how to disable "unset HISTORY"

[Tiziana Manfroni]

Hi, I have some users that delete .history file (in tcsh shell), so I 
can't see their commands.

Can I disable the command "unset history"?
If it is not possible, what can I do?

Thanks in advance

Tiziana
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Samsung RF-511 wpa_supplicant crashes under kernel 3.6.1-1.fc17.x86_64

[Casimiro de Almeida Barreto]

wpa_supplicant crashes during boot.
Hardware: Samsung RF-511 Intel Core i5. Broadcom WiFi.
Bug deactivates even eth0
System becomes unusable.

Crash report follows:

Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.574065] CPU 3
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.574086] Pid: 1132, comm:
wpa_supplicant Tainted: P C O 3.6.1-1.fc17.x86_64 #1 SAMSUNG
ELECTRONICS CO., LTD. RF511/RF411/RF711/RF511/RF411/RF711
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.577537] RIP:
0010:[]  [] wdev_priv.part.8+0x4/0x6
[wl]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.579412] RSP:
0018:8801b5a07958  EFLAGS: 00010246
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.581244] RAX: 
RBX: 8801b21321e0 RCX: 8801b21321e0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.583111] RDX: 8801b21321e0
RSI: 8801b2def400 RDI: 8801b21321e0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.584975] RBP: 8801b5a07958
R08: 8801bfa76aa0 R09: 0028
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.586750] R10: 0003
R11: 8801b9002a00 R12: 8801b2132000
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.588638] R13: 8801b2def400
R14: 8801b2def400 R15: 
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.590541] FS: 
7f5a1f629800() GS:8801bfa6() knlGS:
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.592479] CS:  0010 DS:  ES:
 CR0: 80050033
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.594418] CR2: 00ca6948
CR3: 0001b5a12000 CR4: 000407e0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.596241] DR0: 
DR1:  DR2: 
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.598248] DR3: 
DR6: 0ff0 DR7: 0400
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.600257] Process wpa_supplicant
(pid: 1132, threadinfo 8801b5a06000, task 8801b5a08000)
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.602302] Stack:
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.604146]  8801b5a079a8
a0576544 a03e5c78 a03e5c78
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.606221]  0001
8801b5a07a28 8801b2132000 0001
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.608303]  8801b2def400
 8801b5a07a08 a03e6005
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.610399] Call Trace:
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.612516]  []
wl_cfg80211_scan+0x3f4/0x480 [wl]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.614662]  [] ?
nl80211_trigger_scan+0xf8/0x610 [cfg80211]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.616814]  [] ?
nl80211_trigger_scan+0xf8/0x610 [cfg80211]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.618940]  []
nl80211_trigger_scan+0x485/0x610 [cfg80211]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.621083]  []
genl_rcv_msg+0x250/0x2d0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.623041]  [] ?
genl_rcv+0x40/0x40
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.625153]  []
netlink_rcv_skb+0xa1/0xb0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.627230]  []
genl_rcv+0x25/0x40
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.629352]  []
netlink_unicast+0x19d/0x220
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.631467]  []
netlink_sendmsg+0x2d8/0x390
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.633558]  [] ?
__pollwait+0xf0/0xf0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.635643]  []
sock_sendmsg+0xbc/0xf0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.637732]  [] ?
__mem_cgroup_commit_charge+0x16b/0x3a0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.639823]  []
__sys_sendmsg+0x3ac/0x3c0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.641918]  [] ?
handle_mm_fault+0x259/0x320
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.644027]  [] ?
do_page_fault+0x1bc/0x4b0
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.646137]  [] ?
__audit_syscall_exit+0x3ec/0x450
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.648247]  []
sys_sendmsg+0x49/0x90
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.650359]  []
system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.652470] Code: e7 e8 5f 79 ff ff
48 89 df e8 27 5e d8 e0 31 f6 4c 89 ef e8 1d 53 e4 e0 5b 41 5c 41 5d 41
5e 5d c3 55 48 89 e5 0f 0b 55 48 89 e5 <0f> 0b 55 48 89 e5 66 66 66 66
90 0f 0b 55 48 89 e5 66 66 66 66
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.657317] RIP 
[] wdev_priv.part.8+0x4/0x6 [wl]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.659624]  RSP 
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost kernel: [   64.671161] ---[ end trace
82e7d97a9e55da4c ]---
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost systemd[1]: wpa_supplicant.service: main
process exited, code=killed, status=11
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost NetworkManager[837]:  wpa_supplicant stopped
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost NetworkManager[837]:  (eth0): supplicant
interface state: inactive -> down
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost NetworkManager[837]:  (eth0): device
state change: disconnected -> unavailable (reason 'supplicant-failed')
[30 20 10]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost NetworkManager[837]:  (eth0):
deactivating device (reason 'supplicant-failed') [10]
Oct 16 03:21:19 localhost systemd[1]: Unit wpa_suppl

Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware - SOLVED!!! (for me at least)

[Tim]

DJ Delorie:
>> Hey developers!  "hold shift key for 10 seconds" is common in many
>> video games (esp Minecraft).  You can't just change the user's
>> keyboard without warning!

Tim:
> It's also common for typing ALL CAPS words when you don't want to use
> the caps lock key.

Or batch selecting a group of icons on the desktop or file manager.
Or restricting X or Y movement in drawing programs...

I know I've triggered that function, accidentally, quite a few times, on
older Fedora releases.  I've been left with no way to use keyboard, and
no apparent reason why.  At times I've found a requester windows has
popped up asking if I wanted to activate "sticky keys," but the
requester had appeared underneath current windows, and without any
indication that it was there in the window list on the bottom panel of
the Gnome screen.  And until that requester was answered, the keyboard
was unusable.

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware - SOLVED!!! (for me at least)

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/15/2012 7:00 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

Paul Johnson  writes:

I am nearly certain this is accidental triggering of SLOW KEYS,

That was EXACTLY it for me.


Glad to hear your situation is solved ... I am certain I'll be able to 
figure mine out and post a "SOLVED" at some point (or at least a "I 
understand what it going on" ...)


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How can I prevent udevd from renaming eth0 to em1

[JD]

I googled this and came across 2 purported
solutions, neither of which worked.
1. Uninstall package biosdevname and reboot.

That did not prevent udevd from renaming eth0 to em1.

2. Add the line
biosdevname=0
to /boot/grub2/grub.cfg

That did not work either.

Any other way to get around this renaming?
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Re: why is a .txt file being run as a php script?

