Re: Claws-Mail

[jarmo]

Mon, 10 Oct 2016 10:35:01 -0700
stan  kirjoitti:

> I haven't tried it yet, but you could try playing around with the sort
> order in preferences.  If that doesn't work, exit claws, and edit the
> ~/.claws-mail/clawsrc file and set next_on_delete=0 to
> next_on_delete=1.  Then start claws again and try playing with the

That did the trick. Set it 1 now works like
before.

Thanks for advice, was quite annoying read mails jumping
up and down :)

Jarmo
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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 14:38 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> There are a number of sites like that. Google "linux hardware
> compatibility". A good resource is http://www.linux-drivers.org/

The dongle is labelled "Anycom 2.0", but I don't know the chipset and a
search for "anycom" on that page gives no results.

I'd be up for getting a new dongle if I could be sure it was fully
supported, otherwise it's probably more trouble than it's worth.

poc
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Re: Filesystem for backup system

[Alex]

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 5:58 PM,   wrote:
> On 10Oct2016 15:59, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:
>>
>> On 10/10/2016 03:50 PM, Alex wrote:
>
> Where did you read that? AFAIK the default continues to be ext4.
>>>
>>> I thought I recalled it being the default during install the last time
>>> I performed one.
>>
>>
>> The Fedora Server installation defaults to XFS. Workstation defaults to
>> ext4.
>>
>> For your use case either filesystem will work. Use what you are
>> comfortable with. Both are stable, supported, and will give you full
>> performance from your setup.
>
>
> Use XFS. It is stable; never needs fsck. If ext4 needs to repair it will
> take days/weeks on a filesystem that size, and need insane amounts of RAM
> (if the NAS is hosting this, it may not have much RAM).
>
> Both will work until you need to fsck (eg power outage or other
> instant/unclean shutdown). After that, you will wish you were using XFS.

Awesome, thanks guys.
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umask setting for apache on fedora23/24

[Alex]

Hi,

I'm setting up a joomla website on fedora23. The problem I'm having is
with providing the level of write access that apache needs while also
allowing the joomla user write to the same directories.

The current umask is 0022 for each user. I'd like to change it to
0002, so both can write to the same directory.

I've set sgid on the directories, but I don't believe that to be a
very good solution, and it also doesn't set the write bit without the
umask being set.

I believe that I can add them both to the same group and set the umask
to fix the problem.

I've tried editing the systemd config files, as per these instructions:
http://serverfault.com/questions/582371/how-to-set-umask-for-php-fpm-in-fedora

then su'd to the apache user (after giving it a shell), and the umask
doesn't change. What effect does /etc/profile and /etc/bashrc have on
umask, after the systemd settings were changed?

I've temporarily disabled those umask settings in the local files, and
it doesn't appear to change.

Thanks,
Alex
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Re: Filesystem for backup system

[cs]

On 10Oct2016 15:59, Michael Cronenworth  wrote:

On 10/10/2016 03:50 PM, Alex wrote:

Where did you read that? AFAIK the default continues to be ext4.

I thought I recalled it being the default during install the last time
I performed one.


The Fedora Server installation defaults to XFS. Workstation defaults to ext4.

For your use case either filesystem will work. Use what you are 
comfortable with. Both are stable, supported, and will give you full 
performance from your setup.


Use XFS. It is stable; never needs fsck. If ext4 needs to repair it will take 
days/weeks on a filesystem that size, and need insane amounts of RAM (if the 
NAS is hosting this, it may not have much RAM).


