Re: Where is the magic SysReq key?

[Slade Watkins via users]

On 4/3/2023 9:14 PM, Tim via users wrote:


I really wish more keyboards had some extra user keys down the left.
For one thing it'd balance the layout of the keyboards with QWERTY off-
centre because the cursor and numpad (which I do want).  And have some
way for you to type something directly that otherwise has peculiar key
combinations.  While function keys could do that, they're usually
already predefined, and not always easy to redefine.
  


Yeah, that and having easy access to keyboard macros is super nice. 
Sucks that they're really hard to find nowadays. :(


Slade
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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> Icons, icons, icons!  I can't find a damn thing by icons.

Tom Horsley:
> Yes! A stop sign and an envelope are pretty much it for icons that
> make some sense, after those two it is all guesswork (and I wonder how
> the envelope will age with no one sending physical letters
> any longer :-).

On Evolution emailer, the first few menu bar buttons have icons & text:

New (message/folder/etc), send/receive, reply, group-reply, forward

They're as clear as day what they're for, and big enough to click on
them easily.

The next few are tiny icons only, and only by hovering over them and
waiting (an annoying delay), do you find out that the thing that looks
like a paper shredder is print, the next one that looks like a volume
knob is a wastepaper bin, the next one that looks like an iceberg is
junk mail, the next one that looks like an iceberg with a red x is not-
junk mail, there's a set of drawers which I just found out is to
archive a mail (a function I've never used, and never will, though just
tried it now and I have no idea where the message went), there's some
back and forth arrows that I don't know if they mean next message in
the thread or list (I never use them), and a stop sign (which ain't
that great at aborting something that's going haywire).

You end up using just a few of them, and it tends to always be clicking
second icon along, rather than clicking on icon with certain picture on
it (because the pictures aren't intuitive).

And one or two hotkeys, because they're the only ones that stick in
your mind.

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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Joe Zeff]

On 04/03/2023 07:09 PM, Tim via users wrote:

You don't have to use it, I don't.  I don't like it for various
reasons.


And let's not forget that it's bloatware, taking up far too much RAM, 
and that the only apparent way to get control of it is by using a number 
of third-party extensions that the devs understandably refuse to worry 
about when updating the DE.

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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Samuel Sieb]

On 4/3/23 18:09, Tim via users wrote:

Too CPU intensive (I don't have a fancy graphics card).


I would be very surprised if your graphics device didn't have enough 
acceleration to run Gnome at a completely reasonable level.  What CPU 
usage do you think is involved?



The removal of an organised menu to a disorganised array of several
screens of icons.  Trying to add a menu gave me a hideous alternative
to the simple structured menu Gnome used to have (and Mate still does).
FFS, why do modern GUI systems think that opening a menu should occupy
3/4 of the damn screen, filled with disorganised and continually
changing contents, and having to drill down through bogus crap instead
of just about one sub-menu and just rolling the mouse in and around?!


I find menus annoyingly slow.  I love how I can press one key and just 
start typing to get the application I want.  No mouse involved at all.



Icons, icons, icons!  I can't find a damn thing by icons.  The pictures
are a very poor clue.  I might remember one or two of highly regular
use, but most mean nothing to me, and if they're in a different place
than last time, I have to go hunting for it.


Not sure what you're referring to here.


My Android phone and tablet, which these kinds of interfaces are meant
for, are a pain to use when you have lots of applications.  I watch
friends scroll through multiple screenfulls trying to find what they're
after.  Mine's organised, one screen with categorised folders in it,
and appropriate programs inside that.


There are some different interfaces for Android phones.  But at some 
point, there has to be a full list of applications so you can find them. 
 But there's also usually a search field and once you find it, you can 
put it on your home screen to find it easier later.



I actually like taskbars.  I can put status info I want to keep an eye
on in them, I can remove crap that I don't care about.  They're thin,
and on the edges of the screen.  I can easily switch between the half
dozen apps I've got running simultaneously.  Whacking great big squares
of apps on the desktop are next to useless (they're behind other
things).


I have too many windows for a taskbar to be useful.  ALT-TAB and ALT-` 
work great.  Also multiple desktops, so I can put certain applications 
on particular desktops making them easy to access.



I really do get sick of the re-inventing of the wheel in computing.
Convenient things get taken away, and what was instantly doable becomes
a six-step illogical procedure.


I'm mostly happy with the path that Gnome has taken and it does keep 
improving in general.

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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Tom Horsley]

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 10:39:25 +0930
Tim via users wrote:

> Icons, icons, icons!  I can't find a damn thing by icons.

