Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Niklas Matthies]

Brett, the CVS plugin is provided by the "Certified Plugins" Update Center: 
http://updates.netbeans.org/netbeans/updates/8.2/uc/final/certified/catalog.xml.gz
(See also in NetBeans under Tools -> Plugins -> Settings)

Certified plugins actually have a higher status than plugins in the Plugin 
Portal, cf. http://wiki.netbeans.org/OraclePluginProcess.

Niklas


On Sun 2018-03-11 at 14:15h, Brett Ryan wrote on users:
> I'm still not seeing how you guys got it in, it's clearly not in my
> 8.2 install, and I can not see it anywhere on the plugin portal
> http://plugins.netbeans.org 
> 
> And the documentation says it's not part of the IDE anymore (since
> 7.1) http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> 
> 
> So given the documentation the only way you could get CVS support is
> by installing the plugin.


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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Glenn Holmer]

On 03/10/2018 05:16 PM, Brett Ryan wrote:
> Did you import settings?

Nope.

> I don’t know how you all are getting cvs. When I do a fresh install
> with the same I don’t get it and it doesn’t appear in the plugin
> portal.
> 
>> On 11 Mar 2018, at 09:39, Glenn Holmer  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 03/10/2018 04:19 PM, Brett Ryan wrote: If you are running 8.2,
>>> backup your user dir then delete it and restart, you will not be
>>> able to get cvs support as it is also removed from the plugin
>>> portal.
>> 
>> See attached screenshot (8.2, started with clean userdir). Same
>> result with 9.0 beta.

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[emiddio-frontier]

Additionally see the attached gif of the repositories that plugins come 
from in my nb9beta.


On 3/10/2018 6:04 PM, emiddio-frontier wrote:
I usually use import settings. But just to check i just deleted cache 
and profile dirs of my nb90beta.


Then start netbeans and go to tools/plugins/available plugins, click 
the NAME column to sort by name and look for CVS - It is there.


-Gary

On 3/10/2018 3:16 PM, Brett Ryan wrote:

Did you import settings?

I don’t know how you all are getting cvs. When I do a fresh install 
with the same I don’t get it and it doesn’t appear in the plugin portal.



On 11 Mar 2018, at 09:39, Glenn Holmer  wrote:


On 03/10/2018 04:19 PM, Brett Ryan wrote:
If you are running 8.2, backup your user dir then delete it and 
restart,

you will not be able to get cvs support as it is also removed from the
plugin portal.

See attached screenshot (8.2, started with clean userdir). Same result
with 9.0 beta.

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[emiddio-frontier]

I usually use import settings. But just to check i just deleted cache 
and profile dirs of my nb90beta.


Then start netbeans and go to tools/plugins/available plugins, click the 
NAME column to sort by name and look for CVS - It is there.


-Gary

On 3/10/2018 3:16 PM, Brett Ryan wrote:

Did you import settings?

I don’t know how you all are getting cvs. When I do a fresh install with the 
same I don’t get it and it doesn’t appear in the plugin portal.


On 11 Mar 2018, at 09:39, Glenn Holmer  wrote:


On 03/10/2018 04:19 PM, Brett Ryan wrote:
If you are running 8.2, backup your user dir then delete it and restart,
you will not be able to get cvs support as it is also removed from the
plugin portal.

See attached screenshot (8.2, started with clean userdir). Same result
with 9.0 beta.

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Did you import settings?

I don’t know how you all are getting cvs. When I do a fresh install with the 
same I don’t get it and it doesn’t appear in the plugin portal.

> On 11 Mar 2018, at 09:39, Glenn Holmer  wrote:
> 
>> On 03/10/2018 04:19 PM, Brett Ryan wrote:
>> If you are running 8.2, backup your user dir then delete it and restart,
>> you will not be able to get cvs support as it is also removed from the
>> plugin portal.
> 
> See attached screenshot (8.2, started with clean userdir). Same result
> with 9.0 beta.
> 
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> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> 
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Don Albertson]

On 03/09/2018 08:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
"It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology."


I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider 
the amount of commitment to a particular technology that business
has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular 
technology, then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must
take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because
"younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition
theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that 
lays the new technology golden egg.


