Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 10:25, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2012 11:13, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 08:20, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: would you PLEASE send replies only back to the list and ONLY to ONE incarnation of this list the first To and the Cc are useless in thunderbird you can even drag a reoply to list button to your icon-bar that can handle reply to mailing-lists for you Am 06.04.2012 13:07, schrieb Fernando Cassia: Are you talking to me?. I don´t use Thunderbird. I use Googl´s GMail (AJAX) web based client. I hit the reply button. That´s all there is to do to reply to an e-mail. This reply is sent via Gmail, I simply hit the Reply button - you will see that at this point the mail addresses I reply to are correct. However some elementary investigation shows that Philip Rhoades sent the message you originally replied on to fedora-l...@redhat.com, which means when you got it, Phillip's and the real list address were in the Reply-To header and fedora-l...@redhat.com was in the To header - which is why when you replied, it came up with all three addresses. That's not particularly bad mail client behaviour. My diagnosis is therefore that the original fail was not yours, although you could have trimmed those duplicate list addresses from your reply. Whether you trim the additional personal recipient is a matter of personal choice, because some people like their address in the message so they can easily track replies to them. Some people don't like this, whether due to childhood trauma or not. It wasn't particularly difficult for me to diagnose this, without resorting to ranting and name-calling, but then I do know a fair amount about mail hosting. The fix for this is to disable the old list address and bounce it with a message indicating the correct new list address, instead of forwarding it on to the real list address. It's been a while since the list hosting was moved, perhaps now it's worth severing the ties. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: really, as long you do not understand the headers in a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies of the same mails do not explain people the normal way Scroll up a few messages. I've already stated that the problem was in the headers of the message Phillip originally sent, not in Fernando's reply as you stated. I therefore suggest that you don't understand mail headers either and are not in the best moral position to continue this argument. I further suggest this thread stops now, as you're wasting everyone's bandwidth and bandwidth appears to be something you hold precious. Whatever the merits of either side, none of this relates to Fedora so perhaps it would be better taken off this list to some other venue. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 15:52, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 07.04.2012 16:48, schrieb Sam Sharpe: On 7 April 2012 14:57, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: really, as long you do not understand the headers in a mail and the fact the no one needs multiple copies of the same mails do not explain people the normal way Scroll up a few messages. I've already stated that the problem was in the headers of the message Phillip originally sent, not in Fernando's reply as you stated. I therefore suggest that you don't understand mail headers either and are not in the best moral position to continue this argument. this explains the additional @redhat.com address but this does not explain all 3 RCPT Ok, you're not getting this. Let me explain simply so that you understand and we can end this tedious argument you seem to want to spend a lot of effort on a weekend to perpetuate. There were three email addresses in the reply: 1) The sender of the message - whether he wants a reply or not is his personal preference, not yours so as you didn't originate the message, you have no grounds for argument. 2) The correct mailing list address - a reply should have gone here. 3) The old mailing list address - this should not have been in the headers, but the fact it was is not Fernando's fault. this is only the result of reply all which is (to say it clear) completly idiotic on a mailing-list, so do not explain me in what position i am if 50% of messages from this list which are a reply of a list-message are coming twice Clearly you aren't a Gmail user, perhaps you should investigate it, it would give you something to do that isn't starting pointless flame wars. I have precisely one Reply button, which on a correctly sent mailing list post replies to only the list address. Fernando has the same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit Reply to All - he has no such option. So let me put it bluntly, you blamed the wrong person for the error here, you haven't yet apologised for that public mistake and you are still acting like an ass. Grow up. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 17:21, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: some stuff Hi, You don't get my point; you seem to want to keep an argument going. I don't understand why, but I know for certain you can't sustain an argument on your own, so I'll just cut you off at this end. Have a pleasant weekend. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 19:21, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 2012-04-07 at 17:07 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: Fernando has the same on his Gmail I would guess, so he didn't hit Reply to All - he has no such option. Actually Gmail has both Reply and Reply to All. What it doesn't have is Reply to List. That's one reason I access my lists via Evolution, even though my account is on Gmail. Where precisely does it have those options? Here are the options I have to reply to your email: http://i40.tinypic.com/2vtqdk5.jpg -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 20:04, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: well, reply is enough to act correct each list-message has a Reply-To-header so everyone even with gmail must be ignorant to say it is not the fault of the user - X-BeenThere: users@lists.fedoraproject.org snip Errors-To: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fascinating as these headers are, lets look back at the headers of the message Fernando replied to and you called him out for bad etiquette: To: Fedora List fedora-l...@redhat.com Reply-To: p...@pricom.com.au, Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do you acknowledge that those headers, when replying might cause you to send your reply to three addresses? Do you understand why that is? Do you understand why highlighting Fernando for poor etiquette was the wrong thing to do when the problem is with the list itself. Do you perhaps feel in any way you should publicly apologise for being wrong and smearing someone's name? Nope, I thought not - Everyone's wrong but you I guess. I also think you have just described me as ignorant for using Gmail. Thanks for that. This is you I presume: http://www.rhsoft.net/show_content.php?sid=2 This is me: http://www.linkedin.com/in/samsharpe Given that one of us is a senior engineer for a rather large managed hosting company and probably spends 50% of his time dealing with mail issues for thousands of customers and the other one is you, precisely what is your grounds for calling me ignorant of mail issues? Actually don't answer that, I probably don't care what you think as it will probably be a long message about how I am wrong. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 23:03, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: so no, you can not impress me with any reference and the fact that you stil do not understand why reply all is idiotic (to say it clear) shows that you are one more of the big but failing At no point have I discussed whether reply to all is correct or incorrect. At no point have I disagreed or agreed with you on this. You do not know my feelings on this, it has not been a point of discussion between us. Please don't attribute viewpoints to me that you think I should hold because it gives you reason to disagree with me. I simply stated that you were wrong to call out one single user for bad etiquette, given that their reply method was reasonable given the headers of the message. If you didn't want to make this personal, I don't see why you named one person in your original email. The reply had 3 recipients because firstly the Reply-To named the list and the OP and secondly the To named an alias for the list. One was a technical fail by the list software for having that alias, the second was exactly as specified in the Reply-To header. Are you really arguing this point? If it was just a Reply it would have gone to the OP and to the list (two addresses) and apparently that's still unacceptable to you and wrong by your definition. All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name dropping Wietse and grow up, you are 34 years old, so start acting it. I only dropped my credentials in there because you called me ignorant by implication, but apparently I'm now ignorant because I work for a big company, even though if you checked you'd see we aren't failing. Ho hum. Good luck with your career. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 23:36, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 08.04.2012 00:28, schrieb Sam Sharpe: All I want is for you to agree that you were wrong to make that initial personal accusation and to get on with you life, stop name dropping Wietse and grow up, you are 34 years old, so start acting it. I only dropped my credentials in there because you called me ignorant by implication, but apparently I'm now ignorant because I work for a big company, even though if you checked you'd see we aren't failing. Ho hum. Good luck with your career. initial personal accusation Yes, in this thread you named one particular user in your first (initial) message. Do you need me to quote it for you? why do you think i changed the subject? why do you think i changed the subject to a generic one? I checked back, I don't see you apologising on the thread before you changed the subject. Could you point that out for me, just for the record? do you not realize that my change of the subject was to generic show by a specific eample in the form of some headers what is going wrong? Do you not realise that message threading is via Message-ID, In-Reply-To and References headers and not via the Subject? Changing the subject has little relevance to how mail clients thread the messages. But then I'm guessing you're going to say that's wrong too. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: how to use a mailing-list
On 7 April 2012 23:56, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: so may have not - but the will even not if you paint them a picture - so hwat exactly is your danmed problem? I've been trying to work out what your problem is all day, you started this thread, not me. You could have ended it right after I pointed out what the technical problem with the list was, but you kept arguing something, anything. unbelieveable how every single technical fact is growing to a really large thread by some idiots who research every single word of every post while too stupid to understand the context Again, you've called me an idiot. Please do cite relevant facts to back that up, otherwise the only person who looks like a childish idiot here is you. I don't research every word of your posts - you flatter yourself if you think I spend that much time on you - I just know what I'm talking about and I restrict myself to my areas of competence, I wish others did the same. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: System transit time, Latency -
On 7 April 2012 23:41, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote: Putting that address into mtr system2 produces the same complaint. [bobg@box7 ~]$ mtr system2 --address 10.73.255.21 Failed to resolve host: Name or service not known Do you have a host called system2 on your network? That looks like mtr can't look up the name system2 which would be as expected if it doesn't exist. I would expect you to just do mtr cnn.com. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: About expelling Linda and similar people
On 5 January 2012 19:25, M. Fioretti mfiore...@nexaima.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 18:34:42 PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote: Threads like this are completely useless and annoying, right from the beginning. Because, if you don't like to read someone, just use a filter or ignore the mails. Please don't embarass yourself by replying to messages without reading them entirely. Had you actually read what I posted, you would know very well that: I agree with your sentiment and read your initial post in this thread, however you may wish to embrace the TL;DR mentality that is common on mailing lists. Learning to embrace it helps one write short and direct posts, which are read more often. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Frostwire execution problem
On 30 September 2011 23:35, mickey binary...@comcast.net wrote: I installed frostwire and executed same and got error, can someone tell what this error message means. This isn't a Fedora Package, so I'm thinking you are asking for help in the wrong place. Try asking on a FrostWire user list. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: mount ntfs, then nfs export it - empty folder shown on client
On 29 August 2011 14:22, David Timms dti...@iinet.net.au wrote: I setup nfs export of /home/ to 192.168.16.104 Client: - ip=192.168.16.104 - mount -t nfs4 192.168.16.111:/ /home/dtnotebook/ - ls -l /home/dtnotebook shows the folders including c-drive that are present on the server - ls -l /home/dtnotebook/c-drive shows no files nor folders present. There are two relevant options for /etc/exports, but I will quote directly from man(5) exports about crossmnt - you can investigate nohide if you wish yourself. crossmnt This option is similar to nohide but it makes it possible for clients to move from the filesystem marked with crossmnt to exported filesystems mounted on it. Thus when a child filesystem B is mounted on a parent A, setting crossmnt on A has the same effect as setting nohide on B. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RHEL6 Wallpapers
On 29 August 2011 17:47, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 08/29/2011 11:06 AM, Lázaro Morales wrote: Hello, I like so much RHEL6 artwork, Is there any place where I can download the RHEL6 default wallpapers? i am using fedora and scientific linux. being that scientific linux is a rhel clone, have a look at these links; http://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/6.1/i386/os/Packages/ http://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/6.1/x86_64/os/Packages/ search both 'background' and 'wallpaper'. packages should be same, but you never can tell. No they shouldn't. In fact they should specifically differ, because the requirements from Red Hat when cloning their distro is that you remove _their_ branding from it and use your own. So you will note in the SL 6.0 release notes, that several packages have changed: http://www.scientificlinux.org/distributions/6x/rnotes/sl-release-notes-6.0.html#changed In particular: redhat-logos Changed all trademarked icons and pictures. Changed styles of items such as background, gdm, and kdm to change the tradedress style. If you want the Red Hat desktop background, then you need to get it from Red Hat - it can be found in the redhat-logos SRPM package on their website. I would link you to it, but I don't feel comfortable redistributing their branded items either. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RHEL6 Wallpapers
