Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot
yes, i only removed that extra 'c' from the /etc/fstab file and now automatically the /boot contents are there. But a new problem is now there which is: There are three titles sections coming automatically while rebooting and in /grub/grub.conf, for fedora 11, it showing two options and while logging in to any one i come to the same desktop. here is the output of /etc/fstab: # # /etc/fstab # Created by anaconda on Mon Jun 7 06:08:04 2010 # # Accessible filesystems, by reference, are maintained under '/dev/disk' # See man pages fstab(5), findfs(8), mount(8) and/or vol_id(8) for more info # UUID=a1198e23-8da4-47c4-90f1- d516fef0b796 /boot ext3 defaults,noatime,nodiratime1 2 /dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root / ext4 defaults,noatime,nodiratime1 1 /dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_swap swapswap defaults,noatime,nodiratime0 0 tmpfs /dev/shmtmpfs defaults,noatime,nodiratime0 0 devpts /dev/ptsdevpts gid=5,mode=6200 0 #devpts options modified by setup update to fix #515521 ugly way sysfs /syssysfs defaults,noatime,nodiratime0 0 proc/proc proc defaults,noatime,nodiratime0 0 tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 and i removed the extra 'c' which was there in the 8th line just after 1 2. now the output of df yields: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root 95846180 3345380 91528212 4% / /dev/sda8 198333 22204165890 12% /boot tmpfs 1025444 840 1024604 1% /dev/shm tmpfs 1025444 3092 1022352 1% /tmp tmpfs 1025444 0 1025444 0% /var/tmp and the output of /boot/grub/grub.conf (which now is there) is: # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,7) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root # initrd /initrd-version.img #boot=/dev/sda default=0 timeout=9 splashimage=(hd0,7)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Fedora (2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586) password --md5 $./ lock root (hd0,7) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586 ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586.img title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586) password --md5 $./ lock root (hd0,7) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 ro root=/dev/mapper/VolGroup-lv_root rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586.img title WinXP password --md5 $1$TFSQc/$RRcN/fhyzqi/YMHaOgEeA1 lock rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 Here, after updating the system (from the GUI, SystemAdministration---Software Update), i see in above two titles of Fedora, and why it is so? but the no. is bracket for two are different, respectively: 'title Fedora (2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586)' 'title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)' i am confused why it is so. thx -- Forwarded message -- From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 00:37:56 +0930 Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot On Sat, 2010-06-12 at 17:59 +0530, W.H. Kalpa Pathum wrote: As I know fstab only shows the mounted partitions. fstab holds the mount points for things that will be mounted, they may be, they may not be, but it tables where they will be, and how (unless the mounting function specifies different options). mtab shows the current mount points. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot
Here, after updating the system (from the GUI, SystemAdministration---Software Update), i see in above two titles of Fedora, and why it is so? but the no. is bracket for two are different, respectively: 'title Fedora (2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586)' 'title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)' i am confused why it is so. thx This is because you updated which also updated the kernel. The two options are for the two kernels you have installed. The old one and the new one -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Support for audio on webcams
On 06/14/2010 08:19 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: This may be related to x86_64 install, but I'm told there's an issue in 32 bit as well. I have a webcam, Logitech laptop model, and I'm trying to capture to sound and audio. File a bug report against the kernel and cc hdegoede AT redhat.com Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 23:45 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I need to back up 20 GB of Windows data from a hard drive onto DVDs so that a Windows user can access it. I can read the Windows hard drive just fine. What software might I use to automagically split the data into DVD sized chunks and write it to a DVD ? It would be nice if it didn't put half of one dir on one DVD and the second half on another. I know this will happen with any dir that is larger than a DVD, but it would be nice if it didn't do that for the rest. http://sourceforge.net/projects/discspan/ The just-released 0.2.0 version still has a couple of bugs. The --test option does not prevent disc burning. You may also have to edit /etc/discspan.ini to reduce the max size spec for a DVD blank by 10-12M to prevent overflows. I've learned that not all DVD-Rs are the same size. All DVD+Rs appear to be, and should burn faster. Hope this helps. --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 22:35 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: That isn't going to make people very happy. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1338207/Adobe-Temporarily-Kills-64-Bit-Flash-For-Linux Or are you reading that the wrong way? i.e. Has it left beta testing status, for the next phase? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and resume
On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 20:35 +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: Bzzzt. You just lost developer interest. Which can be countered with: You lose user interest when the other drivers can't do what you need them to. There's plenty of posts about that. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:21 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: Here, after updating the system (from the GUI, SystemAdministration---Software Update), i see in above two titles of Fedora, and why it is so? but the no. is bracket for two are different, respectively: 'title Fedora (2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586)' 'title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)' i am confused why it is so. When you install updated kernels, they're added to the system, and previously installed kernels are kept. The newest one will be at the top of the list. This allows you to work around a problem with a kernel, if you have one, by booting up with one that worked previously. And on that note, I recommend keeping more than the default two or three kernels, just in case some problem sneaks in that takes you a while to notice. The more options you have to test with, the better. You can change the number of kernels that will be kept from within the /etc/yum.conf file. There'll be an installonly_limit line like this installonly_limit=3 somewhere in that file, or you can add it if there isn't one. On my system, I bumped it up to 6. That gives me plenty of things to test problems against, and doesn't waste too much space and updating time. The more kernels you keep, the more time yum takes to figure out dependencies, etc., when you do a yum update. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and resume
Slightly OT, perhaps, but I find hibernation works fine under Fedora-13. The only minor problem (if you can call it that) is that ssh connections are lost on resumption. Is there any simple way of overcoming this? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:25 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 22:35 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: That isn't going to make people very happy. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1338207/Adobe-Temporarily-Kills-64-Bit-Flash-For-Linux Or are you reading that the wrong way? i.e. Has it left beta testing status, for the next phase? Good Riddance. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and resume
On 14/06/2010 12:00, Timothy Murphy wrote: Slightly OT, perhaps, but I find hibernation works fine under Fedora-13. The only minor problem (if you can call it that) is that ssh connections are lost on resumption. Is there any simple way of overcoming this? Your closing the network connection so it will close the SSH tunnel...remember your are actually turning off the PC -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: sshd get path to authorized_keys file wrong
On Thursday 10 June 2010 20:32:50 Mike Williams wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:45 AM, Barry Scott barry.sc...@onelan.co.uk wrote: We are seeing an sshd_config that used to work on f12 failing on f13. When doing ssh r...@host: Jun 10 11:34:32 f12barry sshd[23030]: Failed publickey for root from 192.168.7.232 port 39169 ssh2 Notice the public key file is //.ssh/authorized_keys. ---sshd_config-- Port 22 I have two suggestions and a couple comments for you. This is a know bug with the openssh sources in F13. There is a patched openssh that will hit updates soon. 1) comment out the line with AuthorizedKeysFile The AuthorizedKeysFile lines is not parsed correctly. Its is always turned into an abs path. This is the bug the the update will fix. In comparing your sshd_config with one from a working f13 system I noticed that I had that line commented out, when I uncommented I got a failure similar to what you mentioned. 2) modify the AuthorizedKeysFile to match the line below (the %h causes sshd to look in $HOME/.ssh) AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys I used: AuthorizedKeysFile /%h/.ssh/authorized_keys which works inspite of the bug. Both of the above worked for me, after I broke the system by uncommenting the AutorizedKeysFile line. Your log it lists port 39169, but the sshd_config you posted has Port 22 - I'm guessing what you posted as your sshd_config doesn't match what was in place when the log messages occurred. That will be the clients port not the server port. I never allow root login, it just seems like asking for big trouble. I always set PermitRootLogin no and use sudo or su - as needed after logging in as a normal user, which seems much safer. In general I agree but in the case of the product this script comes from its not. The user can turn off SSH from the products web ui if they are concerned. Please post another message saying whether or not the AuthorizedKeysFile change(s) worked for you. Done. Barry -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and resume
Michal wrote: On 14/06/2010 12:00, Timothy Murphy wrote: Slightly OT, perhaps, but I find hibernation works fine under Fedora-13. The only minor problem (if you can call it that) is that ssh connections are lost on resumption. Is there any simple way of overcoming this? Your closing the network connection so it will close the SSH tunnel...remember your are actually turning off the PC I sort of understood that, but just wondered if by chance there was a simple way of getting hibernate to note which connections it was closing, and try tp re-open them on when on resumption. Eg autofs seems to re-mount remote folders easily enough. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
What is a forward map in dhcp?
When my son tries to connect to our LAN with his Blackberry, the request is first refused and then accepted. Why is this? --- Jun 13 08:13:50 helen dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d via eth1 Jun 13 08:13:50 helen dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.2.209 to 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d (BLACKBERRY-4A9A) via eth1 Jun 13 08:13:51 helen dhcpd: Unable to add forward map from BLACKBERRY-4A9A.gayleard.com to 192.168.2.209: not authorized Jun 13 08:13:51 helen dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.2.209 (192.168.2.2) from 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d (BLACKBERRY-4A9A) via eth1 Jun 13 08:13:51 helen dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.2.209 to 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d (BLACKBERRY-4A9A) via eth1 --- Why does he require authorization (at first), and how could I give it to him? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What is a forward map in dhcp?
