Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:07:26PM +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:
 On 07/29/2015 08:07 PM, CS DBA wrote:
  I installed Fedora 20 on a macbook air like this:
  
  1) burned the KDE live dvd,
  
  2) plugged the dvd player into the mac usb port
  
  3) held down the option button while I boot the macbook
  
  4) when it comes up with the boot options choose the Fedora DVD (it
  takes a few min before it shows up)
  
  5) boot off the DVD, then do the install to disk as normal
  
  
 
 Sorry if my email wasn't clear enough: there is no disk to install
 Fedora to. The SSD drive is simply invisible.

From a root terminal[1] in the live USB, can you see the disk with
`parted -l' or `fdisk -l'?  If yes, you could format it from the command
line, and then try starting the installer.  Needless to say backup
first.  If you can't see it even with parted, then I'm afraid I don't
have any thoughts how to proceed.


Footnotes:

[1] I think sudo should work, otherwise try su -, I think in a live
system it is passwordless.

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[389-users] 389-amdin GUI/console :Performance counters-Connection Status display

2015-07-29 Thread ghiureai

Hi List
I would like to know how can I confiige my console to see the stats for 
Connection Status windows  there  4-5 columns :TIme Opened,Started but 
can't see any fields entries in my 389-admin GUI for thist particular 
counters ?

Thank you
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Re: FAIL: Thunderbird: Replying to thread

2015-07-29 Thread Greg Woods
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com wrote:

 The reply _is_ in the inbox of
 the gmail account, but without the Unread flag


It's more than that. I use the web interface for Gmail, and messages from
myself are not in the Inbox AT ALL, it just goes into the archive (All
Mail).  Curiously, if I explicitly Cc: myself, then it does go to Inbox.

I get around it the same way Ed does, but explicitly labeling mailing list
mail. In that case, the new messages from me are not marked unread and do
get the label for the mailing list.

The original point was, this is a feature of Gmail, not of the Fedora
users list.

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Suspend asks for authentication

2015-07-29 Thread Geoffrey Leach
64-bit Fedora 21, up-to-date. In the last few days, suspend is asking for 
authentication. AFAIK, nothing has changed, other than updates. Any suggestions?

Thanks.
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Re: FAIL: Thunderbird: Replying to thread

2015-07-29 Thread Rick Stevens

On 07/28/2015 11:31 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:

On 29.07.2015, Greg Woods wrote:


Stop right there. This unfortunately sounds like a well-known Google-ism.
If you send mail to a mailing list that you are on, it does not put the
message in your Inbox.


Though I'm not a Thunderbird user, I wonder why it shouldn't be able
to store a copy of your mail in the INBOX folder. I mean Thunderbird,
not Google.

After all, IMAP is nothing more than a bunch of directories. Maybe I'm
missing something..

Mutt, which is what I'm using, allows specifying where I want to have
my sent emails stored (set record), maybe Thunderbird can do the
same?

Another part of the problem may be that you haven't sorted your
listmail into seperate folders. This being the case, your email will
be sorted correctly when returned by the listserver..


I believe the gmail thing is related to an internal filter they have.
If gmail sees a message with a From address that matches yours, it
assumes you've already seen the reply (heck, you supposedly wrote it!)
and doesn't flag the reply as Unread. The reply _is_ in the inbox of
the gmail account, but without the Unread flag Thunderbird doesn't
know that it should pick it up.

Simple when you think about it. And before you ask, no, I don't know of
a way to disable that feature of gmail.
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Re: FAIL: Thunderbird: Replying to thread

2015-07-29 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA



On 29/07/15 13:30, Greg Woods wrote:


On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Rick Stevens ri...@alldigital.com 
mailto:ri...@alldigital.com wrote:


The reply _is_ in the inbox of
the gmail account, but without the Unread flag


It's more than that. I use the web interface for Gmail, and messages 
from myself are not in the Inbox AT ALL, it just goes into the archive 
(All Mail).  Curiously, if I explicitly Cc: myself, then it does go to 
Inbox.


I get around it the same way Ed does, but explicitly labeling mailing 
list mail. In that case, the new messages from me are not marked 
unread and do get the label for the mailing list.


The original point was, this is a feature of Gmail, not of the 
Fedora users list.


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.

Perhaps I don't understand the question but what I have always done is:

Account Settings  Copies  Folders

and then check the box:  Bcc these email addresses[my address]

That way I always have a copy in the proper place in the thread and it 
all appears logically.


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Re: F21: Thunderbird insists on calling Fedora list messages junk!

2015-07-29 Thread Rick Stevens

On 07/29/2015 11:59 AM, William wrote:



On 07/28/2015 05:25 PM, William wrote:



On 07/28/2015 02:17 PM, William wrote:

Good afternoon,

On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:

Good afternoon,

Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by
Thunderbird.  This is even though I whitelisted From =
users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org.  Actually, I have this
problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas?
Surely messages from this list are not junk!

thanks,
Bill.


My original message was vague; my apologies.  The Fedora list
messages were not being put into the Bulk Mail folder. Rather, they
were being flagged with a little flame symbol in the inbox table of
contents, and between the message header and the message body.
Clicking the Not Junk button clears that flame symbol, but it
reappears again shortly after.  Also, not all fedora list messages
are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are.  I see no pattern as
to which are and which are not.

 Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message
 where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't
 had one drop into the Junk folder since.

Thank-you.

I tried that.  No change; same behavior.  It also doesn't matter when
I set the filter to be run.  I checked for other user filters; there
are none.  I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this
problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one
e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list.  If I recall
correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring.  Is anyone
else seeing this behavior?  Is there something in the Fedora list
message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and
can be adjusted?  This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a
Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.

thanks,
Bill.


 Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters.
 Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different
 name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using
 Copy/Paste.  It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility
 that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking
 things up.

Thank-you Joe.  I tried what you suggested.  No change.  I also tried
deleting *all* the filters, exiting Thunderbird, and re-launching
Thunderbird.  Still the same behavior.  But it sure seemed like a good
theory.

I raised this issue because it is unique to the Fedora list, though I
experience the problem in both Fedora-21 and Windows-7. I gather from
everyone else's silence that I'm the only person experiencing the
problem.  If I really am the only person affected, we can drop this;
it's just a rather minor nuisance.

Bill.


Rick Stevens said:
  In Thunderbird, go to:
 
 Edit-Account Settings
 
  Select the Junk Settings item under the account you're concerned with,
  then click on the Global Junk Preferences button. In the next window,
  select the Junk tab, then click on the Reset Training Data button.
  You've just wiped out any junk training Thunderbird client has.
 
  When you get new mail, the system won't tag anything as junk unless you
  click on the Junk button. Eventually you'll retrain Thunderbird.
 
  I also have the Do not automatically mark mail as junk if the sender is
  in:Personal Address Book section of the Junk Settings for my
  account and I've added this list's address in my address book.

Thank-you Rick.  I tried those things, both in Fedora and in Windows.
After doing those things, I completely exited Thunderbird and
re-launched.  No change!  Thunderbird keeps on flagging most messages
from this group, and only messages from this group, as junk!  ...even
after I click the Not Junk button or use Message  Mark  As Not Junk.


Sorry it didn't work. To be honest, that was a shotgun approach to the
problem. It's worked for me before on some things but since I'm not
having the same issue as you, it's hard to make suggestions.

Looking at Thunderbird's website, make sure that you open messages that
are NOT marked as junk and press the upper case J (not junk). This
helps train Thunderbird to recognize non-junk messages.

Have a look at this link:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-junk-spam-messages

specifically the Training the junk filter section.
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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Frederic Muller f...@cm17.com wrote:

 Sorry if my email wasn't clear enough: there is no disk to install
 Fedora to. The SSD drive is simply invisible.

It's possible it's being misidentified and stolen by multipathd and
will need to be explicitly blacklisted. Doing that is easy, but
totally non-obvious. This might provide some assistance on configuring
the blacklist:
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/DM_Multipath/config_file_blacklist.html

I think I used that or something really similar to it when I had this
problem during Fedora 22 testing (which resulted in some multipathd
changes, but hey there are always edge cases).

On a MBA it's difficult to get information off of it, because
proprietary firmware is needed for wireless. I'm not sure if the
mDP/thunderbolt to ethernet adapter needs a driver (?), but if you
have one and it works out of the box then you can scp a copy of
'journalctl -b -l -o short-monotonic  journal.txt' to some other
computer. Another option is two USB sticks. Another option still is to
create the install media USB stick with livecd-iso-to-disk pointed at
a *partition* rather than the whole stick. Pre-partition it into two
partitions. Format the smaller partition as anything, mkfs.ext4 is
fine so is FAT it doesn't matter. And then point l-i-t-d (part of
livecd-tools package) to the other partition. While you're at it, you
might as all use the --overlay-size-mb option because that's necessary
to create a persistent blacklist file to be used at boot time -
assuming the blacklist file is even needed.

So now you can boot the install media, and you'll have a partition you
can mount to capture the journal. Post that file somewhere and we'll
see if it suggests multipathd or other confusion. While you're at it,
both 'lsblk' and 'blkid' output might be useful also. But really it's
whether the kernel sees it, and if so how udev and/or multipathd
handled it thereafter.


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Re: F21: Thunderbird insists on calling Fedora list messages junk!

2015-07-29 Thread William



On 07/28/2015 05:25 PM, William wrote:



On 07/28/2015 02:17 PM, William wrote:

Good afternoon,

On 07/23/2015 03:00 PM, William wrote:

Good afternoon,

Most messages received from this fedora list are labelled junk by 
Thunderbird.  This is even though I whitelisted From = 
users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org.  Actually, I have this 
problem both in my Fedora-21 and my windows-7 systems. Any ideas? 
Surely messages from this list are not junk!


thanks,
Bill.


My original message was vague; my apologies.  The Fedora list 
messages were not being put into the Bulk Mail folder. Rather, they 
were being flagged with a little flame symbol in the inbox table of 
contents, and between the message header and the message body.  
Clicking the Not Junk button clears that flame symbol, but it 
reappears again shortly after.  Also, not all fedora list messages 
are flagged with the flame symbol; but most are.  I see no pattern as 
to which are and which are not.