Both will work until you need to fsck (eg power outage or other instant/unclean 
shutdown). After that, you will wish you were using XFS.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/10/2016 02:16 PM, JD wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
> > wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 12:31 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > On 10/10/2016 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
> > > > > reduce
> > > > > power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has to
> be on all
> > > > > the time).
> > > >
> > > > I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal
> workstations
> > > > anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so
> couldn't you
> > > > just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until
> your ready
> > > > to use it again?
> > >
> > > I used to do that up until about a year ago. Since then I think
> I have
> > > noticed a reduced utility bill, but of course that's not really
> > > evidence as there are other factors, including lower rates
> because of
> > > the drop in oil prices. This is an i7 system with an Nvidia card, an
> > > SSD, a 1TB SATA drive and 16TGB of RAM, so probably above
> average for
> > > home workstations in terms of power consumption. The monitor is
> a 23-
> > > inch HP LCD.
> >
> > Well, I dunno, 16 tera gigabytes of RAM (you said 16TGB) is a hell of
> > a lot! I've never seen a mobo that could handle that. :-) Must
> have the
> > cooling system from hell in there!
> >
> > >
> > > If there were an easy way to measure it I would :-)
> >
> > If you have a clamp-style AC ammeter, you can get a widget that you
> > plug into your outlet and your system plugs into the widget. The
> widget
> > splits the hot line out separately. You put your ammeter around
> that leg
> > and measure the current. You can compute your usage using Ohm's law,
> > e.g. if you measure 2A at 120V, that's 240 VA. If you want it in
> watts,
> > your average computer has a power factor of about .8, so that'd be 240
> > times .8 or 192 watts (or so).
> >
> > Just an idea.
> 
> Well, apparently the savings might not offset the price of the ammeter,
> but I suppose the advancement of knowledge always has a cost :-)
> 
> poc
> 
> 
> ​Well Patrick, I was wondering if there is a website
> that identifies cards (chipsets) NOT supported by linux.
> I see for example FBSD users not finding drivers for
> Broadcom chipsets (perhaps only specific ones).
> So, to help​
>  
> ​existing linux users and newbs, it seems
> that such a website would go a long way to let people
> know what are NOT supported,​ or partially supported
> devices. It would also helps people shopping for a new
> computer to avoid laptops that have unsupported chipsets.

There are a number of sites like that. Google "linux hardware
compatibility". A good resource is http://www.linux-drivers.org/
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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[JD]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 12:31 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > On 10/10/2016 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
> > > > > reduce
> > > > > power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has to be on
> all
> > > > > the time).
> > > >
> > > > I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal
> workstations
> > > > anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so couldn't you
> > > > just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until your
> ready
> > > > to use it again?
> > >
> > > I used to do that up until about a year ago. Since then I think I have
> > > noticed a reduced utility bill, but of course that's not really
> > > evidence as there are other factors, including lower rates because of
> > > the drop in oil prices. This is an i7 system with an Nvidia card, an
> > > SSD, a 1TB SATA drive and 16TGB of RAM, so probably above average for
> > > home workstations in terms of power consumption. The monitor is a 23-
> > > inch HP LCD.
> >
> > Well, I dunno, 16 tera gigabytes of RAM (you said 16TGB) is a hell of
> > a lot! I've never seen a mobo that could handle that. :-) Must have the
> > cooling system from hell in there!
> >
> > >
> > > If there were an easy way to measure it I would :-)
> >
> > If you have a clamp-style AC ammeter, you can get a widget that you
> > plug into your outlet and your system plugs into the widget. The widget
> > splits the hot line out separately. You put your ammeter around that leg
> > and measure the current. You can compute your usage using Ohm's law,
> > e.g. if you measure 2A at 120V, that's 240 VA. If you want it in watts,
> > your average computer has a power factor of about .8, so that'd be 240
> > times .8 or 192 watts (or so).
> >
> > Just an idea.
>
> Well, apparently the savings might not offset the price of the ammeter,
> but I suppose the advancement of knowledge always has a cost :-)
>
> poc


​Well Patrick, I was wondering if there is a website
that identifies cards (chipsets) NOT supported by linux.
I see for example FBSD users not finding drivers for
Broadcom chipsets (perhaps only specific ones).
So, to help​

​existing linux users and newbs, it seems
that such a website would go a long way to let people
know what are NOT supported,​ or partially supported
devices. It would also helps people shopping for a new
computer to avoid laptops that have unsupported chipsets.

