtree is different from the other? In your case it should be fine because you have one directory server and one AD. I am using 1 AD that is configured to have one way sync to 1 DS Server. I guess this should not be a problem with multiple agreements right? Will there be a problem if I add another DS Server in MultiMaster configuration with the existing DS Server? Another issue I have is that when users are disabled on the AD they are still active on the DS. An obvious workaround is to change the password of the disabled user so he can not use his account on AD but it would be nice if their is a solution to avoid this. Any ideas? Regular 389 cannot do this, but freeipa has a winsync plugin that does sync account disabled status. I 've seen this freeipa solution in the past and triggered my interest. As soon as I find some time I will give it a try. Is it stable to use in a production environment? -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users Thanks again for the support -- 389 users mailing list 389-users@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
DVD Deltaisos available for Fedora 12 - Fedora Unity 20100202 12 (both i386 and x86_64)
I've made available DVD deltaisos for Fedora 12 - Fedora Unity 20100202 12 (both i386 and x86_64) at http://thepiratebay.org/user/andre14965/ i386: Fraction of full ISO size: 14.6% applydeltaiso's approximate running time: 20 minutes x86_64: Fraction of full ISO size: 15.2% applydeltaiso's approximate running time: 25 minutes Using these requires a box running Fedora 11 or later (Fedora 10 or below will NOT work due to the lack of xz support in the deltarpm package), the updated deltarpm package (currently version 3.5), and if running Fedora 12 or later, the deltaiso package. Detailed instructions are at the above link. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: tp_smapi for Thinkpads
On 10 February 2010 02:00, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: What exactly is the status of tp_smapi for Fedora-12? Is it available in some repository? It needs to be pushed upstream to kernel.org Richard. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Turning off ipv6
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I prefer changing something in /etc/sysctl.conf because it's clearly where this kind of configuration change belongs. Changing ifcfg-eth0 may or may not work at the moment -- I'm guessing it probably does -- but it's a kludge that depends on the functioning of a specific script which in some future version could change. It's a judgment call based on many years experience of messing with systems and having the floor move under my feet :-) poc poc: Interesting points, but not certain whether I agree. Given that the IPV6INIT=no seems to be an accepted option in ifcfg-eth0, I am not certain whether it is a kludge. Actually, I picked up the info about it from this list in 2008 while trying to figure out how to get my local network behaving along with internet access and this was the suggestion du jour. Mind you, there were cavaets about issues on LANs, but I never saw any problems and it certainly did the trick. And I can't understand how LANs would not respect ifcfg-eth0 on each machine of the local net (but I'm a newbie in that area, so my understanding may be ignorance). i have the same gut reaction as poc, but I think that i can narrow it down to the fact that sysctl is switching it off at the kernel level, rather than disabling it for the code that sets up the interface. that said, if they both work, then use what ever floats your boat. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: question about partition mounted by hal
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:57 +0100, François Patte wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, For some reason (which I totally ignore...) hal mounts a partition on /media/_1 I have 4 disks 2 main disks are for the system and data (raid-1 and lvm) and 2 other disks (from previous install) they are used for backup and other data. One of these last disks (sdd) has a small partition (sdd1) which was a former / when this disk was used for the system. The other partition (sdd2) on this disk is lvm and mounted for backups. hal mounts sdd1 on /media/_1 I don't know why and I don't know how The only thing I can see is : /dev/sdd1 on /media/_1 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal) Does the device have a label on it? This is what's usually used to derive the name of the mountpoint. Running blkid on the device should show if this is the case, e.g.: $ sudo blkid /dev/loop0 /dev/loop0: LABEL=alabel UUID=6ed859a5-f470-4995-9311-5f92062036c4 SEC_TYPE=ext2 TYPE=ext3 I'm faking this with a loop device as I had no spare partitions on this box to show it with but if that is the case for you then you can change the label using the e2label command (for ext2/3/4 file systems). Regards, Bryn. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Disk usage error