 Seriously, I've gotten rid of that issue by whitelisting any message
 where the To: field contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org and haven't
 had one drop into the Junk folder since.

Thank-you.

I tried that.  No change; same behavior.  It also doesn't matter when 
I set the filter to be run.  I checked for other user filters; there 
are none.  I have several e-mail accounts in Thunderbird, but this 
problem shows up only for Fedora list messages, and only in the one 
e-mail account that I use for the Fedora list.  If I recall 
correctly, this problem started showing up in late spring.  Is anyone 
else seeing this behavior?  Is there something in the Fedora list 
message headers that is bugging Thunderbird's spam-checking code, and 
can be adjusted?  This seems to not be a Thunderbird issue and not a 
Fedora issue, but a Fedora list issue.


thanks,
Bill.


 Try this: remove the filter completely and close the list of filters.
 Then, reopen the list and create a new filter, giving it a different
 name and typing in the email address from scratch instead of using
 Copy/Paste.  It sounds a tad heavy-handed, but there's a possibility
 that there's a non-printing character stuck in there that's fscking
 things up.

Thank-you Joe.  I tried what you suggested.  No change.  I also tried 
deleting *all* the filters, exiting Thunderbird, and re-launching 
Thunderbird.  Still the same behavior.  But it sure seemed like a good 
theory.


I raised this issue because it is unique to the Fedora list, though I 
experience the problem in both Fedora-21 and Windows-7. I gather from 
everyone else's silence that I'm the only person experiencing the 
problem.  If I really am the only person affected, we can drop this; 
it's just a rather minor nuisance.


Bill.


Rick Stevens said:
 In Thunderbird, go to:

Edit-Account Settings

 Select the Junk Settings item under the account you're concerned with,
 then click on the Global Junk Preferences button. In the next window,
 select the Junk tab, then click on the Reset Training Data button.
 You've just wiped out any junk training Thunderbird client has.

 When you get new mail, the system won't tag anything as junk unless you
 click on the Junk button. Eventually you'll retrain Thunderbird.

 I also have the Do not automatically mark mail as junk if the sender is
 in:Personal Address Book section of the Junk Settings for my
 account and I've added this list's address in my address book.

Thank-you Rick.  I tried those things, both in Fedora and in Windows.  
After doing those things, I completely exited Thunderbird and 
re-launched.  No change!  Thunderbird keeps on flagging most messages 
from this group, and only messages from this group, as junk!  ...even 
after I click the Not Junk button or use Message  Mark  As Not Junk.


Bill.

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Re: F21: infection reported by chkrootkit.

2015-07-29 Thread William

(replying to two posts)

On 07/28/2015 05:37 PM, William wrote:


On 07/28/2015 01:55 PM, William wrote:

Good afternoon,

On 07/23/2015 02:56 PM, William wrote:

Hi all,

While doing my routine patches and scans, chkrootkit reported the 
following:


(*** snip ***)
Checking `asp'... not infected
Checking `bindshell'... warning, got bogus l2cap line.
warning, got bogus l2cap line.
(*** snip ***)
warning, got bogus l2cap line.
INFECTED (PORTS:  3133)
Checking `lkm'... chkproc: nothing detected
(*** snip ***)

I ran rkhunter immediately after the chkrootkit run finished, 
and it reported no problems.  How do I determine if this is a false 
alarm or a real problem?  If this is a real problem, what should I 
do about it?  Also, as I'm neither a security expert nor a sysadmin, 
what is port 3133 used for?


thanks,
Bill.


I realized a lot later that I also should have mentioned that the 
chkrootkit run was shortly after doing yum update, prelink -a, 
and rebooting.  I don't know if that's significant.


 By examining the chkrootkit program -- it's a large shell script with
 a few helper tools -- to understand what it does to perform a check.

???  I looked at that long sh script.  It didn't help.  I don't see 
how knowing that chkrootkit uses netstat to check a port tells me 
whether or not I have a real problem.  I don't understand what it 
means that a port is infected.  I am a home user stuck doing his own 
sysadmin and security with no training or experience in these things.


Do I have a security problem?  If yes, how do I fix it?

 At  http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/chkrootkit  somebody has looked into
 the l2cap warning before.

Thank-you.

thanks,
Bill.


 I'm not sure why you're using prelink, but if you're worried about
 security you might consider adding -r to the command.

Some time ago, I was getting a lot of warnings from rkhunter. Both 
John Horne (of rkhunter fame) and the rkhunter warnings suggested 
I do a prelink -a after doing yum update, but before running 
rkhunter.  It worked.  So I always run prelink -a after doing yum 
update and before doing chkrootkit and rkhunter.


The -r option requires an address.  What address should I provide?  
Did you mean -R or -r?


thanks,
Bill.


Michael Schwendt said:


Then I suggest that chkrootkit is not the right tool for you.
You may ask why not? Because it's far from bullet-proof. Some of
the checks it implements are no longer relevant these days. There
are more modern rootkits that are not covered by chkrootkit. There is
no database that would receive online updates to cover more known
rootkits or vulnerabilities. It only tries to check for a few modifications
it is aware of. Other checks are not safe but only very rudimentary.
Even normal processes running on a normal installation can confuse
it. For a very long time, it considered the main systemd executable as
infected, and nobody did anything about that. Everywhere you could
meet Fedora users asking whether Fedora's official ISO images would be
infected. There's a README file included in the Fedora package, which
comments on the problem of false positives. It's the user's
responsibility to verify what chkrootkit reports, because it's not
safe to rely on it. Running chkrootkit gives a false sense of
security. If it doesn't find anything (and rkhunter not either), you
could still be affected by something it cannot find (even an only
slightly modified rootkit) or by some other vulnerability it doesn't
even check for.



There are multiple layers of security. As a home user, better focus on
tools that protect your machine from intruders. Such as a firewall,
SELinux, security relevant updates, not running things as superuser
root, and deciding carefully what to install or execute on your machine.


Thank-yo for your comments, Michael.  I *partially* agree.

I already realized that chkrootkit is not bullet-proof.  I understand 
that *no* security tool or method is bullet-proof. Malicious people are 
always brewing new evil things, and security tools and methods are 
almost always stuck trying to catch up and keep up.  I suspected that 
chkrootkit did not on its own get updates from some on-line database, 
but I wasn't sure. I hoped that maybe it was getting such updates when I 
do yum update.  You seem to be implying apparently not.  :)


This tool (along with rkhunter and SELinux) do not give me a false 
sense of security.  But they sure occasionally give me a serious scare.  
As for the possibility of false positives, that's why I come to this 
group (or for rkhunter, its group) when I receive a warning or alert.  
It's obvious to me that the contributors to these groups include some 
real experts, and I trust the groups.


If chkrootkit is so bad and out of date, are we getting any value from 
it?  Is it completely redundant with SELinux and rkhunter? If it's not 
adding anything beyond what SELinux and rkhunter do, maybe it should 
be removed from Fedora?


A couple years ago, when I got my new 

Re: F21: Thunderbird insists on calling Fedora list messages junk!

2015-07-29 Thread Joe Zeff

On 07/29/2015 11:59 AM, William wrote:


Thank-you Rick.  I tried those things, both in Fedora and in Windows.
After doing those things, I completely exited Thunderbird and
re-launched.  No change!  Thunderbird keeps on flagging most messages
from this group, and only messages from this group, as junk!  ...even
after I click the Not Junk button or use Message  Mark  As Not Junk.


Have you tried making a filter that triggers on all messages from the 
list, runs before Junk Classification and simply stops the filter 
execution?  Doing that works for me; if that's not enough, moving to the 
top of the list might help.

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Re: F21: infection reported by chkrootkit.

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:49:54 -0400, William wrote:

 I already realized that chkrootkit is not bullet-proof.  I understand 
 that *no* security tool or method is bullet-proof. Malicious people are 
 always brewing new evil things, and security tools and methods are 
 almost always stuck trying to catch up and keep up.  I suspected that 
 chkrootkit did not on its own get updates from some on-line database, 
 but I wasn't sure. I hoped that maybe it was getting such updates when I 
 do yum update.  You seem to be implying apparently not.  :)

False sense of security.

Check out rpm -q --changelog chkrootkit|less. That's Fedora's
package changelog.

v0.48 - 2007
v0.49 - 2010, three years later
v0.50 - 2014, four years later (the project page had been gone for
a long time even)

And what did change in the software? Does it check for many new
rootkits? Which rootkits are popular? Which pieces of code hackers
leave on a machine after a breakin could be found by chkrootkit?
When was the last time chkrootkit found a rootkit on your installation(s)?

Then notice some of the details in Fedora package's changelog. Fixes
for ancient undiscovered bugs. Oh wait, and CVE-2014-0476? That one
is classified as a serious vulnerability in chkrootkit itself.

 This tool (along with rkhunter and SELinux) do not give me a false 
 sense of security.  But they sure occasionally give me a serious scare.  

That makes it even worse. I don't know why you find it worthwhile to
run such tools. Have you made any experience with intrusion attempts
and especially rootkits/backdoors? Or is it like running a random virus
checker that never finds a virus, or running a cheap anti-virus which
doesn't protect against the latest and greatest threats?
It causes too much distraction. And having to deal with false positives
is a strange hobby. ;-)

 If chkrootkit is so bad and out of date, are we getting any value from 
 it?

Well, decide for yourself.

 Is it completely redundant with SELinux and rkhunter?

Do you run AIDE (package aide) just because it can add another layer
of protection? I don't think so. But that's a great tool with a special
target group, albeit special maintenance requirements, too.

 If it's not 
 adding anything beyond what SELinux and rkhunter do, maybe it should 
 be removed from Fedora?

Some packages are kept alive, because there is a volunteer to become
the owner of the Fedora package as soon as the previous owner wants to
drop the package. I don't know whether the current owner is convinced of
the usefulness or quality of the software.