On 06/14/2010 01:39 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: When my son tries to connect to our LAN with his Blackberry, the request is first refused and then accepted. ... Unable to add forward map from BLACKBERRY-4A9A.gayleard.com to : not authorized It is trying to update the DNS server, setting the name BLACKBERRY-4A9A.gayleard.com to point at 192.168.2.209, that's the forward map. Do you need this? Mogens -- Mogens Kjaer, m...@lemo.dk http://www.lemo.dk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What is a forward map in dhcp?
Timothy Murphy wrote: When my son tries to connect to our LAN with his Blackberry, the request is first refused and then accepted. Why is this? --- Jun 13 08:13:50 helen dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d via eth1 Jun 13 08:13:50 helen dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 192.168.2.209 to 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d (BLACKBERRY-4A9A) via eth1 Jun 13 08:13:51 helen dhcpd: Unable to add forward map from BLACKBERRY-4A9A.gayleard.com to 192.168.2.209: not authorized Jun 13 08:13:51 helen dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.2.209 (192.168.2.2) from 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d (BLACKBERRY-4A9A) via eth1 Jun 13 08:13:51 helen dhcpd: DHCPACK on 192.168.2.209 to 00:23:7a:7e:a9:4d (BLACKBERRY-4A9A) via eth1 --- Why does he require authorization (at first), and how could I give it to him? The client (blackberry) is asking for a map to be established and the DHCP server refuses to do that. Nothing critical, anyway. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and resume
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:37 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: I sort of understood that, but just wondered if by chance there was a simple way of getting hibernate to note which connections it was closing, and try tp re-open them on when on resumption. I'd imagine you'd have to have password-less SSH sessions, to even attempt to do that (ones where you're using a shared keyfile, rather than typing in a password). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On 06/14/2010 12:54 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Bill Davidsendavid...@tmr.com wrote: That isn't going to make people very happy. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1338207/Adobe-Temporarily-Kills-64-Bit-Flash-For-Linux Guess I'll just continue to use 10.0 R45 Beta 64-bit like I have been since February when it was released. I works well enough for me. Yes, it crashes sometimes, but not often. In fact, since I cleaned Totem (and its related/unneeded dependencies) off my system--first with F9 and then with F12--in favor of mplayer, I've had a lot less video streaming/playing problems. However, I still have that Hulu-won't-play-with-64bit-Flash problem, except by using their 64-bit desktop player. B This might be OK if they hadn't admitted that the version you are running has some huge security hole. I have put the new 32 bit flash player on my 64 bit Fedora 11 machine, and the audio keeps stopping. The audio will only restart if I shut down Firefox and restart it. I have put the new 32 bit flash player on my 32 bit Fedora 13 HP5101 netbook, and things are much more fun. It seems to be showing up some kernel bug, as I get kernel errors every now and then, and the whole screen scrambles. Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Hibernate and resume
On 14/06/2010 12:37, Timothy Murphy wrote: Michal wrote: On 14/06/2010 12:00, Timothy Murphy wrote: Slightly OT, perhaps, but I find hibernation works fine under Fedora-13. The only minor problem (if you can call it that) is that ssh connections are lost on resumption. Is there any simple way of overcoming this? Your closing the network connection so it will close the SSH tunnel...remember your are actually turning off the PC I sort of understood that, but just wondered if by chance there was a simple way of getting hibernate to note which connections it was closing, and try tp re-open them on when on resumption. Eg autofs seems to re-mount remote folders easily enough. Hmm well possibly, by using a script that kicks in at hibernation, but you would need to decide whether it's any SSH connection open at that time, or if it's always the same. If it's always the same you could just have a script to open them on start up. If it's any SSH connection open at that time, it would need more work...but maybe there is a better way then what I'm suggesting -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: What is a forward map in dhcp?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:39 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: When my son tries to connect to our LAN with his Blackberry, the request is first refused and then accepted. Why is this? It doesn't look like it is accepted, the next request is a different thing (not a forward map). Though, on the other hand, is it really the client asking for that hostname, or your DHCP is trying to set that name into the DNS records, itself, and failing at that. Updating has to be allowed on the DHCP and DNS servers, and there has to be an method of allowing it (e.g. a shared key file between DNS and DHCP server). When a DHCP client requests an address, there's (potentiallY) several parts to the request, all handled (and logged) separately. The client may ask to use a particular IP, it's given an IP, the client can ask to use a particular hostname, it may be given a hostname, its IP may be written into the DNS records, it's hostname may be written into the DNS records. Why does he require authorization (at first), and how could I give it to him? It stops rogue users connecting and asking to be given a hostname like mail, for example, and insert themselves as your mail server. To allow clients to set their own domain names into your DNS/DHCP records, you need to configure your servers to allow that. That said, I see no point in it, and if you do, you must lock out any hostnames that would subvert something else. On my LAN, my DHCP server does update records in my DNS server, but it updates them with the names that the server doles out. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Subject: Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot
-- Forwarded message -- From: Larry Brower la...@maxqe.com To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 01:55:22 -0500 Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot Here, after updating the system (from the GUI, SystemAdministration---Software Update), i see in above two titles of Fedora, and why it is so? but the no. is bracket for two are different, respectively: 'title Fedora (2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586)' 'title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)' i am confused why it is so. thx This is because you updated which also updated the kernel. The two options are for the two kernels you have installed. The old one and the new one yes, the two kernels. -- Forwarded message -- From: Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:09:36 +0930 Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:21 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: Here, after updating the system (from the GUI, SystemAdministration---Software Update), i see in above two titles of Fedora, and why it is so? but the no. is bracket for two are different, respectively: 'title Fedora (2.6.30.10-105.2.23.fc11.i586)' 'title Fedora (2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586)' i am confused why it is so. When you install updated kernels, they're added to the system, and previously installed kernels are kept. The newest one will be at the top of the list. This allows you to work around a problem with a kernel, if you have one, by booting up with one that worked previously. And on that note, I recommend keeping more than the default two or three kernels, just in case some problem sneaks in that takes you a while to notice. The more options you have to test with, the better. You can change the number of kernels that will be kept from within the /etc/yum.conf file. There'll be an installonly_limit line like this installonly_limit=3 somewhere in that file, or you can add it if there isn't one. the line is exactly like 'installonly_limit=3'. On my system, I bumped it up to 6. That gives me plenty of things to test problems against, and doesn't waste too much space and updating time. The more kernels you keep, the more time yum takes to figure out dependencies, etc., when you do a yum update. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. but if we have more kernels, it occupies more space, may be less, though it may be good for testing purpose but for disk utility is it okay always to have more than one kernel? thx -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
NFS
When running a NFS server on Fedora how can I see what files are in use by others over the NFS mount? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 09:24 AM, Ray Pittigher wrote: When running a NFS server on Fedora how can I see what files are in use by others over the NFS mount? the lsof(8) will give you this information and a lot more. Most likely you will want to pipe the output through grep(1) -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
lsof | grep NFS server works for me. On 06/14/2010 08:24 AM, Ray Pittigher wrote: When running a NFS server on Fedora how can I see what files are in use by others over the NFS mount? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 14:54 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I'm thinking of getting an Intel 160 GB SSD. How would it work under Linux ? I'm using ext4 for that drive right now. Is there a better filesystem for SSDs ? Is there anything that I should be aware of as far as switching ? UPDATE I ordered a 160 GB Intel 25nm SSD. I'll install it next week. Thanks for all the replies. Its very informative to see the discussion around this topic. Fedora rocks ! If anyone wants before and after speed tests, please supply the scripts they would like to see run. Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Support for audio on webcams
Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 06/14/2010 08:19 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: This may be related to x86_64 install, but I'm told there's an issue in 32 bit as well. I have a webcam, Logitech laptop model, and I'm trying to capture to sound and audio. File a bug report against the kernel and cc hdegoede AT redhat.com Since other people claim they have audio working with the built-in webcam audio I was rather expecting someone to either tell me what setting I'm missing or what alternate app to use. I'm dubious it's really a bug, at least for now I have to assume that either some trick provides the analog audio so all the old apps will work, or that some app knows how to get useful audio on x86_64. Ignorance is more likely than error, at leat unless everyone says doesn't work for me either. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We can't solve today's problems by using the same thinking we used in creating them. - Einstein -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Steve Underwood ste...@coppice.org wrote: On 06/14/2010 12:54 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Bill Davidsendavid...@tmr.com wrote: That isn't going to make people very happy. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1338207/Adobe-Temporarily-Kills-64-Bit-Flash-For-Linux Guess I'll just continue to use 10.0 R45 Beta 64-bit like I have been since February when it was released. I works well enough for me. Yes, it crashes sometimes, but not often. In fact, since I cleaned Totem (and its related/unneeded dependencies) off my system--first with F9 and then with F12--in favor of mplayer, I've had a lot less video streaming/playing problems. However, I still have that Hulu-won't-play-with-64bit-Flash problem, except by using their 64-bit desktop player. B This might be OK if they hadn't admitted that the version you are running has some huge security hole. I thought 10.1 was the one with the problem. In any case, I don't think the hole will cause much problems with Linux based systems. When you read of the panic attacks people are having, it's usually about Windows systems. B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 02:25 -0500, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 23:45 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I need to back up 20 GB of Windows data from a hard drive onto DVDs so that a Windows user can access it. I can read the Windows hard drive just fine. What software might I use to automagically split the data into DVD sized chunks and write it to a DVD ? It would be nice if it didn't put half of one dir on one DVD and the second half on another. I know this will happen with any dir that is larger than a DVD, but it would be nice if it didn't do that for the rest. http://sourceforge.net/projects/discspan/ The just-released 0.2.0 version still has a couple of bugs. The --test option does not prevent disc burning. You may also have to edit /etc/discspan.ini to reduce the max size spec for a DVD blank by 10-12M to prevent overflows. I've learned that not all DVD-Rs are the same size. All DVD+Rs appear to be, and should burn faster. Hope this helps. It does. Thanks for the tip. I've downloaded it and it runs. I'll use it to write my discs tonight and report back. LG -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On 06/14/2010 10:25 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Is it me or are there lots of little instabilities in F13 ? Firefox, Evolution, etc ? Thanks I'm not having any issues with Firefox and don't use Evolution. My big issue is with Rhythmbox, but it's a continuing issue from F12. Sometimes, it just stops playing and requires a killall or force-quit to shut it down. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 22:35 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: That isn't going to make people very happy. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1338207/Adobe-Temporarily-Kills-64-Bit-Flash-For-Linux Or are you reading that the wrong way? i.e. Has it left beta testing status, for the next phase? I interpret this that development on the current code has stopped, along with releases--alphas, betas, whatever--and completely new code has been started from ground zero. My guess is that it's going to be a while before we see anything new for Linux. By that time, if Adobe is true to form, HTML5 will be fully implemented and out for two years, and there'll be no need Flash anymore. ;-) Praise the day! B -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 02:25 -0500, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 23:45 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I need to back up 20 GB of Windows data from a hard drive onto DVDs so that a Windows user can access it. I can read the Windows hard drive just fine. What software might I use to automagically split the data into DVD sized chunks and write it to a DVD ? It would be nice if it didn't put half of one dir on one DVD and the second half on another. I know this will happen with any dir that is larger than a DVD, but it would be nice if it didn't do that for the rest. http://sourceforge.net/projects/discspan/ The just-released 0.2.0 version still has a couple of bugs. The --test option does not prevent disc burning. You may also have to edit /etc/discspan.ini to reduce the max size spec for a DVD blank by 10-12M to prevent overflows. I've learned that not all DVD-Rs are the same size. All DVD+Rs appear to be, and should burn faster. Hope this helps. It does. Thanks for the tip. I've downloaded it and it runs. I'll use it to write my discs tonight and report back. Let me know if you run into any problems. I've been in contact with the author and through hacking together some code to get it to work with Python 2.6 was largely responsible in causing the rewrite. None of my code ended up in the rewrite but the --test and --disk-start options were my ideas. I'm not sure if I did something wrong but when I tried to use it to backup my pictures I ended up a disc short. I had ~21GB to backup on 5 discs and only 4 were burned. Like I said, I'm not sure if it's a bug or something I did so I'm very interested in your results. Thanks, Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On 06/14/2010 11:20 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Mon, 6/14/10, Steve Underwoodste...@coppice.org wrote: On 06/14/2010 12:54 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Sun, 6/13/10, Bill Davidsendavid...@tmr.com wrote: That isn't going to make people very happy. http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/06/11/1338207/Adobe-Temporarily-Kills-64-Bit-Flash-For-Linux Guess I'll just continue to use 10.0 R45 Beta 64-bit like I have been since February when it was released. I works well enough for me. Yes, it crashes sometimes, but not often. In fact, since I cleaned Totem (and its related/unneeded dependencies) off my system--first with F9 and then with F12--in favor of mplayer, I've had a lot less video streaming/playing problems. However, I still have that Hulu-won't-play-with-64bit-Flash problem, except by using their 64-bit desktop player. B This might be OK if they hadn't admitted that the version you are running has some huge security hole. I thought 10.1 was the one with the problem. In any case, I don't think the hole will cause much problems with Linux based systems. When you read of the panic attacks people are having, it's usually about Windows systems. B I believe 10.1 is supposed to be the big fix for problems in 10.0.something. They wouldn't have release 10.1 last Friday if it was supposed to have the serious fault they reported a few days before, would they? You cut the part of my message where I said 10.1 on a 32 bit machine appears to be causing kernel faults. If it can do that, who know what nasty things it could do if its insecure. Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On 06/14/2010 11:31 AM, Steven Stern wrote: On 06/14/2010 10:25 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Is it me or are there lots of little instabilities in F13 ? Firefox, Evolution, etc ? Thanks I'm not having any issues with Firefox and don't use Evolution. My big issue is with Rhythmbox, but it's a continuing issue from F12. Sometimes, it just stops playing and requires a killall or force-quit to shut it down. I also don't use Evolution. Firefox, however, has been a bit of a problem with regard to the Java plugin. My system is x86_64 and I don't want to use openJDK because I develop too much software using Sun's Java. The result has been that I uninstalled the Firefox that came with the fedora 13 install and installed the generic version from Mozilla remembering that the Java plugin needs to come from a 32 bit version of Sun's Java. This seems to be fine. So far that has been the only bump in the road. -- Roger Wells, P.E. SAIC 221 Third St Newport, RI 02840 401-847-4210 (voice) 401-849-1585 (fax) roger.k.we...@saic.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Bad hard drive or bad kernels ???
On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 10:09 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 03:00 -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: Linuxguy123 wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 23:50 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 21:22 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: [...] Have you run memcheck? You mean fsck ? Something runs about every 20 boots and it comes back clean. I haven't specifically run fsck. I think he means memtest. It's a boot style program which checks for common memory problems. Yes, memtest and not memcheck. Apologies for the mixup. Getting in here a little late... If your HD is failing, this may be a moot point, but one thing I started doing was having memtest, MHDD, and System Rescue CD images in my /boot partition and created GRUB boot options for them. If anyone is interested on how it's done I'll post some simple instructions. Please do ! Here's the short version: 1. Mount the System Rescue CD (ISO or real disc). 2. Copy the following files/directores (or all of them) into a directory: /boot/sysrcd bootdisk bootprog isolinux ntpasswd sysrcd.dat 3. Modify your /boot/grub/menu.lst with the following lines: title System Rescue CD root (hd0,0) --- This needs to be the same as your other menu entries and may not be (hd0,0) kernel /sysrcd/isolinux/rescue64 subdir=sysrcd --- I'm running the 64bit version, adjust accordingly initrd /sysrcd/isolinux/initram.igz title MHDD root (hd0,0) --- Same here kernel /sysrcd/isolinux/memdisk floppy initrd /sysrcd/bootdisk/mhdd.img title Memtest86 root (hd0,0) --- same here kernel /sysrcd/bootdisk/memtestp 4. How this works: System Rescue CD is a linux based system so it works like booting any other system but the initrd looks for the file sysrcd.dat hence the subdir option. MHDD is a floppy based image. Memdisk is part of syslinux and lets you boot all sorts of images directly from GRUB. You use the memdisk file as the kernel and the image you're trying to load as the inital ram disk. Memtest86 boots directly. Hope you find this helpful. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 09:24:51AM -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: When running a NFS server on Fedora how can I see what files are in use by others over the NFS mount? In classic NFS this isn't really possible. NFS is stateless, so on the server you can only see momentary reads and writes from files, you cannot see if a file is, say, opened by a client but the client is not reading and writing to it at that moment. Modern NFS is a little bit different. I think NFSv4 maintains more state on the server, and also you've got things like file locking, so maybe it is possible to get more information out in those cases. Someone else who knows about NFSv4 will have to answer that more definitively though. http://nfs.sourceforge.net/#faq_a6 File locking was available in earlier NFS versions as well, and /proc/locks would tell you what the locks on the server were though many would be local locks. Michael Young -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On 06/14/2010 05:25 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Is it me or are there lots of little instabilities in F13 ? No, it's not just you. I am facing quite some amount of instabilities with F13. Firefox, Evolution, etc ? I am also facing instabilities with firefox. No idea what is causing them. Symptoms are firefox comitting suicide every now and then (ca. once a day) and leaving pulseaudio in unusable shape behind. ATM, I don't use evolution, but I am considering switching to it because I am experiencing an amount of bugs/defects in thunderbirds, I find hardly toleratable (TB displaying corrupt subject-lines, filtering occasionally not working, not being able to create IMAP subfolders ...). Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:25 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: Is it me or are there lots of little instabilities in F13 ? Firefox, Evolution, etc ? I use Chromium rather than FF. The only problem is that Java (IcedTea plugin for x86_64) has decided to stop working, but I think FF users are seeing the same thing so it's a Java problem. Evolution seems to be working fine, in fact it hasn't been this stable for a long time. Perhaps if you explain what you mean people might be able to comment more intelligently. Lots of little instabilites doesn't really say much. