Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 9:45 PM home user wrote: > (Fedora 38; home workstation; Thunderbird 115.5.0) > > In early October, I upgraded from Fedora-37 to Fedora-38. Since then, > I've been consistently experiencing two types of misbehavior in Thunderbird. > > 1. When I switch e-mail accounts or folders within an e-mail account, the > list of messages (shows subject, sender, date, time, etc.) consistently > scrolls away from the most recent message by several lines. It also often > does this when I manually scroll to a desired message and select it. > Further, when I delete a message, the message list scrolls by several lines. > > 2. In the calendar, when I select a date and click any of the New Event > things (button, menu item, etc.), the Thunderbird window locks up. I have > to click the New Event thing a few times before Thunderbird unlocks. Then > a few new event GUIs pop up. After that, I am able to create the new event. > > These problems showed up immediately after the F37 to F38 upgrade. So the > problems seem more likely to be the Fedora upgrade rather than Thunderbird > itself. Six Thunderbird patches (according to dnf history) since the > upgrade have made no difference. > > How do I fix this? > I use two Thunderbird on two systems that were upgraded from F37 to F38 without problems, but recently did a fresh install of F39 on both systems and have not encountered problems with Thunderbird (using Gnome/Wayland). In the past I have had problems with Thunderbird upgrades that were "solved" by deleting the old ~/.thunderbird and configuring from scratch. -- George N. White III -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On 12/5/23 8:59 PM, home user wrote: On 12/5/23 7:39 PM, John Mellor wrote: On 2023-12-05 8:45 p.m., home user wrote: (Fedora 38; home workstation; Thunderbird 115.5.0) In early October, I upgraded from Fedora-37 to Fedora-38. Since then, I've been consistently experiencing two types of misbehavior in Thunderbird. 1. When I switch e-mail accounts or folders within an e-mail account, the list of messages (shows subject, sender, date, time, etc.) consistently scrolls away from the most recent message by several lines. It also often does this when I manually scroll to a desired message and select it. Further, when I delete a message, the message list scrolls by several lines. 2. In the calendar, when I select a date and click any of the New Event things (button, menu item, etc.), the Thunderbird window locks up. I have to click the New Event thing a few times before Thunderbird unlocks. Then a few new event GUIs pop up. After that, I am able to create the new event. These problems showed up immediately after the F37 to F38 upgrade. So the problems seem more likely to be the Fedora upgrade rather than Thunderbird itself. Six Thunderbird patches (according to dnf history) since the upgrade have made no difference. How do I fix this? The F37 -> F38 upgrade completely messed up the Thunderbird install. That should have been a blocker issue, but wasn't for some reason. Because of the new X/Wayland behaviour changes, you need to install the thunderbird-wayland package as a wrapper to fix the platform breakage, and change your app on the toolbar to be the thunderbird-wayland wrapper instead of referencing plain old thunderbird. There are plans to fix this Wayland issue with a Thunderbird redesign , but I don't think that there is a timeline for that to be released yet. Yes, it sucks when the platform APIs that your key app depends upon are unstable. Meanwhile, this wrapper hack should be put in the Fedora FAQs and the Fedora known workarounds lists. I almost always use Gnome with X, not wayland. Even the test I reported in my previous post (in response to Richard) was KDE with X, not wayland. Should thunderbird-wayland be installed and used by us X users? I went ahead and installed it this morning. It is an improvement, but doesn't fix everything... 1. (e-mail) ...switching e-mail accounts or folders - not fixed. ...scrolling to and selecting a different message - fixed. ...deleting a message - fixed. 