[Tim]

On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 20:18 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> apache/php is not interesed at all in execute-flags

Not quite true.  The execute flag can be used by Apache, as a way of
having it parse a file for SSI tags.  It can, also, look at the filename
suffix, but sometimes you need to keep the suffix the same as it always
used to be (so not to break links, as well as other reasons), and the
execute bit is a convenient alternative way to change the behaviour.  I
use this all the time.

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware - SOLVED!!! (for me at least)

[Tim]

On Mon, 2012-10-15 at 22:00 -0400, DJ Delorie wrote:
> Hey developers!  "hold shift key for 10 seconds" is common in many
> video games (esp Minecraft).  You can't just change the user's
> keyboard without warning!

It's also common for typing ALL CAPS words when you don't want to use
the caps lock key.

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware - SOLVED!!! (for me at least)

[Gordon Messmer]

On 10/15/2012 07:00 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:


If I find out which program turned that "feature" on, I'm taking it out
back and shooting it.


I wasn't paying attention earlier, so maybe this was already pointed 
out:  Open the Universal Access section of GNOME's settings.  Select the 
Typing tab and uncheck "turn on accessibility features from the keyboard"

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware - SOLVED!!! (for me at least)

[DJ Delorie]

Paul Johnson  writes:
> I am nearly certain this is accidental triggering of SLOW KEYS,

That was EXACTLY it for me.  Hey developers!  "hold shift key for 10
seconds" is common in many video games (esp Minecraft).  You can't just
change the user's keyboard without warning!

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=816764

BTW "xkbset -a" worked for me (yum install xkbset) and it's in my
.xsession now.

If I find out which program turned that "feature" on, I'm taking it out
back and shooting it.

Thanks!
DJ
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/15/2012 4:57 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:





Hi!
I am nearly certain this is accidental triggering of SLOW KEYS , a 
feature to assist the physically impaired. It gets triggered if you 
rest your finger on the shift key for 10 seconds. The kb is not dead, 
but slow. Rest finger in shift 10 seconds again, slow keys turns off. 
 Ways exist to reconfigure, there is a long bug report in the reshot 
bugzilla. I can't send link from this phone,  but you should search . 
You'll find my name );

Pj




Pj:

Thanks for the reply. I have tried all the tests suggested regarding 
slow keys and nothing has come up positive. Multiple times this has 
happened while typing at a speed better than hunt and peck but slower 
than full-on "proper touch typing". I'll check out your suggestion with 
a search, but I am more inclined to believe it is related to X as others 
have suggested.


Paul
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday, October 15, 2012, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

> On 10/15/2012 4:01 PM, JD wrote:
>
>>
>> One final, but remote chance - do you have  xorg.conf in /etc/X11 or any
>> of it's sub-dirs?
>> If yes, delete it or rename it, and reboot - it could be the cause by
>> loading wrong KB driver.
>>
>
> JD:
>
> Thanks for reply. I took a look and do not see any xorg.conf. That file
> was always a problem for me in the earlier days when it was necessary and I
> really am hoping I don't have to do one now!
>
> There is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-**system-setup-keyboard.conf (or
> something to that effect as I am writing from memory given the Fedora box
> is downstairs and I'm on my upstairs box)
>
> I compared the contents to the one on one of my F16 machines and they are
> the same


Hi!
I am nearly certain this is accidental triggering of SLOW KEYS , a feature
to assist the physically impaired. It gets triggered if you rest your
finger on the shift key for 10 seconds. The kb is not dead, but slow. Rest
finger in shift 10 seconds again, slow keys turns off.  Ways exist to
reconfigure, there is a long bug report in the reshot bugzilla. I can't
send link from this phone,  but you should search . You'll find my name );
Pj



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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/15/2012 4:01 PM, JD wrote:


One final, but remote chance - do you have  xorg.conf in /etc/X11 or 
any of it's sub-dirs?
If yes, delete it or rename it, and reboot - it could be the cause by 
loading wrong KB driver.


JD:

Thanks for reply. I took a look and do not see any xorg.conf. That file 
was always a problem for me in the earlier days when it was necessary 
and I really am hoping I don't have to do one now!


There is a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-system-setup-keyboard.conf (or 
something to that effect as I am writing from memory given the Fedora 
box is downstairs and I'm on my upstairs box)


I compared the contents to the one on one of my F16 machines and they 
are the same.


Paul
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/15/2012 4:00 PM, Bob Marcan wrote:

It was occured to me on F16 several times.
Killing X restores the keyboard.
Reading this thread tried with holding shift key 20+ seconds restores
too.
It shouldn't be tied to WM, running Fvwm.

BR, Bob


Bob:

Thanks for reply.

Should I interpret "Reading this thread tried with holding shift key 20+ 
seconds restores
too." means that in your case (F16), this worked? If so, given that my 
tests with that didn't work, I think I ought to assume its a different 
issue.


But the killing X is the same solution (though now that I had the one 
time it came back after @10-15 minutes I am wondering ...)


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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[JD]

On 10/15/2012 04:46 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:

On 10/15/2012 3:43 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

You could also try an F16 or F18 Live CD and see if the problem is
F17-specific...


Problem has not occurred on FC5, F9, F12, F14, or F16. It is only 
showing up now that I kicked one machine to F17. I will consider 
trying F18 Live once its released and I have eliminated the variables 
of "keyboard hardware" problem or "computer problem"


Thanks,
Paul
One final, but remote chance - do you have  xorg.conf in /etc/X11 or any 
of it's sub-dirs?
If yes, delete it or rename it, and reboot - it could be the cause by 
loading wrong KB driver.

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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[Bob Marcan]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:46:06 -0700
Paul Allen Newell  wrote:

> On 10/15/2012 3:43 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > You could also try an F16 or F18 Live CD and see if the problem is
> > F17-specific...
> 
> Problem has not occurred on FC5, F9, F12, F14, or F16. It is only showing up 
> now that I kicked one machine to F17. I will consider trying F18 Live once 
> its released and I have eliminated the variables of "keyboard hardware" 
> problem or "computer problem"
> 
> Thanks,
> Paul

It was occured to me on F16 several times.
Killing X restores the keyboard.
Reading this thread tried with holding shift key 20+ seconds restores
too.
It shouldn't be tied to WM, running Fvwm.

BR, Bob
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/15/2012 3:43 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

You could also try an F16 or F18 Live CD and see if the problem is
F17-specific...