On 29 August 2011 19:14, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 08/29/2011 05:03 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: that several packages have changed: http://www.scientificlinux.org/distributions/6x/rnotes/sl-release- \ notes-6.0.html#changed i am also familiar with that page and i can only say that we interpret it differently. I'm confused. That page specifically says that the redhat-logos package, which contains the desktop backgrounds the OP is referring to has been changed, and the copyrighted artwork removed. How do you interpret that page differently? -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I think we need a discussion
On 29 August 2011 21:08, David L. Gehrt d...@inanity.net wrote: For me it is not just that the Gnome2 environment is being replaced with a new version, it is that this new version, Gnome3, was seemingly developed without much consideration of how the former version, Gnome2, was being used and then imposed on users. Gnome3 is what it is and while you may disagree with it, the Gnome developers had reasons (which you may or may not agree with) to make that shift. At this point, it is too late. You have two options: 1) Work with Gnome to mold Gnome3 into something that works for you (i.e. contribute) 2) Go elsewhere. Personally, I chose to go elsewhere, as I don't need the shiny effects and they don't play well on my triple-head setup, but that was my choice - you may choose option 1, as I would have done if Gnome3 actually partially worked for me. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: RHEL6 Wallpapers
On 29 August 2011 22:49, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 08/29/2011 08:46 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: On 29 August 2011 19:14, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 08/29/2011 05:03 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: that several packages have changed: http://www.scientificlinux.org/distributions/6x/rnotes/sl-release- \ notes-6.0.html#changed i am also familiar with that page and i can only say that we interpret it differently. I'm confused. That page specifically says that the redhat-logos package, which contains the desktop backgrounds the OP is referring to has been changed, and the copyrighted artwork removed. How do you interpret that page differently? in that not all artwork has rh, rhel and such names or logos in them, as is mentioned in the 'change' portion. what you were saying, not quoting, but in general/inferring, that all artwork will have such copyright in them. maybe using term 'interpret' should have been different. No, what I said was that that package has been changed and actually I knew that the backgrounds were included in the change, although I didn't state that directly. I wasn't inferring that everything in the package is different, although it could be because the entire reason that Red Hat package most of their branding in that RPM is to make it easy to swap out. Check out /usr/share/backgrounds/1280x1024_dawn.png in the following archives: http://ftp1.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/6.1/SRPMS/sl6-changed/redhat-logos-60.0.14-2.sl6.4.src.rpm ftp://ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/enterprise/6Workstation/en/os/SRPMS/redhat-logos-60.0.14-1.el6.src.rpm Are you saying those are the same? what ever, artwork is covered by 'fsf' licensing and there should be a lot in sl packages that is in rhel packages. Nope, the artwork in RHEL is not necessarily covered by 'fsf' licensing (whatever that is). It's covered by whatever Red Hat license it under. whats more, because it is graphical, there are ways of removing what is there. gimp is only one of the great linux graphics programs that can be used to remove what may be protected. i hope that clears up any confusion or misunderstanding. Those backgrounds have been changed, as evidenced above. I'm not really sure what point you are making here, so I am still confused. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I think we need a discussion
On 30 August 2011 06:34, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 08/29/2011 10:13 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: XFDE is a nice lightweight desktop environment. I'm not sure I've ever heard of it. Are you sure you don't mean XFCE? I thought we were talking about XPDE: http://kylixapps.narod.ru/ -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Make acroread the default application for pdf in Fedora 15 gnome
On 20 August 2011 23:05, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 13:15 -0700, Gordon Charrick wrote: Does anyone know how to do this? answer would depend upon which desktop manager you use Subject: Make acroread the default application for pdf in Fedora 15 gnome I would tentatively assume Gnome? -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Where's the Junk
On 25 July 2011 23:27, Chris Kottaridis chris...@quietwind.net wrote: On Mon, 2011-07-25 at 17:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: There is no Junk mailbox. Junk is a virtual folder (similar to Trash but not identical). Junk mail is labelled as such on the IMAP server. Email clients that don't handle IMAP labels correctly will just see it as normal mail, since it's still in the Inbox. OK, I figured it was something like that, a stupid cell phone client. Still be interested in knowing where the INBOX is in a Maildir environment. In dovecot.conf I have: [Maildir]# ls AA-inbox dovecot.index.cache dovecot-uidvalidity.4d1ac993 Sent Accounts dovecot.index.log Fitness subscriptions Boating dovecot.index.log.2 Group Admin Sysadmin Computing dovecot-keywords Investing tmp Contacts dovecot.mailbox.log Linux Trash cur dovecot-uidlist Misc Trucks dovecot.index dovecot-uidvalidity new XSpam The AA-inbox is not it, that's a folder I created. So, it's not really obvious out of this where the INBOX is. The Inbox is: Maildir/cur/ - read messages Maildir/new/ - unread messages You'll notice that the other folders themselves have cur and new folders, representing the same subset of messages in each IMAP folder. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Apps Virtualization with OpenSource?
On 3 July 2011 13:57, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Sun, Jul 03, 2011 at 03:25:39 -0500, Manuel Escudero jmlev...@gmail.com wrote: As maybe I can't run a VM in all the computers that I might have access to and because Wine Can't Emulate some programs correctly, I Know the solution is using the cloud to carry my apps with me, I was wondering if there is a Free Service (Better if it's opensource) to run my Windows apps from the server in my Linux Machines or if I can mount a server with free/opensource technologies that give me that option. is it possible? What should I use? Have you taken a look at openshift (https://openshift.redhat.com/app/)? How exactly does that help? Running Windows is not one of the features of Red Hat's PaaS offering. To answer the OP's question, there is unlikely to be a free service that allows you to run Windows Apps in the Cloud, because they would have to pay Microsoft for the Windows licencing fees. There are many companies that will rent/sell you a Windows virtual machine, to which you could connect via Remote Desktop from Linux (tsclient/rdesktop will do it) and you could install your applications there - but checking my own employer's prices, it looks like that would cost you about $60 per month - mostly because they don't offer Windows 7 or XP - only Server 2008. Of course you could reduce that cost by not running it permanently (as they are usually billed hourly for the time the machine is running), but it's still going to cost money. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /.autofsck continually updated every reboot
On 3 July 2011 22:29, jackson byers byers...@gmail.com wrote: Any advice re /.autofsck? Does its continual reappearance indicate a problem? http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-list/2004-November/msg02920.html ### The /.autofsck file is created by the system automatically at boot time by the /etc/rc.sysinit script by simply touching the file. It has no content. The logic behind it is, that if the host went down not properly (i.e. power loss) the /etc/rc.sysinit script will find this .autofsck file at next boot time and the system can act with a default scenario or like configured within the file /etc/sysconfig/autofsck. If the hosts shuts down or reboots properly, then the .autofsck file will be erased by the /etc/init.d/halt script and no automatic filesystem check will happen next boot. I think this answers the 3 questions by Ralf. The file is generated by /etc/rc.sysinit, used by the system to know about no proper shutdowns and you should leave the file as it is. There is not any need to delete it. Btw. the /.autofsck file mechanism is used in all Fedora releases since FC1. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Gnome Q: Application window save-data for restore when reopened?
On 3 July 2011 22:35, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: I am sorry if this question was asked before, but I was wondering why is it, that most app- lication's main window do not restore it's last save-data the next time it is opened? Because you are using Gnome ? and Gnome 3 even gets rid of the bits of it they didn't manage to hose before. I run XFCE, generally speaking all my apps re-appear almost immediately. One or two don;'t seem to set proper session info but most get it right. A useful experiment in your case might be to run XFCE and see if your apps then come back when you restart - it'll tell you if its the apps or the desktop are your root cause, and that tells you where to file the relevant bugs. I think you are answering the wrong problem. That would be the debug steps for the my Desktop Session doesn't save question, which is slightly different to the Why don't my applications remember their last position and size when started ;o) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /.autofsck continually updated every reboot
On 3 July 2011 23:03, jackson byers byers...@gmail.com wrote: Sam Sharpe wrote The /.autofsck file is created by the system automatically at boot time by the /etc/rc.sysinit script by simply touching the file. It has no content. The logic behind it is, that if the host went down not properly (i.e. power loss) the /etc/rc.sysinit script will find this .autofsck file at next boot time and the system can act with a default scenario or like configured within the file /etc/sysconfig/autofsck. If the hosts shuts down or reboots properly, then the .autofsck file will be erased by the /etc/init.d/halt script and no automatic filesystem check will happen next boot. I think this answers the 3 questions by Ralf. The file is generated by /etc/rc.sysinit, used by the system to know about no proper shutdowns and you should leave the file as it is. There is not any need to delete it. I had already seen this. Nothing in there is consistent with my case. My reboots look normal, so system should erase ./autofsck, but it doesnt. There is no fsck activity during the boot at least none I can see. I think you misunderstand then. The file is created at startup and removed during normal shutdown. *If* the system incurs an abnormal shutdown or crash, then the file would not be deleted. If the file is detected at startup, _then_ the system will perform an fsck. So it is normal for this file to exist while the system is running normally. If you really want to test this, shut down your system normally and then boot it from a livecd - I suspect if you examine the root filesystem, you will find that the .autofsck file has been deleted. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora Security and the Uverse 3800HGV-B router
On 2 July 2011 22:20, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On my machine, when I disable javascript, it is unable to display my files. I understand that the browser is supposed to be able to display your files with the file:/// URL. I just was not expecting my router to issue a javascript to to access my files. And my concern is that any web site can issue a javascript to access personal files; and most people are unaware of this, because they are not techies, and do not understand what javascripts are capable of doing. I don't think you understand. Your browser can access your local files. It is doing so via a file:/// URL. This is not a problem with javascript, this is a feature of your browser. To check this, please type in file:/// into your browsers address bar manually and you will see that there is no difference in the behaviour. I repeat, this is not a javascript problem and you are getting hysterical over nothing. It is not a security risk because it is showing you the files you have access to on your machine. Javascript has absolutely nothing to do with it apart from sending *you* to the URL. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 End of Life - STILL can't update to F15
On 27 June 2011 21:33, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation System Controller Hub (SCH Poulsbo) Graphics Controller (rev 07) (It is working fine with F13). While I can't offer you a solution (I've never used that Chipset), I can tell you that this is what the problem is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMA_500#GMA_500 ### GMA 500 support on Linux is not optimal. The driver is developed by Tungsten Graphics, not by Intel, and the graphic core is not an Intel one, but is licensed from PowerVR. This has led to an uncertain mix of open and closed source 3d accelerated drivers, instability and lack of support. Ubuntu supports GMA500 (Poulsbo) through the ubuntu-mobile and gma500 repositories on Launchpad. Support is present for 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10 and in an experimental way for 10.04 and 10.10, but the installation procedure is not as simple as other drivers and can lead to many bugs.[76] Joli OS, a Linux based OS optimized for netbooks, has a driver for the GMA500 built in. PixieLive, a GNU/Linux live distribution optimized for GMA500 netbooks, it can boot from USB Pendrive, SD Card or HardDisk. Intel releases official Linux drivers through the IEGD (Intel Embedded Graphic Driver) supporting some Linux distributions dedicated to the embedded market. GMA500 is capable of running well in Ubuntu 9.10 with Compiz visual effects activated.[77] In November 2009, the Linux Foundation released the details of a new, rewritten Linux driver that would support this chipset and Intel's other upcoming chipsets. The Direct Rendering Manager and X.org parts would be free software, but the 3D component (using Gallium3D) will still be proprietary.[78] ### Poulsbo doesn't have good support, because it's one of the few non-intel Intel-branded GPUs and it's not supported by the intel driver. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: need f10 live xfce
On 22 June 2011 21:27, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com wrote: At any rate I'm not going to install XP (which does install) so I'd like to revert to f10, which I know fits. Can anybody point me to a copy of f10-xfce or f10-live-xfce? Was there defniitely an F10 XFCE spin? If you're insistent on an XFCE Spin, you could try this: http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/spins/linux/releases/13/Spins/i686/ If you can live with a regular F10 Live CD, installed to disk and then XFCE added later: http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/10/Live/i686/ If you want to customise during install and add XFCE, try the netinst.iso: http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i686/ -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How do I point a mail client at Microsoft outlook?