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:01 AM, William John Murray bill.mur...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Any more ideas? I guess I could copy the filesystem contents to another disk and back, I have the space for that, but it seems a little over-the-top. And it may well come back... That would have the added benefit of completely defragmenting your filesystem. I know it's off-topic, but it's really the best way to defragment; defragmentation tools are generally unable to defragment everything. Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ATI Radeon vs nVidia 3D accelleration
How well is radeonhd's 3D accelleration expected to work in Fedora 11? I did a yum update recently. My box at work and my box at home are both Core 2 Quad Xeons. My work box runs Ubuntu 8.10 and has an nVidia card - lspci says: nVidia Corporation Device 0658 (rev a1) lsmod shows that it's using the nvidia driver. Is that the closed-source driver? My box at home runs Fedora 11, with an ATI Radeon card. I don't recall the model, but it has 1 GB of RAM and occupies the space of two PCI slots, with a big fan, so it should be a fancy, powerful card. However while the nVideo card at work can run glxgears at a frame rate of 5000 FPS, my Radeon can only do 300! lsmod tells me that the DRI drivers are loaded. Is there something I can tweak to get faster 3D, or is this the expected performance for the current radeonhd driver? Thanks! Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: setting up the android SDK on fedora
Robert, On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: i mentioned this before, but i plan on documenting how to get the android SDK up and running on fedora, and i've started documenting the process here: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Android_on_64-bit_Fedora_12 Android wants the 1.5 JDK; it's incompatible with Java 1.6. That gets to be a really annoying problem, because there is lots of software that wants to suck Java 1.6 in as a dependency. I haven't actually tried it, but it ought to be possible to install both Java 1.5 and Java 1.6, then set up some environment variables so that Android only sees 1.5 while everything else sees 1.6. Android is also incompatible with every version of gcj, the GNU Java compiler. Best, Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI Radeon vs nVidia 3D accelleration
Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: However while the nVideo card at work can run glxgears at a frame rate of 5000 FPS, my Radeon can only do 300! Note that glxgears has always been considered a bad speed test. Better base your speed doubts on something else. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI Radeon vs nVidia 3D accelleration
On Thursday 11 February 2010 12:38:38 Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: How well is radeonhd's 3D accelleration expected to work in Fedora 11? My box at work and my box at home are both Core 2 Quad Xeons. The idea of 2D and 3D acceleration is to take the load off the processor. So you should not expect the performance of accelerated graphics to depend on the CPU model. Not too much, anyway. lsmod shows that it's using the nvidia driver. Is that the closed-source driver? Yes. However while the nVideo card at work can run glxgears at a frame rate of 5000 FPS, my Radeon can only do 300! The glxgears utility is not a good benchmark. Better try out some real life stuff like quake3, nexuiz, extremetuxracer, or such. :-) Or those more dull things like googleearth and compiz (if your reflexes are too bad for gaming). Is there something I can tweak to get faster 3D, or is this the expected performance for the current radeonhd driver? Is 3D actually turned on? You can have both hardware and drivers which support 3D, but have xorg.conf that disables it, or something like that. You can check for direct rendering like this: glxinfo | grep direct If it says yes, then all should be well. :-) There are probably some tools out there which measure frame rate and do proper serious benchmarking, but I don't know any. HTH, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Moving LV To New Machine