Problem has not occurred on FC5, F9, F12, F14, or F16. It is only 
showing up now that I kicked one machine to F17. I will consider trying 
F18 Live once its released and I have eliminated the variables of 
"keyboard hardware" problem or "computer problem"


Thanks,
Paul
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[DJ Delorie]

You could also try an F16 or F18 Live CD and see if the problem is
F17-specific...
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[Paul Allen Newell]

On 10/15/2012 2:51 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:

I've had PS/2 keyboard problems in F17.  Two things to try:

1. Hold down a key and see if it starts auto-repeating.  In my case, the
first keypress is lost, but auto-repeat keypresses get through.

2. Ctrl-Alt-2 to a text terminal and see if the keyboard works outside
of X.  In my case, it did.

If your keyboard problems act like mine, you have the same problem, and
it's a bug in the X PS/2 keyboard driver.  Killing X resets it, and a
USB keyboard seems to work fine.

DJ:

Many thanks for this reply.

Sitting on a key does nothing per earlier tests.

Your comment about the X PS/2 keyboard driver would fit with the earlier 
advice I got. I've got a couple replies suggesting such.


Right now I am trying another keyboard (PS/2) to confirm that it is not 
a hardware issue. I was planning on bringing up another box under F17, 
but I've got to understand these replies regarding X server first.


Its taking me awhile to get back to this problem and I apologize to all 
if it looks like I've dropped the ball on my end. Plumbing in bathroom 
is taking priority ...


Paul
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Re: keyboard failure that doesn't seem to be hardware

[DJ Delorie]

I've had PS/2 keyboard problems in F17.  Two things to try:

1. Hold down a key and see if it starts auto-repeating.  In my case, the
   first keypress is lost, but auto-repeat keypresses get through.

2. Ctrl-Alt-2 to a text terminal and see if the keyboard works outside
   of X.  In my case, it did.

If your keyboard problems act like mine, you have the same problem, and
it's a bug in the X PS/2 keyboard driver.  Killing X resets it, and a
USB keyboard seems to work fine.
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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Reindl Harald]

Am 15.10.2012 22:42, schrieb Paul W. Frields:
> As I noted in a previous message, the owners do moderate specific
> subscribers from time to time.  Reindl Harald is on this list, and the
> reasons why were explained to him.  Due to various owner vacations and
> other unavailability, the delay incurred by moderation was
> unreasonable and excessive.  Again, sorry for that failure and we'll
> do better.
> 
> I'll also raise the topic with the owners about lifting his
> moderation, which will likely be contingent on keeping the list
> content productive and in keeping with the Fedora code of conduct

thank you for that!

i state that from time to time i am a little bit to aggressive
a part may be language barriers on different sides

but look at the history how often i provide config samples
of machines running over years in production, try to get
useful informations from people needing help and in what
timewindow i try to response often while working in my daily
job, interrupt it and respond to more or less unknown people

one thing the moderation makes impossible:
get a response out what minimum informations someone
would need to give useful help - if i reply within a minute
of a question it get useless by the delay of my posts



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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 01:29:20PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 10/15/2012 12:57 PM, JD wrote:
> >Well, you are not THE assigned moderator.
> >With your responses, you will be drawing quite a bit
> >of ire at yourself and perhaps at fedora as well, and drive
> >people away from fedora.
> >So, keep it up, and see how it will be for you.
> 
> I don't think you understand what's been going on here.  Reindl
> Harald's posts to this list have been delayed for over 24 hours for
> over a month now.  I know that the hold-up isn't at his end because
> emails he's sent to me directly get through right away.  For some
> reason, his posts *and only his posts* are being held up, and he
> thinks it's because somebody is holding them for moderation and
> doing a very slow job of it.  I don't know if he's right or not, but
> I'll admit that I don't have an alternative explanation to offer.

As I noted in a previous message, the owners do moderate specific
subscribers from time to time.  Reindl Harald is on this list, and the
reasons why were explained to him.  Due to various owner vacations and
other unavailability, the delay incurred by moderation was
unreasonable and excessive.  Again, sorry for that failure and we'll
do better.

I'll also raise the topic with the owners about lifting his
moderation, which will likely be contingent on keeping the list
content productive and in keeping with the Fedora code of conduct.

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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:25:02PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 15.10.2012 22:20, schrieb Paul W. Frields:
> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 08:24:27PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> >> On 15.10.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: 
> >>
> >>> FIRST:
> >>> if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT
> >>>
> >>> it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
> >>> while a thread has passed many steps
> >>
> >> As far as I know, this list isn't moderated..
> > 
> > In general it's not.  But from time to time the list owners have
> > moderated specific subscribers.  In this particular case, several
> > moderators were unavailable and the moderation queue got backed up but
> > things should be flowing again now
> 
> thank you for your feedback
> 
> for some weeks i was really furstrated because on one hand
> i hate it if peaople use "reply all" on lists and on the
> other hand i was forced to do exactly this to get useful r
> replies in a acceptable timely manner to the RCPT
> 
> if a thread is going on and your replies are coming
> partly more than a week later followed by other replies
> while the thread went forward it makes it useless to
> post at all
> 
> on the users-list you even get no system response and
> posting in a blacklist - others lists are responsing
> taht your message awaits moderation

On behalf of the list owners, sorry for the delay in addressing the
queue.  It does make productive list discussion harder when that
doesn't happen.  We try to do it in a timely way, but obviously didn't
in this case.

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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/15/2012 12:57 PM, JD wrote:

Well, you are not THE assigned moderator.
With your responses, you will be drawing quite a bit
of ire at yourself and perhaps at fedora as well, and drive
people away from fedora.
So, keep it up, and see how it will be for you.


I don't think you understand what's been going on here.  Reindl Harald's 
posts to this list have been delayed for over 24 hours for over a month 
now.  I know that the hold-up isn't at his end because emails he's sent 
to me directly get through right away.  For some reason, his posts *and 
only his posts* are being held up, and he thinks it's because somebody 
is holding them for moderation and doing a very slow job of it.  I don't 
know if he's right or not, but I'll admit that I don't have an 
alternative explanation to offer.