On 21 June 2011 22:04, Michael Hennebry henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu wrote: The problem is Linux vs. Microsoft Exchange 5.5 . The help desk guy tells me that he will try to get IMAP enabled on my account. He does not guaranty success. Is there anything Linux that will talk to Microsoft Exchange 5.5? Have you looked at DavMail? http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ I run it on my machines - it provides a local IMAP/POP3/SMTP/CalDAV gateway which proxies to the Exchange Web Interface. It really is rather good, although I have to admit that I've not tried it against something as old as Exchange 5.5 (is that even still supported? - we're talking about pre-2003 here...) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15, Gnome 3 and Mouse Pointer Size
On 2 June 2011 02:56, david grant d...@david-grant.com wrote: Is there a way of increasing the pointer size, an option that is in Gnome2? I have googled away but cannot find any reference to such an option. Either I have missed something simple or the option has been removed. Have you investigated gnome-tweak-tool? - I believe it can change the cursor theme # yum install gnome-tweak-tool Applications - Accessories - Tweak Advanced Settings - Interface - Cursor Theme Of course you will need to find a cursor theme with a larger cursor though! -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15, Gnome 3 and Mouse Pointer Size
On 5 June 2011 10:27, Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote: On 06/05/2011 10:38 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote: On 2 June 2011 02:56, david grantd...@david-grant.com wrote: Is there a way of increasing the pointer size, an option that is in Gnome2? I have googled away but cannot find any reference to such an option. Either I have missed something simple or the option has been removed. Have you investigated gnome-tweak-tool? - I believe it can change the cursor theme # yum install gnome-tweak-tool Applications - Accessories - Tweak Advanced Settings - Interface - Cursor Theme Of course you will need to find a cursor theme with a larger cursor though! Hi Sam, did you really mean gnome-tweak-tool? It has no such menus as you described. The submenus I found were: Fonts, File Manager, Interface, Shell and Windows :-) Well, I could have been more clear... I was using shorthand for everything from the Gnome-Shell to the correct tab in gnome-tweak-tool. From Gnome, you find the tool with Applications - Accessories - Tweak Advanced Settings, then once you are in, you navigate to Interface - Cursor Theme -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Yum update from Fedora 14 - 15 WARNING! UPDATE
On 31 May 2011 18:33, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 05/31/2011 02:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Incidentally, isn't it time the Fedora developers gave up this passion for DVDs? Does anyone burn DVDs to install Fedora today? Half the new machines I see don't have DVD drives anyway. Surely everyone has a big enough USB stick? Why not be honest, and take that as the default? Not everybody has a brand-new machine. Not everybody even has one that can boot off of USB. I can remember when Fedora stopped providing a CD version and I didn't have a DVD drive. (Nor, I might add, the money to buy one because they were still quite expensive.) I had to find a third-party website that had broken the DVD up into CDs. Just because you don't like DVDs doesn't mean that they (and CDs) aren't still important to a large fraction of Fedora users. I think you'll find Timothy said take that as the default, not stop releasing the DVD version. I for one would like more prominence to the USB image and methods of creating it on the Fedora install pages, just because a tleast two of the machines I generally install it on don't have a CD/DVD drive (all of our Office machines lack them). -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: a project idea... help needed!
On 23 May 2011 22:08, Matthew Byrd m...@byrdits.com wrote: The basics.. you have an icon in the notification area of gnome or in the system menu.. click on the icon then you have a list of your hosts or groups or whatever, once you click on any one of the hosts or groups, you're prompted to choose the action you want to perform on the host or group. All the actions are simple templates with parameters so they're all open and modifiable. You can add more hosts or remove hosts, etc. I need something like this bad because my shell scripts are now in the hundreds and I'd rather be able to quickly do things to groups with my desktop. If you want my advice, I would start by engaging with SSHMenu and it's developers - it may be that the features you propose might be worth integrating into the applet they already have, or you may find someone there who can help you with developing it: http://sshmenu.sourceforge.net/ You may also be able to adapt much of what you currently do to work with SSHMenu - you never know until you try it! -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: security in firefox4
On 17 May 2011 21:35, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I read somewhere that Firefox 4 contains a feature that prevents websites from grabbing your local information. If that is true could some on tell me how to activate this feature in Firefox 4 If you mean Do Not Track, then that would be this: Tools - Options - Advanced - General - Tell web sites I do not want to be tracked. http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/767746 -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FireFox 4: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
On 1 May 2011 21:15, Tim Evans tkev...@tkevans.com wrote: Newly installed Fedora 14 # uname -a Linux osprey.tkevans.com 2.6.35.12-90.fc14.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Apr 22 16:01:29 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux FireFox 4 (downloaded directly from mozilla.com) reports the above error, even though the shared library file is right there: # find /usr -depth -name libdbus-glib-1.so.2 -ls 792651 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Apr 23 10:59 ./lib64/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 - libdbus-glib-1.so.2.1.0 What am I missing? Quite probably the 32bit version of that Library (and possibly others). Try finding the owning RPM with rpm -qif /usr/lib64/libdbus-glib-1.so.2.1.0 and then installing the i386 version with yum install foo.i386. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)
On 18 April 2011 21:58, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/18/2011 11:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote: But the OP seems not to have taken this road :) And wisely, IMO. Not because it's not a good idea but because doing that would require him to trust the hosting company, and I think they've already proven themselves to be untrustworthy. Moving to a new company (and making sure that this time the contract *requires* them to install a more current OS) is probably his safest option at this point. Even so, see as Fedora becomes OLD in about a 18 to 36 months, what hosting company is going to agree to update the system? Not very many! The good ones? Slicehost has already been mentioned - that generally offers the latest versions of Fedora and Ubuntu pretty rapidly. Rackspace Cloud offers roughly the same, only it takes slightly longer.In my experience, it is the good hosting companies (often at the more expensive end of the market) who devote resources to this. If you're in the Managed Hosting business (Slicehost isn't), it generally takes you a bit longer to release new versions as you have to qualify the releases with your other tools - the Hosting company I work for has only just qualified/released RHEL 5.6 (available Jan 13th) as it takes that long to qualify it with things like external storage and backup system vendors. However that same hosting company will happily install Fedora or CentOS or Ubuntu or Gentoo if you ask, but we don't support it in the way we would with RHEL as it's not qualified with all the 3rd party vendors we use. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)
On 18 April 2011 22:46, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/18/2011 02:21 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: On 18 April 2011 21:58, JDjd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/18/2011 11:46 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/18/2011 09:22 AM, JD wrote: But the OP seems not to have taken this road :) And wisely, IMO. Not because it's not a good idea but because doing that would require him to trust the hosting company, and I think they've already proven themselves to be untrustworthy. Moving to a new company (and making sure that this time the contract *requires* them to install a more current OS) is probably his safest option at this point. Even so, see as Fedora becomes OLD in about a 18 to 36 months, what hosting company is going to agree to update the system? Not very many! The good ones? good ones as in $$ per year? :) Two familiar adages: 1) You get what you pay for. 2) There's no such thing as a free lunch. I use Slicehost and Rackspace Cloud - they are both very reasonably priced... -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Upgrade Fedora 6 to 14 (remotely)
On 18 April 2011 23:07, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/18/2011 02:57 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/18/2011 02:46 PM, JD wrote: good ones as in $$ per year? :) You may not always get what you pay for, but you almost never get what you don't pay for. Going with the cheapest possible hosting service means that you get little if any support included and (as we see here) you may get stuck with an obsolete OS because keeping current costs money (If nothing else, it takes time and bandwidth to download, burn and test new install DVDs. It also takes having somebody who's job description includes watching for new releases.) and a low-end hosting company is going to cut costs any and every way it can. Guys, I do not mean to say that the hosting copanies that are good are NOT worth the cost. I only meant you have to shell out what they ask. However, I will stick to my guns that negotiating with the hosting company to provide at least two drives that will let you do your own remote installation and boot the drive you want from the grub menu. You can always install on the second drive, and still be able to boot from the default driver and select the new installation from the grub menu. This is an excellent solution to a rather simple problem. Sure, they will ask for a one time charge for the drive and the installation thereof. But to these hosting companies, all those drives are virtual anyhow - they are allocated from a large pool of storage servers, so adding one more drive to a hosted machine (which is probably also virtual) should not be such a big deal. Slicehost and RS Cloud don't give you that option. It's not a blocker to installing a new OS (I upgraded my slices from F12 to F13, before they offered it, remotely) but it's a Xen VM. The kernel actually lives outside the VM and with Slicehost you can select the boot kernel as an option, with RS Cloud you can't. The issue is that while the disks are backed up elsewhere, the storage often lives locally on your particular hypervisor and the sales are on the basis that a particular sized machine will also have a particular sized disk - as you can't overcommit memory in a Xen VM, the ratio of the disk sizes you get for each slice vs total disk is also the same ratio as the memory allocated vs the memory installed. So for example to get a 256MB slice with two disks, you'd have to go with 2 x 5GB disks vs the current 10GB disk to make it economical for the hosting company. I could bore you to death on the economics, but I won't ;o) If you move into Managed Hosting dedicated server then the disks allocated are what is physically installed in the machine you are renting. Some companies grant OOB access so you can see the Grub prompt and hence if you paid for 2 sets of disks, you could have this option, not all companies do that. Mine for example could, but it would mean that every physical machine wasted an extra IP for OOB management that 95% of people wouldn't use... ARIN/RIPE/APNIC wouldn't like that, expecially right now ;o) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: iptables questions
On 17 April 2011 20:33, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 04/17/2011 12:02 PM, JD wrote: All 3 addresses belong to google. Just do whois 1e100.net Domain Name: 1e100.net Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com Yes, Google is the administrative and technical contact, but it looks like marakmonitor.com is trying to hack your machine, not Google. No, it's Google: http://www.webmasterworld.com/google/4050443.htm 1e100 is the scientific notation of 10^100 aka one Googol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googol) MarkMonitor is just the brand agency they are using to register the name and protect their global brand. As to what it's doing, I don't know - it sounds like it's sending traffic from port 995 to your machine because you are connecting to GMail. It's entirely possible that because gmail is composed of millions of different machines, those packets are coming back not from the machine you are directly connected to and hence aren't hitting your ESTABLISHED,RELATED rules. You'd need plug a packet capture into something like Wireshark and look at the conversation to know what those packets are supposed to be. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Script to extract data -
On 15 April 2011 09:34, Bob Goodwin bobgood...@wildblue.net wrote:
I am not familiar with sed and the commands are overwhelming [to
me]. Man sed hasn't helped ... I am interested.