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On 06/14/2010 09:52 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Timignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 16:00 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: No, it's connected through IPP: ipp://hobbes.localdomain:631/printers/Photosmart-C5500-series Does hobbes.localdomain always resolve to the print server's IP address? And does it do so on the other client computers? Yup, I'm not using anything special, it's just a home network with all the IP-Host translations in /etc/hosts. I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. I was out of town this weekend so I haven't had a lot of time to see what's going on but I'm going to try shutting down the firewall completely to see if it makes a difference. I don't think it will. I tried that last week just to see if the printer auto-discovery would work but I'm going to shut it down and try nmap again. Richard Richard , Keep in mind that Fedora has a DNS problem beacause of IPV6. I have to create a separate file in /etc/dhclient-eth0.conf and enter the line; prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; And I have to start dnsmasq in Services if you have extra ethx or wlan or what ever you have make extra files in /etc The way you can tell if you have this problem is if you can't connect to certain websites through yum or I couldn't even connect to NTP connections to get time, or connect to RpmFusion.org. Don't pay any attention to how Firefox handles these websites it has it's own IPV6 setups. Some Say if you check or uncheck the box in Network Configuration about using IPV6, that will fix the problem. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients are doing from the server side? On 06/14/2010 10:32 AM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: lsof | grepNFS server works for me. On 06/14/2010 08:24 AM, Ray Pittigher wrote: When running a NFS server on Fedora how can I see what files are in use by others over the NFS mount? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. -- Ray Pittigher Software Development Environment Department --phone 973-284-2275 --pager 973-880-0224 --email raymond.pittig...@itt.com --wireless email 9738800...@archwireless.net http://acdnjpvcs/tmtrack/tmtrack.dll for all your SDE Support needs I'm sure Vista is wonderful. I'm sure XBox is great, too. A Microsoft person said so. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
I had a problem with firefox and java. Never really got rid of it, but if I restored the previous firefox sessino when I opened firefox, in about two minutes the machine would stop dead. Top when it died showed nothing useful except that java had the CPU (and a good bit of it). On 06/14/2010 10:56 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 06/14/2010 05:25 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: Is it me or are there lots of little instabilities in F13 ? No, it's not just you. I am facing quite some amount of instabilities with F13. Firefox, Evolution, etc ? I am also facing instabilities with firefox. No idea what is causing them. Symptoms are firefox comitting suicide every now and then (ca. once a day) and leaving pulseaudio in unusable shape behind. ATM, I don't use evolution, but I am considering switching to it because I am experiencing an amount of bugs/defects in thunderbirds, I find hardly toleratable (TB displaying corrupt subject-lines, filtering occasionally not working, not being able to create IMAP subfolders ...). Ralf -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Ah, I see... That is going to be a problem. One (unsatisfying) way would be to set up shared key ssh, then loop through all hosts running lsof on each host. Not sure what problem you're trying to solve, ... On 06/14/2010 11:25 AM, Ray Pittigher wrote: Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients are doing from the server side? On 06/14/2010 10:32 AM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: lsof | grepNFS server works for me. On 06/14/2010 08:24 AM, Ray Pittigher wrote: When running a NFS server on Fedora how can I see what files are in use by others over the NFS mount? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:20 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: In any case, I don't think the hole will cause much problems with Linux based systems. When you read of the panic attacks people are having, it's usually about Windows systems. Linux is vulnerable too, we should not be so complacent. Windows is, of course, always targeted first because of its ubiquitousness, and there are some design flaws in Windows (such as, the logged-in user often has too many privileges) that make it more vulnerable. But let's not kid ourselves and go around thinking we are invulnerable, because we're not. It would certainly be possible to exploit this vulnerability on Linux and do some sufficiently nasty stuff (such as turning your machine into a spam source) that wouldn't require getting root access. It is only a matter of time before the hackers turn their attention to Linux, particularly if they know that Linux users do not have an update path and are therefore likely to remain vulnerable. --Greg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 10:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: None of my code ended up in the rewrite but the --test and --disk-start options were my ideas. I'm not sure if I did something wrong but when I tried to use it to backup my pictures I ended up a disc short. I had ~21GB to backup on 5 discs and only 4 were burned. Like I said, I'm not sure if it's a bug or something I did so I'm very interested in your results. Richard, I sent James a very long epistle detailing the problems I encountered. --test didn't work for me, and my indicated 14-disc set ended up burning only 13. I had to reduce the DVD+R size in the .ini file from 4.377G to 4.365G to avoid overflow. I thought that might increase the disc count, but it didn't. --Doc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients are doing from the server side? [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] AFAIK there is no general solution to this. As has already been noted, NFS started life as a stateless server and some clients are still going to use it that way since it has efficiency benefits among others. IOW the server doesn't *know* what clients are using it, because the server has no state to represent the fact that a file was opened by a client but not yet closed. The client side does of course have open files, but that's handled internally in the client kernel. NFSv4 changes this somewhat, but not all the time and not in every situation. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Ga I was wondering why I had to scroll past pages to find the newly added part of the conversation. Since it appears to be the rules, sure, but, gakk! On 06/14/2010 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients are doing from the server side? [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] AFAIK there is no general solution to this. As has already been noted, NFS started life as a stateless server and some clients are still going to use it that way since it has efficiency benefits among others. IOW the server doesn't *know* what clients are using it, because the server has no state to represent the fact that a file was opened by a client but not yet closed. The client side does of course have open files, but that's handled internally in the client kernel. NFSv4 changes this somewhat, but not all the time and not in every situation. poc -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 12:54 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: Ga I was wondering why I had to scroll past pages to find the newly added part of the conversation. Since it appears to be the rules, sure, but, gakk! On 06/14/2010 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:25 -0400, Ray Pittigher wrote: Yes that works on the client side but what about seeing what clients are doing from the server side? [Please don't top-post, on this list. See the Guidelines] Then why are you choosing to violate the no top posting rule. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Subject: Subject: Re: Amazing problem of /boot
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:33 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote: but if we have more kernels, it occupies more space, may be less, though it may be good for testing purpose but for disk utility is it okay always to have more than one kernel? I think some meaning is getting lost in translation. Unless you're running out of free space, or updates take too long to complete (as the computer has more files to compare), it's useful to keep more kernels. Only the one that you booted from is used, at the time. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
oh my gawd!!! are we doin a top/bottom post flame war again!!! alright.. all who are frmo san fran.. which do you like, top, or bottom!! and what about people who like diagonal posting.. and how about side posting... for those who can't make up their minds... any others that have been left out?? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. Hmm, couldn't have been a real usenet user then... But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. And I've been on dozens of lists, of which none of them used top posting. By the way, despite the bottom posting name, the idea is *not* to quote all of the prior message and respond under it. But to remove all of the prior post that isn't needed for your reply. Like I've done. Better still, is to intersperse your responses with the bits you're responded to, like I did (otherwise known as usenet style posting). Or, for those cases, where you're replying to a huge amount of waffle that defies easy editing, *briefly* summarise it before your response. Those who really need to see the entire prior message can look at the actual prior message. Then the next person gets to read a coherent conversation, top to bottom, and doesn't have to scroll up and down, all over the place, to make sense of replies disconnected from what they're responding to. order. this in conversations read world western mainstream the in us of None We don't put books back to front, nor the paragraphs. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 01:07 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: Yeah, just caught that after I hit send. But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. I frankly think such control is a bit Draconian, but it's not my list, so, I'll do the best I can. But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. Let's not get into a flame war over this. I belong to and run a number of listservs going back nearly 20 years. Many lists I am on (or have been on) have the though shalt not top post commandment. There is a sound reasoning for it. While I don't personally care whether a person top posts or bottom posts, it has been the rule on this list as long as I can remember. To specifically mention another list, I used to be on the SuSE Linux English list that had the same rule. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Anyone got sound with Intel ICH10 chipset? (stopped after F13 upgrade)