Yes! A stop sign and an envelope are pretty much it for icons that
make some sense, after those two it is all guesswork (and I wonder how
the envelope will age with no one sending physical letters
any longer :-).

Personally, I use the FVWM window manager and my own custom .fvwmrc
file which doesn't completely change my interface every six months.
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Re: what is my dns?

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2023-04-03 at 20:26 +0200, Petr Menšík wrote:
> dnsmasq allows you to query servers using dig @localhost ch txt 
> servers.bind. But no other server implements it.

Huh, what?  "dig" comes from bind-utils, utilities for the BIND server.

There's also "rndc" to twiddle with BIND from the command line.


> Servers like bind, unbound or knot-resolver do not require forwarders
> to work.  It may work just fine even without them.


They *should* always work fine without them, unless you have a peculiar
ISP which interferes with normal DNS functionality.  But the original
poster used them on purpose, to indirectly use the internet with
external censorship filtering.

 
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Re: Where is the magic SysReq key?

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2023-04-03 at 19:59 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> Here's a picture of a keyboard that seems to be very similar to the
> one I'm using. Please note the top row keys, and the bottom row 
> key:
> 
> https://videogamesuncovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Alienware-17-R4-keyboard-and-trackpad.jpg

Macro keys down the left?

I really wish more keyboards had some extra user keys down the left. 
For one thing it'd balance the layout of the keyboards with QWERTY off-
centre because the cursor and numpad (which I do want).  And have some
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combinations.  While function keys could do that, they're usually
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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> Much of that is adjustable.  It used to be, and may still be, in
>> Gnome.  It definitely is with other desktops.

Ranbir:
> I don't see where in GNOME I can adjust the font size. Do I need to use
> gsettings or something?

Some time ago Gnome minimised customisation options, and various things
could only be adjusted by installing a gnome tweaks program.  Perhaps
try that.


>> I wonder if you've accidentally used some form of screen scaling, or
>> aren't running in your screen resolution.

> I already checked that under Display: Scale is set to 100% and the
> resolution matches my monitor's native resolution.

Can you scale it the other way?


> It's GNOME itself that's off. It's just big! It's tidy, but fat.

You don't have to use it, I don't.  I don't like it for various
reasons.

Too CPU intensive (I don't have a fancy graphics card).

The removal of an organised menu to a disorganised array of several
screens of icons.  Trying to add a menu gave me a hideous alternative
to the simple structured menu Gnome used to have (and Mate still does).
FFS, why do modern GUI systems think that opening a menu should occupy
3/4 of the damn screen, filled with disorganised and continually
changing contents, and having to drill down through bogus crap instead
of just about one sub-menu and just rolling the mouse in and around?!

The desktop is not a touchscreen, stop trying to use a touchscreen
style interface on all computers.

Icons, icons, icons!  I can't find a damn thing by icons.  The pictures
are a very poor clue.  I might remember one or two of highly regular
use, but most mean nothing to me, and if they're in a different place
than last time, I have to go hunting for it.

My Android phone and tablet, which these kinds of interfaces are meant
for, are a pain to use when you have lots of applications.  I watch
friends scroll through multiple screenfulls trying to find what they're
after.  Mine's organised, one screen with categorised folders in it,
and appropriate programs inside that.

Far too much effort is spent on making a desktop look like a work of
art at the expensive of it being a computer that you use.  I don't even
see the desktop, it's covered by the stuff I'm actually doing.

I actually like taskbars.  I can put status info I want to keep an eye
on in them, I can remove crap that I don't care about.  They're thin,
and on the edges of the screen.  I can easily switch between the half
dozen apps I've got running simultaneously.  Whacking great big squares
of apps on the desktop are next to useless (they're behind other
things).

I really do get sick of the re-inventing of the wheel in computing. 
Convenient things get taken away, and what was instantly doable becomes
a six-step illogical procedure.

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Re: update-linux command automates Fedora updates

[Mario Marietto]

Sometimes I feel creative and I want to create something new. Little
projects,because I'm not experienced. Why not ? This is a method to learn
just as the using of an existing tool. WIth a difference. That if I create
something new I feel better than if I use a tool that already exists.
Vagrant or ansible are complicated tools. Maybe I will learn them
"tomorrow". Now I want to develop something that makes me feel "alive".