 Back to the original question: Is that INFECTED (PORTS:  3133) alert a 
 false alarm or a real problem?

Suggestions:
 * Subscribe to the bugzilla ticket I've mentioned.
 * Run chkrootkit in expert mode.
 * Look up the *tiny* shell function that checks port 3133 and
   try to understand which netstat command chkrootkit runs
   to examine port 3133.
 * Draw conclusions.
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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Frederic Muller f...@cm17.com wrote:

 On a sidenote livecd-to-disk didn't work as the MBA didn't see the
 stick. dd however did work and booted.

Those seem contradictory. The stick is a block device. In order for dd
to use it, it had to show up the same as for livecd-iso-to-disk.


Gparted however saw a 16GB stick
 instead of 4GB.

Sounds suspiciously like counterfeit flash.



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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Frederic Muller f...@cm17.com wrote:
 On 07/30/2015 09:00 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Frederic Muller f...@cm17.com wrote:

 On a sidenote livecd-to-disk didn't work as the MBA didn't see the
 stick. dd however did work and booted.

 Those seem contradictory. The stick is a block device. In order for dd
 to use it, it had to show up the same as for livecd-iso-to-disk.


 Gparted however saw a 16GB stick
 instead of 4GB.

 Sounds suspiciously like counterfeit flash.



 So I formatted afterwards because I used the flash for something else
 and it showed a hpfs+ partition (using dd). I need to have a look at the
 livecd gparted view (which is then 4GB - but I think it is very
 different) but I was also very surprised by the whole stuff. Gparted
 stated that their was a problem with the block size (IIRC) which was 512
 at one place and 2048 at another place...

Flash will report a logical sector size of 512 bytes and fib about
physical sector size of 512 bytes also. Optical media has a sector
size of 2048 bytes, and the ISO image contains an ISO 9660 file system
so the terminology may just be getting confused between the actual
flash as a physical device and the fs that's on it.

*shrug*

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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Frederic Muller
On 07/30/2015 09:00 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Frederic Muller f...@cm17.com wrote:
 
 On a sidenote livecd-to-disk didn't work as the MBA didn't see the
 stick. dd however did work and booted.
 
 Those seem contradictory. The stick is a block device. In order for dd
 to use it, it had to show up the same as for livecd-iso-to-disk.
 
 
 Gparted however saw a 16GB stick
 instead of 4GB.
 
 Sounds suspiciously like counterfeit flash.
 
 
 
So I formatted afterwards because I used the flash for something else
and it showed a hpfs+ partition (using dd). I need to have a look at the
livecd gparted view (which is then 4GB - but I think it is very
different) but I was also very surprised by the whole stuff. Gparted
stated that their was a problem with the block size (IIRC) which was 512
at one place and 2048 at another place...

Fred
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Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates

2015-07-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 07/23/2015 08:28 AM, Radek Holy wrote:



- Original Message -

From: Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 6:58:49 PM
Subject: Re: dnf update vs Software Udpates

On 07/22/2015 05:41 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:

On 22.07.2015, Suvayu Ali wrote:

I usually update weekly (or at least once within two weeks). And since
F22, I get nothing to do every time I do this


What you describe indicates you could be victim of what I conside a
massive design flaw in dnf, the dnf guys have been ignoring ever since,
because they believe to know better: When dnf encounters a broken
dependency, it doesn't tell you about it and ignores it.

Try dnf --refresh --best update

Ralf


Let's admit that you ignore us as well.


No, I do not ignore you. I am simply tired of being confronted with this 
immature and broken piece of banana software called dnf and am tired 
of permanently being confronted with what I perceive as false promises.


Ralf

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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Frederic Muller
On 07/30/2015 01:16 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Frederic Muller f...@cm17.com wrote:
 
 Sorry if my email wasn't clear enough: there is no disk to install
 Fedora to. The SSD drive is simply invisible.
 
 It's possible it's being misidentified and stolen by multipathd and
 will need to be explicitly blacklisted. Doing that is easy, but
 totally non-obvious. This might provide some assistance on configuring
 the blacklist:
 https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/DM_Multipath/config_file_blacklist.html
 
 I think I used that or something really similar to it when I had this
 problem during Fedora 22 testing (which resulted in some multipathd
 changes, but hey there are always edge cases).
 
 On a MBA it's difficult to get information off of it, because
 proprietary firmware is needed for wireless. I'm not sure if the
 mDP/thunderbolt to ethernet adapter needs a driver (?), but if you
 have one and it works out of the box then you can scp a copy of
 'journalctl -b -l -o short-monotonic  journal.txt' to some other
 computer. Another option is two USB sticks. Another option still is to
 create the install media USB stick with livecd-iso-to-disk pointed at
 a *partition* rather than the whole stick. Pre-partition it into two
 partitions. Format the smaller partition as anything, mkfs.ext4 is
 fine so is FAT it doesn't matter. And then point l-i-t-d (part of
 livecd-tools package) to the other partition. While you're at it, you
 might as all use the --overlay-size-mb option because that's necessary
 to create a persistent blacklist file to be used at boot time -
 assuming the blacklist file is even needed.
 
 So now you can boot the install media, and you'll have a partition you
 can mount to capture the journal. Post that file somewhere and we'll
 see if it suggests multipathd or other confusion. While you're at it,
 both 'lsblk' and 'blkid' output might be useful also. But really it's
 whether the kernel sees it, and if so how udev and/or multipathd
 handled it thereafter.
 
 
Hi!

Thank you for the answers I see quite a few more things to try now ;-) .
On a sidenote livecd-to-disk didn't work as the MBA didn't see the
stick. dd however did work and booted. Gparted however saw a 16GB stick
instead of 4GB. And yes the wifi needs proprietary drivers...

I however gave it back to my friend last night as he is leaving on
holidays but really wants to go away from OSX (or Windows). He just
likes that hardware. I'll get it back when he returns and will be able
to have fun again.

Thank you all for the follow ups.

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Re: Dell WMI

2015-07-29 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/30/15 08:50, jd1008 wrote:
 /var/log/messages has many messages like these


 Jul 27 15:39:47 localhost kernel: [18095.720272] dell_wmi: Received unknown 
 WMI event (0x11)
 Jul 27 15:39:48 localhost kernel: [18097.73] dell_wmi: Received unknown 
 WMI event (0x11)
 Jul 27 15:40:38 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event (0x11)
 Jul 27 15:40:41 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event (0x11)


 So, is fedora going to provide a good interrupt handler to deal with these 
 interrupts and service them correctly
 the way Dell intended them to be serviced?

 I wonder how windows handles these.


dell-wmi is a kernel module.

If this is causing you trouble, file a BZ against the kernel.

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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello,

Maybe I undertsand.
THis is the list of xorg drivers:

xorg-x11-drv-wacom-0.23.0-5.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.3.3-2.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-vmware-13.0.2-4.20140613git82c9b0c.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-vesa-2.3.2-10.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.8.4-1.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.9-2.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.21.15-9.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-modesetting-0.8.0-3.fc19.i686
xorg-x11-drv-mga-1.6.2-8.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.1.1-4.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.17-1.fc22.i686
xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-13.0.0-6.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-1.7.7-2.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.3-10.fc20.i686


None of them has been updated!!

How do I update them?

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Re: No more email from bugzilla.redhat.com if filing a new bug ot modifiying a bug

2015-07-29 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/29/15 14:04, Joachim Backes wrote:
 On 29.07.2015 07:53, Joachim Backes wrote:
 Having suddenly the problem that I get no more emails from
 bugzilla.redhat.com if filing a new bug or modifying a bug entry.

 Anybody sees this too?

 Kind regards

 Joachim Backes

 Weird: after opening a BZ for bugzilla itself (because of the described
 BZ behaviour), I got an email from bugzilla!


Should always give the BZ when you take the time to report about one on the 
list.  :-)

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1247857

At least we know

Bugzilla currently has a large backlog of queued emails after a storage problem 
earlier today and is struggling to clear the backlog.  We are currently 
monitoring the system and investigating ways to clear the queue faster.


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Re: Fedora 22 WS live i686 fails

2015-07-29 Thread g


On 07/29/15 01:55, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 Yes it is an issue between burners.

 I cannot switch from one (burning) and another one (read)!!!
.
is this problem reversible? ie, neither can read the other?

this is may be due to track alignment between to drives.

 The reason that I a doing that is the network, good compare with bad!
 Even if the DVD is checked, it does not mean that it is going to work!
.
it may be better if you consider using a boot/install usb flash memory.
over the past year, i have moved away from optical as i find usb the way
to go. i still use dvd to archiving.

unetbootlin and live usb creator are great programs to use.

 dvd's not being from reputable maker can also cause problems.

 Philips, Imation, Sony?
.
nothing wrong with those names. maybe age, but not names.

same applies to blanks. i have used memorex for years and their optical
disk are as good as their magnet tapes that i have used from mid 60's.
Is it live, or is it Memorex? a very true slogan. ;-)

 when buying a new burner, remember you want dvd-r to match dvd-r blanks

 What does it mean?
.
thru out my years of playing with computers, i have read many articles on
what lead up to the current day optical disk and drives from their first
concept during early 70's when i built my first computer, an s100 system.

there has been little change from original, but a whole lot of improvement.

instead of trying to explain, i believe it would be easier to understand if
you rely on the informative from wikipedia.org as it is too much to try to
condense in a post.

  the drive;
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc_drive

  the disk;
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc

  types of disk;
   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Optical_storage_media

use last link to locate info for the various disk types.


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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:08:00 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

  For trouble-shooting Plymouth try booting without rhgb quiet boot
  parameters. You can remove them inside the GRUB boot menu.
 
 I never run with rhgb and quiet option
 In level 6, it starts Plymouth and stay stocked for ever

Again, that's a very poor problem description.

 now: it is:
 [   970.950] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686+PAE 
 root=/dev/mapper/VolGrpSys0-root ro vconsole.keymap=fr rd.dm=0 rd.md=0 
 rd.luks=0 vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rd.lvm.lv=VolGrpSys0/root 
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 3
 

I take it you haven't tried booting with enforcing=0 yet?