It's a balancing act.  My organization has been relying on 30+ year old 
technologies and is replacing the enterprise systems developed in-house 
with purchased systems.  Naturally the business practices that developed 
around the limitations of the existing systems don't fit the 
capabilities of any vendor product and the effects on staff are 
remarkable.  Programmers are becoming obsolete as they are replaced by 
implementation consultants.  I imagine that keeping it all in-house and 
changing the development methodologies would be equally chaotic.  That's 
why it's important to manage change rather than having it overtake your 
organization.


Ting ting blong mi, tasol.

Don


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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Yes, it IS deprecated [1]. Archived features means we no longer provide direct 
support.

  [1]: http://wiki.netbeans.org/NetBeansArchivedFeatures

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 14:15, Niklas Matthies  wrote:
> 
> Nowhere does it say that CVS support is deprecated. It only isn't installed 
> by default any more.
> 
> Niklas
> 
> On Sat 2018-03-10 at 13:16h, Brett Ryan wrote on users:
>> Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have 
>> installed the external plugin.
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
>>> Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
>>> It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
>>> My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
>>> My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
>>> shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
>>> Version: 2.25.1.42.1
>>> Source: Certified Plugins
>>> Plugin Description
>>> Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. 
>>> Version control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in 
>>> streamlining typical team development cycles. 
>>> 
>>> Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
>>> 
>>> -Gary
>>> 
 On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
 "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
 generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
 
 I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
 amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
 has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
 then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
 take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
 built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
 "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
 life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
 theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays 
 the new technology golden egg.
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Niklas Matthies]

Nowhere does it say that CVS support is deprecated. It only isn't installed by 
default any more.

Niklas

On Sat 2018-03-10 at 13:16h, Brett Ryan wrote on users:
> Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have 
> installed the external plugin.
> 
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> 
> 
> > On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier  wrote:
> > 
> > Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
> > Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
> > It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
> > My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
> > My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
> > shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
> > Version: 2.25.1.42.1
> > Source: Certified Plugins
> > Plugin Description
> > Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. 
> > Version control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in 
> > streamlining typical team development cycles. 
> > 
> > Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
> > 
> > -Gary
> > 
> >> On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
> >> "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
> >> generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
> >> 
> >> I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
> >> amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
> >> has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
> >> then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
> >> take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
> >> built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
> >> "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
> >> life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
> >> theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays 
> >> the new technology golden egg. 
> >> 
> > 

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Again, when netbeans actually announced it 6 years ago! You must have installed 
the external plugin.

http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport


> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:48, emiddio-frontier  wrote:
> 
> Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
> Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
> It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
> My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
> My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
> shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
> Version: 2.25.1.42.1
> Source: Certified Plugins
> Plugin Description
> Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. Version 
> control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in streamlining typical 
> team development cycles. 
> 
> Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?
> 
> -Gary
> 
>> On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
>> "It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
>> generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology." 
>> 
>> I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider the 
>> amount of commitment to a particular technology that business 
>> has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular technology, 
>> then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must 
>> take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is built 
>> using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because 
>> "younger" people like something else. This is business and business is life 
>> to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition 
>> theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that lays the 
>> new technology golden egg. 
>> 
> 

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 12:02, Thomas Wolf  wrote:
> 
> "How are you even using CVS" - because it's there?!  See attached screen 
> shots.  It's even labeled "Base IDE", which makes it look pretty  darn 
> integral rather than externalized.   I installed NB 8.2 on a brand new Mac 
> and don't recall doing anything in particular to get it either.

It’s not part of NetBeans IDE though, support was removed about 6-7 years ago 
to en external plugin in the plugin portal, again here’s the URL explaining it 
[1]. “Base IDE” is just the name of the category the plugin lives in, which 
should actually be “Team Collaboration”.

You could have only got CVS support by installing the plugin which used to 
prompt you if you opened a cvs project but had to install manually to do a 
checkout. But the plugin no longer appears in the plugin portal [2].

  [1]: http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
  [2]: http://plugins.netbeans.org/

> "If we introduce..." - we're not holding tutorials telling folks to use it or 
> even advocating its use.  It's a plugin for crying out loud.  They can use it 
> or leave it.   Are "young generation" so stupid they can't google and see for 
> themselves that if they use CVS they're using old tech?

That’s not exactly what I meant. And yes, if it’s a burden to support edge 
cases then the edge cases should be discouraged. Just as my analogy that IE9 
has wide support to discontinue its use component developers actively encourage 
this.

We should support the currently wide spread technologies and externalise 
support for diminishing tech. We could focus out efforts on what other IDE’s 
are doing like scala support, which the other major IDE’s support out of the 
box (they don’t support CVS).

