Re: Fedora 40 is available

[Andras Simon]

Le jeu. 25 avr. 2024 à 20:35, home user  a écrit :

> xv is maintained by a github group named "jasper-software".
> The current release is v5.0.0, less than 3 months ago.
> There was a significant enhancement almost a year ago to support "webp" 
> images.
>
> The web site for this xv is here:
> "https://github.com/jasper-software/xv;.
>
> It appears to be free and open-source, but I'm not certain.  If it is, I 
> wonder if it should still be in rpm-nonfree or somewhere else.

$ rpm -qi xv
Name: xv
Version : 4.1.1
Release : 1.fc38
Architecture: x86_64
Install Date: Wed 20 Sep 2023 11:30:02 PM CEST
Group   : Unspecified
Size: 1444371
License : Shareware
Signature   : RSA/SHA256, Thu 08 Jun 2023 06:52:31 PM CEST, Key ID
6a2af96194843c65
Source RPM  : xv-4.1.1-1.fc38.src.rpm
Build Date  : Thu 08 Jun 2023 12:31:55 PM CEST
Build Host  : buildvm-07.virt.rpmfusion.net
Packager: RPM Fusion
Vendor  : RPM Fusion
URL : https://github.com/jasper-software/xv
[...]
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Re: How to discover latex fonts

[Andras Simon]

2024-02-15 6:39 UTC+01:00, Michael Hennebry :
> Antykwa ToruÅ ska Condensed is at
> https://tug.org/FontCatalogue/antykwatorunskacondensed/ .
> Somehow I discovered that I needed
> texlive-antt-10:svn18651.2.08-65.fc38.noarch to use package anttor ,
> so I installed it with dnf.
> No go:
> LaTeX Info: Font shape T1/anttc/mx/n has incorrect series value `mx'.
>  It should not contain an `m'! Please correct it.
>  Found on input line 32.
> Likewise for lines 33..35 .
> I have 17 lines:
> \documentclass{article}
> \usepackage[condensed,math]{anttor}
> \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \fontsize{140pt}{210pt}\selectfont
> \begin{document}
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> Hello world!
> \end{document}
>
> I got output, but the \fontsize definitely did not take.
>
> What now?

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/148508/how-does-fontsize-work

This is about making \fontsize work, not the warnings, which some
other google hits suggest you can ignore. And you don't need  to
\usepackage{fontspec} for \fontsize to work. (But maybe you're using
it for something else.)
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Re: how to remove unwanted old kernels.

[Andras Simon]

2023-12-02 18:04 UTC+01:00, Thomas Cameron via users
:
> Here's what I do. It's on RHEL, but the process is the same for Fedora.
>
> First, find all kernels which are installed.The last one is the latest,
> so we ignore that one.
>
> --
> [root@neuromancer ~]# rpm -qa kernel | sort
> kernel-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-5.14.0-362.8.1.el9_3.x86_64
> --
>
> Grab the version number for the oldest two and use that to find all
> related packages installed on my machine:
>
> --
> [root@neuromancer ~]# rpm -qa | grep -e 5.14.0-284.25.1 -e 5.14.0-284.30.1
> kernel-modules-core-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-core-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-modules-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-core-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-modules-core-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-modules-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> --
>
> Now remove all the RPMs with those version numbers. This is all one long
> command:
>
> --
> [root@neuromancer ~]# dnf remove
> kernel-modules-core-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-core-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-modules-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-5.14.0-284.25.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-core-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-modules-core-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-modules-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> kernel-5.14.0-284.30.1.el9_2.x86_64
> Updating Subscription Management repositories.
> Dependencies resolved.

Why not remove just kernel-core? dnf will take care of the dependent
packages (kernel-modules and the rest).
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Re: [Off List] Re: emacs is hopeless

[Andras Simon]

2023-11-14 20:36 UTC+01:00, Joe Zeff :
> On 11/14/2023 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra via users wrote:
>> What really irritates me about vi and its friends is that it throws you
>> out of editing (insert) mode in order to save the file, and needs
>> another key to come back in.
>
> You might want to consider nano; the most common commands are listed at
> the bottom of the window, including the one needed to get to the rest of
> them.

If his problem was finding the right keys, he'd continue to use emacs.
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Re: f38 & snapd

[Andras Simon]

2023-08-23 19:19 UTC+02:00, François Patte
:
> Le 2023-08-23 13:20, Ulf Volmer a écrit :
>> Am Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 12:10:01PM +0200 schrieb François Patte:
>>
>>> I, at last, found a squashfs kernel module in another directory and
>>> installed it in
>>> /lib/modules/6.4.9-200.fc38.x86_64/kernel/fs/squashfs/
>>
>> [ulf@yoga ~](28/0)$ modinfo squashfs|head -n 1
>> filename:
>> /lib/modules/6.4.11-200.fc38.x86_64/kernel/fs/squashfs/squashfs.ko.xz
>> [ulf@yoga ~](28/0)$ rpm -qf
>> /lib/modules/6.4.11-200.fc38.x86_64/kernel/fs/squashfs/squashfs.ko.xz
>> kernel-modules-6.4.11-200.fc38.x86_64
>
> Do you mean that upgrading the kernel from 6.4.9 to 6.4.11 solves the
> problem?

I think he means that you should install the kernel-modules package.
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Re: Poweroff on Fedora 37

[Andras Simon]

2023-05-04 12:58 UTC+02:00, t_pol :
> Hi all.
>
> Frequently "systemctl poweroff" does NOT really "power off" the machine but
> simply halts the system.

Does

shutdown -h now

work? If yes, would it be an adequate replacement? If no, I'd look
into the log files for a clue.
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Re: unlocking the login keyring

[Andras Simon]

Le dim. 7 mai 2023 à 23:50, Jonathan Billings  a
écrit :

> On May 7, 2023, at 15:40, Andras Simon  wrote:
> >
> > Shouldn't one's login password do that? It did so far, but not
> > anymore. How should I go about fixing it?
>
> You probably changed your login password, so the GNOME Keyring isn’t
> automatically unlocked on login.
>

I didn't, and the keyring was never unlocked automatically...

>
> Use the “seahorse” command to change your login keyring’s password from
> the old password to the new one.
>

So seahorse is the way to manipulate its password. Thanks for the tip!

>
> If you’ve forgotten your old password, and you don’t care about losing
> stored passwords, you can also delete it.
>

I have no idea what's in it. I only ever unlock it for the sake of Proton
VPN, which refuses to run without it.

>
>
>
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unlocking the login keyring

[Andras Simon]

Shouldn't one's login password do that? It did so far, but not
anymore. How should I go about fixing it?

I'm using Xfce on Fedora 37.
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Re: More space needed on the / filesystem to upgrade from F37 to F38

[Andras Simon]

2023-04-30 16:23 UTC+02:00, Paul Smith :
> Dear All,
>
> I am trying to use
>
> dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=38
>
> to upgrade from F37 to F38. However, I am getting this error:
>
> --
> -
> Error Summary
> -
> Disk Requirements:
>At least 4020MB more space needed on the / filesystem.
> ---

If you have enough space in another partition, you can use the
--downloaddir option. I have vague memories of this having solved the
same problem once.
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Re: Encryption for internet storage

[Andras Simon]

2023-04-21 1:36 UTC+02:00, Robert Nichols :
> On 4/20/23 14:08, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2023-04-20 19:41 UTC+02:00, Bill C :
>>> Yes but I am afraid too of encrypting something and then losing the key.
>>> Something that isn't going away, we all have that issue.
>>
>> If you store these files unencrypted on your computer (besides having
>> their encrypted version in the cloud), you may as well store the key
>> there.
>
> That sounds like a terrible idea. If your disk drive fails, now you've lost
> both your online data _and_ the key to your backup.

If the online version is *the* backup, then you're right, it is.
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Re: Encryption for internet storage

[Andras Simon]

2023-04-20 19:41 UTC+02:00, Bill C :
> Yes but I am afraid too of encrypting something and then losing the key.
> Something that isn't going away, we all have that issue.

If you store these files unencrypted on your computer (besides having
their encrypted version in the cloud), you may as well store the key
there.
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Re: Using python3-pycryptodomex

[Andras Simon]

2023-04-20 15:59 UTC+02:00, Robert Moskowitz :

>  >>> from Crypto.Cipher import Salsa20
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>File "", line 1, in 
> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'Crypto'

Courtesy of TAB-completion in ipython:

from Cryptodome.Cipher import Salsa20
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Re: Python cSHAKE hash function for Fedora?

[Andras Simon]

2023-04-19 23:07 UTC+02:00, Robert Moskowitz :

> I have been using pip3 to install updates, as --user, to xml2rfc. This
> is for IETF Internet Drafts.  Now I know I can just drop the '3'...