Perhaps you can tell me what's wrong?
Wrong tool for the job... sed is not something geared to processing XML.
sam@server:~$ cat foo.xml | ./foo-process
Actual Usage Upload : 1094
Usage Threshold Upload : 5000
Actual Usage Download : 12012
Usage Threshold Download : 17000
sam@server:~$ cat foo-process
#!/usr/bin/python
from xml.dom.minidom import parse, parseString
import sys
foo = parse(sys.stdin)
for item in foo.getElementsByTagName(set):
print '%-30.30s: %s' % (item.getAttribute('name'),item.getAttribute('value'))
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Re: QR code login through GDM?
On 1 April 2011 20:43, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-04-01 at 21:02 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote: Hi Guys, The question is simple: is there any possibility to use login with Cam and QR code? The question would be even simpler if you didn't use obscure acronyms. I think you are showing your age here... QR Codes are not particularly obscure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QR_code - You've probably seen them around, you just didn't know what they were called. Those of us with modern Cell Phones will find these partilcularly familiar... they are certainly in common usage in the Tech community. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons
On 21 March 2011 23:46, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 03/21/2011 04:23 PM, suvayu ali wrote: Whereas in a proper root shell aren't you prone to grave mistakes due to silly things like typos, forgot where I am in the directory tree like errors? First, I only use su - if and *only* if I have to, to avoid those embarrassing where was I? moments. (I also use pwd if I'm not completely sure.) Second, before I do anything as root, I read over the command several times to be sure. And, before deleting *anything* as root, I use ls to see exactly what I'm going to delete and I never delete anything *as root* without good reason. I routinely su immediately after logging into a server, because very little of what I do (I work Tech Support for a hosting company) can be done without root access. However I am also very very careful. I never delete anything, because I simply move it out of the way instead. I will always create a backup before changing a file and I never do *anything* without a backout plan. To take an example, today I moved 86000 messages in a Maildir into separate subfolders by date. That took me about 5 minutes, but I spent 15 minutes beforehand creating the tarball of the entire maildir as a backup before I made any changes. In summary, root access isn't the problem - it makes no difference if I make that mistake on the rare occasion I do su or if I su routinely and make the mistake once - it's the mistake that is the problem and hence being careful and having backups is the best defence. IOW, I'm very careful. I won't say that I can't make mistakes, but I can say that after using Linux as a secondary OS starting in about '98 and as my only OS since Fedora 9 I've learned how to avoid almost all of them. I tend to regard such things as simple, common prudence and expect the same from most of the people on this list. I agree with you. I see so many incidents where my Customers have done an rm -f . / instead of rm -rf ./ - simple checking your typing before hitting that mysterious enter key saves you from making the rookie mistakes. I have the experience to avoid them now, because this is what I do day in, day out, but I sympathise with people who make these errors simply because they lack my experience. I found myself, more and more, finding things obvious that nobody else understood or knew, simply because none of the other techs had anywhere near my experience. Considering how long I've been using Linux, this may well be simply another case of my not realizing how different my experience level is compared to the rest of the list. This is the same in any field. You need to routinely document your knowledge, so that in the inevitable man under a car incident (this actually happened to a co-worker), the knowledge survives. I've started documenting (after the fact) any helpful tips I pass on to a co-worker, simply because next time someone asks, I can point to that central resource instead of writing a full response. In time. searching that knowledgebase becomes first-nature for the newbies and I get less questions - so it has a selfish side ;o) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Direction of Fedora desktop manager Gnome, related to complaints in OT morons thread
On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote: begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora. No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. I'd like to step in here, as a heavy user of en_GB and say that the original form is correct *and* in common usage. I accept that it may not have made it into en_US yet (after 100 years or so, such a short time) and while some people would argue that as en_US has evolved less since 1776 it is closer to the original form, I'd like to counter with It's *our* Language and we'll change it if we want to - *We* in this case being the subjects of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith This is why Grammar Nazis need to stop - language is a diverse and evolving target. You can't keep up and you seem to be paying attention - how are the normal non-Grammer-Nazi's and non-Anglophiles supposed to handle it? -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT Humor] Obviously designed by morons
On 22 March 2011 00:07, Christopher A. Williams chriswfed...@cawllc.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 16:46 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: ... As I've been writing this, something interesting has occurred to me: by the time I stopped doing tech support for an ISP (Our call center was closed and the entire support crew was laid off.) I had been on the phones longer than anybody else there. I found myself, more and more, finding things obvious that nobody else understood or knew, simply because none of the other techs had anywhere near my experience. Considering how long I've been using Linux, this may well be simply another case of my not realizing how different my experience level is compared to the rest of the list. ...And for those of us on the list who have been running Linux pretty much exclusively since Red Hat Linux 4 and earlier (and who use sudo properly): sudo won't save you - sudo rm -rf . / is just as bad. The only thing sudo does give you is accountability - which is precious little use when someone has just deleted some important data. Firing them after the event really doesn't hold as much satisfaction as not deleting that data in the first place. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: X won't start - segmentations fault
On 03/14/2011 02:56 PM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote: Only: it dropped to a rediculously small resolution. Have you tried running nvidia-settings instead of the Fedora display settings tool? That is how I generally set my resolution... -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: oovoo.com
On 13 March 2011 18:13, Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net wrote: Dear List, I was asked to assist connecting a Fedora linux system for video conferencing with oovoo.com. It is apparent that they support Mac and Windows. Does anyone have any experience in using the Mac installation for oovoo for Fedora? Can anyone make recommendations for connections that allow video conferencing with Fedora. It appears that this is a compiled package. It is extremely unlikely that the Mac package will simply run on Linux. You may have better milage running the Windows version under Wine. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: oovoo.com
On 13 March 2011 20:07, Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net wrote: On 13 March 2011 18:13, Gregory P. Ennis po...@pomec.net wrote: Does anyone have any experience in using the Mac installation for oovoo for Fedora? Can anyone make recommendations for connections that allow video conferencing with Fedora. It appears that this is a compiled package. It is extremely unlikely that the Mac package will simply run on Linux. You may have better milage running the Windows version under Wine. I tried using the windows version with wine, but was not able to get past the login authentication of oovoo.com. Do you know of different video conference methods for Fedora, or will I have to break down and purchase an MS Windows machine. I'm afraid that's not my area - I use Lotus Sametime, which is unfortunately proprietary. I know there must be several video conferencing solutions for Linux and perhaps a message to this list will elicit suggestions, but it is not my area I am afraid. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: what is the “Online Certificate Status Protocol”
On 9 March 2011 09:30, erikmccaskey64 erikmccaske...@zoho.com wrote:
I use privoxy. In the user.action file i have a redirect rule and a few
websites:
{ +redirect{s@http://@https://@} }
.twitter.com
.facebook.com
Should you not ask in a Privoxy forum? This doesn't seem particularly
related to Fedora.
Ok! it's working great, e.g.: if i visit any *twitter.com URL it gets
redirected to HTTPS!
But: with wireshark i can see some OCSP packets [
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Certificate_Status_Protocol ]
Question: What are these packets? Why aren't there in HTTPS?
Did you read the Wikipedia article you referenced? It would seem to
explain this.
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Re: Ideas for securing OpenVPN on an OpenWrt router
On 8 March 2011 15:34, erikmccaskey64 erikmccaske...@zoho.com wrote: ok, i putted an OpenVPN server on port 1194 on an OpenWrt 10.03 router. https://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=xEZTvnhT http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1138443 Questions: what could i do to increase security regarding this OpenVPN server? - i mean on server side! 1 - i sed 's/1194/5/' the port number to a higher one - it's against the automated robots, ok! 2 - iptables? i should only allow ip ranges [on the input chain] that i will use in reality? - ok! 3 - if i don't use my router - e.g.: when i'm sleeping i just turn it off. 4 - ? what else?? Plese write down you're idea/solution!!! OpenWrt isn't OpenBSD, so from the ps command i can see that the OpenVPN is runned by root. it's not so secure. How can i make it more secure? If I were you, I would ask on an OpenVPN or OpenWrt mailing list, rather than a Fedora mailing list -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mailing list validation tool
On 4 March 2011 22:41, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: On Fri, 04 Mar 2011 17:34:25 -0500 Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: I'm looking for a tool to validate email addresses, Good luck, lots of big mail systems are designed to make it very hard to scan for actual user names (spammers like that) so you are more likely to end up blacklisted than get answers. Perhaps instead of sending a 100K quarterly newsletter you need to send a short 'list cleaning, you must click to continue receiving under new ownership' mail ? and set up a web page for it. I have to agree with Alan (I work in the hosting industry.) Any attempt to check those email addresses is likely to be interpreted by the recipient server as something with malicious intent. Moreso for the larger ISP/Mail providers, as you are going to be checking thousands of addresses - which I would interpret as a brute-force attempt if I saw it in a log. In the long term, you are better off sending the list-cleaning email and then creating a double-opt-in strategy for any further signups (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt_in_e-mail) Most large ISPs will accept that if you have a double-opt-in strategy and you prove that you take reasonable efforts to ensure that people can unsubscribe, you are acting in good faith and should escape or appeal any blacklisting. You should also investigate whether *your* sending ISP will allow you to sign up for automated feedback loop emails (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_%28email%29) which will allow you to take action by removing people who flag your mails as spam in their mail client. Yahoo and Hotmail both have one of these. Typically this means that your ISP is prepared to certify to Hotmail/Yahoo that you have exclusive sending rights from the IP of your mailserver. It's not something you can do in a shared-hosting environment. You can also increase your deliverability by implementing SPF and DomainKeys/DKIM as it's just another item on the list of evidence for you acting like a legitimate mail sender rather than an unscrupulous spammer and will generally be viewed positively by reputable mail providers. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Suggestion: Replace List by Newsgroup
On 11 February 2011 21:55, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 21:30 +, Mark Eggers wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:11:34 +0100, Outway wrote: Is there a specific reason why the fedoraproject chose to use a mailing list instead of a newsgroup? You could read the mailing list from a list to newsgroup service like gmane. 1. Subscribe to the list 2. Set it so that you don't receive mail from the list 3. Read and post from a newsgroup interface . . . just my two cents. /mde/ Except I can't find gmane in the Fedora repositories. It's not primarily a program, it's a maillist-newsgroup gateway service: http://gmane.org/ You can use any NNTP capable reader to subscribe to the groups on gmane by pointing that reader to news.gmane.org -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On 11 February 2011 23:22, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Darr d...@core.com wrote: On Thursday, February 10, 2011 @21:49 zulu, Fernando Cassia scribed (twice): Are you using a time machine to report news, from the past? look at the dates... Published: Mar 07 2010 12:00AM Updated: Apr 27 2010 02:22PM FC Please don't CC to fedora-l...@redhat.com Thanks. :-) I didn´t manually type that in. I just used the Reply function in GMail, that must have been part of the original message or cc: field of it. In fact, I m not even subscribed to that list so no matter what I send to it, it´ll be bounced. Yep - the original message from jdow was sent to fedora-l...@redhat.com, so the rebuke seems misdirected. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On 11 February 2011 23:26, mattias m...@mjw.se wrote: Are we talking about antivirus software? If so No need for it on linux Are you trolling? I can't tell, so I'm going to assume you are serious. It's this kind of attitude that will *make* Linux a bigger target... I run critical production servers and of course they run AV. Am I worried about current Linux viruses? No. - I'm worried about Windows viruses being transmitted through those Linux machines to Windows users. - I'm worried that future Linux viruses will be better and hope that AV vendors will react. But thinking I run Linux, I don't care about viruses is a complacent and dangerous attitude that needs to be stopped. By the time a Linux virus is out in the wild and working, it is too late to be thinking about retrofitting AV to your machines. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On 11 February 2011 23:48, mattias m...@mjw.se wrote: But linux viruses? How many exist? Yes i'm are serious As I said - it's not about today's threat, it is about tomorrow's. Installing AV once you have been notified about a real, working linux virus is not an effective countermeasure. The problem could have been in the wild for hours/days/weeks by that point and you could already be compromised. AV vendors, including the free ones are generally ahead of you in the game, even if they are still behind the attackers. If that's a risk you personally want to take, fine. It's not a risk I can defend to an external audit, nor do I think anyone serious about Security should follow your lead. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: No need for AV tools on Linux, eh?