After two days of facing boot problems, many a user would reinstall
and hope for the best.

Trouble-shooting, on the other hand, requires much more activity and
interest in attempts at figuring out what the problem might be. Your
kernel is not the latest either. It should be possible to update from
run-level 3, minimum interest provided. You couldinstall a basic window
manager such as Openbox to test how much X will work. Only GNOME's Oh no!
message is not helpful at all, unfortunately.
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Re: initial-setup-graphical.service

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 22:39:54 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 Hello,
 
 In the manual (Installation Guide for fedora 22, 6.1), it says:
 You can make it display again (after the next reboot, before a login prompt 
 is displayed), by
 executing the following command as 
 root
 systemctl enable initial-setup-graphical.service
 
 But the response is:
 Fails to execute the operation: No such file or directory
 
 How could I rerun the Initial Setup?

rm ~/.config/gnome-initial-setup-done

or by running
/usr/libexec/gnome-initial-setup --existing-user
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:48:01 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 Hello,
 
 crash means,
 in running level 3: startx (with a new user)
 The graphics mode (if there is not xorg.conf.d
 directory) starts asking about language and keyboard and
 return to text mode (before, it says, Oh no!  etc..)

That's a little bit better description. You're starting GNOME Shell,
and the Oh no! messages is not from the X server but GNOME.

 In running level 6. it there is a xorg.conf.d directory
 the machine need to be unplugged after 
 starting Plymouth

For trouble-shooting Plymouth try booting without rhgb quiet boot
parameters. You can remove them inside the GRUB boot menu.

 in the archive I put 5 files
 The *.OK are files when I run Live
 the other 2 ones are the ones which fail the machine

Have you noticed the different kernel boot parameters?
Who added inst.xdriver=vesa to them? And why? Is it like that
since your F20? Do you need it?
https://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/doc/boot-options.html#_inst_xdriver

[90.317] Kernel command line:
BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686+PAE
root=/dev/mapper/VolGrpSys0-root ro vconsole.keymap=fr rd.dm=0 rd.md=0
rd.luks=0 vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rd.lvm.lv=VolGrpSys0/root
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 inst.xdriver=vesa

Compare with your attached Xorg.1.log.OK (from the live image):

[   648.966] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz0 initrd=initrd0.img 
root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-Live-WS-i686-22-3 rootfstype=auto ro rd.live.image 
quiet  rhgb rd.luks=0 rd.md=0 rd.dm=0
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre


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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 10:43 AM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:48:01 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
  Hello,
  
  crash means,
  in running level 3: startx (with a new user)
  The graphics mode (if there is not xorg.conf.d
  directory) starts asking about language and keyboard and
  return to text mode (before, it says, Oh no!  etc..)
 
 That's a little bit better description. You're starting GNOME Shell,
 and the Oh no! messages is not from the X server but GNOME.
 
  In running level 6. it there is a xorg.conf.d directory
  the machine need to be unplugged after 
  starting Plymouth
 
 For trouble-shooting Plymouth try booting without rhgb quiet boot
 parameters. You can remove them inside the GRUB boot menu.

I never run with rhgb and quiet option
In level 6, it starts Plymouth and stay stocked for ever

  in the archive I put 5 files
  The *.OK are files when I run Live
  the other 2 ones are the ones which fail the machine
 
 Have you noticed the different kernel boot parameters?
 Who added inst.xdriver=vesa to them? And why? Is it like that
 since your F20? Do you need it?
I tried one time with this option, it did not help. 
now: it is:
[   970.950] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686+PAE 
root=/dev/mapper/VolGrpSys0-root ro vconsole.keymap=fr rd.dm=0 rd.md=0 
rd.luks=0 vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rd.lvm.lv=VolGrpSys0/root 
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 3


 https://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/doc/boot-options.html#_inst_xdriver
 
 [90.317] Kernel command line:
 BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686+PAE
 root=/dev/mapper/VolGrpSys0-root ro vconsole.keymap=fr rd.dm=0 rd.md=0
 rd.luks=0 vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 rd.lvm.lv=VolGrpSys0/root
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 inst.xdriver=vesa
 
 Compare with your attached Xorg.1.log.OK (from the live image):
 
 [   648.966] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=vmlinuz0 initrd=initrd0.img 
 root=live:CDLABEL=Fedora-Live-WS-i686-22-3 rootfstype=auto ro rd.live.image 
 quiet  rhgb rd.luks=0 rd.md=0 rd.dm=0


I do not see much difference (after removing inst.xdriver=vesa).

I also tried to use the file xorg.conf generated by Live, but it does not help.

Thank for your help.

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installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Frederic Muller
Hi!

I have been struggling installing Fedora on a friend's MBA as the local
SSD doesn't seem to be recognized. I found a few posts online with
various degrees of luck, unfortunately they never mentioned with MBA is
used and that didn't work for me.

Does anyone has (positive?) experience on the topic?

Thank you.

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Re: No more email from bugzilla.redhat.com if filing a new bug ot modifiying a bug

2015-07-29 Thread Joachim Backes
On 29.07.2015 08:04, Joachim Backes wrote:
 On 29.07.2015 07:53, Joachim Backes wrote:
 Having suddenly the problem that I get no more emails from
 bugzilla.redhat.com if filing a new bug or modifying a bug entry.

 Anybody sees this too?

 Kind regards

 Joachim Backes

 Weird: after opening a BZ for bugzilla itself (because of the described
 BZ behaviour), I got an email from bugzilla!
 

Getting a reply from BZ:

Bugzilla currently has a large backlog of queued emails after a storage
problem
earlier today and is struggling to clear the backlog.  We are currently
monitoring the system and investigating ways to clear the queue faster.

This explains all.

Kind regards

Joachim Backes

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Re: FAIL: Thunderbird: Replying to thread

2015-07-29 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 29.07.2015, Greg Woods wrote: 

 Stop right there. This unfortunately sounds like a well-known Google-ism.
 If you send mail to a mailing list that you are on, it does not put the
 message in your Inbox.

Though I'm not a Thunderbird user, I wonder why it shouldn't be able
to store a copy of your mail in the INBOX folder. I mean Thunderbird,
not Google.

After all, IMAP is nothing more than a bunch of directories. Maybe I'm
missing something..

Mutt, which is what I'm using, allows specifying where I want to have
my sent emails stored (set record), maybe Thunderbird can do the
same?

Another part of the problem may be that you haven't sorted your
listmail into seperate folders. This being the case, your email will
be sorted correctly when returned by the listserver..

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Re: No more email from bugzilla.redhat.com if filing a new bug ot modifiying a bug

2015-07-29 Thread Joachim Backes
On 29.07.2015 07:53, Joachim Backes wrote:
 Having suddenly the problem that I get no more emails from
 bugzilla.redhat.com if filing a new bug or modifying a bug entry.
 
 Anybody sees this too?
 
 Kind regards
 
 Joachim Backes
 
Weird: after opening a BZ for bugzilla itself (because of the described
BZ behaviour), I got an email from bugzilla!

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Re: Fedora 22 WS live i686 fails

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
Yes it is an issue between burners.

I cannot switch from one (burning) and another one (read)!!!
The reason that I a doing that is the network, good compare with bad!
Even if the DVD is checked, it does not mean that it is going to work!

 dvd's not being from reputable maker can also cause problems.
Philips, Imation, Sony?

 when buying a new burner, remember you want dvd-r to match dvd-r blanks
What does it mean?

Thank

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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 6:16 AM
 From: g gel...@bellsouth.net
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Fedora 22 WS live i686 fails

 
 
 On 07/28/15 02:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
  On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 4:46 AM jd1008 wrote
  On 07/27/2015 08:40 PM, g wrote:
  On 07/27/15 16:44, Patrick Dupre wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I tried to start Fedora 22 WS live i686 (from a DVD that I burned)
  on 2 different machines and it failed with the message:
  Could not boot
  /dev/disk/by-label/Fedora-Live-WS-i686-22-3 does not exist
  /dev/mapper/live-rw does not exit
 
  I burned 2 DVDs with the same issue!
  did you run checksum on iso before burning?
  YES
 
 .
 ok.
 
  are you burning cl or gui?
  GUI (k3d)
 
 .
 ok.
 
  try burning at 2 speeds slower to test dvd's and burner.
  The speed is auto (x4 if I am correct)
 
 .
 such would mean either your burner or dvd's are 4x. if both are above
 4x, it would tend to indicate burner problem, or it is an early model.
 
 manually drop to 2x to see if new burn will boot.
 
 
  Another check should be done when the dvd is booted and anaconda
  prompts the user to check the media. If that check fails, then, perhaps
  a. bad burn
  It success
  b. bad media
  I tried 2 types of media already
  c. bad download
  !!
  d. flaky dvd drive
 
  I never had any problem before with this burner or DVDs
 
 .
 a burner can go bad while burning or reading a dvd. more often when
 burning. main cause of problems is laser fails, usually from higher
 wattage used during burn.
 
 optical disk burners are strange devices with stranger habits.
 
 another test is to burn a different live iso. something that you
 have burned before and had good results, _and_ is of early /dev
 configuration.
 
 because you have 2 machines, try burning dvd on 2nd box.
 
 dvd's not being from reputable maker can also cause problems.
 
 today's run of dvd-r disk are usually of 16x speed, where as burners
 are 24x. [do not ask. i wonder why myself.]
 
 current prices for good dvd burners are around $20 for internal and
 external usb. just decide what your time and peace of mind are worth.
 
 when buying a new burner, remember you want dvd-r to match dvd-r blanks.
 
 
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Re: FAIL: Thunderbird: Replying to thread

2015-07-29 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/29/15 07:02, Greg Woods wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Rich Emberson emberson.r...@gmail.com 
 mailto:emberson.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I reply to a thread using Thunderbird, the response never
 shows up, but, if I include the email of the person who wrote
 the thread I am responding to, that person gets the email.