And perhaps 'pip', too, and dnf install python3-xml2rfc
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Re: Alternative to VLC

[Andras Simon]

2023-04-08 12:04 UTC+02:00, ToddAndMargo via users
:
> Hi All,
>
> VLC can play a lot of stuff, but the player
> has so, so many bugs in it that I am thinking
> it is time to give up on VLC.  Parole seems to
> work okay.
>
> You guys have a favorite sub for VLC?

mplayer

Andras
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Re: firefox needs-restarting

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2023-03-23 16:43 UTC+01:00, stan via users :
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2023 10:38:08 +0100
> Andras Simon  wrote:
>
>> firefox got updated today, and after restarting it,  dnf
>> needs-restarting says it needs to be restarted. To be on the safe
>> side, I did restart it once again, but to no avail.
>>
>> Might there be a reason for dnf needs-restarting's insistence?
>>
>> [Fedora 36, fully upgraded though not running the latest kernel.]
>
> I run firefox nightly, which pops up an update available dialog in
> firefox. Sometimes this happens for me even after I've just done the
> update and restarted nightly. Usually I have to restart X to clear this
> up.  It might be the same for you. I think this is because a library was
> updated but wasn't reloaded.  Try running ldconfig as root to reload
> any libraries. If that fails, try logging out of your desktop and
> restarting it.  Warning, this might just be superstition on my part.
> :-)

Thanks! I tried ldconfig, but it didn't change anything. If I log out,
I may as well do a reboot, and that will surely get rid of this
complaint. But for now I'll just live with it.

Andras
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firefox needs-restarting

[Andras Simon]

firefox got updated today, and after restarting it,  dnf
needs-restarting says it needs to be restarted. To be on the safe
side, I did restart it once again, but to no avail.

Might there be a reason for dnf needs-restarting's insistence?

[Fedora 36, fully upgraded though not running the latest kernel.]

Andras
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Re: sigil ebook editor?

[Andras Simon]

2023-02-01 23:01 UTC+01:00, Tom Horsley :
> Wanted to see if I could edit a slightly busted epub and found
> that the version of sigil in the fedora repos is very old.
> Any chance it will be updated soon?

I don't know, but wouldn't you be better off editing it by hand, using
your favourite text editor?
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Re: Vivaldi web browser - anybody?

[Andras Simon]

2023-01-31 19:19 UTC+01:00, lejeczek via users :
> Hi guys.
>
> Does anybody use Vivaldi?
> I've had for a few years but have used it only for specific
> subset of wwws. I've only recently noticed I do not get
> sound during video playback, Youtube and others.
> Can somebody confirm, using their yum/rpm packaged installation?

Sound works perfectly here.

rpm -q vivaldi-stable
vivaldi-stable-5.6.2867.62-1.x86_64
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Re: VDQ : Ffx updates

[Andras Simon]

2022-10-11 18:09 UTC+02:00, Beartooth :
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 17:14:56 +0200, Andras Simon wrote:
>
>> If he did install it outside of Fedora, wouldn't it be better to
>> uninstall it and install the Fedora version? That way he would get
>> regular updates along with the rest of his packages.
>
>   I've been running Ffx since it was iirc 'phoenix' and Fedora since
> it was RH7; I can't begin to recall all the tweaks I've tried since the
> Nineties.
>
>   So do I have this right? I should run 'dnf remove firefox', then
> 'dny install firefox'. Reboot between?

No, you should uninstall the Firefox you installed outside of Fedora,
not with dnf.
If you did not do that, then I don't know why it wants to upgrade itself.

I don't know how to check whether you installed it outside of Fedora. But if

rpm -q firefox

says something positive, such as

firefox-105.0.1-1.fc35.x86_64

and not

package firefox is not installed

then you have a version that is installed with dnf. In that case , if

rpm -qV firefox

returns with no messages, there is no reason to reinstall it with dnf.
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Re: VDQ : Ffx updates

[Andras Simon]

Le lun. 10 oct. 2022 à 17:08, stan via users 
a écrit :

>
> At some point you must have installed firefox outside of fedora, which
> defaults to automatic updates.  You can fix this by going into
> edit->settings->general  If you page down, near the bottom there will
> be a setting to allow or disable automatic updates.
>

If he did install it outside of Fedora, wouldn't it be better to uninstall
it and install the Fedora version? That way he would get regular updates
along with the rest of his packages.
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Re: Current Fedora version of ImageMagick is from 2017

[Andras Simon]

2022-08-10 18:02 UTC+02:00, Terry Polzin :
> The package may have been depreciated in favor of something else, you'll
> have to review the release notes.
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:59 AM Andras Simon  wrote:
>
>> 2022-08-10 17:42 UTC+02:00, Paul Smith :
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > I have just noticed that the current Fedora version of
>> >
>> > ImageMagick
>> >
>> > is from 2017. Why is that?
>>
>> I don't know. But have a look at GraphicsMagick, which is 'An
>> ImageMagick fork, offering faster image generation and better
>> quality'.

You probably meant to answer to the OP, not me, and have ImageMagick,
not GraphicsMagick in mind.
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Re: Current Fedora version of ImageMagick is from 2017

[Andras Simon]

2022-08-10 17:42 UTC+02:00, Paul Smith :
> Dear All,
>
> I have just noticed that the current Fedora version of
>
> ImageMagick
>
> is from 2017. Why is that?

I don't know. But have a look at GraphicsMagick, which is 'An
ImageMagick fork, offering faster image generation and better
quality'.
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Re: spill chucking

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2022-08-10 10:09 UTC+02:00, Tim via users :
> Hi,
>
> How many spell checking thingies are in place on a run-of-the-mill
> installation?
>
> I've forgotten which application it was, now, but the other day I was
> having to add ordinary words to the dictionary, as it was flagging up
> normal words as being incorrect.
>
> Words like:  don't, won't, can't.  Each time it fouled up at the
> apostrophe.
>
> I can understand odd words being unrecognised, but failing those ones
> were sheer stupidity.
>
> And, no it wasn't a case of ASCII apostrophe versus fancier UTF
> apostrophes.  Not that it should foul up on them, either.  If I type an
> apostrophe character, a correct one and not something that looks
> vaguely similar but is wrong (like the Brits using grave accents), the
> spell checkers should handle that.
>
> Now I want to track down the culprit.

hunspell doesn't seem to have this problem. That's what I think emacs
uses, but I tried it now on the command line with your mail and it
didn't complain about "don't".
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Re: Firefox issue

[Andras Simon]

2022-08-08 8:09 UTC+02:00, Samuel Sieb :
> On 8/7/22 01:38, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2022-08-06 23:03 UTC+02:00, ToddAndMargo via users
>> :
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Fedora 36
>>> firefox-102.0-1.fc36.x86_64
>>>
>>> This seems to be an issue specific to the
>>> repo's edition of Firefox. Everyone on
>>> the Firefox newsgroup get it to work.
>>> Removing and reinstalling did not help:
>>>
>>> https://esupport.gigabyte.com/
>>>  Secure Connection Failed
>>>
>>>  An error occurred during a connection to
>>>  esupport.gigabyte.com. You are attempting to
>>>  import a cert with the same issuer/serial
>>>  as an existing cert, but that is not the
>>>  same cert.
>>>
>>>  Error code: SEC_ERROR_REUSED_ISSUER_AND_SERIAL
>>
>> If you click on "Lean more...", you'll end up in a few steps on this
>> page:
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Certificate-contains-the-same-serial-number-as-another-certificate
>> which *may* help.
>
> The error message that page shows is slightly different.  I don't know
> if that's because it's an earlier version of the message or this is a
> different case.  Regardless, the suggested solution is not relevant to
> this issue.

The error code is the same, and, moreover, mozilla sends you to this
page, so I guess every investigation should start there. Of course it
may still turn out to be irrelevant.
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Re: Firefox issue

[Andras Simon]

2022-08-07 11:00 UTC+02:00, ToddAndMargo via users
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> On 8/7/22 01:38, Andras Simon wrote:

>> If you click on "Lean more...", you'll end up in a few steps on this
>> page:
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Certificate-contains-the-same-serial-number-as-another-certificate
>> which *may* help.
>
> Any idea how to fix it?

Follow Mozilla's recommendations. Do a google search for more background.
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Re: Firefox issue

[Andras Simon]

2022-08-06 23:03 UTC+02:00, ToddAndMargo via users
:
> Hi All,
>
> Fedora 36
> firefox-102.0-1.fc36.x86_64
>
> This seems to be an issue specific to the
> repo's edition of Firefox. Everyone on
> the Firefox newsgroup get it to work.
> Removing and reinstalling did not help:
>
> https://esupport.gigabyte.com/
> Secure Connection Failed
>
> An error occurred during a connection to
> esupport.gigabyte.com. You are attempting to
> import a cert with the same issuer/serial
> as an existing cert, but that is not the
> same cert.
>
> Error code: SEC_ERROR_REUSED_ISSUER_AND_SERIAL

If you click on "Lean more...", you'll end up in a few steps on this
page: 
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/Certificate-contains-the-same-serial-number-as-another-certificate
which *may* help.
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Re: WebEx client no longer works on Fedora 36

[Andras Simon]

2022-07-29 19:23 UTC+02:00, Ranjan Maitra :
> Neal,
>
> Not recently, but why should I try WebEx through the browser, and
> potentially give them all the information that they can vacuum up from the
> browser? I just wonder why the video for the linux client stopped working.