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 11:16 +, Dave Cross wrote: I'm in the process of moving data from an old machine to a new one. Both machines are running Fedora 12. There's rather a lot of data on the old machine and I'm reaching the conclusion that rather than transfering it over the network I'll just pull one of the disks out of the old machine, stick it in the new one and copy the data. But the disk in the old machine contains a logical volume. The LV corresponds completely to the disk. i.e. all of the LV is on the disk and the disk only contains this LV. If I put the disk in the new machine, will the new machine just recognise the LV on the disk? Or is there some more configuration I need to do? Perhaps I can just copy over the relevant line from /etc/fstab? Yes this will work just fine. The only issue you really need to consider is whether the VG names on the old/new systems will collide. If they are both fresh f12 installs then you should be fine as Anaconda now adds the hostname to the names of VGs it creates by default. If there is a collision then you may want to look at the vgimportclone script in recent LVM2 releases (included in f12's lvm2 package). Regards, Bryn. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI Radeon vs nVidia 3D accelleration
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of 2D and 3D acceleration is to take the load off the processor. So you should not expect the performance of accelerated graphics to depend on the CPU model. Not too much, anyway. That depends on the application. Some 3D accelleration is implemented by having the CPU optimize the input to the GPU, so that there is less for the GPU to render. lsmod shows that it's using the nvidia driver. Is that the closed-source driver? Yes. Ah that is why my work box has such a high framerate - the closed-source nVidia driver can use undocumented features that have not yet been reversed-engineered for Open Source use. However while the nVideo card at work can run glxgears at a frame rate of 5000 FPS, my Radeon can only do 300! The glxgears utility is not a good benchmark. Better try out some real life stuff like quake3, nexuiz, extremetuxracer, or such. :-) Or those more dull things like googleearth and compiz (if your reflexes are too bad for gaming). Heh. Actually I did know that, as I came across this page just a couple weeks ago: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Glxgears_is_not_a_Benchmark On my nVidia work box, Extreme Tux Racer had a framerate of 100 to 130 at 1280x1024 (in a window, not full screen). I won't be able to try my Radeon home box until this evening. Is 3D actually turned on? You can have both hardware and drivers which support 3D, but have xorg.conf that disables it, or something like that. You can check for direct rendering like this: glxinfo | grep direct If it says yes, then all should be well. :-) Ah, I didn't know about that - thanks. When I try glxinfo | less on my nVidia work box, it lists a whole slew of GLX extensions. Even if my Radeon has 3D turned on, it probably doesn't support as many such extensions as the proprietary nVidia driver does. There are probably some tools out there which measure frame rate and do proper serious benchmarking, but I don't know any. Actually there is a very good 3D benchmarking tool for Linux, which I've been intending to try: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/ My understanding is that the Phoronix Test Suite doesn't do the 3D in itself, but serves as a test harness for running lots of other video software. The installation instructions says that Fedora has a phoronix-test-suite package, if you want to try it out yourself: http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/documentation/2.4/install.html Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Zen kernel, what are advantages if any?
As for TuxOnIce, you can hardly blame people for wanting software which will not only suspend but includes resume. Suspend/Hibernate are pretty broken, for many people TOI works. How true! Thanks for pointing out TuxOnIce. I have been very frustrated by the stock hibernate on my F11 box. I can hibernate OK, and resume mostly works, but after resuming I am unable to use the network. Fiddling with ifconfig (down, up and explicitly configuring it) doesn't help at all. So I just have to shut down completely rather than hibernate. And for many people ndiswrapper works (for some values of works). That doesn't make it the right way to solve the problem for everyone. Ideally whatever TuxOnIce has done to make hibernate work reliably will be merged into the kernel.org source. But that takes time, and work. Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [389-users] Multiple sync aggrements between Ad and DS?