 On the other hand, if I log in to my gmail account


 Stop right there. This unfortunately sounds like a well-known Google-ism. If 
 you send mail to a mailing list that you are on, it does not put the message 
 in your Inbox. Our users have complained about this countless times, but 
 Google is a giant and we are small potatoes, so it's not going to change.

Yes, I use T-Bird almost exclusively and without issue.  A simple way, and 
the way I use, to fix it is to use gmail's filters to put emails from mailing 
lists into their own folder and bypass the INBOX.

I prefer to do it that way since that is how I've things for  a long 
timedating back to when I ran my own mail server.  I also have different 
retention lengths for various mailing lists which is managed by T-Bird.  Why 
should I archive everything when fedora holds it?  :-)

 Check and see if the messages in question are in your All Mail folder (if you 
 are able to see this through an IMAP connection with Thunderbird). Otherwise 
 you would need to log in to your Gmail account through the browser interface 
 to check.

 I do manage to get the mailing list mail into my Inbox, but only because I 
 have filters (at Google) that explicitly label the mailing list messages.


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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre


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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 12:10 PM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:33:20 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
  Hello,
  
  Maybe I undertsand.
  THis is the list of xorg drivers:
  
  xorg-x11-drv-wacom-0.23.0-5.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.3.3-2.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-vmware-13.0.2-4.20140613git82c9b0c.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-vesa-2.3.2-10.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.8.4-1.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.9-2.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.21.15-9.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-modesetting-0.8.0-3.fc19.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-mga-1.6.2-8.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.1.1-4.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.17-1.fc22.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-13.0.0-6.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-1.7.7-2.fc20.i686
  xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.3-10.fc20.i686
 
  None of them has been updated!!
 
 Didn't you say you upgraded from F20 to F22? How did you do that?

YES

  How do I update them?
 
 On Run-level 3:
 
   dnf update
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!

 or:
   dnf distro-sync
Last metadata expiration check performed 1:03:22 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
2015.
Error: package directfb-1.6.2-3.fc19.i686 requires libmng.so.1, but none of the 
providers can be installed.
package pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 requires itext(x86-32) = 2.1.7-6, but none of 
the providers can be installed



 Also verify dnf repolist and /etc/fedora-release so that you're
 really using Fedora 22 repos.
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
Extra Packages
AdobeReader_enu.i4869.5.5-1  @System
PyOpenGL.noarch 3.1.0b2-1.fc20   @System
SOAPpy.noarch   0.11.6-17.fc20   @System
adobe-release-i386.noarch   1.0-1@System
aic94xx-firmware.noarch 30-6.fc20@System
anaconda-yum-plugins.noarch 1:1.0-10.fc20@System
automake14.noarch   1.4p6-24.fc19@System
automake17.noarch   1.7.9-18.fc19@System
bijiben.i6863.10.2-1.fc20@System
brasero.i6863.10.0-1.fc20@System
brasero-nautilus.i686   3.10.0-1.fc20@System
btparser.i686   0.26-1.fc19  @System
caribou.i6860.4.13-1.fc20@System
caribou-gtk2-module.i6860.4.13-1.fc20@System
caribou-gtk3-module.i6860.4.13-1.fc20@System
celt.i686   0.11.3-1.fc20@System
cheese.i686 2:3.10.2-2.fc20  @System
cheese-libs.i6862:3.10.2-2.fc20  @System
clutter.i6861.16.2-4.fc20@System
clutter-gst2.i686   2.0.10-1.fc20@System
clutter-gtk.i6861.4.4-3.fc20 @System
cogl.i686   1.16.0-3.fc20@System
control-center.i686 1:3.10.4-1.fc20  @System
control-center-filesystem.i686  1:3.10.4-1.fc20  @System
cpan2rpm.noarch 2.028-1  @System
directfb.i686   1.6.2-3.fc19 @System
empathy.i6863.10.3-2.fc20@System
eog.i6863.10.2-1.fc20@System
evince.i686 3.10.3-2.fc20@System
evince-dvi.i686 3.10.3-2.fc20@System
evince-libs.i6863.10.3-2.fc20@System
evince-nautilus.i6863.10.3-2.fc20@System
evolution.i686  3.10.4-4.fc20@System
evolution-data-server.i686  3.10.4-7.fc20@System
evolution-ews.i686  3.10.4-1.fc20@System
evolution-help.noarch   3.10.4-4.fc20@System
evolution-perl.i686 3.10.4-4.fc20@System
farstream02.i6860.2.3-3.fc20 @System
fedora-package-config-smart.i68613.89-25 @System
ffmpeg-libs.i6862.1.8-1.fc20 @System
flash-plugin.i386   11.2.202.491-release @System
folks.i686  1:0.9.6-2.fc20   @System
freeimage.i686  3.10.0-16.fc20   @System
freerdp.i6861:1.0.2-6.fc20   @System
freerdp-libs.i686   1:1.0.2-6.fc20   @System
freerdp-plugins.i6861:1.0.2-6.fc20   @System
gdm.i6861:3.10.0.1-1.fc20@System
gdm-libs.i686   1:3.10.0.1-1.fc20@System
giac.i386   1.1.0-1  @System
gimp.i686   2:2.8.14-1.fc20  @System
gimp-libs.i686  2:2.8.14-1.fc20  @System
gnome-bluetooth.i6861:3.10.0-1.fc20  @System
gnome-bluetooth-libs.i686   1:3.10.0-1.fc20  @System
gnome-boxes.i6863.10.2-3.fc20@System
gnome-clocks.i686   3.10.1-1.fc20@System
gnome-contacts.i686 3.10.2-1.fc20@System
gnome-desktop3.i686 3.10.2-3.fc20@System
gnome-documents.i6863.10.3-1.fc20@System
gnome-font-viewer.i686  3.10.0-1.fc20@System
gnome-initial-setup.i6863.10.1.1-4.fc20  @System
gnome-nettool.i686  3.8.1-2.fc20 @System
gnome-online-miners.i686

Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:52:57 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 parts of the output (rpm --last)

According to that output, you have installed updates over the past two days.
Surprise, surprise!

 kernel-tools-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:06 PM CEST
 kernel-tools-libs-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:05 PM CEST
 kernel-PAE-devel-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:42 PM CEST
 kernel-headers-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:10 PM CEST

That's the latest for F22. And 4.1.3 is in updates-testing.
But why do you boot 4.0.4-301.fc22 then?
Time to check your boot loader menu, too.
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
OK,

I guess that I got it:
dnf remove kernel-PAE-modules-extra-3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
dnf remove directfb
dnf remove pdftk

and now it is installing the updated packages

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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:57 PM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:48:28 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
  I run:
  dnf remove xorg-x11-drv-ati
  
  and then:
  dnf install xorg-x11-drv-ati
  Last metadata expiration check performed 2:29:58 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
  2015.
  Error: package xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.5.0-3.fc22.i686 requires 
  xserver-abi(videodrv-19) = 0, but none of the providers can be installed
  
 
 It is not wise to break your installation further.
 If that package cannot be update automatically, removing it won't fix
 anything, since removing it doesn't fix the dependency problems.
 You could try:
 
   dnf update --best
 
 and if that also fails, examine your installation for retired/broken
 packages:
 
   dnf repoquery --unsatisfied
   dnf repoquery --duplicated 
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:55:47 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

  Is it the same when you run dnf distro-sync?
 Error: package directfb-1.6.2-3.fc19.i686 requires libmng.so.1, but none of 
 the providers can be installed.
 package pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 requires itext(x86-32) = 2.1.7-6, but none 
 of the providers can be installed
 

I told you before that these do not exist anymore and have been
retired _after_ Fedora 19. You *cannot* keep them if they cause dep breakage:

  dnf remove directfb pdftk
  dnf distro-sync

 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
 intel-compilerpro-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerpro-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerpro-vars-192-13.1-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerproc-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
 intel-compilerproc-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerproc-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerprof-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
 intel-compilerprof-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerprof-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idb-192-13.0-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idb-common-192-13.0-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idbcdt-192-13.0-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-192-7.1-1.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-common-192-7.1-1.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-devel-192-7.1-1.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-192-11.0-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-common-192-11.0-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-devel-192-11.0-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-openmp-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-openmp-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
 intel-sourcechecker-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
 intel-sourcechecker-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-tbb-192-4.1-4.noarch
 nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-tbb-devel-192-4.1-4.noarch

These are not from Fedora, are they?
You may need to deal with them, too, as long as they cause dependency
problems.

dnf repoquery --duplicated 
 
 kernel-PAE-0:3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
 kernel-PAE-0:4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-0:3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-0:4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-0:4.0.8-300.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-0:4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-modules-extra-0:3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
 kernel-PAE-modules-extra-0:4.0.4-301.fc22.i686

Well, okay for now, cleaning up wouldn't hurt but normally three kernels are 
kept
automatically only anyway.
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:33:20 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Maybe I undertsand.
 THis is the list of xorg drivers:
 
 xorg-x11-drv-wacom-0.23.0-5.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.3.3-2.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-vmware-13.0.2-4.20140613git82c9b0c.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-vesa-2.3.2-10.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-evdev-2.8.4-1.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.9-2.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-intel-2.21.15-9.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-modesetting-0.8.0-3.fc19.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-mga-1.6.2-8.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-qxl-0.1.1-4.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.17-1.fc22.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-13.0.0-6.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-1.7.7-2.fc20.i686
 xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.3-10.fc20.i686

 None of them has been updated!!

Didn't you say you upgraded from F20 to F22? How did you do that?

 How do I update them?

On Run-level 3:

  dnf update
or:
  dnf distro-sync

Also verify dnf repolist and /etc/fedora-release so that you're
really using Fedora 22 repos.
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:20:13 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

   xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20.i686
   xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-13.0.0-6.fc20.i686
   xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-1.7.7-2.fc20.i686
   xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.3-10.fc20.i686
  
   None of them has been updated!!
  
  Didn't you say you upgraded from F20 to F22? How did you do that?
 
 YES

_HOW_ exactly? With a tool like fedup?

  On Run-level 3:
  
dnf update
 Dependencies resolved.
 Nothing to do.
 Complete!