I think you answered your own question.

I'm not a security expert, but I'd be surprised to learn that a
website had access to more information than an application that you
have installed. The latter has acess to all your files, after all.

Andras
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Re: Cleaning /var/lib/dnf/yumdb

[Andras Simon]

2022-06-30 0:45 UTC+02:00, Michael D. Setzer II :
> On 29 Jun 2022 at 22:20, Andras Simon wrote:

[...]

>> > Thanks. I have 3 other machines in room that are running
>> > Fedora 35, and none of them have the /var/lib/dnf/yumdb
>> > directory at all.
>>
>> This is strange, because that directory belongs to the dnf-data
>> package, and I'm sure you have that installed.
>
> Interesting. I did a dnf whatprovides /var/lib/dnf/yumdb
> and it came up with the dnf-data..
>
> It is installed on all 4 machines, but 3 don't have the
> yumdb directory??
>
> Perhaps it is created during the transistion of a system
> that was using yum to dnf, so it is only created at that
> point??

I don't know, but I'd be surprised if the content of a package
depended on the way the system was installed. Just out of curiosity,
what does
rpm -V dnf-data
say? Does it signal that /var/lib/dnf/yumdb directory is missing?

FWIW I get this:

[simon@localhost ~]$ rpm -V dnf-data
.M...  g /var/lib/dnf/groups.json
.M...  g /var/lib/dnf/history
.M...  g /var/log/hawkey.log
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Re: Cleaning /var/lib/dnf/yumdb

[Andras Simon]

2022-06-29 19:24 UTC+02:00, Michael D. Setzer II via users
:

> Thanks. I have 3 other machines in room that are running
> Fedora 35, and none of them have the /var/lib/dnf/yumdb
> directory at all.

This is strange, because that directory belongs to the dnf-data
package, and I'm sure you have that installed.
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Re: subtitles conversion question

[Andras Simon]

2022-05-31 19:37 UTC+02:00, François Patte
:
> Bonjour,
>
> I have some films in mkv format with many subtitles tracks :
> hdmv_pgs_subtitles
>
> I can extract these tracks and I want to convert them in srt text
> format.
>
> I use a java script (found on the web) BDSup2Sub512.jar which can
> convert the hdmv_pgs files in two files: one has extension .idx the
> other one the .sub extension.
>
> I found this web site:
>
> https://subconverter.com/convert-sub-idx-to-srt-online
>
> Which I can use to convert these two files in a .srt file. So far, so
> good!
>
> Is there a tool on linux which could do the same job?

mplayer may be able to. From man mplayer:

-dumpsrtsub (MPlayer only)
  Convert the given subtitle (specified with the -sub  option)  to
  the time-based SubViewer (SRT) subtitle format.  Creates a dump‐
  sub.srt file in the current directory.
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Re: resurrecting old laptops

[Andras Simon]

2022-05-23 16:59 UTC+02:00, jim.cro...@gmail.com :

[...]
> I have used fedora-live-usb to rescue machines
> in the past, but Im running out of options.
> I would welcome other distro suggestions for tired old hardware

https://www.lxle.net works for me on a netbook from around 2008.
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Re: LibreOffice Base?

[Andras Simon]

2022-05-02 3:31 UTC+02:00, Robert Moskowitz :
> I want to create an Access Database on my F35 system so my wife can also
> use it on her Windows system using Access.
>
> So I did a quick bit of googling and found that maybe LibreOffice Base
> is what I want.
>
> So I did:
>
> dnf install libreoffice-base
>
> which worked, and then tried launching it and
>
> nothing...
>
> Any hints on getting this running?

oobase is what you probably want to start. At least that's the only
executable file in libreoffice-base.
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Re: OT: laptop SSD(?) makes screeching sounds

[Andras Simon]

2022-04-14 4:03 UTC+02:00, Ranjan Maitra :

> There is no DVD. It is possible that it is the fan, and that is my suspicion
> but I can not tell. It does happen only when there is some sort of activity
> in the disk. This is not the usual mild rattling sound that happens almost
> all the time, but screeching at times.

What happens if you exercise the processor for minutes with something
that doesn't involve I/O?
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Re: More memory

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2022-01-12 13:21 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Wed, 2022-01-12 at 12:46 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan
>> :
>>
>> > You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It
>> > periodically
>> > (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore
>> > them
>> > again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until
>> > you
>> > decide to visit it.
>>
>> I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the
>> "not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part
>> is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
>
> While I haven't looked closely, I can only say that the behaviour with
> the extension is different from that without it, e.g. it's possible to
> avoid loading even the favicon.
>
> The restore option is also more flexible and less buggy than the
> default behaviour, which is the real reason I installed it (rather than
> the performance aspect).

I don't recall running into bugs related to this, but then you're
probably visiting different sites, etc. I have a few hundred tabs
open, but almost all of them are static pages, so maybe I'm exercising
this part of Firefox less.
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Re: More memory

[Andras Simon]

2022-01-12 12:09 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :

> You might consider the Tab Session Manager extension. It periodically
> (or on demand) saves your current tabs and windows and can restore them
> again on startup, but optionally not actually load each page until you
> decide to visit it.

I believe that this is the default behaviour of Firefox. I mean the
"not actually loading until you switch to it" part. The restore part
is not the default, just an option. But neither needs an extension.
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Re: dnf upgrade to Fedora 35 using --downloaddir just wiped out my entire home dir !

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2021-11-18 11:25 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
> On 11/18/21 02:21, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2021-11-18 5:08 UTC+01:00, Ed Greshko :
>>> On 18/11/2021 11:39, linux guy wrote:
>>>> "And the "rm" man page also does not warn what would happen if one
>>>> enters
>>>> "rm -rf /home"."
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, not the same context.   Giving an app a directory to use does
>>>> not
>>>> allow the app to delete data it didn't create.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Quite apparently, it does in this case.
>>
>> Just because dnf does it, it doesn't mean that it is allowed to do it.
>> In a very technical sense, yes, but then, say, firefox is also allowed
>> to wipe your home directory. dnf should've created a subdirectory of
>> /home and wiped *that*, afterwards. Just as other apps are creating
>> subdirectories of .config and do their thing there.
>
> Except that this is a very different case.  You're not telling dnf where
> it can create its own directory.  You are saying "this is your
> directory, use it".

Yes, you have a point. It's a much better argument, than "it could,
because it did". I still think the prudent (and simple) thing is to
create a subdirectory and wipe that. Or at least put a scary warning
in the documentation.
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Re: dnf upgrade to Fedora 35 using --downloaddir just wiped out my entire home dir !

[Andras Simon]

2021-11-18 5:08 UTC+01:00, Ed Greshko :
> On 18/11/2021 11:39, linux guy wrote:
>> "And the "rm" man page also does not warn what would happen if one enters
>> "rm -rf /home"."
>>
>> Sorry, not the same context.   Giving an app a directory to use does not
>> allow the app to delete data it didn't create.
>>
>
> Quite apparently, it does in this case.

Just because dnf does it, it doesn't mean that it is allowed to do it.
In a very technical sense, yes, but then, say, firefox is also allowed
to wipe your home directory. dnf should've created a subdirectory of
/home and wiped *that*, afterwards. Just as other apps are creating
subdirectories of .config and do their thing there.

It's not even a question of which directory we're talking about. dnf
shouldn't even wipe /tmp
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Andras Simon]

2021-11-01 12:57 UTC+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Mon, 2021-11-01 at 10:25 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2021-10-31 23:56 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
>> > On 2021-10-31 15:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> [...]
>> > > I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish, and
>> > > in my
>> > > experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more than
>> > > one
>> > > or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much more
>> > > reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases, without
>> > > going
>> > > to more professional translation software. It also has a handy
>> > > browser
>> > > extension.
>> >
>> > I've used it with French posts and web sites quite a few times and
>> > it's
>> > pretty reasonable.  Certainly enough to be quite comprehensible.
>>
>> I agree. But deepl.com is even better.
>
> However they only appear to have apps for Windows and IOS.

That's possible, but I don't see how that is relevant in this
discussion. It works well in a browser.
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Re: Does the program llvm break all the hardware or only some of it ?

[Andras Simon]

2021-10-31 23:56 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
> On 2021-10-31 15:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
[...]
>> I've looked at Google Translate between English and Spanish, and in my
>> experience it's pretty terrible on extended texts (i.e. more than one
>> or two words at a time). I've found Reverso Context to much more
>> reliable, especially when applied to colloquial phrases, without going
>> to more professional translation software. It also has a handy browser
>> extension.
>
> I've used it with French posts and web sites quite a few times and it's
> pretty reasonable.  Certainly enough to be quite comprehensible.