2. creating calendar events - not fixed. I've tested in Gnome with X so far. (just conversation) yeah, I know the switch to wayland is coming, and I will have to adapt eventually. I wonder how "glitchy" things will be when that happens. I'd be a little surprised if there are statistics for these, but I'm curious. Currently, - what is the most used desktop environment among the members of this list? - which is most used among members of this list: X or wayland? -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On 12/06/2023 06:57 AM, John Mellor wrote: X is no longer maintained properly, and by F38 is no longer fully functional. More functionality removal has happened in F39, and I believe that it is on the feature list of F40 for full removal. And what's going to happen to those of us using a DE that doesn't yet work with Wayland? -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On Wed, 2023-12-06 at 08:57 -0500, John Mellor wrote: > On 2023-12-05 22:59, home user wrote: > > . . . > > I almost always use Gnome with X, not wayland. Even the test I > > reported in my previous post (in response to Richard) was KDE with > > X, > > not wayland. Should thunderbird-wayland be installed and used by > > us X > > users? > X is no longer maintained properly, and by F38 is no longer fully > functional. More functionality removal has happened in F39, and I > believe that it is on the feature list of F40 for full removal. The > KDE > and other desktops are also going away from X for the same reasons. > Fedora (and almost every distro now) has gone with Wayland - the > successor to X mostly written by the original X developers. So, while > many parts of the X APIs are working and therefore most of your apps > are > functioning properly, you need to get yourself off of depending upon > it > in the next 6 months or so. Things like remote X desktops have been > designed out of Wayland, so you are maybe going to lose functionality > and have to use lesser-capable mechanisms like Microsoft-style > desktop > sharing for example. I'll do that once KDE-Wayland is fully functional. Currently it simply is not. For one thing, there is no support for session save/restore, which IMHO is a basic feature. poc -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On 2023-12-05 22:59, home user wrote: . . . I almost always use Gnome with X, not wayland. Even the test I reported in my previous post (in response to Richard) was KDE with X, not wayland. Should thunderbird-wayland be installed and used by us X users? X is no longer maintained properly, and by F38 is no longer fully functional. More functionality removal has happened in F39, and I believe that it is on the feature list of F40 for full removal. The KDE and other desktops are also going away from X for the same reasons. Fedora (and almost every distro now) has gone with Wayland - the successor to X mostly written by the original X developers. So, while many parts of the X APIs are working and therefore most of your apps are functioning properly, you need to get yourself off of depending upon it in the next 6 months or so. Things like remote X desktops have been designed out of Wayland, so you are maybe going to lose functionality and have to use lesser-capable mechanisms like Microsoft-style desktop sharing for example. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On 12/5/23 7:39 PM, John Mellor wrote: On 2023-12-05 8:45 p.m., home user wrote: (Fedora 38; home workstation; Thunderbird 115.5.0) In early October, I upgraded from Fedora-37 to Fedora-38. Since then, I've been consistently experiencing two types of misbehavior in Thunderbird. 1. When I switch e-mail accounts or folders within an e-mail account, the list of messages (shows subject, sender, date, time, etc.) consistently scrolls away from the most recent message by several lines. It also often does this when I manually scroll to a desired message and select it. Further, when I delete a message, the message list scrolls by several lines. 2. In the calendar, when I select a date and click any of the New Event things (button, menu item, etc.), the Thunderbird window locks up. I have to click the New Event thing a few times before Thunderbird unlocks. Then a few new event GUIs pop up. After that, I am able to create the new event. These problems showed up immediately after the F37 to F38 upgrade. So the problems seem more likely to be the Fedora upgrade rather than Thunderbird itself. Six Thunderbird patches (according to dnf history) since the upgrade have made no difference. How do I fix this? The F37 -> F38 upgrade completely messed up the Thunderbird install. That should have been a blocker issue, but wasn't for some reason. Because of the new X/Wayland behaviour changes, you need to install the thunderbird-wayland package as a wrapper to fix the platform breakage, and change your app on the toolbar to be the thunderbird-wayland wrapper instead of referencing plain old thunderbird. There are plans to fix this Wayland issue with a Thunderbird redesign , but I don't think that there is a timeline for that to be released yet. Yes, it sucks when the platform APIs that your key app depends upon are unstable. Meanwhile, this wrapper hack should be put in the Fedora FAQs and the Fedora known workarounds lists. I almost always use Gnome with X, not wayland. Even the test I reported in my previous post (in response to Richard) was KDE with X, not wayland. Should thunderbird-wayland be installed and used by us X users? -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On 12/5/23 6:55 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: On 12/5/23 20:45, home user wrote: (Fedora 38; home workstation; Thunderbird 115.5.0) In early October, I upgraded from Fedora-37 to Fedora-38. Since then, I've been consistently experiencing two types of misbehavior in Thunderbird. 