Have you had a look at rpm -qa --last yet? What does it tell?
You can redirect the output to a file or a pipe, such as

  rpm -qa --last  output.txt
  rpm -qa --last|less

and show it.

  or:
dnf distro-sync
 Last metadata expiration check performed 1:03:22 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
 2015.
 Error: package directfb-1.6.2-3.fc19.i686 requires libmng.so.1, but none of 
 the providers can be installed.
 package pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 requires itext(x86-32) = 2.1.7-6, but none 
 of the providers can be installed

directfb has been retired after Fedora 19:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/directfb.git/plain/dead.package

pdftk has been retired after Fedora 19, too:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/pdftk.git/plain/dead.package

It seems you haven't cleaned up your installation for a very long time.
There have been tools to do that. Even yum list extras has been popular.
dnf list extras also exists.

  Also verify dnf repolist and /etc/fedora-release so that you're
  really using Fedora 22 repos.

Did you ignore this step deliberately?
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:02:27 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 Extra Packages

Irrelevant. As explained, your installation _must_ be up-to-date before
this command makes sense. Not all old updates are kept in the repos, so
the command would complain about old updates found on your machine when
you don't update to the latest updates.

 xorg-x11-drv-ati.i686   7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20  
 @System


Focus on this one, please, as it is the driver you need:

  rpm -qa xorg-x11-drv-ati\*

If you get duplicates, look at bottom of man yum2dnf and run commands
to _clean up_ duplicates.

If you get only a single package, try further to update your installation.

The driver package is xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.5.0-3.fc22 or higher for F22:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=610865

If dnf update still doesn't update those packages, show some basic
queries, such as dnf list xorg-x11-drv-ati, dnf repolist and try
dnf update xorg-x11\* too
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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:41:04PM +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:
 Hi!
 
 I have been struggling installing Fedora on a friend's MBA as the local
 SSD doesn't seem to be recognized. I found a few posts online with
 various degrees of luck, unfortunately they never mentioned with MBA is
 used and that didn't work for me.

I'm not a Mac user, but knowing what you tried might give others some
ideas what you could try.

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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
hello,

Sorry, but the file is huge even after compression.
It has been through the moderator!
How can I help?

===
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 12:29 PM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:20:13 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-13.0.0-6.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-synaptics-1.7.7-2.fc20.i686
xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.3-10.fc20.i686
   
None of them has been updated!!
   
   Didn't you say you upgraded from F20 to F22? How did you do that?
  
  YES

fedup --device /dev/sr0 --product=nonproduct
yum update
dnf update

 _HOW_ exactly? With a tool like fedup?
 
   On Run-level 3:
   
 dnf update
  Dependencies resolved.
  Nothing to do.
  Complete!
 
 Have you had a look at rpm -qa --last yet? What does it tell?
 You can redirect the output to a file or a pipe, such as
 
   rpm -qa --last  output.txt
   rpm -qa --last|less
 
 and show it.
 
   or:
 dnf distro-sync
  Last metadata expiration check performed 1:03:22 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
  2015.
  Error: package directfb-1.6.2-3.fc19.i686 requires libmng.so.1, but none of 
  the providers can be installed.
  package pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 requires itext(x86-32) = 2.1.7-6, but none 
  of the providers can be installed
 
 directfb has been retired after Fedora 19:
 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/directfb.git/plain/dead.package
 
 pdftk has been retired after Fedora 19, too:
 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/pdftk.git/plain/dead.package
 
 It seems you haven't cleaned up your installation for a very long time.
 There have been tools to do that. Even yum list extras has been popular.
 dnf list extras also exists.
 
   Also verify dnf repolist and /etc/fedora-release so that you're
   really using Fedora 22 repos.
 
 Did you ignore this step deliberately?
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
parts of the output (rpm --last)

allegro-4.4.2-13.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:21 PM CEST
coolkey-1.1.0-27.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:20 PM CEST
goffice-0.10.22-2.fc22.i686   Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:19 PM CEST
iw-4.1-1.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:17 PM CEST
libidn-1.31-1.fc22.i686   Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:16 PM CEST
pam_pkcs11-0.6.8-6.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:15 PM CEST
perl-Params-Validate-1.20-1.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:14 PM CEST
wpa_supplicant-2.4-4.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:13 PM CEST
wpa_supplicant-gui-2.4-4.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:12 PM CEST
avahi-autoipd-0.6.31-32.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:12 PM CEST
avahi-0.6.31-32.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:10 PM CEST
avahi-ui-gtk3-0.6.31-32.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:09 PM CEST
avahi-gobject-0.6.31-32.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:09 PM CEST
audit-libs-python-2.4.3-1.fc22.i686   Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:08 PM CEST
audit-2.4.3-1.fc22.i686   Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:08 PM CEST
livecd-tools-22.2-1.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:06 PM CEST
kernel-tools-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:06 PM CEST
kernel-tools-libs-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:05 PM CEST
parted-3.2-9.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:04 PM CEST
audit-libs-2.4.3-1.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:03 PM CEST
avahi-libs-0.6.31-32.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:02 PM CEST
avahi-glib-0.6.31-32.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:02 PM CEST
kernel-PAE-devel-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:42 PM CEST
dnf-langpacks-0.12.0-2.fc22.noarchWed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:13 PM CEST
kernel-headers-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:10 PM CEST
hplip-gui-3.15.7-1.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:08 PM CEST
debhelper-9.20150507-2.fc22.noarchWed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:06 PM CEST
dpkg-dev-1.17.25-3.fc22.noarchWed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:04 PM CEST
python-imgcreate-22.2-1.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:03 PM CEST
libsane-hpaio-3.15.7-1.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:03 PM CEST
hplip-3.15.7-1.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:02 PM CEST
hplip-compat-libs-3.15.7-1.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:15:59 PM CEST
hpijs-3.15.7-1.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:15:54 PM CEST
hplip-libs-3.15.7-1.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:15:51 PM CEST
hplip-common-3.15.7-1.fc22.i686   Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:15:50 PM CEST
xvidcore-1.3.2-6.fc22.i686Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:44 AM CEST
xorg-x11-drv-geode-2.11.17-1.fc22.i686Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:43 AM CEST
wput-0.6.1-15.fc22.i686   Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:41 AM CEST
whois-5.2.9-1.fc22.i686   Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:39 AM CEST
whereami-1.0-9.fc22.i686  Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:39 AM CEST
vo-amrwbenc-0.1.2-2.fc22.i686 Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:38 AM CEST
twolame-libs-0.3.13-4.fc22.i686   Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:37 AM CEST
tslib-1.0-9.fc22.i686 Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:36 AM CEST
tmpwatch-2.11-6.fc22.i686 Tue 28 Jul 2015 12:19:35 AM CEST

gpg-pubkey-246110c1-51954fca  Tue 07 Jan 2014 11:22:10 PM CET
libcddb-1.3.2-12.fc20.i686Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:17:51 PM CET
libmng-1.0.10-12.fc20.i686Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:17:36 PM CET
prelink-0.5.0-1.fc20.i686 Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:17:14 PM CET
xorg-x11-drv-vmmouse-13.0.0-6.fc20.i686   Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:13:18 PM CET
xorg-x11-drv-vesa-2.3.2-10.fc20.i686  Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:13:17 PM CET
xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-0.4.3-10.fc20.i686 Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:13:16 PM CET
xorg-x11-drv-nouveau-1.0.9-2.fc20.i686Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:13:15 PM CET
xorg-x11-drv-mga-1.6.2-8.fc20.i686Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:13:15 PM CET
xorg-x11-drv-openchrome-0.3.3-2.fc20.i686 Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:13:14 PM CET
sushi-3.10.0-1.fc20.i686  Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:10:48 PM CET
totem-mozplugin-3.10.1-1.fc20.i686Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:09:57 PM CET
gnome-system-monitor-3.10.2-1.fc20.i686   Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:09:51 PM CET
gnome-font-viewer-3.10.0-1.fc20.i686  Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:09:12 PM CET
eog-3.10.2-1.fc20.i686Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:09:10 PM CET
vinagre-3.10.2-1.fc20.i686Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:08:30 PM CET
xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20.i686 Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:08:27 
PM CET
gnome-clocks-3.10.1-1.fc20.i686   Mon 06 Jan 2014 11:07:29 PM CET



Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
There are several issues:
kernel-PAE-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  has not been installed!

rpm -qa |grep kernel
libreport-plugin-kerneloops-2.6.1-1.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-modules-extra-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-devel-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-devel-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-core-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
kernel-tools-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-devel-4.0.8-300.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-modules-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
kernel-tools-libs-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
texlive-l3kernel-svn32599.SVN_4646-8.fc22.noarch
abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.6.1-1.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-modules-extra-3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
kernel-core-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
kernel-PAE-devel-3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
kernel-headers-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
kernel-doc-3.19.8-100.fc20.noarch



===
 Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com
 Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
 Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale   | |
 Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
===


 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:09 PM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:02:27 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
  Extra Packages
 
 Irrelevant. As explained, your installation _must_ be up-to-date before
 this command makes sense. Not all old updates are kept in the repos, so
 the command would complain about old updates found on your machine when
 you don't update to the latest updates.
 
  xorg-x11-drv-ati.i686   7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20  
  @System
 
 
 Focus on this one, please, as it is the driver you need:
 
   rpm -qa xorg-x11-drv-ati\*
 
 If you get duplicates, look at bottom of man yum2dnf and run commands
 to _clean up_ duplicates.
 
 If you get only a single package, try further to update your installation.

Yes only one
but I cannot update it with dnf.
I could do it manually, there we need to understand why the update does not
work properly

Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!