Cheers,

JD
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Re: Filesystem for backup system

[Michael Cronenworth]

On 10/10/2016 03:50 PM, Alex wrote:

>Where did you read that? AFAIK the default continues to be ext4.

I thought I recalled it being the default during install the last time
I performed one.



The Fedora Server installation defaults to XFS. Workstation defaults to ext4.

For your use case either filesystem will work. Use what you are comfortable with. 
Both are stable, supported, and will give you full performance from your setup.

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Re: Filesystem for backup system

[Alex]

Hi,

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:25 -0400, Alex wrote:
>> I suppose I'm most familiar with ext4, although I understand xfs is
>> the default filesystem during install now.
>
> Where did you read that? AFAIK the default continues to be ext4.

I thought I recalled it being the default during install the last time
I performed one.

>> We're using a homegrown backup script that uses rsync with the
>> --link-dest option to preserve space. I'd like to move to bacula, but
>> don't have the time/resources right now.
>
> You might want to look at rsnapshot (www.rsnapshot.org), which is based
> on rsync.

Thanks, I'll check it out.
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Re: Forward and Backward Steppers missing in Thunderbird and Possibly Firefox

[Stephen Morris]

On 11/10/16 03:37, Ahmad Samir wrote:

On 9 October 2016 at 23:03, Stephen Morris  wrote:

Hi,

 I'm using Thunderbird 52.0a1 and I have an issue with the forward and
backward steppers (top and bottom arrows on scrollbars) missing. In another
thread Tom Horsley provided a gtk-3 css script that needed to be placed in
~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css. This script rectified the missing arrows issue
when I was using KDE, but now that I am trying Gnome this script does not
appear to work, what needs to be done to get the script to work under Gnome?


regards,

Steve


In ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css, replace:
.scrollbar {

with:
scrollbar {

that seems to work for me.
Thanks Ahmad, your suggestion works under both Gnome and KDE, which now 
raises the question of why does the original format of .scrollbar { only 
work under KDE and not Gnome.


regards,
Steve

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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Fred Smith]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 01:07:54PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 12:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >Well, apparently the savings might not offset the price of the ammeter,
> >but I suppose the advancement of knowledge always has a cost :-)
> 
> I remember back in the late '80s seeing a study that found that the
> cost per hour of running a desktop (386 with a CRT monitor) was
> about $.04/hr.  Adjust that for inflation and you'll get a fairly
> good first approximation of what the cost is now because while
> modern monitors use less power, today's more powerful computers use
> more, balancing things out to some extent.

I've missed the beginning of this thread, so I beg forgiveness should
this response be off-base.

To measure the power my computer uses, I use a Kill-a-Watt meter,
at last notice they were available from Amazon. The one I have was
something like 20 dollars, a few years ago. It continuously tells
me the wattage used. alternatively it can report several other measurements
as well (it isn't where I am, so I won't go out on a limb with a list
that may be wrong.)

You plug it into your outlet, then plug the computer into it. Press
the right button on the front to get the measurement you want.

It is reporting that my computer uses around 117 watts (plus or minus
a couple) when running FoldingAtHome on both a six-core AMD and the
Nvidia 750Ti GPU. without the FAH client it would probably be around
half that (I haven't done that measurement).
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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Jon LaBadie]

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 07:52:49PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> > On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > 
> > > As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
> > > reduce power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has
> > > to be on all the time).
> > 
> > I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal workstations
> > anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so couldn't you
> > just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until your ready
> > to use it again?
> 
> I used to do that up until about a year ago. Since then I think I have
> noticed a reduced utility bill, but of course that's not really
> evidence as there are other factors, including lower rates because of
> the drop in oil prices. This is an i7 system with an Nvidia card, an
> SSD, a 1TB SATA drive and 16TGB of RAM, so probably above average for
> home workstations in terms of power consumption. The monitor is a 23-
> inch HP LCD.
> 
> If there were an easy way to measure it I would :-)

I can put some numbers on the discussion.  I checked my electric bills
for the last 6 months and the rate is about 8500 Watt-Hours for $1.
As there are 8766 hours in a year, that means for me, a continuous draw
of 1 watt will cost about $1/yr.