I agree. But deepl.com is even better.
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Re: F34 pipewire no audio after updates

[Andras Simon]

2021-08-14 16:30 UTC+02:00, George N. White III :
[...]
> On Fedora 33 neither pulseaudio nopipewire can be removed (using
> Gnome only because that is what most of my colleagues use for software
> that won't run on Windows):
>
> Error:
>  Problem: The operation would result in removing the following protected
> packages: gnome-shell

Someone posted this here a few days ago:

sudo dnf swap --allowerasing pipewire-pulseaudio pulseaudio

You might want to try this.

Andras
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Re: upgrading to fedora 34

[Andras Simon]

2021-05-16 14:10 UTC+02:00, Angelo Moreschini :
> it is someone that can give me a clue to understand because after I
> upgraded Fedora to 34,
> I still continue to read Fedora 32 on the information  of my
> computer ?
>
> Is it  really still Fedora 32 or is it only a bad information,  that I
> receive ?

What does
cat /etc/redhat-release
say?

Did you follow the instructions here:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/  ?

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Re: suspend doesn't lock

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2021-04-21 21:46 UTC+02:00, Samuel Sieb :
> On 2021-04-21 11:57 a.m., Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2021-04-21 20:05 UTC+02:00, Frank Elsner via users
>> :
>>
>>>
>>>> What are the screen lock settings at right now?
>>>
>>> Activate screensaver when computer is idle [after 1 h]
>>> Lock screen when screensaver is active [Yes]
>>
>> Just a shot in the dark, but how long is your computer suspended
>> before you wake it up? If it's less then an hour, then maybe the
>> screensaver just hasn't started yet.
>
> I don't know about other environments, but Gnome locks the screen before
> activating the suspend.  And I've never seen anything else on any other
> platform.

I've just suspended and then woke up my laptop (Fedora 32, Xfce) and
the screen wasn't locked. (This doesn't happen when it's suspended all
night.)

It's too bad that the OP's problem is unrelated.
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Re: suspend doesn't lock

[Andras Simon]

2021-04-21 20:05 UTC+02:00, Frank Elsner via users
:

>
>> What are the screen lock settings at right now?
>
> Activate screensaver when computer is idle [after 1 h]
> Lock screen when screensaver is active [Yes]

Just a shot in the dark, but how long is your computer suspended
before you wake it up? If it's less then an hour, then maybe the
screensaver just hasn't started yet.

Andras
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Re: dangling symlinks and upgrades (was "invisible application after upgrade").

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2021-04-12 19:12 UTC+02:00, home user :
> (context)
> In the "invisible application after upgrade" thread, Ed did not know how
> I did my upgrade to f33.  I responded that I mostly followed the Fedora
> upgrade instructions from here:
> "https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/;,
> and listed the sequence of commands that I did.  That included the steps
> symlinks -r /usr | grep dangling
> symlinks -r -d /usr
> from the "Clean-Up Old Symlinks" section.  Andras responded that
>  > This isn't necessarily a good idea, because those dangling symlinks
>  > may belong to their respective packages. If so, removing them will
>  > compromise the integrity of the package they belong to.
> If Andras is correct, then the upgrade instructions need to be changed.
> Based on past experience, when a bug is submitted against Fedora
> documentation, the Fedora documentation team will want suggestions on
> how the document should be worded.
>
> (question 1)
> What should the instructions say?  Is there a better yet easy and safe
> way to find and clean out dangling symlinks?  Maybe more detail should
> accompany "After you verify the list of broken symlinks"?

I don't know, but maybe a script that checks if the link belongs to a
package, and only removes it if it doesn't. But I'm not sure it's
worth the hassle. (Especially that that output of symlinks is not very
useful in a script. As far as I can see, one would have to extract the
filename from it using a(n adimittedly, probably quite simple)
regexp.)

> (question 2)
> In a later post, Andras provided and example of a dangling symlink (in
> the "hunspell" package) that should not be deleted. When I was a C/C++
> programmer (a long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away), dangling
> pointers (and memory leaks) were naughty; they can cause serious
> problems.  Isn't a dangling symlink a file system parallel to a dangling
> pointer in a C/C++ program?

I'm not an expert but I'm pretty sure it's not.

> What good, valid purpose is there for a
> package to have a dangling symlink?  Or maybe "hunspell" needs a little
> clean-up?

Probably no and yes. But it's not just hunspell. Far from it!

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Re: invisible application after upgrade.

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2021-04-11 23:02 UTC+02:00, home user :
>> 2021-04-11 6:38 UTC+02:00, home user >
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> This isn't necessarily a good idea, because those dangling symlinks
>> may belong to their respective packages. If so, removing them will
>> compromise the integrity of the package they belong to.
>
> I don't fully understand.  Of what use is a link to nowhere?

Let me show you an example.

$ rpm -qV hunspell
$ symlinks /usr/share/doc/hunspell/
dangling: /usr/share/doc/hunspell/README -> README.md
# rm  /usr/share/doc/hunspell/README
$ rpm -qV hunspell
missing   d /usr/share/doc/hunspell/README
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Re: invisible application after upgrade.

[Andras Simon]

2021-04-11 6:38 UTC+02:00, home user :

[...]

> * symlinks -r -d /usr

This isn't necessarily a good idea, because those dangling symlinks
may belong to their respective packages. If so, removing them will
compromise the integrity of the package they belong to.
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Re: dependency question

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2021-03-01 20:47 UTC+01:00, Samuel Sieb :
>> I missed 'kernel-modules-extra' among the packages that were installed.
>> Thanks!
>
> Yes, that was an annoying bug from a while back.  The debug packages got
> pulled in instead of the non-debug one.

I was wondering how and why all those debug packages got installed. Thanks!

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Re: dependency question

[Andras Simon]

2021-03-01 16:22 UTC+01:00, Jerry James :
> The NetworkManager-l2tp package depends on xl2tpd, which depends on
> kmod(l2tp_ppp.ko).
>
> $ dnf repoquery --whatprovides 'kmod(l2tp_ppp.ko)'
> kernel-debug-modules-extra-0:5.10.18-200.fc33.x86_64
> kernel-modules-extra-0:5.10.18-200.fc33.x86_64
>
> When you removed kernel-debug-modules-extra, your system did not have
> kernel-modules-extra installed, leaving it with no packages providing
> kmod(l2tp_ppp.ko).  Therefore, xl2tpd had to be removed, which in turn
> required the removal of NetworkManager-l2tp.
>
> When you reinstalled NetworkManager-l2tp, its dependency on xl2tpd required
> something providing kmod(l2tp_ppp.ko) to be installed.  Of the two packages
> that provide kmod(l2tp_ppp.ko), kernel-modules-extra has the shorter name,
> so it was installed to satisfy the dependency.  (Yum, at least, used the
> "shorter name" rule.  I'm just guessing that dnf does likewise.)

I missed 'kernel-modules-extra' among the packages that were installed.
Thanks!

Andras
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dependency question

[Andras Simon]

Just out of curiosity: if package B depends on A, shown by the that
removing A removes B, too, how come that after removing both, B can be
installed without installing A?
Here's what happened:


# dnf erase kernel-debug-*
Dependencies resolved.

 Package   Arch  Version  Repository   Size

Removing:
 kernel-debug-core x86_645.10.8-100.fc32  @updates 77 M
 kernel-debug-core x86_645.10.17-100.fc32 @updates 77 M
 kernel-debug-core x86_645.10.18-100.fc32 @updates 77 M
 kernel-debug-modules  x86_645.10.8-100.fc32  @updates 31 M
 kernel-debug-modules  x86_645.10.17-100.fc32 @updates 31 M
 kernel-debug-modules  x86_645.10.18-100.fc32 @updates 31 M
 kernel-debug-modules-extrax86_645.10.8-100.fc32  @updates2.0 M
 kernel-debug-modules-extrax86_645.10.17-100.fc32 @updates2.0 M
 kernel-debug-modules-extrax86_645.10.18-100.fc32 @updates2.0 M
Removing dependent packages:
 NetworkManager-l2tp   x86_641.8.2-1.fc32 @fedora 579 k
Removing unused dependencies:
 ldns  x86_641.7.0-29.fc32@fedora 425 k
 libreswan x86_644.2-1.fc32   @updates4.3 M
 nss-tools x86_643.60.1-1.fc32@updates2.3 M
 xl2tpdx86_641.3.14-2.fc32@fedora 205 k

Transaction Summary

Remove  14 Packages

Freed space: 335 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y

[...]
dnf install NetworkManager-l2tp
Last metadata expiration check: 1:08:42 ago on Mon 01 Mar 2021 12:48:36 PM CET.
Dependencies resolved.