 The driver package is xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.5.0-3.fc22 or higher for F22:
 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=610865
 
 If dnf update still doesn't update those packages, show some basic
 queries, such as dnf list xorg-x11-drv-ati,
Installed Packages
xorg-x11-drv-ati.i686  7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20   @System
Available Packages
xorg-x11-drv-ati.i686  7.5.0-3.fc22  fedora

 dnf repolist and try
repolist
Last metadata expiration check performed 2:13:06 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
2015.
repo idrepo name  status
*fedoraFedora 22 - i386   37,654
rpmfusion-free RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free   418
rpmfusion-free-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free - Updates  18
rpmfusion-nonfree  RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree161
rpmfusion-nonfree-updates  RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree - Updates   13
*updates   Fedora 22 - i386 - Updates  6,203

Are the * OK?

 dnf update xorg-x11\* too

ackage xorg-x11-twm not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-intel-devel not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-9-100dpi not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-voodoo not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-304xx not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-xdm not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-xfs not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-340xx-cuda not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-xsm not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-devel not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-340xx not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-server-Xwayland not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-util-macros not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-14-75dpi not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-server-Xdmx not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-libinput not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-dummy not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-2-100dpi not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-14-100dpi not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-xfs-utils not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drivers not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-docs not installed, cannot update it.
Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-304xx-libs not installed, 

Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
I run:
dnf remove xorg-x11-drv-ati

and then:
dnf install xorg-x11-drv-ati
Last metadata expiration check performed 2:29:58 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
2015.
Error: package xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.5.0-3.fc22.i686 requires 
xserver-abi(videodrv-19) = 0, but none of the providers can be installed


===
 Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com
 Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
 Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale   | |
 Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
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===


 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:32 PM
 From: Patrick Dupre pdu...@gmx.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Cc: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 There are several issues:
 kernel-PAE-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  has not been installed!
 
 rpm -qa |grep kernel
 libreport-plugin-kerneloops-2.6.1-1.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-modules-extra-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-core-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
 kernel-tools-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-4.0.8-300.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-modules-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 kernel-tools-libs-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 texlive-l3kernel-svn32599.SVN_4646-8.fc22.noarch
 abrt-addon-kerneloops-2.6.1-1.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-modules-extra-3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
 kernel-core-4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 kernel-PAE-devel-3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
 kernel-headers-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
 kernel-doc-3.19.8-100.fc20.noarch
 
 
 
 ===
  Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com
  Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
  Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale   | |
  Tel.  (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12   | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
  189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
 ===
 
 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:09 PM
  From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
  To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
  Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure
 
  On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:02:27 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
  
   Extra Packages
  
  Irrelevant. As explained, your installation _must_ be up-to-date before
  this command makes sense. Not all old updates are kept in the repos, so
  the command would complain about old updates found on your machine when
  you don't update to the latest updates.
  
   xorg-x11-drv-ati.i686   7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20  
   @System
  
  
  Focus on this one, please, as it is the driver you need:
  
rpm -qa xorg-x11-drv-ati\*
  
  If you get duplicates, look at bottom of man yum2dnf and run commands
  to _clean up_ duplicates.
  
  If you get only a single package, try further to update your installation.
 
 Yes only one
 but I cannot update it with dnf.
 I could do it manually, there we need to understand why the update does not
 work properly
 
 Dependencies resolved.
 Nothing to do.
 Complete!
 
 
  The driver package is xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.5.0-3.fc22 or higher for F22:
  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=610865
  
  If dnf update still doesn't update those packages, show some basic
  queries, such as dnf list xorg-x11-drv-ati,
 Installed Packages
 xorg-x11-drv-ati.i686  7.2.0-3.20131101git3b38701.fc20   
 @System
 Available Packages
 xorg-x11-drv-ati.i686  7.5.0-3.fc22  
 fedora
 
  dnf repolist and try
 repolist
 Last metadata expiration check performed 2:13:06 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
 2015.
 repo idrepo name  
 status
 *fedoraFedora 22 - i386   
 37,654
 rpmfusion-free RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free   
 418
 rpmfusion-free-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free - Updates  
 18
 rpmfusion-nonfree  RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree
 161
 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates  RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree - Updates   
 13
 *updates   Fedora 22 - i386 - Updates  
 6,203
 
 Are the * OK?
 
  dnf update xorg-x11\* too
 
 ackage xorg-x11-twm not installed, cannot update it.
 Package xorg-x11-drv-intel-devel not installed, cannot update it.
 Package xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-9-100dpi not installed, cannot update it.
 Package xorg-x11-drv-voodoo not installed, cannot update it.
 Package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-304xx not installed, cannot update it.
 Package xorg-x11-xdm not installed, cannot update it.
 Package xorg-x11-xfs not installed, cannot update it.
 

Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre


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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:50 PM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:32:49 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
  Dependencies resolved.
  Nothing to do.
  Complete!
 
 This is a major misdesign of dnf. It hides some problems and tries to
 be helpful, but the confusion that causes can be highly problematic in
 cases such as yours. It is a known issue. DNF developers are aware of it.
 
 Is it the same when you run dnf distro-sync?
Error: package directfb-1.6.2-3.fc19.i686 requires libmng.so.1, but none of the 
providers can be installed.
package pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 requires itext(x86-32) = 2.1.7-6, but none of 
the providers can be installed



 What do you get for:
 
   dnf repoquery --unsatisfied
Last metadata expiration check performed 2:37:06 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
2015.
nothing provides libHalf.so.6 needed by freeimage-3.10.0-16.fc20.i686
nothing provides libpackagekit-glib2.so.16 needed by 
gnome-settings-daemon-updates-3.10.3-2.fc20.i686
nothing provides libgcrypt.so.11 needed by grilo-plugins-0.2.9-3.fc20.i686
nothing provides libgphoto2_port.so.10 needed by gvfs-gphoto2-1.18.4-1.fc20.i686
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerpro-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerpro-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerpro-vars-192-13.1-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerproc-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
intel-compilerproc-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerproc-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerprof-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
intel-compilerprof-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerprof-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idb-192-13.0-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idb-common-192-13.0-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idbcdt-192-13.0-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-192-7.1-1.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-common-192-7.1-1.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-devel-192-7.1-1.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-192-11.0-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-common-192-11.0-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-devel-192-11.0-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-openmp-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-openmp-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
intel-sourcechecker-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-sourcechecker-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-tbb-192-4.1-4.noarch
nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-tbb-devel-192-4.1-4.noarch
nothing provides libgcj_bc.so.1 needed by itext-2.1.7-21.fc20.i686
nothing provides /usr/lib/security/classpath.security needed by 
java-1.5.0-gcj-1.5.0.0-45.fc20.i686
nothing provides java-1.8.0-openjdk = 1:1.8.0.45-36.b13.fc22 needed by 
java-1.8.0-openjdk-devel-1:1.8.0.45-36.b13.fc22.i686
nothing provides libgcrypt.so.11 needed by libimobiledevice-1.1.6-2.fc20.i686
nothing provides libgcj.so.14 needed by pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Chart-Clicker-2.86-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Chart-GRACE-0.95-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Color-Scheme-1.05-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Forest-0.10-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Geometry-Primitive-0.22-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Graphics-Color-0.29-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Graphics-Primitive-0.61-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Graphics-Primitive-Driver-Cairo-0.44-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Layout-Manager-0.34-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Math-GSL-0.27-1.fc20.i686
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 
perl-Math-Integral-Romberg-0.04-1.fc20.noarch
nothing provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.2) needed by 

Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre


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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 1:02 PM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:52:57 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
  parts of the output (rpm --last)
 
 According to that output, you have installed updates over the past two days.
 Surprise, surprise!
 
  kernel-tools-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:06 PM 
  CEST
  kernel-tools-libs-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686 Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:18:05 PM 
  CEST
  kernel-PAE-devel-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686  Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:42 PM 
  CEST
  kernel-headers-4.1.2-200.fc22.i686Wed 29 Jul 2015 12:16:10 PM 
  CEST
I just installed them, and have not reboot yet
I am going to reboot.


 That's the latest for F22. And 4.1.3 is in updates-testing.
 But why do you boot 4.0.4-301.fc22 then?
 Time to check your boot loader menu, too.
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:32:49 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 Dependencies resolved.
 Nothing to do.
 Complete!

This is a major misdesign of dnf. It hides some problems and tries to
be helpful, but the confusion that causes can be highly problematic in
cases such as yours. It is a known issue. DNF developers are aware of it.

Is it the same when you run dnf distro-sync?

What do you get for:

  dnf repoquery --unsatisfied
  dnf repoquery --duplicated 

  dnf repolist and try
 repolist
 Last metadata expiration check performed 2:13:06 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
 2015.
 repo idrepo name  
 status
 *fedoraFedora 22 - i386   
 37,654
 rpmfusion-free RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free   
 418
 rpmfusion-free-updates RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Free - Updates  
 18
 rpmfusion-nonfree  RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree
 161
 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates  RPM Fusion for Fedora 22 - Nonfree - Updates   
 13
 *updates   Fedora 22 - i386 - Updates  
 6,203
 
 Are the * OK?

Yes.
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:48:28 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 I run:
 dnf remove xorg-x11-drv-ati
 
 and then:
 dnf install xorg-x11-drv-ati
 Last metadata expiration check performed 2:29:58 ago on Wed Jul 29 11:16:10 
 2015.
 Error: package xorg-x11-drv-ati-7.5.0-3.fc22.i686 requires 
 xserver-abi(videodrv-19) = 0, but none of the providers can be installed
 

It is not wise to break your installation further.
If that package cannot be update automatically, removing it won't fix
anything, since removing it doesn't fix the dependency problems.
You could try:

  dnf update --best

and if that also fails, examine your installation for retired/broken
packages:

  dnf repoquery --unsatisfied
  dnf repoquery --duplicated 
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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:48:21 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:

 hello,
 
 Sorry, but the file is huge even after compression.
 It has been through the moderator!
 How can I help?

I've mentioned  http://fpaste.org  multiple times before.

From rpm -qa --last output, only the top few pages would be
interesting.