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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Reindl Harald]

Am 15.10.2012 22:20, schrieb Paul W. Frields:
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 08:24:27PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
>> On 15.10.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: 
>>
>>> FIRST:
>>> if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT
>>>
>>> it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
>>> while a thread has passed many steps
>>
>> As far as I know, this list isn't moderated..
> 
> In general it's not.  But from time to time the list owners have
> moderated specific subscribers.  In this particular case, several
> moderators were unavailable and the moderation queue got backed up but
> things should be flowing again now

thank you for your feedback

for some weeks i was really furstrated because on one hand
i hate it if peaople use "reply all" on lists and on the
other hand i was forced to do exactly this to get useful r
replies in a acceptable timely manner to the RCPT

if a thread is going on and your replies are coming
partly more than a week later followed by other replies
while the thread went forward it makes it useless to
post at all

on the users-list you even get no system response and
posting in a blacklist - others lists are responsing
taht your message awaits moderation





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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 01:57:59PM -0600, JD wrote:
> 
> On 10/15/2012 01:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >Am 15.10.2012 21:20, schrieb JD:
> >>On 10/15/2012 11:18 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >>>FIRST:
> >>>if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT
> >>>
> >>>it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
> >>>while a thread has passed many steps
> >>What? You make your own rules for the usage of this list as you go?
> >>Responses such as yours are driving people away from fedora.
> >surely i make my rules
> >if i decide to moderate i do it
> >if i am not able to moderate i do not
> >the moderators are provne not able to do
> 
> Well, you are not THE assigned moderator.
> With your responses, you will be drawing quite a bit
> of ire at yourself and perhaps at fedora as well, and drive
> people away from fedora.
> So, keep it up, and see how it will be for you.

OK, this branch of the thread has outrun its useful lifetime.  Can we
please return to technical assistance for users?  Thanks.

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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Paul W. Frields]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 08:24:27PM +0200, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 15.10.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: 
> 
> > FIRST:
> > if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT
> > 
> > it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
> > while a thread has passed many steps
> 
> As far as I know, this list isn't moderated..

In general it's not.  But from time to time the list owners have
moderated specific subscribers.  In this particular case, several
moderators were unavailable and the moderation queue got backed up but
things should be flowing again now.

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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Jack Craig]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM, JD  wrote:

>
> On 10/15/2012 01:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>>
>> Am 15.10.2012 21:20, schrieb JD:
>>
>>> On 10/15/2012 11:18 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>>
 FIRST:
 if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT

 it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
 while a thread has passed many steps

>>> What? You make your own rules for the usage of this list as you go?
>>> Responses such as yours are driving people away from fedora.
>>>
>> surely i make my rules
>> if i decide to moderate i do it
>> if i am not able to moderate i do not
>> the moderators are provne not able to do
>>
>
> Well, you are not THE assigned moderator.
> With your responses, you will be drawing quite a bit
> of ire at yourself and perhaps at fedora as well, and drive
> people away from fedora.
> So, keep it up, and see how it will be for you.
>

at a minimum, odd...


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[389-users] ldap-agent

[Michael Mercier]

Hello,

I am trying to configure ldap-agent with no luck.  I have followed the 
instructions at:http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Howto:SNMPMonitoring

NOTE: This system is running 389 under FreeIPA on CentOS 6.3

[root@ipaserver ~]# rpm -qa|grep net-snmp
net-snmp-5.5-41.el6_3.1.x86_64
net-snmp-libs-5.5-41.el6_3.1.x86_64
[root@ipaserver ~]# rpm -qa|grep 389
389-ds-base-libs-1.2.10.2-20.el6_3.x86_64
389-ds-base-1.2.10.2-20.el6_3.x86_64
[root@ipaserver ~]# more /etc/dirsrv/config/ldap-agent.conf 
# The agentx-master setting defines how to communicate
# with the SNMP master agent using the AgentX protocol.
# The default is to use a UNIX domain socket.  If your
# master agent is listening on a tcp port for AgentX
# subagents, use a line like the following:
#
# agentx-master localhost:705
agentx-master /var/agentx/master

# The agent-logdir settings defines where the subagent
# will write it's logfile.
agent-logdir /var/log/dirsrv

# The server setting specifies a Directory Server
# instance that you want to monitor. You must use one
# server setting for each Directory Server instance. The
# subagent requires at least one server setting to be
# specified. The server setting
# should be set to the name of the Directory Server
# instance you would like to monitor. For example:
# 
# server slapd-phonebook
# 
# To monitor multiple Directory Server instances,  add
# an additional server parameter for each instance:
# 
server slapd-MPLS-LOCAL
server slapd-PKI-IPA
# server slapd-phonebook
# server slapd-example
# server slapd-directory

[root@ipaserver ~]# ldap-agent /etc/dirsrv/config/ldap-agent.conf 
/usr/sbin/ldap-agent: line 56: 17263 Segmentation fault  ${dir}/${COMMAND} 
"$@"

NOTE: -D provides the same output

snmpd.conf has been minimally modified...
[root@ipaserver snmp]# diff snmpd.conf snmpd.conf.orig 
55,57c55,56
< #viewsystemviewincluded   .1.3.6.1.2.1.1
< #viewsystemviewincluded   .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.1.1
< view  systemview  included .1
---
> viewsystemviewincluded   .1.3.6.1.2.1.1
> viewsystemviewincluded   .1.3.6.1.2.1.25.1.1
97,98d95
< ## enable agentx for 389
< master agentx

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[JD]

On 10/15/2012 01:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 15.10.2012 21:20, schrieb JD:

On 10/15/2012 11:18 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

FIRST:
if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT

it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
while a thread has passed many steps

What? You make your own rules for the usage of this list as you go?
Responses such as yours are driving people away from fedora.

surely i make my rules
if i decide to moderate i do it
if i am not able to moderate i do not
the moderators are provne not able to do


Well, you are not THE assigned moderator.
With your responses, you will be drawing quite a bit
of ire at yourself and perhaps at fedora as well, and drive
people away from fedora.
So, keep it up, and see how it will be for you.


Am 15.10.2012 19:02, schrieb JD:

On my system,  log in var log messages shows
/var/log/messages-20120930:Sep 26 08:43:22 localhost kernel: [ 5.935732] eth0: 
SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd800,
IRQ 19, 00:03:0d:15:2b:9e
/var/log/messages-20121007:Oct  4 18:18:39 localhost 
system-config-network[27851]: rm
//etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/ifcfg-eth0

But in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
I have
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:03:0d:13:0b:0e", 
ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

So, ifconfig returns no info about eth0, or any eth# device

ifconfig -a
the "-a" is the key to see ALL interfaces


Still, it does not show eth0!

if you pist do a mailing.list you should post
UNCUTTED outputs as we all do not like to guess





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Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Bill Shirley]

On 10/15/2012 1:02 PM, JD wrote:


On 10/13/2012 05:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 13.10.2012 13:46, schrieb Frank Murphy:

How can I completly remove all remnants of an old eth1
Everytime I go to add a new nic it wants to call it eth1

I will be replacing the old nic with ano identical chipped card,
which it wants to call eth1

I would prefer eth0

F17 using system-config-network
I have through s-c-n removed all hardware nic,
also removeed ~/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*
Keeps coming back

Where else do I look

/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules this is the only
place which matters for manual NIC-naming and ifcfg_eth*
scripts should NOT contain MAC-addresses to leave the
udev-rule the only point to assign

you need to reboot or restat udev

cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
# PCI device 0x8086:0x1502 (e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="3c:d9:2c:65:95:9f", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",

ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x8086:0x10d3 (e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="00:1b:21:a6:91:e4", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",

ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"

# PCI device 0x168c:0x0024 (ath9k)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="fc:75:12:5e:cf:e5", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",

ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0"




On my system,  log in var log messages shows
/var/log/messages-20120930:Sep 26 08:43:22 localhost kernel: [ 
5.935732] eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd800, IRQ 19, 
00:03:0d:15:2b:9e
/var/log/messages-20121007:Oct  4 18:18:39 localhost 
system-config-network[27851]: rm 
//etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/ifcfg-eth0


But in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
I have
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="00:03:0d:13:0b:0e", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", 
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"


So, ifconfig returns no info about eth0, or any eth# device.