On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 11:47 PM Jonathan Billings 
wrote:

> On Apr 3, 2023, at 17:26, Mario Marietto  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > ---> I'm not sure how you run your linux systems matters for an update
> automation tool. Not sure how an update tool helps with the backup and
> disaster recovery.
> >
> > because my idea is to improve your script to adapt it to work on Debian
> and Arch,too,so that,every time you issue the commands expected by your
> script,they will work for every VM you want. In this way we will have the
> same information stored in 3 different operating systems. One or two of
> them crash ? The remaining VM is good and your data will be safe.
>
> If you want a generic tool for remotely updating and configuring systems
> that is cross-distro compatible, I suggest using Ansible rather than
> reinventing the wheel.
>
> Also, check out Vagrant to automate building VMs, although Ansible is also
> getting pretty good at that.
>
> The original post has some neat ideas but a lot of it can (and has) been
> done with Ansible. I use it to build VMs with luks and automate Clevis/Tang
> for automatic decryption, along side other more mundane configurations.
>
>
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Re: update-linux command automates Fedora updates

[Jonathan Billings]

On Apr 3, 2023, at 17:26, Mario Marietto  wrote:
> 
> 
> ---> I'm not sure how you run your linux systems matters for an update 
> automation tool. Not sure how an update tool helps with the backup and 
> disaster recovery.
> 
> because my idea is to improve your script to adapt it to work on Debian and 
> Arch,too,so that,every time you issue the commands expected by your 
> script,they will work for every VM you want. In this way we will have the 
> same information stored in 3 different operating systems. One or two of them 
> crash ? The remaining VM is good and your data will be safe.

If you want a generic tool for remotely updating and configuring systems that 
is cross-distro compatible, I suggest using Ansible rather than reinventing the 
wheel.

Also, check out Vagrant to automate building VMs, although Ansible is also 
getting pretty good at that.

The original post has some neat ideas but a lot of it can (and has) been done 
with Ansible. I use it to build VMs with luks and automate Clevis/Tang for 
automatic decryption, along side other more mundane configurations.


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Re: update-linux command automates Fedora updates

[Mario Marietto]

---> I'm not sure how you run your linux systems matters for an update
automation tool. Not sure how an update tool helps with the backup and
disaster recovery.

because my idea is to improve your script to adapt it to work on Debian and
Arch,too,so that,every time you issue the commands expected by your
script,they will work for every VM you want. In this way we will have the
same information stored in 3 different operating systems. One or two of
them crash ? The remaining VM is good and your data will be safe.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 9:36 PM Barry Scott  wrote:

>
>
> On 3 Apr 2023, at 17:03, Mario Marietto  wrote:
>
> Hello Barry and Fedora community.
>
> I would like to integrate Debian,Fedora,Arch or maybe some other distro
> into one single,homogeneous and flexible operating (OS) context.
>
> I would like to use Debian 11 as the host OS and the rest of the OSes (
> Fedora,Arch) will be virtualized within different virtual machines
> (I don't want to use containers,I know that they are a better choice,but I
> want to understand if a virtual machine is good anyway when it is very well
> configured). The idea is also to use qemu + kvm with the nographic and no
> vga options enabled,without virt-manager or boxes.
>
>
> I'm not sure how you run your linux systems matters for an update
> automation tool.
>
>
> I don't want to open and close the virtual machine graphical interface
> every time I want to run an application. I find it much more comfortable if
> I can run every application and command within one only terminal by
> premising,for example,a letter indicating to which distribution the command
> or application belongs to. Or I could tell xpra to open the fedora or the
> arch linux terminal. For sure it will be much faster to configure,but it
> has less scenic effect.
>
> I don't take in consideration the apps that can be installed through
> flatpaks,snap or app images,because I don't like to use these systems.
>
> I'm a traditional user of linux,I have used it since the 90's. I prefer to
> use the traditional packaging systems used by debian,fedora,arch.
> I've read that in some cases the snap system in Ubuntu contains obscure
> parts of code. And I've checked by myself how much can those systems
> complicate the management of the OS if they get jammed or if one does not
> want them because he/she/ wants to streamline the system.
>
> So,I really like the idea to use apt/apt-get, dnf/yum, pacman and yay all
> together from one only shell, just like you'd use them on their native
> distributions. I may want to install or remove an application on one of
> those OSes because it does not work anymore and you have no time to fix it.
>
> You know that sometimes it takes time to fix the broken part,time that you
> don't have. Luckily it still works for the remaining one or two OSes. I may
> like to use some specific distro just because I like,without particular
> reason,for some time. Maybe there are also different technical reasons why
> I want to have that fusion,tied to the libraries used. Some libraries could
> improve the stability and the speed of the systems,some others could do it
> less. It seems that some good distros are coming out these days,following
> the same idea : a couple of them are : blendOS,BedRock.
>
> Now,I'm on Debian 11 (where I'm using the default qemu version 5.2) and
> I'm trying to boot Fedora 37 using the following qemu commands :
>
> /usr/bin/./qemu-system-x86_64
> -enable-kvm
> -m 8G
> -machine q35,accel=kvm
> -smp 8,cores=4
> -cpu host,kvm=off
> -smp 2,sockets=1,cores=2,threads=1
> -drive
> if=pflash,format=raw,readonly=on,file=/usr/share/OVMF/OVMF_CODE_4M.fd
> -device ich9-intel-hda
> -device hda-output
> -usb -device usb-kbd
> -device usb-mouse
> -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=net0
> -netdev tap,id=net0,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no,vhost=on
> -device ich9-ahci,id=sata
> -drive
> id=SystemDisk,if=none,snapshot=off,cache=none,media=disk,format=raw,file=/dev/sdd
> -device ide-hd,bus=sata.4,drive=SystemDisk
> -device bochs-display
> -device
> pcie-root-port,bus=pcie.0,multifunction=on,port=1,chassis=1,id=port.1 \
>
> At this point your script comes into play. The idea is to use your
> update-linux script to update automatically the Fedora VM that's running
> under the hood. This seems to be the missing piece for my project. But
> it's not the only missing piece. My idea is to keep synchronized all the
> VMs that are running silently,so the project still needs two pieces of code
> : your script should do the same for the arch and the Ubuntu VMs. The idea
> behind is to have a sort of immediate backup if one of the VM gets
> corrupted. But this backup is represented by the remaining and still
> working VMs that's still running in memory.
>
>
> Not sure how an update tool help with the backup and disaster recover.
>
>
> Do you like the idea ? I'm not a coder,so I'm not able to replicate your
> script to make it work for Ubuntu and arch.  You can,if you like the
> project 