 Package   ArchVersion   RepositorySize

Installing:
 NetworkManager-l2tp   x86_64  1.8.2-1.fc32  fedora   174 k
Installing dependencies:
 kernel-modules-extra  x86_64  5.10.18-100.fc32  updates  2.0 M
 ldns  x86_64  1.7.0-29.fc32 fedora   165 k
 nss-tools x86_64  3.60.1-1.fc32 updates  529 k
 xl2tpdx86_64  1.3.14-2.fc32 fedora95 k
Installing weak dependencies:
 libreswan x86_64  4.2-1.fc32updates  1.2 M

Transaction Summary

Install  6 Packages


Total download size: 4.1 M
Installed size: 9.8 M
Is this ok [y/N]: y

Andras
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Re: F33 BTRFS - Not enough swap space for hibernation

[Andras Simon]

2020-12-06 8:51 UTC+01:00, Sreyan Chakravarty :
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 10:33 AM Tim via users
> 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2020-12-05 at 17:45 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> > There definitely is no free lunch with swap-on-zram, but it helps
>> > quite a lot for most workloads.
>>
>> I'm curious how dedicating some of your RAM for swap, therefore having
>> less RAM, is more beneficial than just using your RAM as RAM.
>>
>
> Exactly my point.

Don't think of it as swap. It's in-place compression of memory.
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Re: HTML/PDF -

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2020-11-23 20:37 UTC+01:00, Bob Goodwin :
> What is the best way to convert an HTML file to PDF. I have a two page
> report in HTML form that I want to change to PDF. I can scan a printed
> copy but I would like to convert the HTML file I received to PDF.
> LibreOffice reformat it into a four page document, I would prefer to
> keep the original two page style.

I don't know if there is a best way, but you could try ebook-convert
(part of the calibre package). If you're lucky, you'll be satisfied
with the result of

ebook-convert your.html your.pdf

Otherwise, you'll need to read about the options here:
https://manual.calibre-ebook.com/generated/en/ebook-convert.html#pdf-output-options

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Re: Speech to text -

[Andras Simon]

2020-11-17 22:05 UTC+01:00, Bob Goodwin :
>
> The answer to my original question is no, there is nothing available to
> do what I asked, essentially to produce a text message by dictation.

You asked for a voice to text program. Doesn't this fit the bill?

Name : pocketsphinx
Epoch: 1
Version  : 5
Release  : 0.3.prealpha.fc32
Architecture : x86_64
Size : 42 k
Source   : pocketsphinx-5-0.3.prealpha.fc32.src.rpm
Repository   : updates
Summary  : Real-time speech recognition
URL  : http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/
License  : BSD
Description  : PocketSphinx is a version of the open-source Sphinx-II speech
 : recognition system which is able to recognize speech in
 : real-time.  While it may be somewhat less accurate than the
 : offline speech recognizers, it is lightweight enough to run on
 : handheld and embedded devices.

I haven't tried it, but the description suggests that perhaps you should.

Andras
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Re: flatpak question

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2020-09-28 4:06 UTC+02:00, Tim via users :

> The end of life just means what it says.  That Fedora 31 has run past
> the end of its life, it's now going to be ignored (no more updates
> produced for it) and you have to upgrade to the next release to stay
> current.

No, Fedora 31 is alive and well:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases
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Re: system-upgrade f31 to f32 on CLI fails

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2020-09-02 20:10 UTC+02:00, Ranjan Maitra :
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:51:26 -0700 Samuel Sieb  wrote:

>> Have you installed any packages from outside Fedora's repos?
>
> I don't know the answer: a student who knows quite a bit about Fedora used
> to use it. But it has never been a problem to upgrade this machine
> previously.
>
> Is there an obvious way to remove/figure out packages that are causing the
> problems?

You seem to have a lot of non-Fedora repos enabled. For example

Adobe Systems Incorporated
Fedora 31 openh264 (From Cisco) - x86_64
google-chrome
etc.

I'd remove the packages which comes from these repos and disable the
repos themselves.

Andras
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Re: What is Portal and pipewire and Why Did They Start?

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2020-07-19 16:14 UTC+02:00, Garry T. Williams :

> I looked at the dnf logs and spotted this.
>
> Upgrading webkit2gtk3 caused flatpak to be installed (along with
> xdg-desktop-portal-kde):
>
> Installing weak dependencies:
>  flatpak   x86_64   1.6.4-1.fc32updates
> 1.5 M
>  p11-kit-serverx86_64   0.23.20-1.fc32  fedora
> 189 k
>  xdg-desktop-portal-kdex86_64   5.18.5-2.fc32   updates
> 191 k
>
> I added excludepkgs to my dnf.conf file.
>
> Problem solved.

For the time being.
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Re: lgrenc.def

[Andras Simon]

2020-06-23 14:19 UTC+02:00, Qiyu Yan :
> Test related things can be installed by
> dnf install 'tex(filename)'
> Hope this will help you next time.

This looks very useful!

Thanks,
Andras
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Re: lgrenc.def

[Andras Simon]

2020-06-23 11:31 UTC+02:00, Patrick Dupre :
> Hello,
>
> Is there a package which provide lgrenc.def?
> dnf repoquery --whatprovides 'lgrenc.def'
> did not offer me any thing.

Yes: texlive-greek-fontenc
At least according to
dnf repoquery -l texlive-greek-fontenc

Andras
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Re: Looking for a .so

[Andras Simon]

2020-05-31 16:08 UTC+02:00, Geoffrey Leach :
> I have a build that references '-lz'. This fails, because gcc expects
> to find libz.so in the library search path. The package that installs
> zlib, zlib-1.2.11-21.fc32.x86_64 does not create a symlink from
> libz.so.1.2.11

I think that you need to install zlib-devel.

Andras
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Re: Fedora 30 EOL

[Andras Simon]

2020-05-28 15:00 UTC+02:00, Ralf Corsepius :

> Please do yourself a favor and check which packages and which packages
> you talking about. As I wrote before, there are obvious patterns, but we
> all know the people in charge are not interested.

Wouldn't it be simpler if you told us, instead of sending all
interested readers go chasing patterns?

Andras
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Re: Fedora 30 EOL

[Andras Simon]

2020-05-28 13:30 UTC+02:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 18:08 +0930, Tim via users wrote:

[...]

>> Perhaps there should be an automated culling of participants.  If you
>> step up the plate to say you'll maintain a package, but don't, *you*
>> get dumped from bugzilla.
>
> I was about to suggest something similar. Not necessarily dumping them
> from BZ but removing the package's "maintained" status (or whatever the
> terminology is). Clearly if bug reports are not being addressed, the
> package is not being maintained in any meaningful sense.

What if half of the reports are addressed, resulting in a lot of happy users?
The same for maintainers: what if a maintainer addresses half of the
issues he's supposed to? Should (s)he still get dumped?

Andras
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Re: night light

[Andras Simon]

2020-04-27 22:26 UTC+02:00, Patrick Dupre :
> From the hardware, I can change the brightness, but not the temperature.
>
> Is there another tool under fedora to adjust the color temperature?

redshift - set color temperature of display according to time of day
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Re: VideoConference Package?

[Andras Simon]

Le lun. 30 mars 2020 à 15:28, Tom Horsley  a écrit :

>
> We just used Microsoft Teams (which I imagine isn't remotely
> free, but our work IT department is obsessed with Microsoft).
> It was moderately OK, has an unbelievably annoying linux
> version: For instance, you can't ever exit, it keeps running forever till
> you find it and kill it with extreme prejudice, it insists on
> being full screen, but doesn't position the window at (0,0),
> it pops up new chat notifications directly on top of the area
> you are trying to type in, etc.
>

FWIW I've been using Teams from chrome on Fedora 30 for like two weeks now
for classes (audio, video, chat and screen sharing), and, touch wood, it's
been very stable.

[Sorry for the html, I'm typing this on my phone.]

>
>
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Re: XTerm font resource

[Andras Simon]

2020-02-27 7:01 GMT+01:00, Dave Close :

>> Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? What options can I use on a
>> command line to get the same font as selecting "Small" with the xterm
>> menu?

Maybe this could help you locate the right font:

xfontsel - point and click selection of X11 font names

xfontsel is in the xorg-x11-apps package (at least on Fedora 30).

Andras
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Re: xfce4 suspend problem

[Andras Simon]

2020-02-20 12:00 GMT+01:00, François Patte
:
> Bonjour,
>
> When I suspend my computer, it suspends for a few seconds, then
> resumes So it is impossible to suspend!
>
> Once upon a time, I could find some information the pm-suspend.log file.
> Today, I cannot find this file! Is there no more log file for pm-suspend
> or did I miss how to activate this file?

At least here suspend-related messages go to /var/log/messages
For example:

/* suspending last night */
Feb 19 23:22:46 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Starting Suspend...
Feb 19 23:22:46 localhost.localdomain systemd-sleep[27633]: Suspending system...
Feb 19 23:22:46 localhost.localdomain kernel: PM: suspend entry (deep)

/* waking up this morning */
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain kernel: printk: Suspending console(s) (us>
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain kernel: PM: suspend devices took 0.373 se>
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain kernel: PM: suspend exit
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 auid=>
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 auid=4>
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: systemd-suspend.service: Succ>
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Started Suspend.
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Reached target Suspend.
Feb 20 09:46:22 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Stopped target Suspend.