> "When we continue to support deprecation..."  CVS isn't "deprecated" because 
> there isn't an organization that can proclaim it so  - it's just older 
> technology that isn't worth using on new projects.  But it's definitely still 
> in heavy use and, therefore, an IDE should still support it..

Without doing the analysis i’m not sure what the widespread use is.

> "When you continue to support deprecation well beyond it's EOL..." - give me 
> the date that CVS went EOL???  I must have missed that announcement!

When the CVS maintainers stopped working on CVS and started on SVN, they’re the 
same guys, and made the same mistakes in SVN, i think it started in 2001, I 
can’t even remember the last publicised book.

> We just have different views on the subject.  And I don't really have a leg 
> to stand on: it's up to Netbeans developers and contributors to decide 
> whether to support that plugin.  But I'm 100% sure that there's still 
> wide-spread use of it out there and that means Netbeans will lose some users 
> if it drops support.

It won’t lose users, it never did when the plugin got dropped :)

> Anyway,
> This is a good discussion to have had.  Let's leave it at that.  Attached are 
> the screen shots.
> tom
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 10 Mar 2018, at 10:23, Thomas Wolf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Who created this external plugin and currently maintains it?  If the answer 
>>> is “Netbeans”, then I disagree with regards to testing it.
>> 
>> NetBeans did, they also created the Java CVS Client which was a huge burden 
>> to continue to maintain which is why the whole things was externalised 
>> outside of NetBeans Core.
>> 
>> The reason why plugins become externalised/archived is so the core IDE can 
>> evolve beyond legacy plugins.
>> 
>>> I don’t think anyone is advocating holding back younger generations - 
>>> that’s really being overly dramatic.
>> 
>> If we introduce them to deprecated technologies, then yes; we are holding 
>> them back.
>> 
>>> The CVS plugin (and I imagine SVN as well) is pretty rock solid by now.
>> 
>> How are you even using CVS? I can't even find it on the plugin portal 
>> anymore, it's been completely removed!
>> 
>>> I can’t imagine it requiring massive resources to maintain.
>> 
>> It was a massive resource to maintain, that's precisely why it was removed.
>> 
>>> On the other hand, as was explained above, lots of people still use these 
>>> “legacy” repositories.  An IDE is only as useful as the breadth of 
>>> functionality it provides its developers.
>> 
>> Fine, then legacy should not be part of core. There's no need to continue 
>> supporting legacy, this is why JavaScript libraries remove support for IE8,
>> 
>> When you continue to support deprecation well beyond it's EOL then it does 
>> hold back the community at large.
>> 
>>> Tom
>>> 
 On Mar 9, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
 
 Since CVS is an external plugin we do not need it tested. SVN on the other 
 hand does need to be tested as it’s still part of the core, I’ve mentioned 
 this a couple times now.
 
 It is interesting hearing the commentary on 

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[emiddio-frontier]

Completely agree (keep CVS) - last job only recently moved from cvs to git.
Netbeans is not just used to develop new projects and new code.
It is used with existing code bases and companies with long lived projects.
My vote again keep SVN, and continue to offer the CSV support that exists.
My NB8.2 has CVS in it - looking at tools/plugins/installed - show details
shows Name CVS, Category Base IDE - description:
*Version: *2.25.1.42.1
*Source: *Certified Plugins
Plugin Description
Introduces project level CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) features. 
Version control actions, such as diff, update, and commit aid in 
streamlining typical team development cycles.


Where do you get idea CVS is deprecated in Netbeans ?

-Gary

On 3/9/2018 5:31 PM, Jerry Nicholson wrote:
"It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger 
generations by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology."


I could not disagree more. It is important for youngsters to consider 
the amount of commitment to a particular technology that business
has. If a company that employs many people uses a particular 
technology, then the transition to newer, possibly better technology must
take that into account. If there is a large amount of software that is 
built using some package or another, it is stupid to just dump it because
"younger" people like something else. This is business and business is 
life to programmers. You like getting paid? Rethink your transition
theology. We all want new technology, but don't kill the goose that 
lays the new technology golden egg.

Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Since CVS is an external plugin we do not need it tested. SVN on the other hand 
does need to be tested as it’s still part of the core, I’ve mentioned this a 
couple times now.

It is interesting hearing the commentary on perceptions of DVCS solutions (Git, 
hg). Both of these are far easier to use and require no server (svn needs an 
apache web server, cvs needs a proprietary server), branching/forking/merging 
is so easy it’s unbelievable.