Re: update-linux command automates Fedora updates

[Barry Scott]

> On 3 Apr 2023, at 17:03, Mario Marietto  wrote:
> 
> Hello Barry and Fedora community.
> 
> I would like to integrate Debian,Fedora,Arch or maybe some other distro into 
> one single,homogeneous and flexible operating (OS) context.
>  
> I would like to use Debian 11 as the host OS and the rest of the OSes 
> (Fedora,Arch) will be virtualized within different virtual machines
> (I don't want to use containers,I know that they are a better choice,but I 
> want to understand if a virtual machine is good anyway when it is very well 
> configured). The idea is also to use qemu + kvm with the nographic and no vga 
> options enabled,without virt-manager or boxes.

I'm not sure how you run your linux systems matters for an update automation 
tool.

> 
> I don't want to open and close the virtual machine graphical interface every 
> time I want to run an application. I find it much more comfortable if I can 
> run every application and command within one only terminal by premising,for 
> example,a letter indicating to which distribution the command or application 
> belongs to. Or I could tell xpra to open the fedora or the arch linux 
> terminal. For sure it will be much faster to configure,but it has less scenic 
> effect.
> 
> I don't take in consideration the apps that can be installed through 
> flatpaks,snap or app images,because I don't like to use these systems.
>  
> I'm a traditional user of linux,I have used it since the 90's. I prefer to 
> use the traditional packaging systems used by debian,fedora,arch. 
> I've read that in some cases the snap system in Ubuntu contains obscure parts 
> of code. And I've checked by myself how much can those systems complicate the 
> management of the OS if they get jammed or if one does not want them because 
> he/she/ wants to streamline the system. 
> 
> So,I really like the idea to use apt/apt-get, dnf/yum, pacman and yay all 
> together from one only shell, just like you'd use them on their native 
> distributions. I may want to install or remove an application on one of those 
> OSes because it does not work anymore and you have no time to fix it. 
> 
> You know that sometimes it takes time to fix the broken part,time that you 
> don't have. Luckily it still works for the remaining one or two OSes. I may 
> like to use some specific distro just because I like,without particular 
> reason,for some time. Maybe there are also different technical reasons why I 
> want to have that fusion,tied to the libraries used. Some libraries could 
> improve the stability and the speed of the systems,some others could do it 
> less. It seems that some good distros are coming out these days,following the 
> same idea : a couple of them are : blendOS,BedRock.
> 
> Now,I'm on Debian 11 (where I'm using the default qemu version 5.2) and I'm 
> trying to boot Fedora 37 using the following qemu commands :
> 
> /usr/bin/./qemu-system-x86_64
> -enable-kvm
> -m 8G
> -machine q35,accel=kvm
> -smp 8,cores=4
> -cpu host,kvm=off
> -smp 2,sockets=1,cores=2,threads=1
> -drive if=pflash,format=raw,readonly=on,file=/usr/share/OVMF/OVMF_CODE_4M.fd
> -device ich9-intel-hda
> -device hda-output
> -usb -device usb-kbd
> -device usb-mouse
> -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=net0
> -netdev tap,id=net0,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no,vhost=on
> -device ich9-ahci,id=sata
> -drive 
> id=SystemDisk,if=none,snapshot=off,cache=none,media=disk,format=raw,file=/dev/sdd
> -device ide-hd,bus=sata.4,drive=SystemDisk
> -device bochs-display
> -device pcie-root-port,bus=pcie.0,multifunction=on,port=1,chassis=1,id=port.1 
> \
> 
> At this point your script comes into play. The idea is to use your 
> update-linux script to update automatically the Fedora VM that's running 
> under the hood. This seems to be the missing piece for my project. But it's 
> not the only missing piece. My idea is to keep synchronized all the VMs that 
> are running silently,so the project still needs two pieces of code : your 
> script should do the same for the arch and the Ubuntu VMs. The idea behind is 
> to have a sort of immediate backup if one of the VM gets corrupted. But this 
> backup is represented by the remaining and still working VMs that's still 
> running in memory.  