Of course the comments don't come from the logs.

Andras
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Re: Is This Windows?.....

[Andras Simon]

2019-12-29 21:50 GMT+01:00, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. :

> Why is it now that when I get notifications for updates I'm being
> prompted to "restart & Install"?..
>
>
> WTH!

Are you using gnome? Then you may find this thread interesting:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/C3O7AJDAQLO7YREEL5XVVXBJ24OIUTDI/
(Start with the second message.)
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Re: filter for up-arrow in terminal

[Andras Simon]

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 15:31 SternData 
wrote:

> A long time ago, in an operating system far, far away I used a tool
> called PCED.  It had one really nice feature:  If I had typed a command
> like
>
>   copy a b
>
> it saved it, just like bash does.  But when I typed
>
>copy
>
> and pressed up-arrow, it would filter the history entries and show only
> those that started with "copy".
>
> I'm already using autojump for the cd command. Is there something to
> provide this filter on using up-arrow to scroll through past commands?
>

Yes: in bash, just start typing what you're looking for after ctrl-r.
Ctrl-r is bound by default to incremental search backwards.

>
>
>
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Re: Someone here using restic (Backup)

[Andras Simon]

2019-11-17 20:02 GMT+01:00, sixpack13 :
>>
>> Anyway, if the OP used a thread-aware client, he wouldn't have been
>> overwhelmed by 300 messages a day.
>
> like TB ?

I'm not using TB, but I guess so.

> I wonder why would a thread-aware client reduce the numbers of messages.
> If I'm subscribed to a list I get them all, don't I ?
> do I have a lack of knowledge here ?

Yes, you get them all, but you don't see them all, only the various
threads (or their subject lines). The individual messages are hidden
behind the thread. If you don't care about the topic, you delete the
whole thread in one go. If you do, you open the thread and see all its
messages there, in one place, not mixed up with your other mails. Etc.
etc.
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Re: Someone here using restic (Backup)

[Andras Simon]

2019-11-16 14:29 GMT+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Sat, 2019-11-16 at 13:06 +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2019-11-16 12:54 GMT+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
[...]
>> > > did that years ago and getting a head full of steam.
>> > > - Okay, it was the time where daily ~300 and more messages run though
>> > > this
>> > > list. -
>> >
>> > That's what filters are for ...
>>
>> Filters and email clients that can deal with threads.
>
> Of course. Surely they all do these days? (I don't count the web
> clients like Gmail, which are essentially broken as regards mailing
> lists).

Is it? I use it (the basic, non-JS version), and it's working just fine.

Anyway, if the OP used a thread-aware client, he wouldn't have been
overwhelmed by 300 messages a day.
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Re: Someone here using restic (Backup)

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2019-11-16 12:54 GMT+01:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Fri, 2019-11-15 at 23:54 +,   sixpack13 wrote:
>> > I would encourage you do that. Any half-decent MUA will do. I use
>> > Evolution, others people use Thunderbird, Claws, Mutt etc. It doesn't
>> > greatly matter.
>> >
>>
>> did that years ago and getting a head full of steam.
>> - Okay, it was the time where daily ~300 and more messages run though this
>> list. -
>
> That's what filters are for ...

Filters and email clients that can deal with threads.
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Re: strange behavior: it slows down and then recovers

[Andras Simon]

2019-10-07 3:08 GMT+02:00, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. :
> Been noticing the same thing on my F30 system as wellI don't think
> its FedoraI think its Mozilla's Firefox, this behavior also has hit
> my OpenSuSE and my CEntOS laptopssomething is eating up the RAM on
> them when Firefox is running...and it seems to go back to being snappy
> and fast once I close and then reopen FF, but after a few
> minutes?.it slows down again.

It's not necessarily a problem with FF: it may be due to an addon, or
a website that is doing some heavy computations locally.  If you have
lots of tabs open, you have lots of potential culprits.
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Re: root tutorials

[Andras Simon]

2019-06-19 15:28 GMT+02:00, Patrick Dupre :
> Hello,
>
> It seems that root must have some tutorials and test
>
> https://root.cern.ch/root/roottalk/roottalk99/1188.html
>
> I cannot find them.

Is this what you're looking for? (The link you gave points to 20 year old post.)

dnf info root-tutorial
Last metadata expiration check: 0:11:29 ago on Wed 19 Jun 2019 04:11:58 PM CEST.
Available Packages
Name : root-tutorial
Version  : 6.16.00
Release  : 5.fc30
Architecture : noarch
Size : 5.5 M
Source   : root-6.16.00-5.fc30.src.rpm
Repository   : updates
Summary  : ROOT tutorial scripts and test suite
URL  : https://root.cern/
License  : LGPLv2+
Description  : This package contains the tutorial scripts and test suite for
 : ROOT.
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Re: need something to fill in pdf forms.

[Andras Simon]

2019-06-07 6:02 GMT+02:00, Tim via users :
>
> Having never dealt with any such forms, I had a quick look, and found
> this example, which suggests Open Office can create them:
>
> http://foersom.com/net/HowTo/data/OoPdfFormExample.pdf
>
> Saved it, loaded it in Atril document viewer (in Mate), filled in some
> details, then saved a copy of the document.  I opened that copy, and it
> displays all the details that I typed in.

Works with evince and qpdfview also.
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Re: What to prune?

[Andras Simon]

2019-06-05 19:16 GMT+02:00, Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Wed, 2019-06-05 at 17:11 +, Beartooth wrote:
>> On Wed, 05 Jun 2019 02:06:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>> > On 05/06/2019 00:52, Beartooth wrote:
>> > >  I run Mate under F30. I assume Mate calls a lot of Gnome code
>> > > (most or all of what Gnome3 didn't change). So I never worry about
>> > > any
>> > > new app bringing Gnome stuff with it.
>>  []
>> > What are you looking to gain from this exercise?
>>
>>  Space (which I probably don't really need); celerity maybe;
>> slightly better security maybe (with fewer idle apps for some nogoodnik
>> to attack through); a little more play with my nice toys, which might
>> teach me something. You see why I wonder if it's worth it.
>
> None of KDE is going to be running unless you actually run it, either
> via one of its apps, or by using the Plasma desktop. The only thing
> you're going to save is space.

I think that Beartooth has a point.

1. What you don't have, doesn't cause problems later on (a
package can, even if it's never used, for example, by
causing various dependency problems). And can you
guarantee that there isn't some daemon/service running because of an
unused but installed package?

2. HDDs may be cheap, but SSDs are not. Bandwidth isn't either,
especially when one's on the road. And on an SSD, every upgrade
of a package means extra wear on the SSD. It may not be
significant for one extra package, but for the hundreds of
packages that KDE has, it may just be (although I hope it's not).

3. Even though HDDs are cheap, adjusting the size of the root
partition is not if you have bare ext4 partitions. (I've just
been bitten by this during an upgrade to f30. Thank God, no, the
developers, for the --downloaddir option to dnf.)

Each of these problems may have a separate solution. But isn't it much
easier not
to have them in the first place?

Just my 2 cents.

Andras
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Re: Fedora & MIDI - recommendations request

[Andras Simon]

2019-05-24 15:32 GMT+02:00, Max Pyziur :

> After reading some, I checked to see if I had the necessary software
> installed (I do).
>
> I then began working through your Rosengarden item. I connected my USB
> MIDI controller ((Akai LPK25).
>
> Started jackd, then qjacktl, and then Rosengarden.
>
> I loaded a MIDI file, pushed "play," and I get no sound. That's where I
> get stuck.

I think you need something, such as timidity++ which generates sounds.
If you have it running and connected to RG in qjackctl, but still get
no sound, then I'm sorry, I can't help But try asking on the
Linux-audio-user mailing list:
linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
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Re: PSA: All Firefox extensions are getting disabled, one by one

[Andras Simon]

2019-05-05 15:48 GMT+02:00, Sam Varshavchik :

> Important: set yourself a calendar reminder, oh, a week from now to turn
> both options back on. I'm just guessing that this dumpster fire will get
> sorted out before then, and you want to reenable it.

The first link you sent

https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/certificate-issue-causing-add-ons-to-be-disabled-or-fail-to-install/39047/13

has a workaround that  doesn't have this drawback:

Firefox Preferences -> Privacy & Security -> Allow Firefox to install
and run studies.
Undo this after restarting FF.

YMMV, but it worked for me.
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Re: alternative to pdftk

[Andras Simon]

2019-04-15 21:48 GMT+02:00, Patrick Dupre :
> Hello,
>
> What are the alternatives to pdftk?
> I need to rotate a pdf file.

There's pdf90 (part of texlive-pdfjam)  which, according to its man
page, "rotates the pages of files in the Adobe Portable Document
Format (PDF) through 90 degrees (anti-clockwise)".
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Re: How to disable CapsLock.

[Andras Simon]

2019-02-07 15:57 GMT+01:00, Erik P. Olsen :
> Is there a way to make CapsLock a dead key? I never use this key on purpose
> and it's
> irritating when I sometimes hit it without knowing, so I would rather have
> it doing
> nothing.