On 11 February 2011 23:58, mattias m...@mjw.se wrote: Yes if you running a windows box to i can understand you But only linux A big NO I applaud your self confidence in the fact you are better at defending your system than a clever virus writer is at attacking it. I wish you luck in the future and sincerely hope you are never compromised. I however, will be relying on a multi-layered defence both at home and at work, and that includes running anti-virus. I just don't see any reason not to add this to my defence measures. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Resizing PVs
On 6 February 2011 14:34, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net writes: Once upon a time, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org said: You can shrink a PV, but you will loose the extents that are stored in the space that you have truncated. I don't consider that resizing. Changing the size of something is called resizing. How would you distinguish between the resizing done by e.g. resize2fs and the one done by fdisk? fdisk will be resizing a partition or block device. resize2fs resizes a filesystem. Those are all you need to reduce the size of a fs on a physical partition. But if you want to shrink that fs to less than the size of the current data within it, then you also need to do some work first. In LVM, you would first need to shrink your FS with resize2fs, then you need to reduce the LV with lvreduce, then that gives you space in your VG. You can then use pvresize to reduce the size of the PV and finally fdisk to reduce the size of the PV's partition. Easy... :o( Unfortunately, pvmove can only move extends to other PVs but not to a different location in the same PV. Not true. It isn't as straightforward; you have to know a map of the PEs and specify them to the pvmove command like (assuming the destination PEs are not in use): pvmove /dev/sda2:1000-1100 /dev/sda2:100-200 Oh, I didn't know about that. It seems that this thread finally produced some useful information as well, thanks! I didn't know this either. This definitely trumps my way of temporarily extending the VG with another PV. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installation Impressions
On 5 February 2011 20:53, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com writes: Ugh. So I have hundreds of free GBs in my LVM VGs, but I won't be able to install Fedora? Is there no way around this? Well you have two options I think, 1. the obvious first, resize your LVMs to free 500 MB and use it as /boot JFTR, unfortunately PVs cannot be made smaller. The whole idea of LVM is to do all the resize operations *within* the containers. JFTR, unfortunately, you'll need to raise a bug against the pvresize manpage then... http://linux.die.net/man/8/pvresize --- Shrink the PV on /dev/sda1 prior to shrinking the partition with fdisk (ensure that the PV size is appropriate for your intended new partition size): pvresize --setphysicalvolumesize 40G /dev/sda1 --- When filing the report, please state why your assertion for the record is correct over the maintainer's. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Resizing PVs (was: Installation Impressions)
On 5 February 2011 22:15, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: You can shrink a PV, but you will loose the extents that are stored in the space that you have truncated. I don't consider that resizing. That's interesting. I do consider it resizing... It's not the function of the pvresize command to move the LVs around so that it is possible to downsize the PV. That's something that the admin must do. If I use fdisk to resize a partition, is it fdisk's job to resize the filesystem? From the same manpage that you looked up: , | pvresize will refuse to shrink PhysicalVolume if it has allocated | extents after where its new end would be. In the future, it should | relocate these elsewhere in the volume group if there is sufficient free | space, like pvmove does. ` Yup, that is true - so you need to free up those extents first. Often this is done by adding a second temporary PV to the VG. Unfortunately, pvmove can only move extends to other PVs but not to a different location in the same PV. Yes, so it won't do exactly what you want in one command, so you have to do it a different way. I have in the past added a second PV, Extended the VG to this PV, then moved enough LVs to that second PV to make reducing the original PV feasible. But the fact remains, that you can shrink a Physical Volume. Why so aggressive? I wasn't being particularly aggressive, but I do actually dislike people saying (or abbreviating) just for the record when they are incorrect or the facts are disputed. The only thing that goes in the official record are the facts. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Finding programs
On 26 January 2011 00:07, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 01/26/2011 05:23 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: I'm not sure how new users are supposed to find evince. Maybe it is the same method that many folks should use to find things. http://tinyurl.com/6ce2nvo :-) :-) I appreciate your point, but I feel it only fair and balanced to point out that none of the top three links on that page actually contain any information on Evince and in the 4th page it is buried somewhere about 1/3rd of the way down. Basically, Evince need to do a bit of work on their SEO ;o) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is there a better Alternative to Thunderbird ?
On 21 January 2011 22:23, Richard Shaw hobbes1...@gmail.com wrote On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Robert Myers rbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fedora 14 / KDE Today my Thunderbird-3.1.7 crashed and sent all my 1500 emails to the Trash Can. Thunderbird was taking so long to compact and other things it had to do and locking up my desktop and Web Browser. In Fedora is there a better email Browser ? Yes. Use gmail. I have to add a +100 here. The conversation threading is hard to beat and without it I don't know how I would keep up with several large volume mailing lists. +1000 I work for a hosting company and see people struggling with mail all day. The reason I moved my mail to Gmail is because I don't *want* to be dealing with that kind of stuff at home ;o) Plus it's free - so even the price is right! -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Triple head?
2011/1/17 夜神 岩男 supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp: --- Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Has anyone gotten three heads set up with Fedora? I figure it will require the proprietary driver, and while that is not optimal, I'm willing to do it. I really want to have three monitors set up. If so, how'd you do it? I installed Fedora 14 with just the VGA on-board video running first, then plugged the others in after install... and everything just worked on reboot. The only adjustment needed was to place the screens in relation to one another so that the layout made sense. I have a pair of NVidia cards (one PCIe, one PCI) which I do this with. The key components were: * Proprietary NVidia driver with TwinView enabled * Specifying the PCI ID manually in my xorg.conf What I lack is the ability to merge together the Dual-screen config on one card with the single screen on the other - so in actual fact I have 2 Xorg Displays and am unable to move windows from one to the other. That's not a big deal - you just end up adapting your workflow and keeping discrete apps on that one screen. If I enable Xinerama, Gnome crashes pretty hard on login. I have included my Xorg.conf below to give you some starting point. If you get Xinerama working, I'll be very interested. -- Sam # nvidia-settings: X configuration file generated by nvidia-settings # nvidia-settings: version 260.19.29 (mockbu...@hephaestus.wilsonet.com) Thu Dec 16 04:52:07 EST 2010 # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 260.19.29 (mockbuild@) Thu Dec 16 05:03:59 EST 2010 Section ServerLayout Identifier Layout0 Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 Screen 1 Screen1 RightOf Screen0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer Option Xinerama 0 EndSection Section Files FontPath/usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 EndSection Section InputDevice # generated from default Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol auto Option Device /dev/input/mice Option Emulate3Buttons no Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section InputDevice # generated from data in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd Option XkbLayout gb Option XkbModel pc105 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Unknown ModelName LG L1953S HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 Option DPMS EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor1 VendorName Unknown ModelName LG L1919S HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Device0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation BoardName Quadro NVS 55/280 PCI BusID PCI:3:2:0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Device1 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation BoardName Quadro NVS 285 BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Device0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth24 Option TwinView 1 Option TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder CRT-0 Option metamodes CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select +1280+0, CRT-1: nvidia-auto-select +0+0 SubSection Display Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen1 Device Device1 MonitorMonitor1 DefaultDepth24 Option TwinView 0 Option metamodes nvidia-auto-select +0+0 SubSection Display Depth 24 EndSubSection EndSection -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FIXED Compiling Games Program
This thread has decended into a slightly pointless and certainly bandwidth stealing argument about Language and spelling, so I thought I would bring it back onto a computing track: On 6 January 2011 19:42, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: set mode='oldphart' I probably learned how to use language like that long before you were born, and certainly before I went to 'Nam. Show some respect to your elders, you young whippersnapper! /mode Technically if you are opening the set tag, you need to close it with /set. If this is a mode tag, then it should have been opened as something like mode value=oldphart - this XML is much more invalid than the spelling of voilà and I don't understand how this has escaped criticism so far. It's also good practise to: 1) Encapsulate character data in !CDATA tags, so that the XML parser doesn't misinterpret special characters: http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_cdata.asp 2) Define a schema, so we know how elements such as set and mode are defined: http://www.w3schools.com/schema/schema_intro.asp So I think what you really meant was: mode xmlns=http://www.yourwebsite.com; xmlns:xsi=http://www.yourwebsite.com/yournamespace; xsi:schemaLocation=http://www.yourwebsite.com/mode.xsd; value=oldphart ![CDATA[ I probably learned how to use language like that long before you were born, and certainly before I went to 'Nam. Show some respect to your elders, you young whippersnapper! ]] /mode If it is of any interest at all, I was born in 1980 - i.e. *after* the Vietnam War. XML was of course born more than a decade after that, however SGML from which it descended is from some time in the 1970s and may therefore actually pre-date some of the later parts of this 'Nam of which you speak. Of course, I will know nothing of this because I am not an American and I can't play the viola and age is so very important in modern times. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: svn with dyndns
On 3 January 2011 18:00, Paul F. Johnson p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk wrote: I'm not going through apache to try and make life easier. All requests in via tcp:3690 are routed to the server. I've set things up using the instructions at http://queens.db.toronto.edu/~nilesh/linux/subversion-howto/ (option 2) If I try svn import kickstart svn://127.0.0.1/developer/paul -m Initial import I get asked my password, and life is good. However svn import kickstart http://devsys-dyndns-server.com/developer/paul -m Initial import Is that second command exactly what you typed? If so, the fact that you are *not* using Apache and the URL being http:// rather than svn:// would seem to conflict. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: variable in loop
On 2 January 2011 22:27, S Mathias smathias1...@yahoo.com wrote:
$ ASDF=hello; a=0; a=$(( 70 - $(echo $ASDF | awk '{print length}') )); echo
$a $ASDF$(for i in {1..$a}; do printf .; done)
65 hello.
Why doesn't it print:
65 hello.
Because {1..$a} doesn't output the sequence 1..65 like you think it
should. Replacing it with `seq 1 $a` does.
What am i missing?
To be honest... the point of this list - elementary Bash programming
isn't a matter for the Fedora Users list.