Theodotos Andreou wrote: Guys I' ve seen this warning on the 8.1 Administration Guide: WARNING There can only be a single sync agreement between the Directory Server environment and the Active Directory environment. Multiple sync agreements to the same Active Directory domain can create entry conflicts. Ref: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/dir-server/8.1/admin/Windows_Sync.html In my scenario I have many OUs under the AD synchronized subtree eg ou=dep1,dc=example,dc=com , ou=dep2,dc=example,dc=com , etc. I tried to synchronize the whole subtree dc=example,dc=com to the respective tree on DS but this fails due to schema incompatibilities. Can you be more specific? What schema? Do you have any error messages to post? So I created one sync agreement per OU and it seems to be working as expected in my test environment. What that warning above is all about? It means you can't have multi master between more than one directory server and more than one AD. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=182515 and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=184155 What could possibly go wrong if you use multiple sync agreements. How can there be entry conflicts if each synchronized subtree is different from the other? In your case it should be fine because you have one directory server and one AD. Another issue I have is that when users are disabled on the AD they are still active on the DS. An obvious workaround is to change the password of the disabled user so he can not use his account on AD but it would be nice if their is a solution to avoid this. Any ideas? Regular 389 cannot do this, but freeipa has a winsync plugin that does sync account disabled status. -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users -- 389 users mailing list 389-us...@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/389-users
RE: Building the kernel and kernel objects
On 2010-02-11 09:10 I wrote: On 10-02-10 20:03:00, Tony Nelson wrote: You might also look into building out of tree kernel modules, also in those instructions. If only I could understand them. To be more specific: the instructions seem to assume that, if module foo.ko is being built, there will be a file foo.c. In the case of udf.ko there is no file called udf.c. I haven't managed to find how to build udf.ko on its own. There must be a way, and I'd like to use it, if only I knew or could work out what it is. Dave NICE CTI Systems UK Limited (NICE) is registered in England under company number, 3403044. The registered office of NICE is at Tollbar Way, Hedge End, Southampton, Hampshire SO30 2ZP. Confidentiality: This communication and any attachments are intended for the above-named persons only and may be confidential and/or legally privileged. Any opinions expressed in this communication are not necessarily those of NICE. If this communication has come to you in error you must take no action based on it, nor must you copy or show it to anyone; please delete/destroy and inform the sender by e-mail immediately. Monitoring: NICE may monitor incoming and outgoing e-mails. Viruses: Although we have taken steps toward ensuring that this e-mail and attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Moving LV To New Machine
I've done this many times with HP-UX using vgexport and vgimport, have you looked at those? - Jamie On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the process of moving data from an old machine to a new one. Both machines are running Fedora 12. There's rather a lot of data on the old machine and I'm reaching the conclusion that rather than transfering it over the network I'll just pull one of the disks out of the old machine, stick it in the new one and copy the data. But the disk in the old machine contains a logical volume. The LV corresponds completely to the disk. i.e. all of the LV is on the disk and the disk only contains this LV. If I put the disk in the new machine, will the new machine just recognise the LV on the disk? Or is there some more configuration I need to do? Perhaps I can just copy over the relevant line from /etc/fstab? Cheers, Dave... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- Jamie Bohr -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Question on installing FC12-X86_64
*I have a ; Dell Studio Hybrid-118 Desktop Core 2 Duo 2.16GHz 3GB 320GB DVDRW DL WiFi* Product Features Intel Core2 Duo mobile processor T5850 with 2 processing cores, 667MHz system bus, 2MB L2 cache and 2.16GHz processor speed per core Am I wrong or right that this computer will take a FC12 32 or 64bit install. I bought this computer without a OS on it, it had Vista on it at one time. I went on google search and from I can see it would take a 32 or 64bit install of Vista. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Zen kernel, what are advantages if any?
On Thursday 11 February 2010 15:10:49 Roberto Ragusa wrote: Bryn M. Reeves wrote: On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 14:02 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: As for TuxOnIce, you can hardly blame people for wanting software which will not only suspend but includes resume. Suspend/Hibernate are pretty broken, for many people TOI works. How true! And for many people ndiswrapper works (for some values of works). That doesn't make it the right way to solve the problem for everyone. implicitly comparing a hack (which runs Windows code in Linux kernel space) to tuxonice (which is opensource, trying to get merged in mainline for years and actually working where its official alternatives don't) tells a long story about how distorted the perception of tuxonice can be. So what are the reasons for its absence from the mainline kernel then? If it works better than the current mechanisms and is open source, why does it take years to get it into mainline? Is there some showstopper/disadvantage/problem? Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Zen kernel, what are advantages if any?