Not sure how an update tool help with the backup and disaster recover.

> 
> Do you like the idea ? I'm not a coder,so I'm not able to replicate your 
> script to make it work for Ubuntu and arch.  You can,if you like the project 
> and you want to collaborate with me. Let me know,thanks. 


I am open to have coding contributed to support other packaging systems.
I have debian and ubuntu systems that I will likely add support for at some 
point.

My setup has Fedora on most of my systems a router, server for files and mail, 
music player, desktop and VMs.
I do have debian and unbuntu VMs for development work.

Barry


> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:51 PM Barry Scott  > wrote:
>> I have released a tool that I have been 

Re: what is my dns?

[Petr Menšík]

dnsmasq allows you to query servers using dig @localhost ch txt 
servers.bind. But no other server implements it. There is no common way 
to query forwarders from any cache. unbound-control list_forwards would 
list forwarders defined in unbound. bind has no runtime tool to show 
that, just read /etc/named.conf or named-checkconf -p output. Servers 
like bind, unbound or knot-resolver do not require forwarders to work. 
It may work just fine even without them.


The most universal way to obtain systemd dns servers is nmcli without 
parameters. It would just show what NM provides. If dnsmasq or 
systemd-resolved is used, it will say what were provided by the network. 
Whether and what local cache is using, it is cache-specific.


On 3/27/23 02:27, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 3/26/23 15:07, Barry wrote:



On 26 Mar 2023, at 22:57, ToddAndMargo via users 
 wrote:


Hi All,

Fedora 37

I have a caching server running.  Other than digging
out my "forward" from /etc/named.conf to figure out
what my DNS server is, is there a way to use "dig"
or other to figure out what my actual DNS server is?


No as that information is not sent to the dns client.

You have to look at the config in each layer of software your request 
traverses.



Barry




Rats!  Thank you for the quick response!
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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Ranbir]

On Mon, 2023-04-03 at 00:05 -0400, Edward G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>   
> I had a friend who also thought this, I had recommended she try
> Fedora in one of its other iterations?(KDEXFCECInnamon)
> to see if something else might not be more to her liking...she ended
> up with KDE...and while its not Gnome?...it IS "Fedora" which matters
> the most!! Just a suggestion...

Many moons agao, I started off with KDE. But, at some point I switched
to GNOME because it looked cleaner (i.e. not so busy). I haven't used
KDE in a very long time.

I used Enlightenment for a while, but that too was a long time ago. Of
the three, I found it to be the thinnest and not huge, especially
compared to GNOME.

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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Ranbir]

On Mon, 2023-04-03 at 14:29 +0930, Tim via users wrote:
> Much of that is adjustable.  It used to be, and may still be, in
> Gnome.
> It definitely is with other desktops.
> 

I don't see where in GNOME I can adjust the font size. Do I need to use
gsettings or something?

> I wonder if you've accidentally used some form of screen scaling, or
> aren't running in your screen resolution.

I already checked that under Display: Scale is set to 100% and the
resolution matches my monitor's native resolution.

It's GNOME itself that's off. It's just big! It's tidy, but fat.