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Re: Outgoing email filters for claws-mail
On 1 January 2011 23:44, Suvayu Ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: PS: Claws mail seems to be the near perfect email client I was looking for so long, loving it! :) I love it too. For a long time I used it exclusively until I decided that actually I could get by pretty well with just the Gmail interface and my work email client and it was therefore one less app to install and maintain. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: bash increment in a given way
On 11 December 2010 14:34, S Mathias smathias1...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's ok, that i can use this, when i want an incrementing sequence, in a
given way:
# {START..END..INCREMENT}
$ for i in {0..10..2}; do echo Welcome $i times; done
Welcome 0 times
Welcome 2 times
Welcome 4 times
Welcome 6 times
Welcome 8 times
Welcome 10 times
$
but what's the magic for this? :
$ MAGIC; do echo Welcome $i times; done
Welcome 0 times
Welcome 1 times
Welcome 4 times
Welcome 5 times
Welcome 8 times
Welcome 9 times
$
All you need to do is work out the function behind the sequence. To generate
this particular sequence, you need 2 loops, and outer one counting from 0..2
and an inner one counting between 0..1:
for n in {0..2};
do
for m in {0..1};
do
echo Welcome $(((n * 4) + m)) times;
done;
done;
or, in one line:
for n in {0..2}; do for m in {0..1}; do echo Welcome $(((n * 4) + m))
times; done; done;
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Re: import certificates via command line - Firefox
On 11 December 2010 17:41, Frank Cox thea...@sasktel.net wrote: On Sat, 11 Dec 2010 03:48:36 -0800 (PST) S Mathias wrote: is there any way under Fedora to import certs to Firefox from the terminal? Perhaps the certificate import procedure for Sylpheed that I describe here will be relevant: http://www.melvilletheatre.com/articles/sylpheed-gmail/index.html Note that I have no idea if a similar procedure applies to Firefox, but it might give you a starting point. If you want to auto-accept certificates in Firefox, then you need to Google for cert_override.txt. If you want to push certificates into the Firefox cert8.db, then you need to Google for certutil. HTH, Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Launch metacity -- how by default??
On 5 December 2010 16:16, Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:40:53 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: snip I'm obviously not getting my question across. How do I get it to launch *on* *boot* -- knowing that it does not now. I think you missed Joe's useful post, which tells you how to check that metacity is the Window Manager that gnome will launch when you login - which is really what you are looking for: Try this: open the Gnome Configuration Editor and navigate to /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager and change the current window manager to metacity. Log out, log in and it should Just Work. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Automate tweaking??
On 21 November 2010 20:40, Beartooth bearto...@comcast.net wrote: If this really doesn't exist, I want to make a feature request; but I have somehow missed discovering it. Any time I do a fresh install, I have a big job afterward on each machine. A third of it is going through PackageKit, adding and removing apps; another third is getting all the launchers I want added onto the panels I want; and the last third is going through the long tedious litany to show dot files, single click, start this but not that on boot, etc ad taedium vitae. Surely there must be some way to tell Fedora to take note of what I have, where I put it, and how I use it, then put it all into a file I can copy to a USB stick or some such medium -- so that once the install completes, I can give the stick and say Here; go. What you are describing is usually accomplished with Kickstart: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart The challenge is distilling all your tweaks into scripting commands for the %post section ;o) To be honest though, it sounds very much like what you want could be accomplished by Kickstart for your package selection and then simply copying over a templated home directory created after you had made the changes you want to an existing copy. Everything you describe is configured in .config/, .gnome2/ or .gconf/ and simply backing those up and untarring in your new installation might do what you require. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I want OO.o support, not Go-OO from Novell - Any statement from Fedora or RedHat?
On 4 November 2010 23:12, Hiisi saipp...@gmail.com wrote: Another question here is about compability of two packages. Will I be able to upgrade my system from F14 to F15? Will OpenOffice be changed to LibreOffice automatically? -- ___ / And 1.1.81 is officially BugFree(tm), \ | so if you receive any bug-reports on | | it, you know they are just evil lies. | | | \ -- Linus Torvalds / --- \ /\ ___ /\ \ // \/ \/ \\ (( O O )) \\ / \ // \/ | | \/ | | | | | | | | | o | | | | | |m| |m| Hiisi, While I appreciate that you have worked on your signature script, are you aware that the signal in this post was about 169 characters, versus the 470 of noise for your signature. Perhaps keeping it off for list posts would be a good idea, as that's a very bad S/N ratio... -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I want OO.o support, not Go-OO from Novell - Any statement from Fedora or RedHat?
On 5 November 2010 00:48, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 11/04/2010 04:41 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: It's weird actually. I like context to my messages... snip so giving context and history to what you are saying by quoting a little too much doesn't bother me as much as it bothers some. So do I. Unlike you, however, I see no reason to quote the entire conversation to give context, That's not actually what I said. I think there is a balance to be had between brevity and completeness, but I acknowledge that my own tolerance of where that line falls is further towards completeness than some other people. Hence I don't tend to pick people up when they quote too much, because while I know I wouldn't quote that much, it really doesn't bother me when other people do. If you review my history, you'll see that my quoting tends to be relatively brief and relevant, because I deliberately conform to the expected behaviour even though I have no particular personal drive to do so - that's just good etiquette. Quite often in my work email, I top-post and quote the entire message - because I am conversing with a population who expects it. I also send HTML email as well when conducting a dialog with non-technical colleagues. That doesn't mean that when I send email to my technical colleagues I don't switch to bottom posting, quoting briefly and wrapping at 72 characters. It's like being multilingual - you have to tailor your communication to your audience. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: USB support for VirtualBox
On 27 October 2010 15:29, Robert Karge rkargeconsult...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using Fedora off/on since F3. I'm a heavy user of VirtualBox. From F3 to F13 USB is not evident. All suggestions from Fedora sources don't work. All other Linux Distros I have tried have automated access to USB in VirtualBox. Please help me with an absolute method. VirtualBox OSE is what is packaged by RPMFusion for Fedora. That version DOES NOT have USB Support. The reason for this is nothing to do with Fedora and everything to do with the fact that the USB support was not open-source licensed. You can read more about the two different versions of VirtualBox on their website: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions If you need USB Support, then you need to get VirtualBox direct from them: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads And you must accept their licensing terms: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL I would assume that the other versions of Linux you have tried are distributing the non-free version of VirtualBox. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] To people with VoIP SIP Clients (twinkle, etc), friendly-scanner DOS attack
On 15 October 2010 02:31, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Try to use www.arin.net You will see that arin.net will not tell you to which network (such as APNIC ) it belongs. Very mysterious :) s...@samlap:~$ whois 218.14.146.200 % [whois.apnic.net node-2] % Whois data copyright termshttp://www.apnic.net/db/dbcopyright.html inetnum: 218.14.146.192 - 218.14.146.221 netname: jiangmendianxinfengongsihaobaix descr:jiangmenshihuanshiyilu2hao country: CN admin-c: JM-AP tech-c: IC83-AP mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET-GD changed: gdtel_ip...@163.com 20091210 status: Allocated non-portable source: APNIC person: JIANGMEN WANJIAN address: No.2, Huan Shi Yi Road, Jiangmen, China country: CN phone:+86-750-3280600 e-mail: ip...@gddc.com.cn remarks: IPMASTER is not for spam complaint,please send spam complaint to ab...@gddc.com.cn nic-hdl: JM-AP mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET-GD changed: chen...@gsta.com 20080328 source: APNIC person: IPMASTER CHINANET-GD nic-hdl: IC83-AP e-mail: ip...@gddc.com.cn address: NO.1,RO.DONGYUANHENG,YUEXIUNAN,GUANGZHOU phone:+86-20-83877223 fax-no: +86-20-83877223 country: CN changed: ip...@gddc.com.cn 20040902 mnt-by: MAINT-CHINANET-GD remarks: IPMASTER is not for spam complaint,please send spam complaint to ab...@gddc.com.cn source: APNIC Not particularly hard or particularly mysterious -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing JRE - New Install
On 12 October 2010 22:49, jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fc13-i686 /Kde New install I have jre1.6.0_21 installed and ln -s to, in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins There is no plugins directory in /usr/lib/firefox. I tried libjavaplugin_oji.so and libnpjp2.so but I can't get it to show after starting about:plugins in firefox . This is what it should look like: $ ls -al /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Aug 31 09:31 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so - /etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so [23:13 s...@rackspace ~ ] $ ls -al /etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 Aug 31 09:31 /etc/alternatives/libjavaplugin.so - /usr/java/default/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so [23:13 s...@rackspace ~ ] $ ls -al /usr/java/default lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Mar 3 2010 /usr/java/default - /usr/java/latest/ [23:13 s...@rackspace ~ ] $ ls -al /usr/java/latest lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 May 18 19:04 /usr/java/latest - /usr/java/jdk1.6.0_20/ [23:15 s...@rackspace ~ ] $ rpm -qif /usr/java/jdk1.6.0_20/jre/lib/i386/libnp libnpjp2.so libnpt.so [23:15 s...@rackspace ~ ] $ rpm -qif /usr/java/jdk1.6.0_20/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so Name: jdk Relocations: /usr/java Version : 1.6.0_20 Vendor: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Release : fcs Build Date: Tue 13 Apr 2010 00:36:04 BST Install Date: Tue 18 May 2010 19:03:54 BST Build Host: jdk-lin-1586 Group : Development/Tools Source RPM: jdk-1.6.0_20-fcs.src.rpm Size: 147584903License: Sun Microsystems Binary Code License (BCL) Signature : (none) Packager: Java Software jre-comme...@java.sun.com URL : http://java.sun.com/ Summary : Java(TM) Platform Standard Edition Development Kit Description : The Java Platform Standard Edition Development Kit (JDK) includes both the runtime environment (Java virtual machine, the Java platform classes and supporting files) and development tools (compilers, debuggers, tool libraries and other tools). The JDK is a development environment for building applications, applets and components that can be deployed with the Java Platform Standard Edition Runtime Environment. --- How does that compare to what you have? (technically this a F14-beta install, but I installed Java when it was F13) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?)