Digging into this further, I'm seeing that Phonon is the culprit here... If I use mplayer, rhythmbox, or banshee to pump audio through PulseAudio, it works fine. Amarok (and all of KDE for that matter), when pumping audio through Phonon, gets all botched up. For fun, I tried updating to the latest KDE/Qt packages in updates-testing, but they exhibit the same problem; stuttered audio on second song, sometimes requiring me to quit and restart Amarok before I can get it back on track (ooh, for all of _one_ song). :| On June 10, 2010, Graham TerMarsch wrote: Before filing a bug I thought I'd ask and see if anyone here has got sound working on Fedora-13 using an Intel ICH10 chipset. When I'd installed Fedora-12 on it last time I remember having to go through some grief in getting PulseAudio working with it, but once I followed the instructions online it worked great so I never thought about it again. After having re-installed fresh with Fedora-13, though, audio isn't working worth a ding. Sounds play, but stutter regularly. The more sounds you get queued up, the worse it gets (e.g. when I scroll the wheel to change desktops and it goes bing for each switch; worked great under F12 but stutters and then stalls under F13). Most annoying of all, music w/Amarok only plays *one* song reliably. After the song has ended, every song thereafter is out of sync and stutters horribly. I'm running F13, 64-bit, using KDE-4.4.3 as my desktop. Motherboard is a Gigabyte PE45-UD3P, with an Intel 82801JI (ICH10 Family) chipset, using ALC889A codec. I've tried switching the Phonon engine from Xine to Gstreamer and back, but the problem exists with both engines. I've tried tsched=0 but that made things worse, with sounds not only stuttering but also increasing in pitch. I've had a look at the h/w list for snd_hda_intel to see if any of the quirks devices listed there were close to this one, but didn't see anything that looked close. I've tried copying over the config I had on my old machine for PulseAudio and ALSA, but that didn't make any difference either. So anyone out there got this working and would care to share the secret? Or, shall I file a bug? :( -- Graham TerMarsch -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Actually, I have had a rather pleasant conversation with a gentleman offline. It is folks who post things like this which offer nothing constructive that encourage a flame war. Sometimes if you don't have anything useful to contribute, it's just best, well, not to contribute. On 06/14/2010 01:32 PM, bruce wrote: oh my gawd!!! are we doin a top/bottom post flame war again!!! alright.. all who are frmo san fran.. which do you like, top, or bottom!! and what about people who like diagonal posting.. and how about side posting... for those who can't make up their minds... any others that have been left out?? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Timignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. Hmm, couldn't have been a real usenet user then... But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. And I've been on dozens of lists, of which none of them used top posting. By the way, despite the bottom posting name, the idea is *not* to quote all of the prior message and respond under it. But to remove all of the prior post that isn't needed for your reply. Like I've done. Better still, is to intersperse your responses with the bits you're responded to, like I did (otherwise known as usenet style posting). Or, for those cases, where you're replying to a huge amount of waffle that defies easy editing, *briefly* summarise it before your response. Those who really need to see the entire prior message can look at the actual prior message. Then the next person gets to read a coherent conversation, top to bottom, and doesn't have to scroll up and down, all over the place, to make sense of replies disconnected from what they're responding to. order. this in conversations read world western mainstream the in us of None We don't put books back to front, nor the paragraphs. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 01:04 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 06/14/2010 11:50 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. Try turning off global indexing. EDIT - PREFERENCES - ADVANCED - GENERAL Thanks Steve, but this is currently and has been off forever. I also can look at the add-ons. I only have Enigmail (for GNUPG), AdblockPlus, Remove duplicates, and English dictionary. I also have Thunderbrowse turned on (I thought I had it disabled), but I uninstalled it. I don't think that any of these are the culprit. As I did mentioned before while selecting a new message, if it is signed, it can take some time, but that is a known issue that I choose to live with. All of these addons have been installed prior to upgrading to Fedora 13. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:52 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. There are two firewall presets for CUPS, one to use that computer as a client, the other for if it's a server. You do need to poke a hole in the firewall for it to work as a client that can find the servers in your network. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 01:56 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Thanks Steve, but this is currently and has been off forever. I also can look at the add-ons. I only have Enigmail (for GNUPG), AdblockPlus, Remove duplicates, and English dictionary. I also have Thunderbrowse turned on (I thought I had it disabled), but I uninstalled it. I don't think that any of these are the culprit. As I did mentioned before while selecting a new message, if it is signed, it can take some time, but that is a known issue that I choose to live with. All of these addons have been installed prior to upgrading to Fedora 13 From my experience with Firefox, perhaps one of the plugins is using Java and that's the problem? -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
On 06/14/2010 01:43 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Let's not get into a flame war over this. I belong to and run a number of listservs going back nearly 20 years. Many lists I am on (or have been on) have the though shalt not top post commandment. There is a sound reasoning for it. While I don't personally care whether a person top posts or bottom posts, it has been the rule on this list as long as I can remember. To specifically mention another list, I used to be on the SuSE Linux English list that had the same rule. I have said before, not my list. Ya'll can make whatever rules you wish for whatever reason, it's my privilege or not. However, I've been doing this for a good 30 years. Chastising me for not doing it right every time really isn't going to do anything but frustrate us both. I'd suggest a comment in private is probably a much, much better way of handling this. The old credo is praise in public, criticize in private. Had the original admonishment been made in private, this would never have gone to the list and it would never have had the potential to turn into a flame war. also, if you've nothing useful to add, refer to my prior post. -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 01:08 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: On 06/14/2010 12:04 PM, Steven Stern wrote: On 06/14/2010 11:50 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: In the past, Thunderbird would freeze temporarily while waiting to obtain a GPG key or to load some graphics. However in Thunderbird 3.04 on Fedora 13 (x86_64) I'm seeing some issues where the screen goes dark, even while I am composing. After a short while, it cathes up. My system is an x86_64 system with 6GB RAM and an AMD quad core processor. I have 2 sources I get email from, (1) gmail via IMAP, (2) my ISP via POP. AFAIK, Thunderbird downloads new email in the background, and has not affected the performance. What is annoying is that this freeze occurs while composing email, so that the other things, like waiting for a GPG key to be downloaded or waiting for a very large email body to display is not in play. I'm looking to see if anyone else is experiencing similar issues for corroboration purposes. For instance, I encountered it this morning before leaving for work. My system was relatively idle with firefox and Gnome-terminal running. I think I had about 3 relatively non-dynamic websites on firefox at the time. Try turning off global indexing. EDIT - PREFERENCES - ADVANCED - GENERAL I only see the hang when I upgrade T-Bird. Once I put up with the eons that the first access takes, it's pretty easy to live with. I moved to T-Bird from Claws (on Linux of course) a few years ago. I generally use the version on T-Bird that is on the current Fedora repo. The freeze condition that I see is just an annoying pain because it occurs while I am typing. it is possible that the issue may not be directly related to thunderbird, but possibly something with the nVidia driver, but my gut feel at the moment is that T-Bird is doing something that affects echoing the keystrokes. I need to do a bit more testing and see if I can find the culprit. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 03:00 PM, Dale J. Chatham wrote: On 06/14/2010 01:56 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Thanks Steve, but this is currently and has been off forever. I also can look at the add-ons. I only have Enigmail (for GNUPG), AdblockPlus, Remove duplicates, and English dictionary. I also have Thunderbrowse turned on (I thought I had it disabled), but I uninstalled it. I don't think that any of these are the culprit. As I did mentioned before while selecting a new message, if it is signed, it can take some time, but that is a known issue that I choose to live with. All of these addons have been installed prior to upgrading to Fedora 13 From my experience with Firefox, perhaps one of the plugins is using Java and that's the problem? Possibly, but at this point I would doubt it. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: NFS
Dale, if your statement was directed to my posting... get a better grip.. i was using the well honed process of SARCASM!!! every so often, on god knows how many forum/threads.. the issue of correct posting jumps up... those of us who've been using email since the early 80s no longer really care about the correct way.. it seems to bite some email police in the butts though! peace! On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Dale J. Chatham d...@chatham.org wrote: Actually, I have had a rather pleasant conversation with a gentleman offline. It is folks who post things like this which offer nothing constructive that encourage a flame war. Sometimes if you don't have anything useful to contribute, it's just best, well, not to contribute. On 06/14/2010 01:32 PM, bruce wrote: oh my gawd!!! are we doin a top/bottom post flame war again!!! alright.. all who are frmo san fran.. which do you like, top, or bottom!! and what about people who like diagonal posting.. and how about side posting... for those who can't make up their minds... any others that have been left out?? On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Timignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 12:07 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: But to answer your question, I have *NEVER* posted this way. You're fighting over 15 years of training to do it otherwise. Hmm, couldn't have been a real usenet user then... But, given 15 years, and this being the *ONLY* list (of upward of 50 that I'm on) that insists on this standard, well, do the math. And I've been on dozens of lists, of which none of them used top posting. By the way, despite the bottom posting name, the idea is *not* to quote all of the prior message and respond under it. But to remove all of the prior post that isn't needed for your reply. Like I've done. Better still, is to intersperse your responses with the bits you're responded to, like I did (otherwise known as usenet style posting). Or, for those cases, where you're replying to a huge amount of waffle that defies easy editing, *briefly* summarise it before your response. Those who really need to see the entire prior message can look at the actual prior message. Then the next person gets to read a coherent conversation, top to bottom, and doesn't have to scroll up and down, all over the place, to make sense of replies disconnected from what they're responding to. order. this in conversations read world western mainstream the in us of None We don't put books back to front, nor the paragraphs. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adobe (Temporarily?) Kills 64-Bit Flash For Linux
Tim wrote: We're likely to have yet another encumbered format foisted upon everyone, as everyone knows that everyone uses Windows, with a few Mac users, all of which will get a licensed player... WebM[1] seems to be the likely candidate. Fedora added support for it last week. [1] http://www.webmproject.org/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Status of SSDs under Fedora ?