In your log file, the MAC address is 00:03:0d:15:2b:9e.
The udev rule looks for MAC address 00:03:0d:13:0b:0e.
No match, no action.

Bill

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Re: LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Heinz Diehl]

On 15.10.2012, Reindl Harald wrote: 

> FIRST:
> if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT
> 
> it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
> while a thread has passed many steps

As far as I know, this list isn't moderated..

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LIST-MODERATION ... Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Reindl Harald]

FIRST:
if list-owners decide to moderate DO IT

it makes NO SENSE to release posts after many days
while a thread has passed many steps

Am 15.10.2012 19:02, schrieb JD:
> On my system,  log in var log messages shows
> /var/log/messages-20120930:Sep 26 08:43:22 localhost kernel: [ 5.935732] 
> eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd800,
> IRQ 19, 00:03:0d:15:2b:9e
> /var/log/messages-20121007:Oct  4 18:18:39 localhost 
> system-config-network[27851]: rm
> //etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/ifcfg-eth0
> 
> But in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
> I have
> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
> ATTR{address}=="00:03:0d:13:0b:0e", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> 
> So, ifconfig returns no info about eth0, or any eth# device

ifconfig -a
the "-a" is the key to see ALL interfaces



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Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[JD]

On 10/13/2012 05:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 13.10.2012 13:46, schrieb Frank Murphy:

How can I completly remove all remnants of an old eth1
Everytime I go to add a new nic it wants to call it eth1

I will be replacing the old nic with ano identical chipped card,
which it wants to call eth1

I would prefer eth0

F17 using system-config-network
I have through s-c-n removed all hardware nic,
also removeed ~/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*
Keeps coming back

Where else do I look

/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules this is the only
place which matters for manual NIC-naming and ifcfg_eth*
scripts should NOT contain MAC-addresses to leave the
udev-rule the only point to assign

you need to reboot or restat udev

cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
# PCI device 0x8086:0x1502 (e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="3c:d9:2c:65:95:9f", 
ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x8086:0x10d3 (e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:1b:21:a6:91:e4", 
ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"

# PCI device 0x168c:0x0024 (ath9k)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="fc:75:12:5e:cf:e5", 
ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0"




On my system,  log in var log messages shows
/var/log/messages-20120930:Sep 26 08:43:22 localhost kernel: [ 5.935732] 
eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd800, IRQ 19, 00:03:0d:15:2b:9e
/var/log/messages-20121007:Oct  4 18:18:39 localhost 
system-config-network[27851]: rm 
//etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/default/ifcfg-eth0


But in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
I have
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="00:03:0d:13:0b:0e", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", 
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"


So, ifconfig returns no info about eth0, or any eth# device.



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Re: Contact list for KDE user?

[jarmo]

Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:02:22 +0100
Timothy Murphy  kirjoitti:

> As far as I can see, KAddressBook/Kontact has become
> completely non-functional,
> with entered contacts being entirely invisible
> except when exported as a CSV list.
> 
> In my experience, KAddressBook has always been pretty bad,
> but it has now become, as I said, completely useless.
> (I asked about this on the KDE mailing list,
> but the only response I got was from someone else
> who said he had the same experience.)
> 
> I'm beginning to think that maybe Google Contacts
> is the only practical solution?

Same here, lost lots of adresses, in some update, can't find them
anymore. Same as lots of saved messages. Whole KDEPIM mystery is
unusable for me.
I started to use Claws-Mail. There I can store mails and adresses into
readable format and read them with ordinary editor. 

And it's this stupid Akonadi/Nepomut nonsense... G!


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Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Reindl Harald]

Am 13.10.2012 14:56, schrieb Frank Murphy:
> On 13/10/12 12:53, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>>
>> cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
>> # PCI device 0x8086:0x1502 (e1000e)
>> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
>> ATTR{address}=="3c:d9:2c:65:95:9f", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
>> ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
> 
> Where do I find some of this info to put in the udev rule.
> It's not being auto-generated.

"ifconfig --a" will show you every interface with the MAC address
only the MAC and NAME has to be changed in teh udev-rule



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Re: Purge old eth1, add new nic as eth0

[Reindl Harald]

Am 13.10.2012 13:46, schrieb Frank Murphy:
> How can I completly remove all remnants of an old eth1
> Everytime I go to add a new nic it wants to call it eth1
> 
> I will be replacing the old nic with ano identical chipped card,
> which it wants to call eth1
> 
> I would prefer eth0
> 
> F17 using system-config-network
> I have through s-c-n removed all hardware nic,
> also removeed ~/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth*
> Keeps coming back
> 
> Where else do I look

/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules this is the only
place which matters for manual NIC-naming and ifcfg_eth*
scripts should NOT contain MAC-addresses to leave the
udev-rule the only point to assign

you need to reboot or restat udev

cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
# PCI device 0x8086:0x1502 (e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="3c:d9:2c:65:95:9f", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"

# PCI device 0x8086:0x10d3 (e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="00:1b:21:a6:91:e4", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth1"

# PCI device 0x168c:0x0024 (ath9k)
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="fc:75:12:5e:cf:e5", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0",
ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="wlan*", NAME="wlan0"



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Re: why is a .txt file being run as a php script?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 08.10.2012 20:12, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 10/08/2012 11:08 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> Anyone have any clue what is causing this to happen?
>> I can't imagine this is something that would be desirable
>> behavior :-).
> 
> What are the permissions on the file?

apache/php is not interesed at all in execute-flags

this is widely known and caused by the "MultiViews" option
and can also lead to execute PHP if images contain code
and saved with .php.gif

you can simply add php-code at the end of a image without
break image display - this is a know exploit vector for
uploaded images

Options -MultiViews



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Re: why is a .txt file being run as a php script?