My UPS has a front panel display that can show watts drawn.  Besides the
computer and monitor, the only thing plugged into the UPS is an ethernet
switch and a cordless phone charger.

My system is a little larger than Patrick's; a 6 core i7, overclocked to
4.0GHz, 32GB RAM, 2 SSD's plus 2 2TB rotaters, nVidia card and 24 inch
LCD monitor.  Much larger than I need, but I only buy one every 8-10 yrs.

Here is the power draw from the UPS under 3 conditions:

   Computer idling, cpu's at 1.1GHz 110 Watts
  Monitor on but blank

   Computer idling, cpu's at 1.1GHz 150 Watts
  Monitor lit

   All 6 cores plus 6 hyper-thread  280 Watts
   cores running at 99% usage at 4.0MHz
   One SSD active, no rotaters active
  Monitor lit

So for me, at my electric rate, keeping this computer on 24/7 costs
me about $100/yr.  YMMV!

Jon
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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Doug]

On 10/10/2016 03:31 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 10/10/2016 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:

On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
reduce
power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has to be on all
the time).

I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal workstations
anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so couldn't you
just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until your ready
to use it again?

I used to do that up until about a year ago. Since then I think I have
noticed a reduced utility bill, but of course that's not really
evidence as there are other factors, including lower rates because of
the drop in oil prices. This is an i7 system with an Nvidia card, an
SSD, a 1TB SATA drive and 16TGB of RAM, so probably above average for
home workstations in terms of power consumption. The monitor is a 23-
inch HP LCD.

Well, I dunno, 16 tera gigabytes of RAM (you said 16TGB) is a hell of
a lot! I've never seen a mobo that could handle that. :-) Must have the
cooling system from hell in there!


If there were an easy way to measure it I would :-)

If you have a clamp-style AC ammeter, you can get a widget that you
plug into your outlet and your system plugs into the widget. The widget
splits the hot line out separately. You put your ammeter around that leg
and measure the current. You can compute your usage using Ohm's law,
e.g. if you measure 2A at 120V, that's 240 VA. If you want it in watts,
your average computer has a power factor of about .8, so that'd be 240
times .8 or 192 watts (or so).

Just an idea.
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There are a number of devices that will do the calculations directly.
A page full of them is at
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/281148981683?lpid=82=ps_noapp=true
and there are a number of devices of similar function under the 
trade-mark Kill-A-Watt
but somewhat more expensive. No need to connect an external volt meter, 
which is

a bit dangerous.

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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/10/2016 12:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Well, apparently the savings might not offset the price of the ammeter,
but I suppose the advancement of knowledge always has a cost :-)


I remember back in the late '80s seeing a study that found that the cost 
per hour of running a desktop (386 with a CRT monitor) was about 
$.04/hr.  Adjust that for inflation and you'll get a fairly good first 
approximation of what the cost is now because while modern monitors use 
less power, today's more powerful computers use more, balancing things 
out to some extent.

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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 12:31 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 10/10/2016 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
> > > > reduce
> > > > power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has to be on all
> > > > the time).
> > > 
> > > I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal workstations
> > > anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so couldn't you
> > > just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until your ready
> > > to use it again?
> > 
> > I used to do that up until about a year ago. Since then I think I have
> > noticed a reduced utility bill, but of course that's not really
> > evidence as there are other factors, including lower rates because of
> > the drop in oil prices. This is an i7 system with an Nvidia card, an
> > SSD, a 1TB SATA drive and 16TGB of RAM, so probably above average for
> > home workstations in terms of power consumption. The monitor is a 23-
> > inch HP LCD.
> 
> Well, I dunno, 16 tera gigabytes of RAM (you said 16TGB) is a hell of
> a lot! I've never seen a mobo that could handle that. :-) Must have the
> cooling system from hell in there!
> 
> > 
> > If there were an easy way to measure it I would :-)
> 
> If you have a clamp-style AC ammeter, you can get a widget that you
> plug into your outlet and your system plugs into the widget. The widget
> splits the hot line out separately. You put your ammeter around that leg
> and measure the current. You can compute your usage using Ohm's law,
> e.g. if you measure 2A at 120V, that's 240 VA. If you want it in watts,
> your average computer has a power factor of about .8, so that'd be 240
> times .8 or 192 watts (or so).
> 
> Just an idea.