It’s important for all technology that we don’t hold back younger generations 
by supporting legacy as it slows evolution of technology.

Anyway watch Linus Torvalds talk from 2007 on git at google 
https://youtu.be/4XpnKHJAok8

> On 10 Mar 2018, at 04:32, Thomas Wolf  wrote:
> 
> I can join NetCAT since there’s a shortage of CVS users, but I’m not sure I 
> will be able to do extensive testing since, as I mentioned, I only use CVS 
> when accessing the company’s other projects.  But under the motto “something 
> is better than nothing”...
> 
> tom
> 
>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The support for CVS is provided as a separate plugin and has been for years. 
>> It’s really interesting to hear from various people in this thread that 
>> they’re making use of this feature. Would be great to have a few of them 
>> join the NetCAT program to give feedback on how the CVS plugin works in the 
>> upcoming Apache NetBeans 9.0 release.
>> 
>> Gj
>> 
>>> On Friday, March 9, 2018, Philip Wasson  wrote:
>>> What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git is 
>>> not worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that 
>>> Git doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an 
>>> option in every situation.
>>> 
 On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
 
 I'm using SVN. 
 
 I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce 
 the usefulnes of NB for me.
 -- 
 Eduard
 
 David Heffelfinger wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
> 
> David
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
>>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>> 
>> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we 
>> remove svn also.
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>> 
>>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS 
>>> or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for 
>>> volunteers.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
 I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS 
 taken out in 7.?
 
 On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  
 wrote:
 
> All,
> 
> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need 
> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test 
> integration with these two VCS tools.
> 
> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your 
> help. Please sign up at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
> 
> Thanks!
> David
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Thomas Wolf]

I can join NetCAT since there’s a shortage of CVS users, but I’m not sure I 
will be able to do extensive testing since, as I mentioned, I only use CVS when 
accessing the company’s other projects.  But under the motto “something is 
better than nothing”...

tom

> On Mar 9, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The support for CVS is provided as a separate plugin and has been for years. 
> It’s really interesting to hear from various people in this thread that 
> they’re making use of this feature. Would be great to have a few of them join 
> the NetCAT program to give feedback on how the CVS plugin works in the 
> upcoming Apache NetBeans 9.0 release.
> 
> Gj
> 
>> On Friday, March 9, 2018, Philip Wasson  wrote:
>> What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git is 
>> not worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that Git 
>> doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an option 
>> in every situation.
>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm using SVN. 
>>> 
>>> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the 
>>> usefulnes of NB for me.
>>> -- 
>>> Eduard
>>> 
>>> David Heffelfinger wrote:
 Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
 
 David
 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
> 
> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we 
> remove svn also.
> 
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> 
>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS 
>> or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for 
>> volunteers.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS 
>>> taken out in 7.?
>>> 
 On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  
 wrote:
 
 All,
 
 This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need 
 volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test 
 integration with these two VCS tools.
 
 If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your 
 help. Please sign up at 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
 
 Thanks!
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

The support for CVS is provided as a separate plugin and has been for
years. It’s really interesting to hear from various people in this thread
that they’re making use of this feature. Would be great to have a few of
them join the NetCAT program to give feedback on how the CVS plugin works
in the upcoming Apache NetBeans 9.0 release.

Gj

On Friday, March 9, 2018, Philip Wasson  wrote:

> What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git
> is not worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that
> Git doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an
> option in every situation.
>
> On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
>
> I'm using SVN.
>
> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce
> the usefulnes of NB for me.
> --
> Eduard
>
> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>
> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at
>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>>
>>
>> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we
>> remove svn also.
>>
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>>
>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS
>> or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for
>> volunteers.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS
>>> taken out in 7.?
>>>
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need
>>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test
>>> integration with these two VCS tools.
>>>
>>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your
>>> help. Please sign up at https://cwiki.apache.org/co
>>> nfluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
>>>
>>> --
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>>> My Video Training: http://www.packtpub.com/java-e
>>> e-development-with-netbeans-7/video
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>>>
>>
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Philip Wasson]

What he said. We're using SVN for lots of projects, and switching to Git is not 
worth the effort in our situation. Plus, SVN offers some things that Git 
doesn't, such as fine-grained access controls, so Git isn't even an option in 
every situation.