[Reindl Harald]

Am 08.10.2012 20:08, schrieb Tom Horsley:
> On my local system I have apache running so I can test web pages
> before I upload them to my ISP.
> 
> I have a sample .php script which I explicitly named with
> a .php.txt suffix so it would be treated as a plain text
> file, not a php script.
> 
> Yet apache is clearly running the php script rather than just
> uploading the plain text copy of the script when I click
> on the link to the .php.txt file

this is widely known and caused by the "MultiViews" option
and can also lead to execute PHP if images conatin code
and saved with .php.gif

Options -MultiViews



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Re: Plans for anaconda LVM/RAID support

[Bryn M. Reeves]

On 10/15/2012 03:46 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Ian Pilcher wrote:
>> I'm sure that this information is somewhere on the Fedora Wiki,
>> but my search-fu apparently isn't up to the task of finding it.
>> 
>> What are the plans for LVM and/or software RAID support?
>> 
>> Currently (F18 Beta TC2), it seems to be impossible for those of
>> us who have fully allocated our storage to either (or both) of
>> these technologies to install Fedora 18 at all.
>> 
> How would that work? Not the install, but the boot? Unless your
> BIOS knows how to handle LVM/RAID or you think you can shoehorn
> them into a boot sector, doesn't the boot need to be a normal
> partition?

Mirroring is fairly straightforward since you just need a bootloader
on each bootable disk. Some BIOSes are less helpful than others when
it comes to booting with a failed drive but with the right system it's
possible to have a reliable set up (most of my server boxes use MD
mirrors for boot).

> Maybe I see too many dumb BIOS problems working with little ATOM
> and similar appliances, but getting them to boot anything seems an
> issue, and even with non-PC partitioning layouts I would expect to
> need one simple boot partition the BIOS could understand.

The BIOS only really needs to understand where to load a first stage
bootloader from - the traditional MBR protocol from the 80s (with a
few extras bolted on here and there). Different BIOSes are better or
worse in this area and some really are crap but that doesn't seem like
a reason to not support those layouts for systems where they do work.

Regards,
Bryn.

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Contact list for KDE user?

[Timothy Murphy]

As far as I can see, KAddressBook/Kontact has become
completely non-functional,
with entered contacts being entirely invisible
except when exported as a CSV list.

In my experience, KAddressBook has always been pretty bad,
but it has now become, as I said, completely useless.
(I asked about this on the KDE mailing list,
but the only response I got was from someone else
who said he had the same experience.)

I'm beginning to think that maybe Google Contacts
is the only practical solution?


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Re: Plans for anaconda LVM/RAID support

[Bill Davidsen]

Ian Pilcher wrote:

I'm sure that this information is somewhere on the Fedora Wiki, but my
search-fu apparently isn't up to the task of finding it.

What are the plans for LVM and/or software RAID support?

Currently (F18 Beta TC2), it seems to be impossible for those of us who
have fully allocated our storage to either (or both) of these
technologies to install Fedora 18 at all.

How would that work? Not the install, but the boot? Unless your BIOS knows how 
to handle LVM/RAID or you think you can shoehorn them into a boot sector, 
doesn't the boot need to be a normal partition?


Maybe I see too many dumb BIOS problems working with little ATOM and similar 
appliances, but getting them to boot anything seems an issue, and even with 
non-PC partitioning layouts I would expect to need one simple boot partition the 
BIOS could understand.


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Re: iptables fubared?

[Bill Davidsen]

Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2012-10-04 at 12:45 -0700, Mark Space wrote:

I'm not sure where I could have fubared this. I did try to redirect
the ports from 80 to 8080, perhaps that was done incorrectly?


You've tested that you can browse to localhost on port 80, but have you
also tested that web server is listening to port 8080, by browsing to
that port on the same machine (or over ssh)?

Why are you redirecting, though?  If there's a block on port 80, then
your attempt to get in on port 80 and redirect to port 8080 isn't going
work.  Which way are you *trying* to redirect?

Last time I played with redirection (long ago), I did it to the input
and/or NAT rules, not the output rules.  Redirecting incoming
connections on a port that would be allowed, to the port that was
listening.


   ## Redirect webserver visitors past my ISP's firewalling (blocking port 80):
   ## incoming port 8000 connections sent to the port 80 listening server

   iptables --table nat --append PREROUTING --protocol tcp --dport 8000 --jump 
REDIRECT --to-port 80


But, it can be easier to just have the server listen to the port that's
not blocked, and not do any redirection.

OP found that out, good to listen to the source IP rather than just loopback. I 
did get familiar with REDIRECT, though, which I'd not used. All the things I 
have ever done were with DNAT, although I dimly remember that when learning 
iptables (when it first came into Linux) I saw it but needed DNAT instead.


The good old days of writing perl to convert ipchains to iptables scripts, like 
many other things they are more fun to remember than repeat.



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Re: iptables fubared?

[Bill Davidsen]

jdow wrote:

On 2012/10/07 10:46, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 10/07/2012 01:27 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 10/07/2012 10:04 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

.I HATE help-desk.


I spent over seven years doing tech support for an ISP.  I stuck with it
because I found out that I enjoyed the problem solving (and was better at it
than at least 90% of my cow-orkers.) and liked the idea that at least 15 to 20
people's days were better because they spoke to me.  Lots of job satisfaction
if you look at it the right way.  To each their own.

I agree..this goes along with him not liking administration. I would feel
honoured to be the guy who's in the backgroundnot really "known"but
reliable as heck.getting things done behind the scenes.and while being
the "voice" of the tech support might be a good fit for some.I'd rather be
the "hands in the dark" that do thing without the users knowledge. I prefer
working in an admin capacity, only because there's an impetus to be daring, and
to be able to test things before they go into production.I don't
know.maybe it's just that because of the "abuse" I've suffered at the hands
of those relentless users who feel that because you're on the other end of the
phone.that they can treat you like trash and not have to pay for it..I
mean I realize that sometimes it's just frustration brought on because of them
not being able to "do" something.but I mean really..why yell and scream
at the one person who's trying everything in their power to make your life
easier?...it almost doesn't make sense to me..if you were about to go under
the knife with a surgeonwould you threaten him with statements about his job
is on the line?...and you'll take this to his superior if he screws up?...I
seriously doubt it! And I'm not ignorant of the fact that there's still some
form of interaction between network / system admins and other people.but
generally speakinga VP of accounting will not approach the net admin
personthe;ll more likely go looking for the person whom they ALWAYS approach
with their technical problemswhich is more likely to be a Tech Support Team
Lead.the "face" of the IT dept..ok I think I've ranted on long enough,
I'm sure you all get the picture...LoL!