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: So what are the reasons for its absence from the mainline kernel then? If it works better than the current mechanisms and is open source, why does it take years to get it into mainline? Is there some showstopper/disadvantage/problem? I don't actually know, but I would expect that simple intertia is the problem. To get something into the kernel means that the core kernel developers have to deal with it. I know from my own experience, that if I were in the middle of a big coding project, and my eggs were served sunny side up at breakfast rather than over easy, then my head would surely explode. I expect that the kernel.org developers all face much the same kind of problem. There have been many, many deserving projects that were externally developed for *years* before being adopted into the kernel.org kernel, if they were adopted at all. Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question on installing FC12-X86_64
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Jim mickey...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Am I wrong or right that this computer will take a FC12 32 or 64bit install. Core 2 Duos are 64-bit processors, so you can install the 64-bit Fedora. However, all the x86_64 (aka AMD64) CPUs can run in 32-bit mode. So you can install the 32-bit Fedora instead if you choose. My MacBook Pro is a Core Duo, but not a Core 2 Duo. The Non-Two Core Duos are 32-bit only, so when I finally get around to Linuxizing my laptop, it will have to be 32-bit only. When one has a choice of either 32-bit or 64-bit, there are certain advantages and disadvantages to each choice. The main advantage of 64-bit is that, if your motherboard supports it, you can install more than 4 GB of memory. That would enable you to run lots of programs simultaneously without any virtual memory paging. I have 16 GB in my F11 Core 2 Quad Xeon box, and I never, ever have to hit the swap file. Even with less then 4 GB of memory, it is possible for software to run faster in 64-bit mode than 32-bit mode, because the x86_64 Instruction Set Architecture adds some general purpose registers that aren't present in 32-bit. Whether that helps your particular situation would depend very much on the software you use. (Tastes Great! Less Filling!) Hope That Helps, Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Question on installing FC12-X86_64
On 02/11/2010 04:00 PM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: Don Quixote Don Quixote, Thank you for your help -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Iptables on Client w/OpenVPN
Greetings, Here's my situation: I want to deny all incoming on my PC but want to allow my OVPN client to access a remove OVPN server. My PC has just has the one nic and goes to a cable modem. Nothing real fancy. Any pointers or examples would be greatly appreciated! TIA -- Regards, Chris When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Iptables question
Craig White wrote: Perhaps this is just a thing with Linode VPS but it is Fedora 11. I would think that given my iptables rules, this shouldn't happen # ssh r...@localhost ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused Yes, port 22 is not allowed for eth0 but it should be on 'localhost' # cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4 localhost4.localdomain4 ::1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost6 localhost6.localdomain6 I am using the following rules... :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 465 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 587 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 993 -j ACCEPT # Finally -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited COMMIT *mangle :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] COMMIT # Completed *nat :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] COMMIT # Completed WTF? Craig Hi, Are you also using /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Iptables question
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:44 +1300, Clint Dilks wrote: Craig White wrote: Perhaps this is just a thing with Linode VPS but it is Fedora 11. I would think that given my iptables rules, this shouldn't happen # ssh r...@localhost ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused Yes, port 22 is not allowed for eth0 but it should be on 'localhost' # cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost4 localhost4.localdomain4 ::1 localhost localhost.localdomain localhost6 localhost6.localdomain6 I am using the following rules... :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :RH-Firewall-1-INPUT - [0:0] -A INPUT -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A FORWARD -j RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 50 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p 51 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 465 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 587 -j ACCEPT -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp --dport 993 -j ACCEPT # Finally -A RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited COMMIT *mangle :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0] :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] COMMIT # Completed *nat :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0] :PREROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] :POSTROUTING ACCEPT [0:0] COMMIT # Completed WTF? Craig Hi, Are you also using /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny ? I hope so but they are devoid of everything but comments Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI Radeon vs nVidia 3D accelleration