John Austin wrote: 3. Does setting the discard option do everything that is required to enable TRIM to do its job with no further action? Yes. 4. Is it safe to use the discard option yet? I am using ext4 on /boot. btrfs on /. No issues with /boot or /. There were a few mailings[1] about performance issues with btrfs, but I have not seen any negative effects in normal desktop usage. [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-bt...@vger.kernel.org/msg03443.html -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:52 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. There are two firewall presets for CUPS, one to use that computer as a client, the other for if it's a server. You do need to poke a hole in the firewall for it to work as a client that can find the servers in your network. I'm not sure if you read the first message, but yes, I have the appropriate holes poked in the firewall. My other desktop (MythTV machine) works fine. I have also verified the firewall with iptables -S | grep 631 Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 03:10 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: I moved to T-Bird from Claws (on Linux of course) a few years ago. I generally use the version on T-Bird that is on the current Fedora repo. The freeze condition that I see is just an annoying pain because it occurs while I am typing. it is possible that the issue may not be directly related to thunderbird, but possibly something with the nVidia driver, but my gut feel at the moment is that T-Bird is doing something that affects echoing the keystrokes. I need to do a bit more testing and see if I can find the culprit. Things to look at: (1) Offline storage .. unlikely but possible if slow local disk. (2) Try latest 3.1.1.pre from upstream - I have no problems with it (32 bit only fyi) .. gene -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
Jerry Feldman wrote: snip I think the offline storage is very unlikely as there was not (or should not have been) any disk I/O activity at the times. thunderbird does produce disk i/o activity when in compose mode. there is a storing of message in 'drafts folder' and is set with 'preferences'. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 10:37 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: None of my code ended up in the rewrite but the --test and --disk-start options were my ideas. I'm not sure if I did something wrong but when I tried to use it to backup my pictures I ended up a disc short. I had ~21GB to backup on 5 discs and only 4 were burned. Like I said, I'm not sure if it's a bug or something I did so I'm very interested in your results. Richard, I sent James a very long epistle detailing the problems I encountered. --test didn't work for me, and my indicated 14-disc set ended up burning only 13. I had to reduce the DVD+R size in the .ini file from 4.377G to 4.365G to avoid overflow. I thought that might increase the disc count, but it didn't. Looks like it wasn't just me then. I'll take a look as the code and see if it is something I can figure out. Richard Ok, here is the new and improved script. This patch has not yet been accepted by the author but it should work for you. Summary of changes: - Burns the correct number of discs (needed a disc_num - 1 because lists start at 0, not 1) - Now defaults to not spewing all the file names, use -v or --verbose if you want to see it. - Spits out how many files will be written to each disk - --test redirects device to /dev/null, but still goes through all the motions including generating the iso files. If you've already burned your files, just burn disc 1 over since that's the one it was skipping. Let me know if you have any issues. Thanks, Richard discspan.py Description: Binary data discspan.patch Description: Binary data -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
Should have mentioned, discspan.py already has the changes, I just included the patch file if you want to see what changed. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
On 6/14/10, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: Marvin Kosmal wrote: snip In my case. It is google... It wants to top post.. I have to fight it.. is google making you top post, or is google putting your cursor at top of quoted so you can trim dead history and reply interspersed? Maybe there is a setting I haven't seen that will bottom post for me.. why changed settings. how would google or any email client know what you want to reply to? i know gmail and thunderbird do not know what i want to reply to, so i have them set to start at top of quoted message. just seems logical to me to do it that way. I much prefer that for technical stuff. (This list) lol. this is technical. ;) YMMV fttt. -- peace out. tc,hago. g . OK So I just fixed my own problem.. Don't know why I didn't notice it before.. There is a bar called More Options Click on that and it brings up all the text and I can scroll to the bottom.. Thanks Marvin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
On 06/14/2010 04:24 PM, g wrote: why changed settings. how would google or any email client know what you want to reply to? i know gmail and thunderbird do not know what i want to reply to, so i have them set to start at top of quoted message While many email programs, such as T-Bird give you a choice of either top or bottom posting, some email programs can be set up on a per folder basis. When I reply in my Fedora list folder, my cursor is positioned at the bottom, but in some other folders I have it set up to top post. I don't remember where or how I set this up, but that is the way I have mine set up, and have had since shortly after I adopted T-Bird. I also know that Claws could do this. I don't know what capabilities other email programs have. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 12/13 network printer oddness
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 08:52 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-11 at 16:00 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: No, it's connected through IPP: ipp://hobbes.localdomain:631/printers/Photosmart-C5500-series Does hobbes.localdomain always resolve to the print server's IP address? And does it do so on the other client computers? Yup, I'm not using anything special, it's just a home network with all the IP-Host translations in /etc/hosts. I think it has something to do with my wife's laptop but I have no idea what's going on. I scanned her IP with nmap and it couldn't find any trace that her laptop is even there, however, all network connections coming FROM her laptop continue to work fine. I was out of town this weekend so I haven't had a lot of time to see what's going on but I'm going to try shutting down the firewall completely to see if it makes a difference. I don't think it will. I tried that last week just to see if the printer auto-discovery would work but I'm going to shut it down and try nmap again. Richard Is your wife's laptop running Linux? If not it may not see the printer and you might have to use samba. Yes, I should have been more explicit, but both machines were F12 or F13 at the same time. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
[OT] A questions about Fedora/KVM friendly hardware
Hello, I was running Fedora's Virt-manager w/ Qemu/Kqemu, after some change in Qemu (no more support Kqemu) i have switched to VMware Player in my laptop/ and VMware Server in my home workstation/server (i have tested Virtualbox too), now i want to buy a new Motherboard/CPU that support Hardware Virt (my choose is AMD Phenom/Athlon) my question is: Does anyone have a experience with sapphire [1] motherboard with KVM under Fedora ? [1] http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=2psn=000102 Best regards. -- Athmane Madjoudj -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Unexplained temporary freezes in Thunderbird Fedora 13
On 06/14/2010 04:33 PM, g wrote: Jerry Feldman wrote: snip I think the offline storage is very unlikely as there was not (or should not have been) any disk I/O activity at the times. thunderbird does produce disk i/o activity when in compose mode. there is a storing of message in 'drafts folder' and is set with 'preferences'. This is true, I didn't think of it. Could also be related to my /home logical volume is huge. When I installed Fedora 13, It was relatively small, and I had another folder for downloads, isos, and virtual machines. I don't know why this is a very noticable problem on Fedora 13 when it was not in Fedora 12, except for the logical volume size. Again, I want to wait until it happens again so I can try to isolate the stuff going on rather than play a guessing game. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: top posting flame war (was NFS)
Marvin Kosmal wrote: snip So I just fixed my own problem.. only partly. Don't know why I didn't notice it before.. There is a bar called More Options who reads all of what is on page until they have need? Click on that and it brings up all the text and I can scroll to the bottom.. Thanks welcome. but you could do better by leaving at top so you can 'chop old wood' before you start replying. ;) -- peace out. tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. ** help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today. ** to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it. to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it. ** learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
Il giorno lun, 14/06/2010 alle 11.35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto: I use Chromium rather than FF. The only problem is that Java (IcedTea plugin for x86_64) has decided to stop working, but I think FF users are seeing the same thing so it's a Java problem. There is a broken symbolic link in /etc/alternatives for libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 I have resolve with this: ln -fs /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so /etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 Hope this help -- Dario Lesca d.le...@solinos.it -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F12: Palmiquist
Is there any way that I can use palmiquist (hard disk check) to automatically check and report any hard-disk failures? On F11, it was bubble-reported whenever there was a failing HD, but on F12 this does not seem to be the case? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F12: Palmiquist
On 06/14/2010 03:37 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: Is there any way that I can use palmiquist (hard disk check) to automatically check and report any hard-disk failures? On F11, it was bubble-reported whenever there was a failing HD, but on F12 this does not seem to be the case? Ok, never mind. It does report any HD failure automatically, just not warnings. I was not sure where to find Palmiquist in the menu, but now I have it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 23:25 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: Il giorno lun, 14/06/2010 alle 11.35 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto: I use Chromium rather than FF. The only problem is that Java (IcedTea plugin for x86_64) has decided to stop working, but I think FF users are seeing the same thing so it's a Java problem. There is a broken symbolic link in /etc/alternatives for libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 I have resolve with this: ln -fs /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so /etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so.x86_64 Thanks, but no. The link is correct but I get the error: /usr/lib/jvm/jre-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/lib/amd64/IcedTeaPlugin.so has crashed /var/log/messages contains: chromium-browse[28606]: segfault at f590 ip 003a75c7585c sp 7fff91954ea0 error 4 in libc-2.12.so[3a75c0+175000] which I guess is from the same source, though it doesn't mention Java. Note the reference to libc. I guess I'd better check BZ for this. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Another funny update?