Eddie and Joe, there is nothing more frustrating than being in a critical
hurry while a first string tech support guy rigidly follows the "is it
plugged in" script. Once I can break them free of the script things go well,
often with a quick escalation if the problem is during the day. Some are
more stubborn than others. The worst are the  in India with names
like Fred, George, Ralph, Judy, and so forth. With them the exchange usually
already contained the information they ask for if they'd been willing to
listen. "Yes, I already power cycled the DSL MODEM three times with no
changes." That's why Earthlink now supplies only my email address (because
it is just about as old as Earthlink itself and too many people know it)
rather than the DSL connection as well. Um, Earthlink email also is FAR
better for my purposes than GMail. I send zip files to customers. It is
annoying to have to rename the files from foo.zip to foo.zippitydodah or
something. Same file, different suffix, Giggle lets it through. Bleah!
(And at least the odd accents at Earthlink at its worst were better than
trying to get help from Gaggle. I try HARD not to pester their head guy
for their facilities. He's too nice for that. I also realize he is outside
the stupidity loop.)

Back when SCO was a software company, 1990 or so, several of us dealt with them 
on a regular basis for admin stuff. After many instances of just the delay you 
mention, we suddenly found that we got to 2nd level right away. Checking with 
some folks at SCO forum (over drinks) we were told the support database had a 
new "na" bit in the customer description, and we got to level 2 right away. 
After one more round of drinks the SCO person admitted it stood for "not an 
asshole," and was initially on only four accounts. Good people in those days, 
sense of humor and all.




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Re: upowerd?

[Tom Horsley]

> Telling you that you have something configured incorrectly it not generally 
> regarded as a bug. I'm fairly sure it means you have a UPS which generates a 
> power status report in an unknown format.
> 
> The choices seem to be (a) use a known brand, (b) figure out how to recognize 
> and parse the status string for the UPS you have (and share info back to the 
> maintainer), (c) disconnect the UPS from the computer, or (d) live with the 
> reminder that you should do a or b.

That might make sense, but it is a bluetooth keyboard, not a UPS:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847874

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Re: OpenOffice.org alongside LibreOffice

[Bill Davidsen]

Marko Vojinovic wrote:

 On 03/10/12 19:54, Pasha R wrote:

 Is it possible to install OOo alongside LO on F17?


As a matter of curiosity, why would anyone want to have both OO and LO
installed simultaneously? Aren't they mostly feature-equivalent and/or
compatible?

You have hit on the reason, the magic word is "mostly," and unfortunately 
compatibility is not quite perfect. I have been bitten by that in the last week, 
so it's not subtle in some cases.



Unless you are into research about feature-for-feature comparison between LO
and OO, what's the point of having them both on the same machine?


Bug avoidance, particularly in the import/export from other office software.
I'd love to see the code bases merge, but I don't expect to, OO seems to have 
gone to a good home, don't expect it to go away soon.



Best, :-)
Marko





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Re: OpenOffice.org alongside LibreOffice

[Bill Davidsen]

Javier Perez wrote:

try installing it on a virtual machine with virtualbox

Sort of a brute force way to do it, but in general I agree that this is the best 
way to have a separate environment. I don't know how well virtualbox supports 
QCOW instances, but it does allow very low overhead VMs to be generated in large 
numbers with small overhead.



On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Marko Vojinovic mailto:vvma...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 > On 03/10/12 19:54, Pasha R wrote:
 > > Is it possible to install OOo alongside LO on F17?

As a matter of curiosity, why would anyone want to have both OO and LO
installed simultaneously? Aren't they mostly feature-equivalent and/or
compatible?

Unless you are into research about feature-for-feature comparison between LO
and OO, what's the point of having them both on the same machine?

Best, :-)
Marko


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Re: upowerd?

[Bill Davidsen]

Tom Horsley wrote:

Every 30 seconds I see this in my /var/log/messages:

Oct  6 16:07:00 zooty upowerd[1903]: (upowerd:1903): GLib-CRITICAL **: 
g_ascii_strcasecmp: assertion `s1 != NULL' failed
Oct  6 16:07:00 zooty upowerd[1903]: (upowerd:1903): UPower-Linux-WARNING **: 
unknown status string:

I found a similar bug mentioned on an ubuntu list that claimed it was fixed
in 0.9.16, and fedora has 0.9.17, so I guess this is a new instance or 
something?



Telling you that you have something configured incorrectly it not generally 
regarded as a bug. I'm fairly sure it means you have a UPS which generates a 
power status report in an unknown format.


The choices seem to be (a) use a known brand, (b) figure out how to recognize 
and parse the status string for the UPS you have (and share info back to the 
maintainer), (c) disconnect the UPS from the computer, or (d) live with the 
reminder that you should do a or b.


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Re: Canon camera/shotwell

[Bill Davidsen]

Patrick Dupre wrote:

Hello,

I have a Canon camera:
Bus 006 Device 004: ID 04a9:3055 Canon, Inc. PowerShot G2

When I try to import the picture by using shotwell I get an error message:

Unable to fetch previews from the camera:
I/O problem (-7)


But When I do the same from root, this glitch disappears.

How can I fix it?


Run as root.

Or fix the permissions so you can read and write the device as yourself. In many 
cases this is done by finding the device and checking that group has r/w on it, 
then adding yourself to the appropriate group. Allowing just anyone to access 
the device "because I'm to only user" is a poor habit to cultivate.



Thank.




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Re: F17: How to overcome NetworkManagers /etc/resolv.conf ?

[Bill Davidsen]

Frank Elsner wrote:


Hi ALL,
 on my just installed Fedora 17 I've a problem with /etc/resolv.conf:

Beginning of  /etc/resolv.conf reads:

   # Generated by NetworkManager
   domain domain_not_set.invalid
   search domain_not_set.invalid

The following lines for nameserver definitions are fine.

How can I ensure to have *correct* domains (I know which ones I need)
in the domain and search statement?

On my old F14 I use a "supersede" statement in /etc/dhclient.conf but this isn't
used anymore on F17 which uses /var/run/nm-dhclient-wlan0.conf (created by
 
NetworkManager).

Any pointer to solve this problem welcome.

After thinking about this a little, it may reflect a problem with your DHCP 
server not setting things properly. Since you're using wlan0 I assume this is a 
portable machine, take it to someplace with free public Wifi and see if it does 
the same thing. Usual rules about security & public Wifi apply, just opening a 
connection shouldn't be an issue.