I use

xmodmap -e "keycode 66 =  NoSymbol"

for this. xev is useful for finding out the keycodes of various keys.
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Re: Debian vs Fedora

[Andras Simon]

2018-11-07 8:58 GMT+01:00, Ron Yorston :
> Matthew Miller wrote:
>>While I can't disagree with the general sentiment, I certainly hope Fedora
>>isn't being pigeonholed into "bleeding edge". Fedora also certainly "just
>>works".
>
> Except when it doesn't.  In the week since F29 was released I've
> been bitten by cron not working (1639381) and web pages not rendering
> (1646150).
>
> There's a tension between "bleeding edge" and "just works".  I think
> it's fair comment that Fedora tends towards the "bleeding edge".

This may be true (though you don't need to be near the bleeding edge
to have bugs).
But if you want more stability, why don't you wait a few months before
upgrading to the
latest release?
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Re: fc29 beta

[Andras Simon]

2018-09-29 10:18 GMT+02:00, John Pilkington :
> On 29/09/18 08:55, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Fri, 2018-09-28 at 15:46 -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote:
>>> On 9/28/18 3:13 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 On Fri, 2018-09-28 at 11:48 -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just upgraded one of my machines to FC29 Beta.  Looks
> pretty.  Haven't had a chance to play with it yet.
>
> -T
>
> Here are my upgrade notes;
>
>
> FC 28 -->> FC 29:
>
> # rpm --rebuilddb
> # rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
>  if anything is too new, do a
># dnf downgrade offender(s)
>
> # dnf --enablerepo=* update --refresh
> # dnf install python3-dnf-plugin-system-upgrade
> # dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=29 --allowerasing
> --best
> # dnf clean packages <-- optional
> # dnf system-upgrade reboot

 Wrong list. The Fedora Test list is the appropriate place.

 poc
>>>
>>> Are you sure?  I was just giving general information to the
>>> community as a whole.  I haven't tested anything yet
>>
>> F29 is not released. The guidelines for the User list state that it's
>> for discussion of the released version of Fedora (currently 28 and 27).
>> If you have comments on the future version the Test list is the place
>> to post them. Many people on the Test list do not read the User list
>> and won't see your comments, and cross-posting to multiple lists is
>> frowned on.
>>
>> poc
>
> I think this is too restrictive,  The procedures quoted are for users of
> FC28.

... who want to test the not yet released F29, and for whom there is
the Test list.

But anyway, you are free to create a fedora list with less stringent
restrictions on what counts as on topic.

Andras
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Re: Markdown viewer

[Andras Simon]

2018-09-27 19:34 GMT+02:00, stan :
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:38:12 +0100
> Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
>
>> I'm not familiar with vim plugins, but I copied
>> /usr/share/vim/vim81/syntax/markdown.vim to ~/.vim/plugin and fired up
>> vim with a .md file. It didn't seem to do anything (i.e. I just see
>> the raw Markdown). Am I missing something?
>
> I wonder if one of the ebook readers would work, FBReader or calibre.
> I know that I can read html files with FBReader.  The latest version
> has a quirk, it has to have a path in front of the name, but you could
> try
> FBReader ./[mdv file]
> or
> calibre [mdv file]

I suggest ebook-viewer (part of calibre) instead of calibre itself,
because the latter takes over your machine (I'm exaggarating, but not
much).
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Re: Dependency failed for Suspend

[Andras Simon]

2018-04-18 8:58 GMT+02:00, Neal Becker :
> Recently my system has been refusing to suspend.  How can I debug?
> (I've recently installed expressvpn, could this be the issue?)
> Here's what the log says:
>
> Apr 18 02:30:01 nbecker2 systemd[1]: Started Suspend.
> Apr 18 02:30:01 nbecker2 systemd[1]: sleep.target: Unit not needed anymore.
>
> Stopping.
> Apr 18 02:30:01 nbecker2 systemd[1]: Stopped target Sleep.
> Apr 18 02:30:01 nbecker2 systemd[1]: suspend.target: Bound to unit systemd-
> suspend.service, but unit isn't active.
> Apr 18 02:30:01 nbecker2 systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Suspend.
> Apr 18 02:30:01 nbecker2 systemd-logind[718]: Operation 'sleep' finished.
> Apr 18 02:30:01 nbecker2 systemd[1]: suspend.target: Job
> suspend.target/start failed with result 'dependency'.

FWIW, I see similar messages in the logs, but suspend works...
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Re: html to man page

[Andras Simon]

2018-04-05 0:29 GMT+02:00, Sam Varshavchik <mr...@courier-mta.com>:
> Andras Simon writes:
[...]
>> I can't resist recommending the late Erik Naggum's xml rant (one of
>> many):
>>
>> https://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html
>>
>> To whet your appetite, here's a short excerpt:
>>
>> "In many ways, the current American presidency and XML have much in
>> common.  Both have clear lineages back to very intelligent people.
>> Both demonstrate what happens when you give retards the tools of the
>> intelligent."
>
> I will agree with this, in some specific circumstances. For example: this is
>
> a perfect explanation for SOAP and WSDL.
>
> But, I find Docbook XML to be irreplacable, when it comes to writing
> technical documentation that serves as a single source of both manual pages
>
> and publishable HTML. And, it's infinitely hackable. Like I mentioned, with
>
> some hacking I can now easily embed links from my Docbook-based tutorials to
>
> Doxygen-generated C++ class documentation.


Then you should also read Erik Naggum's C++ rants.


But of course, most of us should stick to the tools we're comfortable
(or are required to work) with.
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Re: html to man page

[Andras Simon]

2018-04-04 13:53 GMT+02:00, Tim via users :
> Allegedly, on or about 2 April 2018, Cameron Simpson sent:
>> I have to say I've very -1 on anything that uses XML as a source
>> format for human written content. It is massively hostile to
>> authoring by hand.
>
> As I recall, it's meant to be human understandable (and editable with a
> plain text editor), but meant to be using XML editing software for
> actually creating it.

I can't resist recommending the late Erik Naggum's xml rant (one of many):

https://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-xmlrant.html

To whet your appetite, here's a short excerpt:

"In many ways, the current American presidency and XML have much in
common.  Both have clear lineages back to very intelligent people.
Both demonstrate what happens when you give retards the tools of the
intelligent."

And he wasn't even talking about Trump.
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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Andras Simon]

2018-03-19 20:08 GMT+01:00, Antonio Olivares :
> Thanks for helping me.  I am close but I get error:

[...]

dnf install unifont-font

(as root) will solve this problem.
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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Andras Simon]

2018-03-19 19:07 GMT+01:00, François Patte
:
>
> Here is MWE:
>
> \documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{article}
>
> \usepackage{fontspec}
> \newfontfamily{\uni}{Unifont}
>
> \begin{document}
>
> {\uni%
> \symbol{"26BD}
> }
>
> \end{document}
>
> This suppose that you have the unifont.ttf installed on your machine.

Thanks! To the OP: you should

dnf install unifont-font

and then you can xelatex François' example.
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Re: include unicode chars in TeX/LaTeX documents

[Andras Simon]

2018-03-19 17:01 GMT+01:00, Antonio Olivares :
>On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:04:26 AM CDT, François Patte
>  wrote:
>
>  Le 19/03/2018 à 15:12, Antonio Olivares a écrit :
>> Dear fellow fedora users,
>>
>> In including a soccer ball character in Unicode, I have found
>>
>> https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/26bd/index.htm
>>
>> And it works.  I try to include in latex document and the character does
>> not show up.  I have tried different variations
>> after \documentclass{article}
>> \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
>>
>> And none seem to work.  Is there an easy way to include Unicode chars in
>> latex.
>
> use xelatex
>
[...]
>
> How do I invoke it?  I have texlive 2017 full scheme installed.  I just use
> old latex+dvips+ps2pdf to create documents.

Invoking it is not the problem (just say 'xelatex yourtexfile.tex').
But I'd be surprised if this solved your problem. First, xelatex is
not exactly tex, so you'll probably have to change a few things at
least in the preamble of your document. Second, you need a font with
the soccerball character in it. If I had this problem, I'd use google.

Andras
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Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it

[Andras Simon]

2018-03-05 16:00 GMT+01:00, Temlakos :
> On 03/05/2018 09:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 03/05/18 22:45, Temlakos wrote:
>>> I've tried three times to download videos, and each time I'm getting a
>>> fatal error:
>>> "Name or service not known." How do I get past that?
>>
>> Do you think it is possible for anyone to answer that question without
>> your giving
>> specific examples of what you've done?
>>
>
> Try this:
>
> $ youtube-dl -i "https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8;



$ youtube-dl -i "https://youtu.be/mqbcEw7AkU8;
[youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Downloading webpage
[youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Downloading video info webpage
[youtube] mqbcEw7AkU8: Extracting video information
[download] Destination: David Hogg Supercollection-mqbcEw7AkU8.f247.webm
...