Well, apparently the savings might not offset the price of the ammeter,
but I suppose the advancement of knowledge always has a cost :-)

poc
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Re: Screen rapidly blanking on and off

[Tom Horsley]

That has all the earmarks of something having set the screen
blanker to go off with a delay of just a few seconds. I think
most video players temporarily disable the screen blanking.
Usually that setting is under some "power management" control
panel thing. You might see if you can find it and disable it.

I've also see systems that had this effect because something
screwy in the kernel was running the clock at warp speed so
it thinks a long time has passed since it blanked the
screen, but it hasn't really.
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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/10/2016 11:52 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
>> On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
>>> reduce
>>> power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has to be on all
>>> the time).
>>
>> I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal workstations
>> anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so couldn't you
>> just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until your ready
>> to use it again?
> 
> I used to do that up until about a year ago. Since then I think I have
> noticed a reduced utility bill, but of course that's not really
> evidence as there are other factors, including lower rates because of
> the drop in oil prices. This is an i7 system with an Nvidia card, an
> SSD, a 1TB SATA drive and 16TGB of RAM, so probably above average for
> home workstations in terms of power consumption. The monitor is a 23-
> inch HP LCD.

Well, I dunno, 16 tera gigabytes of RAM (you said 16TGB) is a hell of
a lot! I've never seen a mobo that could handle that. :-) Must have the
cooling system from hell in there!

> If there were an easy way to measure it I would :-)

If you have a clamp-style AC ammeter, you can get a widget that you
plug into your outlet and your system plugs into the widget. The widget
splits the hot line out separately. You put your ammeter around that leg
and measure the current. You can compute your usage using Ohm's law,
e.g. if you measure 2A at 120V, that's 240 VA. If you want it in watts,
your average computer has a power factor of about .8, so that'd be 240
times .8 or 192 watts (or so).

Just an idea.
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Re: Screen rapidly blanking on and off

[Tim Evans]

On 10/10/2016 02:59 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

I've run into a problem with my Dell Inspiron where the screen blanks
every second, unless I'm typing or moving the mouse. Spinning the
mouse around the screen will keep the screen lit, while typing will
blank between keystrokes, and I'm a fair 70 wpm typist.

This ia Fedora 23 64 bit installation, and I've seen the problem on
all three of the current kernel installs,


I regularly see something *somewhat* similar on my Lenovo T530. 
Specifically, after running for a couple of days, it begins blanking the 
screen after a reliable 15 seconds of inactivity.


At first, I thought this might be a hardware issue with the lid/on-off 
switch, since I do close the lid when I'm away from the system. 
However, I don't see this in Windows 10 on this dual-boot laptop.


Interestingly, when the screen returns from black after I touch a key, 
it often returns to a different window (e.g., I was reading mail in 
Thunderbird when it blanked, but Chrome appears when it lights back up). 
 AND, after a second or two, the screen switches back to the original 
window (e.g., t-bird). This tends to suggest something X-related.



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Re: Screen rapidly blanking on and off

[Ted Roche]

More data: if I open YouTube on a tab in Google Chromium and play a
video, it plays steadily and doesn't blank.

Opening a terminal and typing xrandr yields:

Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 32767 x 32767
eDP1 connected primary 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x
axis y axis) 345mm x 194mm
   1920x1080 60.02*+  48.03
   1400x1050 59.98
   1600x900  60.00
   1280x1024 60.02
   1280x960  60.00
   1368x768  60.00
   1280x720  60.00
   1024x768  60.00
   1024x576  60.00
   960x540   60.00
   800x600   60.3256.25
   864x486   60.00
   640x480   59.94
   720x405   60.00
   640x360   60.00
HDMI1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
VIRTUAL1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)

Issuing xrandr -r 48 and the screen is steady and not blanking.