Kind regards, Frank Elsner




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artifacts in F-16

[antonio.montagn...@alice.it]

>Messaggio originale
>Da: antonio.montagn...@gmail.com
>Data: 15-ott-
2012 14.49
>A: "Community support for Fedora users"
>Ogg: Re: F-16: is Firefox 
o.k.??
>
>2012/10/15 Antonio M 
>
>> I note that with latest release in F-16 
after some time of work some
>> artifacts are seen, especially in image 
managing (but also on command line)
>> Is this correct?? am I the only one to 
experience this behaviour???
>>
>> Tnx
>>
>> --
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>> Skype 
: amontag52
>>
>> Linux Fedora 17 Beefy Miracle
>>
>>
>and it is not a problem 
only of Firefox, but of many problems..
>Using an intel graphic adapter with 
Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
>Integrated Graphics Controller 
(secondary) (rev 03)
>I guess something connected to graphic driver
>
>-- 


problems should be read as programs, i.e. it seems that a problem of graphic 
driver (that is intel in my case) that it was not updated recently.

I do not 
know where the problem is: shal I file a bug???

I changed the subject as I 
realized that Firefox is not to be blamed.


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Re: F-16: is Firefox o.k.??

[Antonio M]

2012/10/15 Antonio M 

> I note that with latest release in F-16 after some time of work some
> artifacts are seen, especially in image managing (but also on command line)
> Is this correct?? am I the only one to experience this behaviour???
>
> Tnx
>
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>
> Linux Fedora 17 Beefy Miracle
>
>
and it is not a problem only of Firefox, but of many problems..
Using an intel graphic adapter with Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
Integrated Graphics Controller (secondary) (rev 03)
I guess something connected to graphic driver

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Linux Fedora 17 Beefy Miracle
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F-16: is Firefox o.k.??

[Antonio M]

I note that with latest release in F-16 after some time of work some
artifacts are seen, especially in image managing (but also on command line)
Is this correct?? am I the only one to experience this behaviour???

Tnx

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Re: lm_sensors-3.3.2-5.fc17.src.rpm :: error rebuilding on centos

[Patrick Lists]

On 10/12/2012 07:59 PM, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:

Hi! I try to rebuild the lm_sensors on centos 5.x but i have a quite
strange error after the command "rpmbuild -ba lm_sensors.spec" in
~/rpmbuild/SPECS :

Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..21: umask 022
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..22: cd /export/home/rpmbuild/rpmbuild/BUILD
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..24: cd lm_sensors-3.3.2
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..25: LANG=C
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..26: export LANG
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..27: unset DISPLAY
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..29: make PREFIX=/usr LIBDIR=/usr/lib64
MANDIR=/usr/share/man PROG_EXTRA=sensord DESTDIR= user_install
mkdir -p /usr/lib64 /usr/include/sensors /usr/share/man/man3
/usr/share/man/man5
install -m 644 lib/libsensors.a /usr/lib64
install: cannot remove `/usr/lib64/libsensors.a': Permission denied
make: *** [install-lib] Error 1
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6 (%install)

any idea why it tries to install at the rpm making step?


Usually an RPM spec file has an install section. But it also uses 
DESTDIR which points to some harmless install directory to make sure 
that the rpm build process does not mess with the files on your filesystem.


What is wrong in the build above is the empty DESTDIR. Do you see 
DESTDIR= ? That should have the value of RPM_BUILD_ROOT. So you need to 
check the spec file for this (and perhaps other) issues. It is likely 
that a spec file from an F17 SRPM is in several ways not compatible with 
CentOS 5. For starters, F17 no longer uses initscripts but has moved to 
systemd.


Your best bet is probably to look at the spec file of the lm_sensors 
SRPM from CentOS 5 and integrate the initscripts and any other CentOS 5 
specific things into the spec file of the lm_sensors F17 SRPM.


Regards,
Patrick

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Re: OT slightly (Learn Ruby on Rails0

[Frank Murphy]

On 14/10/12 03:38, Roger wrote:

Using fully updated ruby and Rails on Fedora 16. Trying to learn rails.
I have
Is there a Rails forum or group in Melbourne or Australia to whom I can
ask questions.
I had a look at github but it is very confuzzling, looks like it's for
highly skilled devs. I couldn't find anywhere to ask learner's questions.
thank you in advance
Roger


https://p2pu.org/en/groups/learn-ruby-on-rails/

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Re: OT slightly

[Lailah]

El dom, 14-10-2012 a las 13:38 +1100, Roger escribió:

> Using fully updated ruby and Rails on Fedora 16. Trying to learn rails. 
> I have
> Is there a Rails forum or group in Melbourne or Australia to whom I can 
> ask questions.
> I had a look at github but it is very confuzzling, looks like it's for 
> highly skilled devs. I couldn't find anywhere to ask learner's questions.
> thank you in advance
> Roger



Did you search on Google or DuckDuck Go?  I think it has to be some
group.


Kindly regards,
Lailah




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Re: lm_sensors-3.3.2-5.fc17.src.rpm :: error rebuilding on centos

[Adrian Sevcenco]

On 10/12/2012 09:36 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 10/12/2012 10:59 AM, Adrian Sevcenco issued this missive:

Hi! I try to rebuild the lm_sensors on centos 5.x but i have a quite
strange error after the command "rpmbuild -ba lm_sensors.spec" in
~/rpmbuild/SPECS :

Executing(%install): /bin/sh -e /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..21: umask 022
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..22: cd /export/home/rpmbuild/rpmbuild/BUILD
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..24: cd lm_sensors-3.3.2
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..25: LANG=C
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..26: export LANG
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..27: unset DISPLAY
/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6..29: make PREFIX=/usr LIBDIR=/usr/lib64
MANDIR=/usr/share/man PROG_EXTRA=sensord DESTDIR= user_install
mkdir -p /usr/lib64 /usr/include/sensors /usr/share/man/man3
/usr/share/man/man5
install -m 644 lib/libsensors.a /usr/lib64
install: cannot remove `/usr/lib64/libsensors.a': Permission denied
make: *** [install-lib] Error 1
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.6 (%install)

any idea why it tries to install at the rpm making step?


Check to see if selinux is blocking the remove. Also check the
permissions on /usr/lib64/libsensors.a (both regular permissions
and "lsattr").

It's most likely that the library is owned by root and doesn't have
"other write" permissions. If you're building as an ordinary user, the
rpmbuild script won't be able to remove the old library unless it does
a "sudo" or "su" before the "install" step.

but i dont do install step.. i just want the rpm to be made!
isn't it a bug to make a rpmbuild and as a result to have a script that 
want to remove something?


Thanks!
Adrian



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