No problem here.
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Re: How to install the new Video Download Helper Companion App and have Firefox recognize it

[Andras Simon]

2018-02-23 13:48 GMT+01:00, Temlakos :
> Everyone:
>
> Firefox crippled most of its extensions beginning with Version 57. (Why
> they borrowed technology from Google, I'll never know.) The developers
> of the Video Download Helper responded by creating a Companion Application.
>
> I have tried installing that application dozens of times. But /Firefox
> refuses to recognize it/. And without that recognition, VDH will not
> download most videos from YouTube. (Was that the idea?)
>
> Has anyone gotten that companion app to work? If so, how may I do it?

Works for me... I downloaded the tar.gz file and followed the instructions:

tar -xf net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.1.3-1_amd64.tar.gz -C ~
~/net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.1.3/bin/net.downloadhelper.coapp-linux-64
install --user

If you want to download videos from youtube, youtube-dl may be more convenient.

Andras
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Re: Which fedora package can read EPUB docs?

[Andras Simon]

2017-12-17 18:56 GMT+01:00, Porfirio Andres Paiz Carrasco
<porfiriop...@gmail.com>:
> On Dec 11, 2017 10:41 PM, "Andras Simon" <sza...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> fbreader or calibre . If you install calibre, use ebook-reader, not
> calibre itself, unless you want it to build (without asking for your
> permission, of  course) a database of all your documents.
>>
> Is it possible to split ebook-reader from calibre?
>
> The only reason why I install calibre is to be able to open epub files with
> ebook-reader. Calibre automatic database generation is annoying.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a split here, but it's easy
to just not start calibre, and use ebook-reader (and the incredibly
useful ebook-convert) as standalone programs instead.
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Re: Which fedora package can read EPUB docs?

[Andras Simon]

You can check it with (un)zip.

On Dec 12, 2017 05:47, "JD" <jd1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanx.
> My ebook file seems to be corrupted, as /bin/FBReader producted an empty
> file.
>
>
> On 12/11/2017 09:40 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
>
>> fbreader or calibre . If you install calibre, use ebook-reader, not
>> calibre itself, unless you want it to build (without asking for your
>> permission, of  course) a database of all your documents.
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2017 04:51, "JD" <jd1...@gmail.com <mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Downloaded a freebie doc from Amazon,
>> and it is an EPUB document.
>> Wondering which app I need to install to
>> read such docs.
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Re: Which fedora package can read EPUB docs?

[Andras Simon]

fbreader or calibre . If you install calibre, use ebook-reader, not calibre
itself, unless you want it to build (without asking for your permission,
of  course) a database of all your documents.

On Dec 12, 2017 04:51, "JD"  wrote:

> Downloaded a freebie doc from Amazon,
> and it is an EPUB document.
> Wondering which app I need to install to
> read such docs.
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Re: End of i686 Support

[Andras Simon]

2017-09-05 5:14 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius <rc040...@freenet.de>:
> On 09/04/2017 07:18 PM, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2017-09-04 18:36 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius <rc040...@freenet.de>:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Actually, I'd recommend Fedora/RH to drop all other "secondary" archs,
>>> because they do not have a community user base.
>>
>> How do you know?
>
> - How many arm, s370, ppc or mips machines do you have around?
>Except of the arm - which some enthusiasts/hobbists may have -
>probably none.
>
> - How many ix86s have been sold?
>Probably 100s of millions, if not billions.
>
> - How many ix86s are still in use?
>Probably millions, most of them probably running Microsoft Windows.
>
>
> That said, I still have 3 of these around, so far having been running
> Fedora, but I am now looking for alternative distros because Fedora's
> leadership apparently is not willing to cater my personal needs.
>

To summarize, your answer is that you don't know. Me neither. All I
know is that I hate the idea of having to install and use some other
distro on my two x86 netbooks.
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Re: End of i686 Support

[Andras Simon]

2017-09-04 18:36 GMT+02:00, Ralf Corsepius :
>[...]
>
> Actually, I'd recommend Fedora/RH to drop all other "secondary" archs,
> because they do not have a community user base.

How do you know?
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Re: dnf going crazy?

[Andras Simon]

2016-12-07 13:48 GMT+01:00, Tom Horsley <horsley1...@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:39:13 +0100
> Andras Simon wrote:
>
>> Are you sure about this? It seems to work here with
>> bash-completion-2.1-8.20150513git1950590.fc23.noarch
>
> I suppose they could have fixed it at some point, but
> dnf (or maybe it was still yum at the time) was actually
> the final straw that led me to track down the existence
> of the bash completion nonsense and eradicate it
> from my system.
>
> It also goes rather insane in certain complicated
> circumstances involving bash aliases which invoke eval
> to generate a command.
>
> Plus, of course, never having any idea what TAB might
> actually do depending on the random characters you have typed
> previously is just utterly wrong and against the
> natural order of the universe :-).

It used to frustate me, too. But by now I've learned to live with it,
and even like it.
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Re: dnf going crazy?

[Andras Simon]

2016-12-07 12:27 GMT+01:00, Tom Horsley :
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:34:19 +
> Andy Blanchard wrote:
>
>> It doesn't *need* it, but apparently the packager thinks dnf is easier
>> to use with it installed which seems a bit arbitary.
>
> Actually, dnf is one of the commands that is most screwed
> up by bash-completion. The completion algorithm for dnf
> doesn't believe you can install rpm packages from the
> local filesystem, so filename completion after "dnf install"
> doesn't work.

Are you sure about this? It seems to work here with
bash-completion-2.1-8.20150513git1950590.fc23.noarch
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Re: F25: Howto remove wayland from Fedora Workstation (gnome)

[Andras Simon]

2016-11-23 18:06 GMT+01:00, Dario Lesca :
> ... Or finally disable it
>
> Wayland Do not work great like Xorg, and I do not have time to wait for
> all bugs are removed
>

Can't one simply dnf erase a few packages?

Andras
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Re: Umatrix Firefox Addon -

[Andras Simon]

2016-11-25 12:54 GMT+01:00, Bob Goodwin <bobgood...@fastmail.us>:
> On 11/25/16 05:23, Andras Simon wrote:
>> FWIW Umatrix works here on F23 with Firefox 50.
>>
>> Andras
> +
> Strange, one more reason for me to go
> back and try again. I certainly had a
> problem I never saw before, doing
> nothing out of the ordinary ...
>
> This is Fedora 25, began as the alpha
> version, updated everyday since
> initially installed, if that matters. I
> have two more computers to upgrade to
> F25, may try another one later today.

Perhaps you should first see if umatrix works with FF50 in F24.

Andras
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Re: Umatrix Firefox Addon -

[Andras Simon]

2016-11-25 1:47 GMT+01:00, Bob Goodwin :
> Does anyone know why Firefox no longer
> allows the umatrix addon, not since the
> update to Firefox 50 two days ago.
> Umatrix was removed and would not
> install. I had to downgrade to Firefox
> 49 and install a copy from the umatrix
> web page to get it back again.

FWIW Umatrix works here on F23 with Firefox 50.

Andras
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Re: dnf system-upgrades wants to remove the running kernel

[Andras Simon]

2016-11-24 1:42 GMT+01:00, Jon LaBadie <jo...@jgcomp.com>:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:25:30PM +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> 2016-11-23 21:30 GMT+01:00, Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org>:
>> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 09:20:23PM +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> >> The same: it wants to remove that old kernel. But after booting again
>> >> the latest kernel and starting the upgrade, dnf wanted to erase the
>> >> old kernel, not the newest, running one. So I let it.
>> >> Now I'm sitting here with fingers crossed...
>> >
>> > Keep in mind that it's gonna reboot to do the actual package
>> > installation anyway.
>>
>> Right, so I was wrong: letting dnf remove the only working f23 kernel
>> wouldn't have been risky; it would've led to disaster.
>>
>> Thanks for pointing this out!
>
> What about temporarily increasing the number of retained kernels.
> I think the parameter is in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf, "installonly_limit=3".
>
> Raise it to say 6 so it will not deleted the currently running kernel.
> Later return it to default 3 or whatever you want.

It's too late now because the upgrade has already succeded (though I
may run into these issues again when I go to F25 or upgrade other
laptops) but this problem came up even when I had only one kernel
installed with installonly_limit=3.

Andras
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Re: dnf system-upgrades wants to remove the running kernel

[Andras Simon]

2016-11-23 21:30 GMT+01:00, Matthew Miller <mat...@fedoraproject.org>:
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 09:20:23PM +0100, Andras Simon wrote:
>> The same: it wants to remove that old kernel. But after booting again
>> the latest kernel and starting the upgrade, dnf wanted to erase the
>> old kernel, not the newest, running one. So I let it.
>> Now I'm sitting here with fingers crossed...
>
> Keep in mind that it's gonna reboot to do the actual package
> installation anyway.

Right, so I was wrong: letting dnf remove the only working f23 kernel
wouldn't have been risky; it would've led to disaster.

Thanks for pointing this out!

Andras
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