On Friday 12 February 2010 01:04:37 Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: This is very odd: on my F11 box at home, with the Radeon card... You can check for direct rendering like this: glxinfo | grep direct If it says yes, then all should be well. :-) Indeed it says yes, and glxinfo | less shows lots of GLX extensions. lsmod shows that the radeon and drm kernel modules are loaded, and that the radeon module depends on the drm module. But when I run Extreme Tuxracer, I get a message box that says: Your system currently is not capable of hardware accelerated 3D. Therefore etracer cannot run. Usually the cause of this error is that there are no Free Software drivers for your graphics card, please contact your graphics card manufacturer and kindly ask them to provide Free Software support for your card. My card is a 1 GB ATI Technologies Inc RV770 [Radeon HD 4870]. Note that my driver is radeon and not radeonhd. Is the hd-less radeon driver also closed-source? No, radeon is the open source driver, the closed source one is called catalyst (once known as fglrx). It seems it is available for F11 in rpmfusion, but not for F12 as it doesn't support the F12 version of X. AFAIK, the radeon driver doesn't support 3D acceleration for HD4*** family of cards. and that is probably the reason why tuxracer doesn't work. However, I don't know why glxinfo reports that direct rendering is active in this case. If Extreme Tuxracer won't run without a Free driver, why would it do so well with the very non-Free nvidia driver on my work box? The tuxracer (or any other app for that matter) doesn't know and doesn't care whether the video driver is open source or closed source. It tries to use the standard interface extensions for 3D, and X tells it what is available and what isn't. The warning from tuxracer about asking for Free Software support is just a message that reflects the programmer's belief/preference in what kind of drivers should be provided in Linux generally. The tuxracer itself should run with both open source and closed source driver, if they both provide necessary functionality. In fact, it is quite impossible for an application to check whether the source code for some driver is licensed in this or that way. Open/closed source is a human, social concept. The machine doesn't know and doesn't care about that. Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI Radeon vs nVidia 3D accelleration
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com wrote: AFAIK, the radeon driver doesn't support 3D acceleration for HD4*** family of cards. and that is probably the reason why tuxracer doesn't work. However, I don't know why glxinfo reports that direct rendering is active in this case. Ah, that's too bad. It's going to be a while though, before my OpenGL skills have advanced to the point that hardware accelleration really matters. These I'm doing pretty good to draw a rainbow-colored square in a GLUT window. Maybe by the time I become the 1337 graphics h4x0r, the radeon driver will be able to accellerate with my card. Mike -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Left rotated display one pixel too wide
I'm using a dual rotated 1280x1024 monitor setup with Fedora 12, and there a funny little issue with the display size, or rather applications idea of display size, because both the desktop background and the GNOME Panel protrude one pixel into the right display. It's not really a big problem but it's a little annoying, both because it looks bad, and because the extra panel pixel interfere with window movement on the right display. Any idea of how to investigate further, or where to file a bug report? /Tobias -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Display settings should not be per user
2010/2/11 Tobias Ringström tob...@ringis.se: Why would anyone even want user specific display settings? Are users expected to move monitors around between logging in? Per user settings might be useful as a feature, but it's a very unfriendly default, or am I missing something? It would make sense for the cathode ray tube multisync monitors from the days of yore. Obsessive geek types could set the resolution very high to fit more source code on the screen... ... while those with poor eyesight could set the resolution very low, to make text larger and so easier to read. It doesn't make any sense at all of LCD displays though. One just about always wants to use the physical resolution of the LCD pixels. What I've been looking for, for a long time, yet am unable to find, is a very large, yet LOW resolution LCD display. What I would like to see are great big fat square sharp pixels, with great big, sharply defined and completely non-antialiased text. I spend all day long working in front of a monitor. Then when I go home, I spend all night long hanging out in front of a monitor so I can troll the Series of Tubes. This makes my eyes very tired, from having to read so much tiny print. Don Quixote -- Don Quixote de la Mancha quix...@dulcineatech.com http://www.dulcineatech.com Dulcinea Technologies Corporation: Software of Elegance and Beauty. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ATI Radeon vs nVidia 3D accelleration