Issuing xrandr -r 60 and we're back to the blanking.



On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Ted Roche  wrote:
> I've run into a problem with my Dell Inspiron where the screen blanks
> every second, unless I'm typing or moving the mouse. Spinning the
> mouse around the screen will keep the screen lit, while typing will
> blank between keystrokes, and I'm a fair 70 wpm typist.
>
> This ia Fedora 23 64 bit installation, and I've seen the problem on
> all three of the current kernel installs,
>
> Linux jupiter.in.tedroche.com 4.7.4-100.fc23.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 15
> 18:48:53 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>
> 4.7.4, 4.7.5, and 4.7.6.
>
> Nothing in the logs stands out and unusual.
>
> Suggestions on what I might look at to troubleshoot ths?
>
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> Ted Roche & Associates, LLC
> http://www.tedroche.com



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Screen rapidly blanking on and off

[Ted Roche]

I've run into a problem with my Dell Inspiron where the screen blanks
every second, unless I'm typing or moving the mouse. Spinning the
mouse around the screen will keep the screen lit, while typing will
blank between keystrokes, and I'm a fair 70 wpm typist.

This ia Fedora 23 64 bit installation, and I've seen the problem on
all three of the current kernel installs,

Linux jupiter.in.tedroche.com 4.7.4-100.fc23.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 15
18:48:53 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


4.7.4, 4.7.5, and 4.7.6.

Nothing in the logs stands out and unusual.

Suggestions on what I might look at to troubleshoot ths?

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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:42 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> > 
> > As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
> > reduce
> > power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has to be on all
> > the time).
> 
> I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal workstations
> anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so couldn't you
> just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until your ready
> to use it again?

I used to do that up until about a year ago. Since then I think I have
noticed a reduced utility bill, but of course that's not really
evidence as there are other factors, including lower rates because of
the drop in oil prices. This is an i7 system with an Nvidia card, an
SSD, a 1TB SATA drive and 16TGB of RAM, so probably above average for
home workstations in terms of power consumption. The monitor is a 23-
inch HP LCD.

If there were an easy way to measure it I would :-)

poc
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Re: Filesystem for backup system

[Gordon Messmer]

On 10/10/2016 09:17 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:25 -0400, Alex wrote:

>I suppose I'm most familiar with ext4, although I understand xfs is
>the default filesystem during install now.

Where did you read that? AFAIK the default continues to be ext4.



Alex is thinking of RHEL/CentOS 7, whose default is XFS.  ext4 is 
probably a better option for a filesystem with a large number of small 
files.  XFS continues to be slower for metadata operations.


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Re: Claws-Mail

[stan]

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:12:30 +0300
jarmo  wrote:

> After last update of Claws-Mail reading new mails, something is
> changed. I read first mail, after reading I move it into trash,
> cursor jumps to last unread mail. Before update worked, after moved
> trash, cursor went next unread mail.
> 
> Anyone else noticed?

Yes, on one system (rawhide, future f26).  But it isn't happening on
this system. I think this is happening because a fix was issued for a
bug that was in 3.13. It was related to the next_on_delete setting in
clawsrc.  If set to sort_descending, it would move up instead of down
in the inbox when a message was deleted.  

It's weird, because there is zero difference between the clawsrc on the
system where it works and the system where it doesn't.  The major
difference between those two systems is that one is still on X 1.18
(the one that works) and the other is on X 1.19.