You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... -- Sam On 10 October 2010 21:01, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 09:02 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: I'd really appreciate it if anyone could explain why these things are happening and how I could configure the Zimbra Web Client to fix them. You probably can't fix the threading problems, those things sound more like faults, or badly designed software which simply doesn't do everything that it should do with email. But the long line issue may be a configuration option. All the things you brought up are mentioned below. Threading - Mail clients insert a header, as they reply to a message, that indicate which message you're replying to (the in-reply-to header will be followed by its message id). And add the same message id to a references header, which lists message ids of all the messages that belong in the same thread. Then, when they show a list of messages, the references headers are used to group them all together, and the in-reply-to headers to put them in the right sequence. Headers - These are data put ahead of the message, not where you can usually see them, but the pre-amble before the message. Use a view message source option in your client to see them all. Chances are that if your mail client is destroying threading, then it doesn't do anything with those headers (doesn't insert the in-reply-to, and doesn't add to the references). View the source of one of your replies to see if it does (send an email to your own address to test without bothering anybody else with all your tests). You're unlikely to be able to add the function to inadequate software. It's a basic part of email clients, should already be there, there shouldn't be any options to remove it, with the exception of anonymous mail services used to protect people in certain countries and situations. Line length - Customary practice was to set software to wrap lines at about 72 characters. That ensured that the message would fit into 80 column displays, even when there were a few generations of quotes prefixed with marks. Messages longer than the screen size would get badly mangled, being hard line-broken, not re-wrapped. And often still are, even with modern software, when someone replies to those messages (just about everyone's seen hideously ugly and annoying to read messages with alternating 79 and 6 character length lines). For those who think that 72 is too short consider that (a) reading longer lines than that is more difficult, and (b) it's still about the right size when printing email to A4 or US letter paper, no matter what your printer resolution is. As we all know, software authors, and users, ignore custom as they see fit. And options creep in to change this, or the recommendation is just plain ignored (no wrapping occurs, at all). No wrapping has its problems, especially with older client or server software, as many had a 999 character limit, and would have some form of error if the line was any longer. Each line in a message is parsed by the software, headers and message content, looking for information that it needed to handle the mail (addresses, content headers, etc.). And such software may have only been able to handle 999 characters per line. Not to mention the difficulty in reading messages with huge line lengths, especially when users don't break their writing up into any paragraphs. Options came to be that would allow you to send apparently unwrapped text, so that the reader could resize their window to suit themselves, wrapping your message within their window, but with the message source still using short lines, that would keep all other software happy. Various content-encoding schemes use some method that virtually says, ignore the line breaks actually in the source, only wrap at a special character sequence. And most mail clients would decode that content, though some older ones cannot. They'll show those /codes/, or simply show the text as 72 character wrapped lines. And that leads to a couple of things you can try to change how your message does line length. Look for user configuration options regarding line length or line wrapping. And/or try out different content-encoding schemes (plain, quoted-printable, base64), your client may wrap differently for some of them. Plain will just send out what you typed, as if you were still working with ASCII-only computing. Email was originally only 7-bit, and often still is, requiring encoding to get through many services. Quoted-printable, inserts control codes that may look odd (an equals sign, followed by a number), but are a sequence of ordinary characters, that you could just skip over if you happened to see them in a client that can't handle them. Base64 will encode 8-bit textual data into sequences of characters that only use 7-bit ASCII characters. It looks like
Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?)
On 10 October 2010 22:44, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 21:22 +0100, Sam Sharpe wrote: You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... No, I did not. They didn't ask about that. I answered the first part of their query (why what was happening, was happening). Err... you summarised the reasoning and history behind two of the most important list guidelines and forgot the 3rd most often discussed problem. You also forgot to check the sense of humour flag attached to my post :o( -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))
On 10 October 2010 23:14, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 15:40 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Has anyone ever noticed that gmail (and likely a lot of other online email services and desktop software) opens a gap at the top for typing the response? That doesn't mean you have to type there, it just means start working on the message from there. Whether that be typing some pre-amble, starting to delete quotes, or whatever... If it dumped the cursor at the bottom, that'd encourage people, even more, to not bother to delete extraneous quoted crap from their message. I agree. I use GMail and it is my habit on this list to first delete the blank lines at the beginning that Gmail adds, then scan through the message trimming as necessary, finally adding my thoughts at the bottom, right above where Gmail has helpfully inserted my signature. It's not hard, but it's something you have to learn and force yourself to do. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Attribute copying problem with useradd
On 6 October 2010 21:46, Chris Tyler ch...@tylers.info wrote: One of my students showed up with an intriguing issue yesterday. They added a /home filesystem to their F13 installation, and now useradd fails to completely copy /etc/skel for new users -- it stops copying with an error on setting attributes on ~/.gnome2 I've looked under the normal rocks and haven't found anything unusual yet: * strace shows that the error occurs when attempting to set extended attributes (presumably facls and selinux context) on the copied file(s) * it's not SELinux -- switching to permissive mode has no effect * the /home filesystem is ext4 and mounted with no unusual options (defaults in 4th column of /etc/fstab -- mount shows the options as (rw) only). * reformatting the filesystem does not clear the problem - whether ext3 or ext4, a freshly-created filesystem shows the same issue * umounting /home clears the problem - useradd can copy the /etc/skel files to the / filesystem just fine (/ is also an ext4 filesystem) I'm missing something -- what else should they check out? Try mounting it with defaults,acl and see if that allows you to set the extended attributes? -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: best FTP server for web server
On 4 October 2010 20:36, Paul Cartwright fed...@pcartwright.com wrote: On Mon October 4 2010, Rick Stevens wrote: Don't forget there is FTP-S (FTP over SSL). vsftpd supports both FTP and FTP-S. Most reasonable FTP clients also support it (gftp, kasablanca, etc.). what you mean is sftp.. for windows a great client is winscp. I used it for years, along with putty, which you can find anywhere, just google putty.exe . both programs use the secure port 22. No... he means FTPS... like he said... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS It is a perfectly valid way of securing FTP and given that chrooting SFTP is not trivial for a lot of use-cases, whereas chrooting FTP is a very well known operation, FTPS actually has some advantages over SFTP. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: best FTP server for web server
On 4 October 2010 21:23, Paul Cartwright fed...@pcartwright.com wrote: On Mon October 4 2010, Rick Stevens wrote: what you mean is sftp. No, FTP-S. FTP over SSL using port 989 and 990. sftp is a part of ssh and uses it's encryption mechanisms. what I SHOULD have said is what I 'THINK' you mean, and obviously I was wrong:) so, is it better to ftp over SSL or sftp using ssh? That depends on the circumstances - I personally prefer SFTP, because most Linux machines already have an SSH server running. However, there are complications, such as needing to chroot users (historically hard with OpenSSH), needing to allow SFTP or SCP, but not SSH, etc. This doesn't usually matter on a small friendly machine, but if you are doing something like reselling webhosting to other people, having lots of SSH users on your box might not be what you want. In those circumstances, offering (or mandating) FTPS is a good compromise between security and usability. It still allows you to do a lot of things that you would normally do in a mass-hosting environment, like chrooting and blocking certain kinds of uploads - just like you would with an FTP server. To get this back on track, regarding what is a good FTP server, I have to say I actually prefer ProFTPd - but then I don't need to rely on their support. - It uses an Apache-like syntax for configuration, so it is intuitive to me. - It can integrate with MySQL for a user database. - If offers .ftpaccess files - which are an incredibly powerful tool - http://www.proftpd.org/localsite/Userguide/linked/x1021.html Of course, this is only because glftpd is no longer maintained - otherwise that would have been my favourite for old-time's sake: http://www.glftpd.com/ -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Setting up a Linksys WRT54G router for SSH port forwarding
On 5 October 2010 00:02, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fedora 12 on both computers That's irrelevant. This isn't a Fedora problem, this is a basic networking problem. I have two computers setting behind this Linksys WRT54G router and I want to connect to both of them by SSH remote across the Internet. I have the internet IP for this router. I have Googled the Internet and found out how to setup one on port 22 , but not Two computers using SSH port 22 You can't do this, which is why Google isn't giving you any hits. Think about it... If you connect remotely to port 22 on the internet ip of the router, how would it know which server you were intending to connect to? Routers are very clever these days, but I haven't seen any with ESP. You need to run SSH on a different port on one of these machines and forward that port on the router to that machine. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Installing F14 Beta
On 3 October 2010 12:46, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 20:42 -0700, JD wrote: That may be so! But it is not YOUR place to say to anyone if their post is out of place. Especially if the post IS about Fedora! actually, it is my place to say to someone that their post is out off topic and I get extra points for providing the URL for the list where it is on topic. The question was not about any current Fedora release. I do have to admit that I am less bothered by your off topic postings than I am by your unhelpful answers to people on things you know little to nothing about but hey, that's just me. One of the reasons I have remained on this list for so many years was the generally high quality participants and answers and I find your participation often falls short. I'm with Craig on this one. It's everyone's role to point out situations where posts would be better served by posting to other lists. I think this was a helpful suggestion. I think the response to that was unjustifiably aggressive in stance. I'm not as concerned about JD's lack of knowledge in some areas- yes it is generally annoying noise before the correct answer, but his heart is in the right place for trying to provide assistance and one would hope that as he learns the subject matter, his post quality/quantity ratio will approve. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: VSFTPD 421 Service not availabl
On 3 October 2010 00:41, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 October 2010 23:58, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 October 2010 23:56, stan gr...@q.com wrote: On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:37:40 +0100 Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: I have installed a fresh version of F11, unfortunately I did not install VSFTPD with it. On doing a yum install vsftpd it install fine but does not seem to function. [r...@zzz vsftpd]# ftp localhost Trying ::1... ftp: connect to address ::1Connection refused Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost (127.0.0.1). 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection ftp quit I copied the 'vsftpd.conf' and 'users' directory from my working F11 server this one is supposed to be mirroring, but am getting exactly the same responce. This is probably a problem with the firewall. Did you open ports 20 and 21? And if you are using passive ftp you should open some ports in the high range, so there is a hole in the firewall for vsftpd to use. You have to tell vsftpd to use those ports in the configuration. I also had to open the service on my router, but that might not be an issue for you. If I recall correctly, there is a logging function that can be turned on and it is really useful for decoding where the problem is and what it is too. It's been a few years since I used vsftpd, so this is somewhat hazy. My other F11 server is working fine, and that does not have any extras. Its not iptables, thats exactly the same across the two machines. Aaron I find the best way to deal with this kind of problem is some elementary research. I started with Google: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclienthl=en-GBq=vsftpd+421 The first Search Result might help you immensely. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: fedora system-switch-mail alternative
On 1 October 2010 22:08, David A. Paredes Rios david...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Craig, actually thats are the steps that system-switch-mail do?
That is roughly what system-switch mail does. This is it enabling sendmail:
os.system('/usr/sbin/alternatives --set mta
/usr/sbin/sendmail.sendmail')
os.system('/sbin/service postfix stop 2/dev/null /dev/null')
os.system('/sbin/service exim stop 2/dev/null /dev/null')
os.system('/sbin/chkconfig postfix off 2/dev/null /dev/null')
os.system('/sbin/chkconfig exim off 2/dev/null /dev/null')
os.system('/sbin/service sendmail start 2/dev/null /dev/null')
os.system('/sbin/chkconfig sendmail on 2/dev/null /dev/null')
You can read /usr/share/system-switch-mail/functions.py for more details.
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Re: Can I know which fedora is stable?