And dnf list extras output (or output from package-cleanup
replacement, see bottom of man yum2dnf) is only relevant
if your installation is fully updated. Only then it can
discover retired packages and packages missing in the repos.

 fedup --device /dev/sr0 --product=nonproduct
 yum update
 dnf update

Without paying attention to the output? ;-)

Keep trying. Remove retired packages. Run dnf update again.
Watch out for dependency problems due to your ancient installation.
Remove problematic packages. Run dnf update again. Rinse repeat.
Take a look at man yum2dnf, too.
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Re: Fedora 22 WS live i686 fails

2015-07-29 Thread g


On 07/29/15 03:34, g wrote:


 when buying a new burner, remember you want dvd-r to match dvd-r blanks

 What does it mean?

 thru out my years of playing with computers, i have read many articles on
 what lead up to the current day optical disk and drives from their first
 concept during early 70's when i built my first computer, an s100 system.

 there has been little change from original, but a whole lot of improvement.

 instead of trying to explain, i believe it would be easier to understand if
 you rely on the informative from wikipedia.org as it is too much to try to
 condense in a post.

   the drive;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc_drive

   the disk;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc

   types of disk;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Optical_storage_media

 use last link to locate info for the various disk types.

i woke up a couple hours ago and thought i would do some searching for
dvd-r and dvd+r, both drives and disks.

nothing new, dvd+r still has a different/better format than dvd-r. :-)

also did some searching on drives to find that with today's newer drives,
there is a greater availability of drives with combinations of r/w, -r/+r,
as well as 'dual layer', blu-ray and hd.

so, if you go with a new drive, note what type it is and that you can still
use disks that you have.

as for disk media, it seems that better quality disks are still from
japan.


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Dell WMI

2015-07-29 Thread jd1008

/var/log/messages has many messages like these


Jul 27 15:39:47 localhost kernel: [18095.720272] dell_wmi: Received 
unknown WMI event (0x11)
Jul 27 15:39:48 localhost kernel: [18097.73] dell_wmi: Received 
unknown WMI event (0x11)
Jul 27 15:40:38 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)
Jul 27 15:40:41 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)

Jul 28 09:28:16 localhost kernel: [   17.818200] wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 28 09:28:16 localhost kernel: [   18.128714] input: Dell WMI hotkeys 
as /devices/virtual/input/input11
Jul 27 21:13:10 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)
Jul 27 21:13:12 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)

Jul 28 09:28:10 localhost kernel: wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 28 09:28:10 localhost kernel: input: Dell WMI hotkeys as 
/devices/virtual/input/input11

Jul 28 14:33:20 localhost kernel: [   10.917483] wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 28 14:33:20 localhost kernel: [   11.184338] input: Dell WMI hotkeys 
as /devices/virtual/input/input8
Jul 28 11:34:28 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)
Jul 28 11:34:28 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)

Jul 28 14:33:15 localhost kernel: wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 28 14:33:15 localhost kernel: input: Dell WMI hotkeys as 
/devices/virtual/input/input8

Jul 28 21:04:06 localhost kernel: [   11.269317] wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 28 21:04:06 localhost kernel: [   11.382839] input: Dell WMI hotkeys 
as /devices/virtual/input/input12
Jul 28 18:39:48 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)
Jul 28 18:39:49 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)

Jul 28 21:04:02 localhost kernel: wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 28 21:04:02 localhost kernel: input: Dell WMI hotkeys as 
/devices/virtual/input/input12

Jul 29 16:30:12 localhost kernel: [   18.138436] wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 29 16:30:12 localhost kernel: [   18.354453] input: Dell WMI hotkeys 
as /devices/virtual/input/input11
Jul 28 22:15:25 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)
Jul 28 22:15:27 localhost kernel: dell_wmi: Received unknown WMI event 
(0x11)

Jul 29 16:30:08 localhost kernel: wmi: Mapper loaded
Jul 29 16:30:08 localhost kernel: input: Dell WMI hotkeys as 
/devices/virtual/input/input11


So, is fedora going to provide a good interrupt handler to deal with 
these interrupts and service them correctly

the way Dell intended them to be serviced?

I wonder how windows handles these.


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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Frederic Muller
On 07/29/2015 08:07 PM, CS DBA wrote:
 I installed Fedora 20 on a macbook air like this:
 
 1) burned the KDE live dvd,
 
 2) plugged the dvd player into the mac usb port
 
 3) held down the option button while I boot the macbook
 
 4) when it comes up with the boot options choose the Fedora DVD (it
 takes a few min before it shows up)
 
 5) boot off the DVD, then do the install to disk as normal
 
 

Sorry if my email wasn't clear enough: there is no disk to install
Fedora to. The SSD drive is simply invisible.

Fred.

 
 
 
 On 07/29/2015 06:13 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:
 On 07/29/2015 07:01 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:41:04PM +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:
 Hi!

 I have been struggling installing Fedora on a friend's MBA as the local
 SSD doesn't seem to be recognized. I found a few posts online with
 various degrees of luck, unfortunately they never mentioned with MBA is
 used and that didn't work for me.
 I'm not a Mac user, but knowing what you tried might give others some
 ideas what you could try.

 Well unfortunately there is not much thing to try as the disk is simply
 invisible. So I have tried a lot of web searches for one ;-) and also
 other distro install with even less success (screen simply didn't even
 display text, so I couldn't get very far - maybe that was a problem with
 the intel HD graphics 6000 drivers?).

 And so to directly answer your question:
 1. create USB key to boot from
 2. Boot from EFI disk
 3. Try to find the disk when ask to chose a disk to install: and here it
 only sees the USB key.

 Thank you for the follow up.. i feel so :-/

 Fred
 

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Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello,

I wish to thank Michael for his help and patience in understanding the issue.
It was a bit stressing, but finally done.

It seems to indicate that the upgrade from 20 to 22 may not be 
without risk.
My understanding is that the dependency failures which where more or less 
acceptable
with yum update, now prevent the update with dnf. The key point is
that there is not real complain or straight aware.

Thank again every body.

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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:06 PM
 From: Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com
 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
 Subject: Re: Update 20 - 22, failure

 On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 13:55:47 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote:
 
   Is it the same when you run dnf distro-sync?
  Error: package directfb-1.6.2-3.fc19.i686 requires libmng.so.1, but none of 
  the providers can be installed.
  package pdftk-1.44-11.fc19.i686 requires itext(x86-32) = 2.1.7-6, but none 
  of the providers can be installed
  
 
 I told you before that these do not exist anymore and have been
 retired _after_ Fedora 19. You *cannot* keep them if they cause dep breakage:
 
   dnf remove directfb pdftk
   dnf distro-sync
 
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-compilerpro-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-compilerpro-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-compilerpro-vars-192-13.1-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerproc-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-compilerproc-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-compilerproc-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-compilerprof-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-compilerprof-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-compilerprof-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idb-192-13.0-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idb-common-192-13.0-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-idbcdt-192-13.0-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-192-7.1-1.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-common-192-7.1-1.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-ipp-devel-192-7.1-1.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-192-11.0-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-common-192-11.0-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-mkl-devel-192-11.0-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-openmp-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-openmp-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-sourcechecker-common-192-13.1-5.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by 
  intel-sourcechecker-devel-192-13.1-5.i486
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-tbb-192-4.1-4.noarch
  nothing provides lsb = 3.0 needed by intel-tbb-devel-192-4.1-4.noarch
 
 These are not from Fedora, are they?
 You may need to deal with them, too, as long as they cause dependency
 problems.
 
 dnf repoquery --duplicated 
  
  kernel-PAE-0:3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
  kernel-PAE-0:4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
  kernel-PAE-devel-0:3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
  kernel-PAE-devel-0:4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
  kernel-PAE-devel-0:4.0.8-300.fc22.i686
  kernel-PAE-devel-0:4.1.2-200.fc22.i686
  kernel-PAE-modules-extra-0:3.19.8-100.fc20.i686
  kernel-PAE-modules-extra-0:4.0.4-301.fc22.i686
 
 Well, okay for now, cleaning up wouldn't hurt but normally three kernels are 
 kept
 automatically only anyway.
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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread Frederic Muller
On 07/29/2015 07:01 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:41:04PM +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:
 Hi!

 I have been struggling installing Fedora on a friend's MBA as the local
 SSD doesn't seem to be recognized. I found a few posts online with
 various degrees of luck, unfortunately they never mentioned with MBA is
 used and that didn't work for me.
 
 I'm not a Mac user, but knowing what you tried might give others some
 ideas what you could try.
 

Well unfortunately there is not much thing to try as the disk is simply
invisible. So I have tried a lot of web searches for one ;-) and also
other distro install with even less success (screen simply didn't even
display text, so I couldn't get very far - maybe that was a problem with
the intel HD graphics 6000 drivers?).

And so to directly answer your question:
1. create USB key to boot from
2. Boot from EFI disk
3. Try to find the disk when ask to chose a disk to install: and here it
only sees the USB key.

Thank you for the follow up.. i feel so :-/

Fred
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Re: installing Fedora 21 or 22 on a MacBook Air 7,1

2015-07-29 Thread CS DBA
I installed Fedora 20 on a macbook air like this:

1) burned the KDE live dvd,

2) plugged the dvd player into the mac usb port

3) held down the option button while I boot the macbook

4) when it comes up with the boot options choose the Fedora DVD (it
takes a few min before it shows up)

5) boot off the DVD, then do the install to disk as normal





On 07/29/2015 06:13 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:
 On 07/29/2015 07:01 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:41:04PM +0700, Frederic Muller wrote:
 Hi!

 I have been struggling installing Fedora on a friend's MBA as the local
 SSD doesn't seem to be recognized. I found a few posts online with
 various degrees of luck, unfortunately they never mentioned with MBA is
 used and that didn't work for me.
 I'm not a Mac user, but knowing what you tried might give others some
 ideas what you could try.

 Well unfortunately there is not much thing to try as the disk is simply
 invisible. So I have tried a lot of web searches for one ;-) and also
 other distro install with even less success (screen simply didn't even
 display text, so I couldn't get very far - maybe that was a problem with
 the intel HD graphics 6000 drivers?).

 And so to directly answer your question:
 1. create USB key to boot from
 2. Boot from EFI disk
 3. Try to find the disk when ask to chose a disk to install: and here it
 only sees the USB key.

 Thank you for the follow up.. i feel so :-/

 Fred

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