On Thursday 11 February 2010 10:08 PM, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 11 February 2010 06:04 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: AFAIK, the radeon driver doesn't support 3D acceleration for HD4*** family of cards. and that is probably the reason why tuxracer doesn't work. However, I don't know why glxinfo reports that direct rendering is active in this case. If the OP is on F12, he can try mesa-dri-drivers-experimental for 3D support on a RV770. I'm happy to give it a try. However, I am still on F11. I have been hesitant to upgrade, as everything - with the exception of 3D accelleration - has been working really well. Maybe it's just paranoia, but from watching this list, I have the sense that upgrading to F12 can break a lot of things. Is that the case, or would I be OK to upgrade? So far I have tried F12 only on LiveCDs with my RV770 or with a Thinkpad with Intel graphics, and I haven't found any significant problems. You can also try out F12 on a VM and see for yourself. Do Quixote. GL -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Display settings should not be per user
Tobias Ringström wrote: I'm using two 1280x1024 displays rotated 90 degrees with an Nvidia graphics card, and I was very impressed by Fedora 12, because it was the first Fedora release where I could get this setup working without using Nvidia's closed source driver, and I didn't even have to fiddle with xorg.conf. After a few very intuitive changes in gnome-display-properties, it was just perfect. There's only one problem, and it's that the display settings are per user, and I can't even find a way to change the settings for the login screen. Why would anyone even want user specific display settings? Are users expected to move monitors around between logging in? Per user settings might be useful as a feature, but it's a very unfriendly default, or am I missing something? I think maybe you've not considered I tend to use only one user account for myself and my wife uses one. I have always worn glasses and my progressive lens are such that my left eye's prescription is for monitor use while the right is for books and such. I love running my monitor at 2018x1152. My wife doesn't wear glasses even though she really should. So, she wants hers at a lower resolution. On my test system, where I have various user accounts that I use for various things I want to have a system wide default. For that, I rely on the xorg.conf to provide that and never have to invoke user preferences. On the WinXP system also share you are constrained to system wide settings. We are constantly chiding each other to change the settings back to the other's settings. Kind of like the toilet seat :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Display settings should not be per user
2010/2/12 Tobias Ringström tob...@ringis.se: I'm using two 1280x1024 displays rotated 90 degrees with an Nvidia graphics card, and I was very impressed by Fedora 12, because it was the first Fedora release where I could get this setup working without using Nvidia's closed source driver, and I didn't even have to fiddle with xorg.conf. After a few very intuitive changes in gnome-display-properties, it was just perfect. I'm trying in vain to get Twinview to work with NVIDIA's proprietary drivers. You know, images that show in a 5x4 format on my Viewsonic monitor showing fullscreen in 5x4 format on my Sony TV and images that are 16x9 filling up all the TV screen. Do you believe this it is possible with the Nouveau driver? That would be wonderful, mainly if it wouldn't prevent me from installing a TV tuner later on. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Display settings should not be per user
On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 22:56 -0800, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: It would make sense for the cathode ray tube multisync monitors from the days of yore. Obsessive geek types could set the resolution very high to fit more source code on the screen... ... while those with poor eyesight could set the resolution very low, to make text larger and so easier to read. Why do people repeatedly get this so wrong? (Users and those making the systems.) The pixel count and resolution should be set to match the display card and the monitor, it's the FONT SIZE and graphics sizes that you should change. It's the *only* way to get things to work properly. Circles get drawn as circles, not eggs. Print previews are able to show things at real size on request, which puts an end to masses of test prints trying to get something you want printed at 1 cm square (for example) to actually print at the correct size. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