Here's the last update suggestion I received today: == PackageArch Version RepositorySize == Installing: kernel x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12updates 21 M Updating: fuse x86_64 2.8.4-1.fc12 updates 71 k fuse-libs x86_64 2.8.4-1.fc12 updates 74 k kernel-firmwarenoarch 2.6.32.14-127.fc12updates 973 k kernel-headers x86_64 2.6.32.14-127.fc12updates 754 k sane-backends x86_64 1.0.21-2.fc12 updates 1.0 M sane-backends-libs x86_64 1.0.21-2.fc12 updates 2.0 M xscreensaver-base x86_64 1:5.11-4.1.fc12.respin1 updates 406 k Removing: kernel x86_64 2.6.32.10-90.fc12 @updates 103 M Removing for dependencies: kmod-nvidia-2.6.32.10-90.fc12.x86_64 x86_64 1:195.36.15-1.fc12.1 @rpmfusion-nonfree-updates13 M Transaction Summary == So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which means newbies will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system suddenly doesn't boot after an update. Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody working for Ubuntu here? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which means newbies will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system suddenly doesn't boot after an update. Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody working for Ubuntu here? For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and not knowing why or how to work around it. While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. But, if you want to take your customer service cues from British Petroleum, far be it from me, ... :) -- Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction. --Thomas Jefferson, letter to Wilson Nicholas, 1803 There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -- Ed Howdershelt (Author) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On 06/15/2010 07:00 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: More fun with Klipper! Just as it used to do before, most of the time, it's impossible to paste in gedit unless the first entry is reselected. In OOo, either using the middle mouse button or CTRL + V, what appears are a empty spaces or ^^^ ^ Please don't tell me I'm a ranter. I know. I know that no Klipper developer uses OOo and no OOo developer uses Klipper. I'm the only one. Even though using klipper, a KDE application, is a bit unusual in Gnome I gave it a try Able to close search box by simply clicking anywhere else on the desktop. Always able to select and paste any entry in gedit. No problems whatsoever pasting into OpenOffice applications All this on a fully updated F13 system. -- Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and grieve at a funeral? It is because we are not the person involved. -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On 06/15/2010 04:30 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: More fun with Klipper! Just as it used to do before, most of the time, it's impossible to paste in gedit unless the first entry is reselected. In OOo, either using the middle mouse button or CTRL + V, what appears are a empty spaces or ^^^ ^ Please don't tell me I'm a ranter. I know. I know that no Klipper developer uses OOo and no OOo developer uses Klipper. I'm the only one. Perhaps or perhaps you are seeing problems others have not. In either case, file a bug report with the details would be useful. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On 06/15/2010 04:43 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: = So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which means newbies will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system suddenly doesn't boot after an update. Fedora doesn't really target newbies but let's make sure the details are understood. Removing a kmod and a kernel doesn't make a system unbootable. If you prefer to, you can switchover to using akmod or set yum to preserve more kernels by default or never remove older kernels at all. Look up /etc/yum.conf for that. Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody working for Ubuntu here? This sort of rhetoric is unnecessary if you are looking for help. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 18:32 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and not knowing why or how to work around it. And how are they supposed to do that? I'm trying and failing to follow the logic here. RPMfusion and other repos are not enabled automatically by the Fedora installation process; the user has to take specific action to enable them and should be aware of the potential consequences. Are you proposing to outlaw third-party repos? If not, what are you proposing in order to keep people from crashing their new systems? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
Everything was fine in F12. Right now I have the following issues: 1) Network Manager doesn't have an icon in my system tray. 2) Firefox is a bit unstable from time to time. 3) Evolution refuses to connect to the network connection for the session. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
growisofs crashes system
... and I have a pile of coasters to prove it. dvd+rw-tools-7.1-4.fc12.x86_64 (there doesn't appear to be an F13 rpm). The problem arose when trying to burn a DVD from k3b. Finally I tried it from the command line: /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/sr0 -R -J My-Movie/ The system immediately freezes. It's wedged it won't even respond to pings. On rebooting last time I found nearly 900 copies of the following in /var/log/messages: Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Illegal Request [current] Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: Info fld=0x0 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Logical block address out of range Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: sr 6:0:0:0: [sr0] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 0 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0 Jun 14 19:03:59 bree kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 1 (the third line sometimes has fld=0x1 and the sector number sometimes changes, but that's about the only variation.) I then tried burning from k3b using wodim instead of growisofs, and that worked fine. Also, growisofs worked without problems in F12. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 19:05 -0600, linux guy wrote: Everything was fine in F12. Right now I have the following issues: 1) Network Manager doesn't have an icon in my system tray. 2) Firefox is a bit unstable from time to time. 3) Evolution refuses to connect to the network connection for the session. Sounds like NM isn't being started automatically by your session. You don't mention if you use KDE or Gnome. If KDE, you can put knetworkmanager (or nm-applet if you prefer) in Autostart, or just start it and save the session. For Gnome, I don't know. If you configured the network outside NM, that's why Evo thinks it's not connected. This might also be affecting FF (both of these apps ask NM if the connection is up, and believe the answer it gives). The rule of thumb is: if you use NM, use it for everything. Don't try to mix and match. Specifically, make sure NM is controlling the interfaces you use. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: growisofs crashes system
On 06/15/2010 09:18 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:ector number sometimes changes, but that's about the only variation.) I then tried burning from k3b using wodim instead of growisofs, and that worked fine. Also, growisofs worked without problems in F12. Just curious... Does it also file if you use -Z /dev/dvd or -Z /dev/dvd=some.iso? My F13 system doesn't have a DVD/RW drive to try for myself. -- QOTD: The only easy way to tell a hamster from a gerbil is that the gerbil has more dark meat. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 15:38 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: Should have mentioned, discspan.py already has the changes, I just included the patch file if you want to see what changed. Richard, I just finished writing out the 0 disc. Before that I confirmed that your --test fix works. Did you forward your patches to James? Thanks a bunch. ;-) --Doc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Which software for backing data up to DVDs ?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:53 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage dsav...@peaknet.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 15:38 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: Should have mentioned, discspan.py already has the changes, I just included the patch file if you want to see what changed. Richard, I just finished writing out the 0 disc. Before that I confirmed that your --test fix works. Did you forward your patches to James? Thanks a bunch. ;-) Yup! Haven't heard back yet though. Richard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Lots of instabilities in F13 ?
On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 20:53 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 19:05 -0600, linux guy wrote: Everything was fine in F12. Right now I have the following issues: 1) Network Manager doesn't have an icon in my system tray. 2) Firefox is a bit unstable from time to time. 3) Evolution refuses to connect to the network connection for the session. Sounds like NM isn't being started automatically by your session. You don't mention if you use KDE or Gnome. If KDE, you can put knetworkmanager (or nm-applet if you prefer) in Autostart, or just start it and save the session. For Gnome, I don't know. For Gnome: System -- Preferences -- Startup Applications and add an entry for NM if it is not there (nm-applet --sm-disabled is the command in my F13). If you configured the network outside NM, that's why Evo thinks it's not connected. This might also be affecting FF (both of these apps ask NM if the connection is up, and believe the answer it gives). The rule of thumb is: if you use NM, use it for everything. Don't try to mix and match. Specifically, make sure NM is controlling the interfaces you use. poc Germán. -- Germán A. Racca National Institute for Space Research (INPE) São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil http://gracca.tk - http://graccablog.tk -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 06/15/2010 07:00 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: More fun with Klipper! Just as it used to do before, most of the time, it's impossible to paste in gedit unless the first entry is reselected. In OOo, either using the middle mouse button or CTRL + V, what appears are a empty spaces or ^^^ ^ Please don't tell me I'm a ranter. I know. I know that no Klipper developer uses OOo and no OOo developer uses Klipper. I'm the only one. Even though using klipper, a KDE application, is a bit unusual in Gnome I gave it a try Able to close search box by simply clicking anywhere else on the desktop. Not here. You're really sure that if you select something after you made teh search it will appear at the top of the list? Always able to select and paste any entry in gedit. No problems whatsoever pasting into OpenOffice application More on this in my Answer to Rahul. All this on a fully updated F13 system. I use fedora 12 fully updated... except the last update. I hope you realise that, despite nothing works on your system like on mine, I really appreciate your answer. From there I made other tests. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13 OpenJDK bugs ?