I haven't tried it yet, but you could try playing around with the sort
order in preferences.  If that doesn't work, exit claws, and edit the
~/.claws-mail/clawsrc file and set next_on_delete=0 to
next_on_delete=1.  Then start claws again and try playing with the sort
options again.  If it still doesn't work, you should go to the claws
site and search their mailing list archives to see if anyone else has
reported the issue, and a workaround.  If there is no mention, you
should ask on their list or open a bugzilla at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/


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Re: Taskbar Panel in Plasma Won't Autohide

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/07/2016 12:57 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 06/10/16 09:07, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> On 10/05/2016 02:37 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/07/16 08:24, Stephen Morris wrote:
 On 23/05/16 07:25, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/23/16 04:10, Stephen Morris wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ed. Do you know what the kde list url is, I might try that to
>> see if they have
>> any indications on when it is likely to be fixed.
> That would be
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/k...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
> And I think Colin nailed it with
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362105
>
 Thanks for the responses guys, having upgraded to F24 I can confirm
 this issue has been resolved in F24.
>>> Having had the issue fixed by an upgrade to F24, after putting on all
>>> the regular updates up to the current point in time I have found that
>>> the issue has resurfaced and autohide no longer works, nor is autohide
>>> selectable from the panel options again. What I don't know is which
>>> specific updates have reintroduced the issue as I have only just noticed
>>> it.
>>> How do I identify whether this is an upstream issue or whether Fedora
>>> changes have caused the issue (I think changes to KDE Themes can cause
>>> this as well).
>>  From what I can see, this is (has) been an issue in kde-workspace in
>> versions prior to 5.6.5. Verify the versions you have installed via
>>
>> dnf list installed kde-workspace*
>>
>> If it's later than 5.6.5, then you should probably bugzilla it to
>> Fedora. Make sure you put all the pertinent data (KDE component
>> versions, themes versions, etc.) in your report. The Fedora gang will
>> see if it's something Fedora-specific. If not and it's from upstream, I
>> think they'd push it up the food chain to KDE.
> Thanks for the response Rick. I issued the command and the only response
> I got was for kde-workspace-common.noarch which listed the version as
> 1:4.11.22-16.fc24. This looks to be less than the version you listed, is
> that correct?

Sorry for not responding before. I'm in the middle of relocating our
offices and have been swamped.

I'm not a KDE user generally. I did some googling and that's what I
found. I see the same data on my system regarding the version of
kde-workspace-common RPM. I don't know if the 4.11.22-16 refers to the
version of the workspace software or just the version of the RPM itself
(weirder things have happened). The system that I have it installed on
(my laptop) is currently buried in our datacenter doing some heavy
lifting so I can't check on it.
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Re: Reverting to nouveau

[Mike Chambers]

On Fri, 2016-10-07 at 16:35 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> As I said, I'm happy enough with suspend for now. My aim was to
> reduce
> power consumption at night (this isn't a server that has to be on all
> the time).

I dont' think computers use that much power (least normal workstations
anyway) to bring up or down your utility bill much, so couldn't you
just leave it on as is and just shut off your monitor until your ready
to use it again?

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Re: Forward and Backward Steppers missing in Thunderbird and Possibly Firefox

[Ahmad Samir]

On 9 October 2016 at 23:03, Stephen Morris  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Thunderbird 52.0a1 and I have an issue with the forward and
> backward steppers (top and bottom arrows on scrollbars) missing. In another
> thread Tom Horsley provided a gtk-3 css script that needed to be placed in
> ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css. This script rectified the missing arrows issue
> when I was using KDE, but now that I am trying Gnome this script does not
> appear to work, what needs to be done to get the script to work under Gnome?
>
>
> regards,
>
> Steve
>

In ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css, replace:
.scrollbar {

with:
scrollbar {

that seems to work for me.
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Re: Filesystem for backup system

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2016-10-10 at 11:25 -0400, Alex wrote:
> I suppose I'm most familiar with ext4, although I understand xfs is
> the default filesystem during install now.

Where did you read that? AFAIK the default continues to be ext4.

> I believe most files will be maildir style email files, as well as
> maillogs, and some tar.bz2 files, so the file size ranges will be
> varied.
> 
> We're using a homegrown backup script that uses rsync with the
> --link-dest option to preserve space. I'd like to move to bacula, but
> don't have the time/resources right now.

You might want to look at rsnapshot (www.rsnapshot.org), which is based
on rsync.

poc
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Filesystem for backup system

[Alex]

Hi,

I've built an 11TB RAID5 array using fedora23 (soon to be fedora24) to
be used for backup for a bunch of mail and web servers, and thought
I'd inquire about the best filesystem to use.