On 1 October 2010 00:40, Gordon Messmer yiny...@eburg.com wrote: On 09/30/2010 08:56 AM, James Mckenzie wrote: However, be aware that Fedora tries to be on a six month or shorter release cycle. Fedora is basically a 'wide beta' for RedHat and that is also stated on the Project's web page. Where is that stated? It isn't stated in those terms, but it is an accepted representation of the status quo. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki The Fedora Project is a global partnership of free software community members. The Fedora Project is sponsored by Red Hat, which invests in our infrastructure and resources to encourage collaboration and incubate innovative new technologies. Some of these technologies may later be integrated into Red Hat products. It is not part of Fedora's aims to be Red Hat Enterprise Beta, it will and should exist whether Red Hat choose to develop from it or not. Any statements about how Red Hat uses Fedora would come from Red Hat, not from the Fedora Project. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Rhythmbox doesn't quite share
On 20 September 2010 21:50, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: I will always be mystified how people are suckered into buying Apple products. I guess that's why I'm not a Steve Jobs. Because good looks sell things. I may not totally agree with Steve Jobs, Apple as a company, or the Mac Experience, but I do like the looks of their computers, because looks are as important to their design as functionality. (My last Mac was a Powerbook G4 12) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Rhythmbox doesn't quite share
On 21 September 2010 02:08, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 16:29 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: On 09/20/2010 03:50 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Steven Stern wrote: Well, that's useful, Craig. I guess I should hand my Mac to the nearest homeless person. You should. You overpaid hundreds of dollars for the same hardware you could buy separately for less. Those hundreds of dollars you could have saved could have went to a homeless shelter. I will always be mystified how people are suckered into buying Apple products. I guess that's why I'm not a Steve Jobs. I hate to go off topic (VBG), but you guys just don't get it. We live in the world and I make my money by knowing technology. And that's not just Linux. It's also Windows and Mac. My main computer is Fedora, as is my server, but I have a Windows notebook and a MacBook, because I have to know those technologies, too. OK, I'm done with this thread, because Godwin is looking over my shoulder. I should have specifically stated 'Apple devices' and not just Apple products because computers are a different beast. The issue is that Apple sells closed devices with specific requirements to use a closed software package (iTunes) with undocumented and ever changing protocols (ie... daap such as we are discussing). This has resulted in varying times when you can't use iTunes to interact with other devices and software that have reverse engineered compatibility because Apple continually changes things without notice or documentation to the community. If you want to buy their devices (iPod/iPhone/iLockYouOut) then so be it but you should recognize that it is likely not to play well with the rest of the world. It's a choice, as in life all things are. I recently needed a new phone. I looked around and I liked what I saw of the iPhone (my significant other has one) but for me, the fact I would need to run iTunes to effectively use it was a blocker. So I *chose* an HTC Wildfire as it is based on Android. I compromised on an Android device because I am not able/willing to use an operating system that allows me to run iTunes - but that was my *choice*. In this case I did not choose Apple because it did not fit my self-imposed technological limitations. I could equally well have bought a new Mac and a new iPhone, had I wanted to make that compromise (cost isn't a factor), but I didn't because I *like* my Linux laptop and I am comfortable with it. However, I still have an Apple Airport and I used to have an Apple Powerbook. Those were devices I chose because I did not need to make the same self- imposed compromise. Choice is good. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /etc/init.d/mysqld not installed on F12 machine
On 12 September 2010 21:06, Aaron Gray aaronngray.li...@gmail.com wrote: MySQL does not seem to be installed on my F12 machine. I have done a :- yum install mysql but /etc/init.d/mysqld and friends are not installed. Is there a separate package that installs them ? mysql-server I believe. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /etc/init.d/mysqld not installed on F12 machine
On 12 September 2010 21:17, Joseph L. Casale jcas...@activenetwerx.com wrote: yum list \*mysqld\* [...@www ~]$ yum list \*mysqld\* Loaded plugins: fastestmirror Error: No matching Packages to list However: [...@www ~]$ yum list \*mysql\* Loaded plugins: fastestmirror Installed Packages mysql-libs.x86_64 5.1.47-2.fc12 @updates Available Packages Io-language-mysql.x86_64 20071010-10.fc11 fedora MySQL-python.x86_64 1.2.3-0.4.c1.fc12 updates MySQL-zrm.noarch 2.1.1-5.fc12 fedora ace-mysql.noarch 0.0.7-3.fc12 fedora apr-util-mysql.x86_64 1.3.9-2.fc12 fedora snip -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: GNOME Terminal alternatives?
On 7 September 2010 16:15, Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Some time ago I posted the message below, and still haven't been able to find the answers to the Terminal configuration questions that I have, and hoped someone might have some ideas. Is there an alternative that might be better suited for what I want to do, without requiring creating an .xtermrc from the command-line? I'd really just like the ability to copy/paste by just highlighting, and the ability to copy to/from a VM. Ideas great appreciated. There are lots of alternatives to Gnome Terminal. I particularly like roxterm for general work, but it offers no major advantages over gnome-terminal, I just find it does the things I want to do a little easier. For system administration, I actually use evilvte, but that's custom compiled because it has no options - everything is done at compile-time and I don't like the Fedora default setup ;o) But there are many many alternatives - just do a search in your package manager for VTE (the Gnome Library most of them use) and you will see what I mean. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: somewhat OT: sudo question
On 9 September 2010 22:18, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/09/2010 12:12 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Append a line like the following to /etc/sudoers ranjan ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL Sorry, maybe I was not clear. I wanted to have the ability to use sudo without password for the above two commands, but use sudo with password (required) for everything else. Once you do as I described, you will not need password for any sudo command. You are not understanding the Question. Ranjan does not want to compromise the security of his system by having root access to any command without entering a password (which is as bad as logging in directly as root), he simply wants to be able to hibernate his machine without a password but to be prompted for a password for all other actions. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to find rpm for fedora
On 2 September 2010 09:06, admin lewis adminle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm trying to compile partclone (http://partclone.org/) because I havent found it on any repos of mines. I run make but I see I need of libcursesw-dev ... Have you tried installing the Fedora ncurses-libs and ncurses-devel packages? It looks like you are searching for the name of the debian packages as that's what libncursesw-dev looks like to me - Fedora packages are typically suffixes as -devel [11:49 s...@work ~ ] $ yum --disablerepo=* provides *ncursesw* Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ncurses-libs-5.7-7.20100130.fc13.i686 : Ncurses libraries Repo: installed Matched from: Other : libncursesw.so.5 Filename: /lib/libncursesw.so.5 Filename: /lib/libncursesw.so.5.7 ncurses-devel-5.7-7.20100130.fc13.i686 : Development files for the ncurses : library Repo: installed Matched from: Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/cursesw.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/unctrl.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/cursesm.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/etip.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/cursesp.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/term.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/ Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/ncurses.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/termcap.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/cursesapp.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/form.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/tic.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/cursslk.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/ncurses_dll.h Other : pkgconfig(ncursesw) Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/term_entry.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/nc_tparm.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/panel.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/menu.h Filename: /usr/lib/libncursesw.so Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/curses.h Filename: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ncursesw.pc Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/cursesf.h Filename: /usr/include/ncursesw/eti.h Filename: /usr/bin/ncursesw5-config -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Problem browsing http://bugzilla.kernel.org/
On 31 August 2010 18:57, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Aimed my firefox at http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ and got this error: Software error: Can't connect to the database. Error: Too many connections Is your database installed and up and running? Do you have the correct username and password selected in localconfig? For help, please send mail to the webmaster (r...@localhost mailto:r...@localhost), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. Is this a bugzilla server problem? It appears to be a bugzilla.kernel.org problem. I would guess that they mave hit the MySQL max_connections limit in their config. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SELINUX
On 30 August 2010 13:27, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:12:14 +0100 (BST) Patrick Dupre wrote: Would ou just turn off SELINX ? I know I need to learn about SELinux ! Well, here's my opinion of selinux: http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/wisdom/braindump/selinux.html No doubt there are those who disagree though :-). I'm not saying whether I agree or disagree, but I do like to see a little more evidence and references when people quote Facts. I realise this is your opinion, but you're making statements labelled as facts without backing that up... bad karma... -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Using Lightning with kerberos?
2010/8/25 Christoph Höger choe...@cs.tu-berlin.de: is there any way to use Thunderbird Lightning (thunderbird-lightning-1.0-0.27.b2pre.fc13.x86_64) with kerberos? Thunderbird itself works fine, but Lightning always asks for a passwd when accessing webdav. Is this bug report helpful? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391493 It has some useful links to other information, but as I neither use Lightning, nor have a calendar server that supports Kerberos, there's not much else I can say;o) -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: HTML mail [was Re: FEL was Re: Hi]
As someone who actually doesn't care much if the mail is HTML or Text, can I just point out that one of the arguments against HTML is that it is a waste of other people's bandwidth. Much like this discussion thread. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: how to extract .uha files in FC 13
On 3 August 2010 13:19, Jatin K ssh.fed...@gmail.com wrote: can any one tell me, How do I extract .uha files in FC13 .. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=116755 -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Yum oddness
On 21 July 2010 21:13, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 03:49 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote:
No epoch is equivalent to epoch zero. That's why it wasn't
displayed.
To be clear:
By default $ rpm -q ($ rpm -qi) does not show epoch information even
if the rpm actually has epoch.
That might be worth revising. The rpm queryformat expressions are not
well documented on the man page (you have to know what the various tag
headers are called for one thing, and it's not clear where to discover
that short of reading the RPM book or the source).
The last paragraph of the section of `man rpm` dealing with
--queryformat says the following:
For example, to print only the names of the packages queried, you could
use %{NAME} as the format string. To print the packages name and dis-
tribution information in two columns, you could use %-30{NAME}%{DISTRI-
BUTION}. rpm will print a list of all of the tags it knows about when
it is invoked with the --querytags argument.
You can therefore list all the tags as follows:
[...@samlap ~ ]$ rpm --querytags
ARCH
ARCHIVESIZE
BASENAMES
BUGURL
BUILDARCHS
BUILDHOST
BUILDTIME
snip
However it's left as an exercise for the reader to discover what the
non-obvious query tags actually mean.
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Re: Who's moderating this forum?
On 19 July 2010 21:09, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: This said, as this very message proves, it seems your only goal is to add noise to this thread. There are 60 posts currently in this thread. Of those, the count per person is: Marcel Rieux - 20 Rahul Sunderam - 9 Assuming that all posts are equally full of average noise (a naive assumption I don't particularly subscribe to), then you are responsible for more than twice as much as Rahul. I have absolutely no involvement in Fedora other than this list, but I definitely value Rahul's input to the Community. Speaking personally, I have answered at least one of your posts recently as one of the first posters and in a helpful fashion. It is your tendency to refuse to leave threads to die and persistent argumentative assertions without references or basis in fact that are beginning to get on my nerves. I suggest you take a deep breath and walk away now, because it appears there is 1 person arguing for case (you) and lots of people arguing against you (everyone). It would probably be wise for you to find a list where your peculiar talents are more appreciated and you can find eternal happiness. Have you tried 4chan? -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OT: Autocorrection in OOo 3.1.1 and shortcut for navigating in Firefox when zoomed in
On 14 July 2010 21:25, Marcel Rieux m.z.ri...@gmail.com wrote: I often type voyels too fast so I'd like errors such as teh to be automatically corrected to the. I searched the web but all the solutions I found involved using menu entries that are not in OOo 3.1.1. Does anybody know how to do this? I can't help with this - I use vim ;o) I often use the zoom in Firefox, Is there any way to make Firefox remember a default zoom? Is there a keyboard shortcut to navigate to the right of the screen when zoomed in? Always using the bottom scrollbar is a pain. Zooming: Natively, no. With an addon, yes: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2592/ Panning: Yes, unless you don't have direction arrows on your keyboard. Try hitting the Right arrow a couple of times. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Can't start X on F12
On 4 July 2010 15:44, Steve zep...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Doron Bar Zeev doronbr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running kernel 2.6.32.14-127.fc12.i686 and I have an nVidia 8800GT graphics card. The xorg.conf shows me using a vesa driver. try use nouveau instead of vesa Thanks for the suggestion but I have already tried that. When I replace vesa with nv in xorg.conf an error message appears in Xorg.0.log saying The PCI device has a kernel module claiming it. and X can't find a screen and stops. A strange thing that I noticed is that when I use the vesa driver, even when I boot into single user mode I get nouveau messages in /var/log/messages such as this: [drm] nouveau :04:00.0 Detected an NV50 generation card (0x092888a2). What is an NV50 generation card? Could its driver be blocking the video driver? Errr... nv != nouveau Try replacing the word vesa with nouveau in your Xorg.conf, then see what happens. -- Sam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