Is anyone else seeing major stability issues with OpenJDK on F13? I can reliably kill Netbeans by repeatedly resizing any dialog window before swing gets a chance to repaint. This does not happen when using Sun 1.6.20. If anyone is interested, I used abrt to report this to bugzilla. See 603962. Regards, Dan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Klipper search box doesn't disappear
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps or perhaps you are seeing problems others have not. In either case, file a bug report with the details would be useful. Thanks to Ed's answer, I could figure this is a possibility. So, I made a few tests. 1) I rebooted. I still had to select the first entry before I could paste it. In OOo, I could now paste, also after reselecting the fisrt entry, but a new line was added. 2) So, I shut down the computer and rebooted with the modem (which is configured as a router, shut down. Everything worked perfectly except that I couldn't get rid of the search box, as usual. But pasting in gedit or OOo was OK. I never had problems pasting in Thunderbird. When I rebooted with the modem on, it seemed to me that the PC and TX/RX lights flashed for a long time -- maybe 3 seconds -- after logging in. Since the problem doesn't exist when I cold boot with the modem closed, it seems the problem is not on my system. IOW, it looks like a hack. If I file a bug report, I'll probably be the only one with this problem and it won't be taken into consideration. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Dale J. Chatham d...@chatham.org wrote: On 06/14/2010 06:29 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 19:13:59 -0400, Marcel Rieuxm.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: For this issue you are really complaining to the wrong people. kmod-nvidia is from their repository. If lack of an updated kmod-nvidia update needs to block a kernel update, it needs to be handled in that repo. Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and not knowing why or how to work around it. While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. Exactly. It's no use trying to find culprits: it must work. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
Marcel Rieux wrote: Some might argue that those who might be blamed by the unenlightened should do something to keep people from crashing their new systems and not knowing why or how to work around it. While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. Exactly. It's no use trying to find culprits: it must work. So what exactly is Fedora supposed to do short of removing 3rd party repositories from yum altogether ? fedora does not control the policies of other repos. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
Marcel Rieux wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Dale J. Chatham d...@chatham.org wrote: [...] While you are correct in what you say, at the end of the day, really doesn't matter. Gonna have a lot of people angry and blaming Fedora. Exactly. It's no use trying to find culprits: it must work. Feel free to persuade nvidia to open their code so it can be included in the kernel. As long as it is non-free and not include in the upstream kernel, there will likely always be a day or so window when updates from RPM Fusion (or any third-party repo) lag behind and cause a temporary failure. Otherwise, harping about it here doesn't do any good at all. I don't think many folks doing the work to make Fedora happen have a lot of concern for non-free drivers. If you use them, you have to accept that it's not supported by Fedora -- simple as that. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ So much havoc has optimism wrought in this world that pessimism appears not only a legitimate way of looking at things but a moral duty. -- Christopher Spranger, The Effort To Fall pgpXHosx8SAm0.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
F13: graphviz-php fails to load
PHP is failing to load the /usr/lib/php/modules/gv.so dynamic library due to an undefined symbol, zend_error_noreturn. From what I have read on the web, the missing zend_error_noreturn issue is usually due to changes in which compiler is used. The difference in how zend_end_noreturn is defined depends changes with GCC version 3 or greater then it was defined with GCC version 2. Note that how zend_error_noreturn is defined by different versions of GCC is controlled in Zend/Zend.h (according to what I have read, I do not have the php source code on my system and therefore cannot verify) The error can be reproduced if you run the command php -m or php --version. The command runs but there is an error message at the beginning that states that it was unable to load the gv.so library. A temporary fix is to uninstall the graphviz-php package. I first noticed this issue when looking at the Apache 2.2 error_log file. Are other people seeing this problem? Does anyone have a long term solution that will allow the use of the graphviz-php package? System: Fedora 13 graphviz-php-2.26.0.2.fc13.i686 php version 5.3.2 (cli) (built: Apr 30 2010 05:43:36) Output from php --version [prompt]$ php --version PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php/modules/gv.so' - /usr/lib/php/modules/gv.so: undefined symbol: zend_error_noreturn in Unknown on line 0 PHP 5.3.2 (cli) (built: Apr 30 2010 05:43:36) Copyright (c) 1997-2010 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies with Xdebug v2.0.5, Copyright (c) 2002-2008, by Derick Rethans -- Steven F. LeBrun Quote: /The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; and the realist adjusts the sails./ -- Anonymous -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/15/2010 04:43 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: = So, the oldest kmod-nvidia is removed with the oldest kernel and it will still be possible to boot with the present kernel. .. but not with the new kernel because the new kmod-nvidia is not installed. Which means newbies will be completely dumbfounded as to why their system suddenly doesn't boot after an update. Fedora doesn't really target newbies Google does, Ubuntu does, Mandriva does. Pretty much every distribution does. But Red Hat doesn't have to? Does Red Hat want to become the next Sun? Removing a kmod and a kernel doesn't make a system unbootable. It will just make the system unbootable to a GUI with the default kernel, which will get the newbie completely confused. Never had this problem with Windows. Understand the topo? If you prefer to, you can switchover to using akmod I've had my fair share of problems with akmod and decided to stick with kmod. Here's what a newbie would have to learn in order to use akmod: http://fedorasolved.org/Members/zcat/akmods from Doing the Work. Just past the first paragraph, he'll be back to Windows. Akmod is no excuse for kmod not working. If this excuse comes up every time a kmod is not in sysn with a new kernel, you might as well scrap kmod and tell new users that Fedora kernel updates are only possible after RTFM. Final. or set yum to preserve more kernels by default or never remove older kernels at all. Look up /etc/yum.conf for that. That's not the problem. 3 kernel are kept. So you still have 2 kernels that you can theoritically boot from. Will the newbie figure out that if the latest kernel doesn't work, the former might? Is this done on purpose in order to chase new users away? Is somebody working for Ubuntu here? This sort of rhetoric is unnecessary if you are looking for help. This rhetoric makes sense only if you think that going the Sun way is not the way to go for Red Hat. And if you want newbies to join the Red Hat's ecosystem, telling them to RTFM just won't work. Things are going to have to work without RTFM. But does Red Hat want to build an ecosystem to sustain newbies' support? Where is it headed? Soon Google will have its tablet out. applications will work in the browser. You tap this, you tap that and it works. Hardware and software are going to be devised as one. A chip with its own ID will make security stronger. (Of course, we all know what this means confidentiality-wise, but will the newbie care? I doubt it. ) Without security, the cloud would be just that, a cloud. They're going to sell music, movies, whatever. Ubuntu plays the same game: they're going to have their tablet too: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/06/13/ubuntu_for_tablets/ So, you might think that Fedora/Red Hat will survive staying on idle simple-user-wise, asking its users to RTFM like ArchLinux does and caring about Sun's former customers? I doubt it and I certainly believe that having the kernels and the kmods appearing in sync would be the lesser step in the good direction. Excuse me for being a non-programmer and stating the obvious like I've done so many times, Try to understand it can get frustrating and that, short of rewriting the whole diatribe, sometimes a knee jerk comes handy. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
how to set screen resolution for HP6710b on Fedora 13
Hi, I have installed Fedora 13 on HP 6710B. It looks all good, but the screen resolution is set to 1024X800. I can set it to it max ( 1650x1024?) hope some help to fix it? -- http://etvillage.blogspot.com/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mounting KVM image
Hi, OK, here's your problem: the offset option for losetup was not properly calculated. http://www.campworld.net/thewiki/pmwiki.php/Linux/DiskImagesHOWTO Yes, you're right, but your calculation were also wrong. It's 512, not 1024. The link you sent was a great help in getting it working properly. Here is the full command list, for the archives: [r...@fedora ~]# fdisk -ul systmp-kvm.raw You must set cylinders. You can do this from the extra functions menu. Disk systmp-kvm.raw: 0 MB, 0 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 0 cylinders, total 0 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System systmp-kvm.raw1 * 1 48194 24097 83 Linux systmp-kvm.raw2 481958387536441913585 85 Linux extended Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings: phys=(1023, 254, 63) logical=(5220, 254, 63) systmp-kvm.raw5 481968197969440965749+ 83 Linux systmp-kvm.raw68197969683875364 947834+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris [r...@fedora ~]# losetup -a [r...@fedora ~]# losetup /dev/loop0 systmp-kvm.raw [r...@fedora ~]# losetup -o $((1*512)) /dev/loop1 /dev/loop0 [r...@fedora ~]# losetup -o $((48196*512)) /dev/loop2 /dev/loop0 [r...@fedora ~]# mount /dev/loop2 /mnt/mytest [r...@fedora ~]# mount /dev/loop2 /mnt/mytest/boot The image is now mounted, and can be accessed from /mnt/mytest. Regards, Alex -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
iPod touch and F13?
Hi, I just tried plugging my iPod touch on F13, and to my surprise, it did appear on rhythmbox (as advertised on the release notes). However, even though it offers a create new playlist option on the iPod popup menu and allows me to drag songs to the iPod (it even says it is transferring the files), lists aren't created, and songs don't show on the iPod. Is there any additional configuration I need to do? Any additional app? Or is it still read-only support? Regards, Andre -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