I suppose I'm most familiar with ext4, although I understand xfs is
the default filesystem during install now.

I believe most files will be maildir style email files, as well as
maillogs, and some tar.bz2 files, so the file size ranges will be
varied.

We're using a homegrown backup script that uses rsync with the
--link-dest option to preserve space. I'd like to move to bacula, but
don't have the time/resources right now.

I'm concerned about recovery time for failed disks, but that's
probably a conversation for another post.

I thought the info below would be helpful - /proc/mdstat and hdparm output.

md125 : active raid5 sdh1[4] sde1[0] sdf1[1] sdg1[2]
  11720656896 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [4/4] []
  bitmap: 0/30 pages [0KB], 65536KB chunk

# hdparm -i /dev/sdh

/dev/sdh:

 Model=WDC WD4000FYYZ-01UL1B3, FwRev=01.01K04, SerialNo=WD-WMC130F0NJV0
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec SpinMotCtl Fixed DTR>5Mbs FmtGapReq }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=unknown, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=7814037168
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}

Thanks,
Alex
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Claws-Mail

[jarmo]

After last update of Claws-Mail reading new mails, something is changed.
I read first mail, after reading I move it into trash, cursor jumps to
last unread mail. Before update worked, after moved trash, cursor went
next unread mail.

Anyone else noticed?

Jarmo
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Re: long standing boot error message

[Jon LaBadie]

On Sun, Oct 09, 2016 at 11:48:11PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 10/09/2016 04:25 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> > No "product" listing, but there are vendor and product ids.
> > The device is my "internal" BlueTooth adapter made by Lite-On.
> > Based on adjacent product codes, it uses an Atheros chip.
> > Obviously using a usb interface, much as a BT-dongle would.
> > 
> > Sometime when I have the case open for dust bunny removal I'll
> > check to see if the BT adapter hooks into a MB USB header.
> > 
> Interesting, I've never seen a desktop with built-in bluetooth, although
> I've also had very little to do with any recent desktop systems.  But at
> least on laptops, the bluetooth is usually hooked into the USB bus.

I just looked on-line as a few PCI bluetooth adapters.  All that I saw
were combo WiFi/Bluetooth.  They all had either a female USB connector
on the card or a 4 pin header labeled USB.

> > Though seldom used, the BT device was functioning the few times
> > I've tried it, so I guess I'll just consider the boot message an
> > informational warning.
> > 
> Yes, I'm pretty sure it's just informational, nothing critical. Although
> given that the product information was missing, that might be the descriptor
> it was trying to read.

There was an entry in /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.5 called descriptors.
Trying to pair that with the reference Fred pointed me to makes me
think the descriptors don't match the standard.  The first data
field seems an invalid size and value.  Maybe that is why the
message is being printed.

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Re: Problem getting large files from a GoPro

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/09/2016 10:35 PM, Mark wrote:

Pity that Files (the Gnome application) can't copy large files and that
it doesn't give the user information about the mount point.


You didn't explain what happened.  Maybe file a bug?
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Re: long standing boot error message

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/09/2016 04:25 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:

No "product" listing, but there are vendor and product ids.
The device is my "internal" BlueTooth adapter made by Lite-On.
Based on adjacent product codes, it uses an Atheros chip.
Obviously using a usb interface, much as a BT-dongle would.

Sometime when I have the case open for dust bunny removal I'll
check to see if the BT adapter hooks into a MB USB header.

Interesting, I've never seen a desktop with built-in bluetooth, although 
I've also had very little to do with any recent desktop systems.  But at 
least on laptops, the bluetooth is usually hooked into the USB bus.



Though seldom used, the BT device was functioning the few times
I've tried it, so I guess I'll just consider the boot message an
informational warning.

Yes, I'm pretty sure it's just informational, nothing critical. 
Although given that the product information was missing, that might be 
the descriptor it was trying to read.

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