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Re: Where is the magic SysReq key?

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

On Mon, Apr 03, 2023 at 07:41:32AM -0700, stan via users wrote:

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 20:19:00 +0200
Wolfgang Pfeiffer  wrote:



I have to press + to see the  message in xev:

KeyRelease event, serial 38, synthetic NO, window 0x221,
 root 0x428, subw 0x0, time 3390028490, (76,93), root:(947,533),
 state 0x0, keycode 107 (keysym 0xff61, Print), same_screen YES,
 XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
 XFilterEvent returns: False


I tried this in xev, and with any of the modifier keys and their
combinations, the data for the modifier(s) shows, but print screen
doesn't even register as being pressed. Maybe it has to do with the
keyboard?  A mystery, but not urgent enough for me to spend more time
on, since I have a solution.


I'd guess yes - it might have to do with the keyboard hardware whether
something works, or not ..

Maybe check the "User's guide", "Quick Start Guide" or whatever it is
called, that might have been shipped with the computer - mine was a
brochure, just 6 pages long, and it informs the user e.g. about the
"functions keys" at the top row of the keyboard, and that they should
be pressed together with the "Fn" key to activate, or change, sound,
wifi or whatever ...

Here's a picture of a keyboard that seems to be very similar to the
one I'm using. Please note the top row keys, and the bottom row 
key:

https://videogamesuncovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Alienware-17-R4-keyboard-and-trackpad.jpg

Wolfgang
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Re: update-linux command automates Fedora updates

[Mario Marietto]

Hello Barry and Fedora community.

I would like to integrate Debian,Fedora,Arch or maybe some other distro
into one single,homogeneous and flexible operating (OS) context.

I would like to use Debian 11 as the host OS and the rest of the OSes (
Fedora,Arch) will be virtualized within different virtual machines
(I don't want to use containers,I know that they are a better choice,but I
want to understand if a virtual machine is good anyway when it is very well
configured). The idea is also to use qemu + kvm with the nographic and no
vga options enabled,without virt-manager or boxes.

I don't want to open and close the virtual machine graphical interface
every time I want to run an application. I find it much more comfortable if
I can run every application and command within one only terminal by
premising,for example,a letter indicating to which distribution the command
or application belongs to. Or I could tell xpra to open the fedora or the
arch linux terminal. For sure it will be much faster to configure,but it
has less scenic effect.

I don't take in consideration the apps that can be installed through
flatpaks,snap or app images,because I don't like to use these systems.

I'm a traditional user of linux,I have used it since the 90's. I prefer to
use the traditional packaging systems used by debian,fedora,arch.
I've read that in some cases the snap system in Ubuntu contains obscure
parts of code. And I've checked by myself how much can those systems
complicate the management of the OS if they get jammed or if one does not
want them because he/she/ wants to streamline the system.

So,I really like the idea to use apt/apt-get, dnf/yum, pacman and yay all
together from one only shell, just like you'd use them on their native
distributions. I may want to install or remove an application on one of
those OSes because it does not work anymore and you have no time to fix it.

You know that sometimes it takes time to fix the broken part,time that you
don't have. Luckily it still works for the remaining one or two OSes. I may
like to use some specific distro just because I like,without particular
reason,for some time. Maybe there are also different technical reasons why
I want to have that fusion,tied to the libraries used. Some libraries could
improve the stability and the speed of the systems,some others could do it
less. It seems that some good distros are coming out these days,following
the same idea : a couple of them are : blendOS,BedRock.

Now,I'm on Debian 11 (where I'm using the default qemu version 5.2) and I'm
trying to boot Fedora 37 using the following qemu commands :

/usr/bin/./qemu-system-x86_64
-enable-kvm
-m 8G
-machine q35,accel=kvm
-smp 8,cores=4
-cpu host,kvm=off
-smp 2,sockets=1,cores=2,threads=1
-drive if=pflash,format=raw,readonly=on,file=/usr/share/OVMF/OVMF_CODE_4M.fd
-device ich9-intel-hda
-device hda-output
-usb -device usb-kbd
-device usb-mouse
-device virtio-net-pci,netdev=net0
-netdev tap,id=net0,ifname=tap0,script=no,downscript=no,vhost=on
-device ich9-ahci,id=sata
-drive
id=SystemDisk,if=none,snapshot=off,cache=none,media=disk,format=raw,file=/dev/sdd
-device ide-hd,bus=sata.4,drive=SystemDisk
-device bochs-display
-device
pcie-root-port,bus=pcie.0,multifunction=on,port=1,chassis=1,id=port.1 \

At this point your script comes into play. The idea is to use your
update-linux script to update automatically the Fedora VM that's running
under the hood. This seems to be the missing piece for my project. But it's
not the only missing piece. My idea is to keep synchronized all the VMs
that are running silently,so the project still needs two pieces of code :
your script should do the same for the arch and the Ubuntu VMs. The idea
behind is to have a sort of immediate backup if one of the VM gets
corrupted. But this backup is represented by the remaining and still
working VMs that's still running in memory.