1. When I switch e-mail accounts or folders within an e-mail account, the list of messages (shows subject, sender, date, time, etc.) consistently scrolls away from the most recent message by several lines. It also often does this when I manually scroll to a desired message and select it. Further, when I delete a message, the message list scrolls by several lines. 2. In the calendar, when I select a date and click any of the New Event things (button, menu item, etc.), the Thunderbird window locks up. I have to click the New Event thing a few times before Thunderbird unlocks. Then a few new event GUIs pop up. After that, I am able to create the new event. These problems showed up immediately after the F37 to F38 upgrade. So the problems seem more likely to be the Fedora upgrade rather than Thunderbird itself. Six Thunderbird patches (according to dnf history) since the upgrade have made no difference. How do I fix this? First thing, I'd try setting up a new profile. Command line: # thunderbird -ProfileManager and then create a new profile. Then add one of your accounts and see if the problem persists. If so, you might check if the problem exists with some other desktop or window manager. I use Thunderbird constantly, and have not seen this problem. That said, I froze Thuderbird at 102.9.1, because I was having trouble with the themes under the newer versions. So it's possible the problem exists only in newer versions. First, I tried the easier thing: another desktop manager. I used KDE rather than Gnome. The problems did not occur. But the fonts were wrong, though both the system fonts and Thunderbird's fonts are set properly. By the way, Thunderbird worked fine the day before the full upgrade from f37 to f38. I do not know what the Thunderbird version was; dnf history did not show it. I patch everything weekly. A few years ago, with help from a Thunderbird programmer, I had to make difficult changes to my profile/settings/configuration. I no longer recall what those were, but I don't want to lose them. So to try your first suggestion, I'll use a separate user account in which I do not use Thunderbird. Let me address John's post first. I'll get to thunderbird -ProfileManager after that, if John's suggestion does not work for me. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: f38: 2 Thunderbird misbehaviors.
On 2023-12-05 8:45 p.m., home user wrote: (Fedora 38; home workstation; Thunderbird 115.5.0) In early October, I upgraded from Fedora-37 to Fedora-38. Since then, I've been consistently experiencing two types of misbehavior in Thunderbird. 1. When I switch e-mail accounts or folders within an e-mail account, the list of messages (shows subject, sender, date, time, etc.) consistently scrolls away from the most recent message by several lines. It also often does this when I manually scroll to a desired message and select it. Further, when I delete a message, the message list scrolls by several lines. 2. In the calendar, when I select a date and click any of the New Event things (button, menu item, etc.), the Thunderbird window locks up. I have to click the New Event thing a few times before Thunderbird unlocks. Then a few new event GUIs pop up. After that, I am able to create the new event. These problems showed up immediately after the F37 to F38 upgrade. So the problems seem more likely to be the Fedora upgrade rather than Thunderbird itself. Six Thunderbird patches (according to dnf history) since the upgrade have made no difference. How do I fix this? The F37 -> F38 upgrade completely messed up the Thunderbird install. That should have been a blocker issue, but wasn't for some reason. Because of the new X/Wayland behaviour changes, you need to install the thunderbird-wayland package as a wrapper to fix the platform breakage, and change your app on the toolbar to be the thunderbird-wayland wrapper instead of referencing plain old thunderbird. There are plans to fix this Wayland issue with a Thunderbird redesign , but I don't think that there is a timeline for that to be released yet. Yes, it sucks when the platform APIs that your key app depends upon are unstable. Meanwhile, this wrapper hack should be put in the Fedora FAQs and the Fedora known workarounds lists. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