Do you like the idea ? I'm not a coder,so I'm not able to replicate your
script to make it work for Ubuntu and arch.  You can,if you like the
project and you want to collaborate with me. Let me know,thanks.


On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:51 PM Barry Scott  wrote:

> I have released a tool that I have been using for a number of years to
> maintain my Fedora systems.
>
>  https://pypi.org/project/update-linux/2.0.0/
>
> This tool allows you to update all your Fedora systems easily:
>
>  $ update-linux host1 host2
>
> Or check if there are updates available:
>
>  $ update-linux --check host4 host5
>
> It also handles system upgrades:
>
>  $ update-linux --system-upgrade=37 host3
>
> It can be configured with named groups of hosts to avoid the need to
> type long lists of host names.
>
> Barry
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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Mike Wright]

On 4/2/23 21:00, Ranbir wrote:

On Fri, 2023-03-31 at 17:32 -0400, Roger Wells wrote:

What part do you think is so big?  I find it's quite minimal.


I think so as well. Interested to learn the concern


I have a dual boot system with Windows 10 and Fedora 37. I don't boot
into Windows nearly as much as I do Fedora. But, when I do, I'm always
struck by how much more I seem to be able to fit on my 3440x1440
display in Windows than I can in GNOME.

In GNOME, the font used is bigger, the window borders are thicker,
buttons are bigger and there just seems to be more padding around
everything. I don't understand why windows in GNOME have such a thick
top bar. The Windows GUI in comparison is tighter and more compact
(overall).

It's obviously a stylistic choice that GNOME has made. I just find it
bulky and almost cartoonish. It's a clean look, for sure, but huge.

Did any of that help in understanding what I meant?


I use xfce so I'm not sure if this applies to gnome.

Under WindowManager -> Styles there are options that affect windows and 
borders.  Any that have hdpi in their titles make things large, xhdpi 
makes them HUGE.  There's one, Greybird, that eliminates borders (great 
on a browser) and lowers the profile on the top.  On a 1920x1080 it 
freed ~1/2 inch or so in the height of a full height window. 
Greybird-dark is really nice if you're one of those people who don't 
enjoy the tanning booth effect of some themes.  It also reduces the 
font-size on some things (I had to increase font-size to reply to this 
email using Thunderbird).

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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[stan via users]

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 00:00:19 -0400
Ranbir  wrote:

> In GNOME, the font used is bigger, the window borders are thicker,
> buttons are bigger and there just seems to be more padding around
> everything. I don't understand why windows in GNOME have such a thick
> top bar. The Windows GUI in comparison is tighter and more compact
> (overall).
> 
> It's obviously a stylistic choice that GNOME has made. I just find it
> bulky and almost cartoonish. It's a clean look, for sure, but huge.
> 
> Did any of that help in understanding what I meant?

Makes sense.  I don't use Gnome because I like the minimal desktop
experience, and I am not a power user.  I have been using LXDE, even
though it is officially deprecated.  I recently gave LXQT a try, and it
seems to have a conflict with LXDE (probably the window manager, since
LXDE is GTK and LXQT is qt), because after I tuned it, I couldn't
restart LXDE with my main user. I decided to just keep using LXQT as my
main desktop.  I still use LXDE for other logins / users.  My point
here is that every desktop requires tuning to make it optimal for a
user, and they have the tools to do so. In LXQT they are mostly
accessed through preferences -> Appearance (I remember since I used
them recently :-) )

I would be very surprised if Gnome doesn't have ways to tune the look
and feel of their desktop if both LXDE and LXQT, minimal desktops, do.
And I think the same would apply to XFCE, Cinnamon, Mate, and KDE. 
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Re: Where is the magic SysReq key?

[stan via users]

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 20:19:00 +0200
Wolfgang Pfeiffer  wrote:
 
> Pressing the  key alone yields this in the xev log
> messages:
> 
> KeyRelease event, serial 35, synthetic NO, window 0x221,
>  root 0x428, subw 0x222, time 3388184737, (48,51),
> root:(919,491), state 0x0, keycode 110 (keysym 0xff50, Home),
> same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
>  XFilterEvent returns: False
> 
> 
> I have to press + to see the  message in xev:
> 
> KeyRelease event, serial 38, synthetic NO, window 0x221,
>  root 0x428, subw 0x0, time 3390028490, (76,93), root:(947,533),
>  state 0x0, keycode 107 (keysym 0xff61, Print), same_screen YES,
>  XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
>  XFilterEvent returns: False

I tried this in xev, and with any of the modifier keys and their
combinations, the data for the modifier(s) shows, but print screen
doesn't even register as being pressed. Maybe it has to do with the
keyboard?  A mystery, but not urgent enough for me to spend more time
on, since I have a solution.
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Re: GNOME interface is too bulky

[Roger Heflin]

What Tim says.

Check to make sure your resolution is right and check to make sure the
screen scaling is right.  I have had both not always work as expected
on my 4k monitor.  It almost seems as if the assumption is that 4k is
running on a small screen(17" laptop maybe) so scaling needs to be
200% to see it by default.

On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 11:59 PM Tim via users
 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2023-04-03 at 00:00 -0400, Ranbir wrote:
> > I have a dual boot system with Windows 10 and Fedora 37. I don't boot
> > into Windows nearly as much as I do Fedora. But, when I do, I'm always
> > struck by how much more I seem to be able to fit on my 3440x1440
> > display in Windows than I can in GNOME.
> >
> > In GNOME, the font used is bigger, the window borders are thicker,
> > buttons are bigger and there just seems to be more padding around
> > everything. I don't understand why windows in GNOME have such a thick
> > top bar. The Windows GUI in comparison is tighter and more compact
> > (overall).
>
> Much of that is adjustable.  It used to be, and may still be, in Gnome.
> It definitely is with other desktops.
>
> I use Mate, which looks more like the old Gnome, before they pretended
> a desktop was a tablet (which is when I abandoned Gnome), and it's
> configurable in it.
>
> I wonder if you've accidentally used some form of screen scaling, or
> aren't running in your screen resolution.
>
> --
>
> uname -rsvp
> Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64
>
> Boilerplate:  All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
> I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.
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update-linux command automates Fedora updates

[Barry Scott]

I have released a tool that I have been using for a number of years to 
maintain my Fedora systems.


    https://pypi.org/project/update-linux/2.0.0/

This tool allows you to update all your Fedora systems easily:

    $ update-linux host1 host2

Or check if there are updates available:

    $ update-linux --check host4 host5

It also handles system upgrades:

    $ update-linux --system-upgrade=37 host3

It can be configured with named groups of hosts to avoid the need to 
type long lists of host names.


Barry

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Re: Sending messages to all users

[Robert Nichols]

On 4/3/23 05:24, José María Terry Jiménez via users wrote:

El 2/4/23 a las 23:37, Robert Nichols escribió:

Now that gnome-terminal (also mate-terminal, etc) no longer registers as a login session, what is the 
mechanism for sending messages to logged-in users? This is fairly important for shutdown, "UPS on 
bettery", etc. messages. The "wall" command does send a message to plain console sessions 
(Alt-Fn consoles), but the message does not reach GUI users whether or not a terminal emulator session is 
active, even with a terminal session started with the "Run command as a login shell" option 
selected.


Pehaps this helps you. Tried some of the solutions and worked


https://askubuntu.com/questions/789510/wall-doesnt-broadcast-to-gui-terminals-on-16-04


Thanks. I had seen that. Looks like I will have to use both "notify-send" (for 
the GUI user)
and also "wall" to notify users logged in on a text console or via ssh sessions.

I guess this is progress, but it sure was nice when things like "shutdown" "Just 
Worked(TM)".

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Re: Sending messages to all users

[José María Terry Jiménez via users]

El 2/4/23 a las 23:37, Robert Nichols escribió:
Now that gnome-terminal (also mate-terminal, etc) no longer registers 
as a login session, what is the mechanism for sending messages to 
logged-in users? This is fairly important for shutdown, "UPS on 
bettery", etc. messages. The "wall" command does send a message to 
plain console sessions (Alt-Fn consoles), but the message does not 
reach GUI users whether or not a terminal emulator session is active, 
even with a terminal session started with the "Run command as a login 
shell" option selected.



Pehaps this helps you. Tried some of the solutions and worked


https://askubuntu.com/questions/789510/wall-doesnt-broadcast-to-gui-terminals-on-16-04
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