> On Mar 8, 2018, at 09:05, Eduard  wrote:
> 
> I'm using SVN. 
> 
> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the 
> usefulnes of NB for me.
> -- 
> Eduard
> 
> David Heffelfinger wrote:
>> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger > > wrote:
>> 
>>> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
>>> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view 
>>> .
>> 
>> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we 
>> remove svn also.
>> 
>> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport 
>>> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or 
>>> SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan >> > wrote:
>>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
>>> out in 7.?
>>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger >> > wrote:
>>> 
 All,
 
 This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
 that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
 these two VCS tools.
 
 If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
 Please sign up at 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants
  
 .
 
 Thanks!
 David
 
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 Technology Topics
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 My Video Training: 
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>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[David Cogen]

On 03/08/2018 07:25 AM, Brett Ryan wrote:
I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken out 
in 7.?
I would be EXTREMELY inconvenienced if CVS or SVN support were removed from 
netbeans. Here were still use both extensively. (We use git too, but our CVS 
isn't going away anytime soon.)



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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Jerry Nicholson]

Yes, meant to say SAF.

Jerry Nicholson
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On 3/8/2018 4:02 PM, Wade Chandler wrote:

On Mar 8, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Jerry Nicholson  wrote:

Virtually our entire product line uses Swing and that was killed off. That was 
also a bad idea.


Are you talking about the Swing Application Framework support? If so, that 
isn’t necessarily Swing, other than it relied on Swing. The NB RCP does too, 
and it will still be around along with the Swing Form Editor etc.

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[cowwoc]

On 2018-03-08 12:08 PM, Glenn Holmer wrote:

On 03/08/2018 07:36 AM, Brett Ryan wrote:

On 8 Mar 2018, at 23:28, Thomas Kellerer  wrote:

Deprecate Subversion? Really? This is still wildly used.

It shouldn’t be, and we should discourage its continued use.
Unsupported plugins available to provide capability is how it should
be handled.

I treat svn/cvs like IE8, let’s discourage its use by not supporting.
If your starting a new project with svn or cvs you should question
why.

That's completely inappropriate. It's not up to you or the NetBeans
project to "discourage its use", especially since Subversion is also an
Apache project.

CVS is another story entirely.

P.S. I'm speaking as someone who has migrated from svn to git.


SVN will live on forever, as will CVS and Clearcase. There will always 
be some enterprise somewhere that uses it. As someone rightfully said, 
let's judge by real usage numbers.


How much development effort is involved in keeping SVN support (is it 
already working? Is keeping support "free"?) vs what percentage of our 
users actively use it. Is it 1%? 10%? 50%?


Gili

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

Ok, so it seems there’s a large support base for continued use of svn. Could we 
use some of you to build up the svn tribe?

> On 9 Mar 2018, at 06:28, Miller, David D <david.mil...@ncr.com> wrote:
> 
> Our company uses SVN.  Killing off support for SVN would be a very bad idea 
> at this time.
>  
> From: Claus Lüthje [mailto:claus.luet...@thetop.ch] 
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 12:48 PM
> To: Dawn Raison <d...@lemur.co.uk>
> Cc: users@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?
>  
> Absolutely.
> 
> Am 08.03.2018 um 18:44 schrieb Dawn Raison <d...@lemur.co.uk>:
> 
> Another NetBeans SVN user here.
> 
> I suspect removing support for it would be a foot shooting exercise.
> 
> BTW, I can host a remote test SVN repo if anyone would find that helpful.
> 
> Dawn
> 
>  
> On 08/03/2018 14:05, Eduard wrote:
> I'm using SVN. 
> 
> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the 
> usefulnes of NB for me.
> -- 
> Eduard
> 
> David Heffelfinger wrote:
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
> 
> David
>  
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  
> 
> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>  
> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we remove 
> svn also.
>  
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> 
> 
> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or 
> SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.
> 
> David
>  
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan <brett.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
> out in 7.?
> 
> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger <dheffelfin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
>  
> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
> that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
> these two VCS tools.
>  
> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
> Please sign up at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>  
> Thanks!
> David
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[don]

On 03/08/2018 08:48 AM, Thomas Kellerer wrote:

Brett Ryan schrieb am 08.03.2018 um 14:36:

On 8 Mar 2018, at 23:28, Thomas Kellerer  wrote:

Deprecate Subversion? Really? This is still wildly used.

It shouldn’t be, and we should discourage its continued use. Unsupported 
plugins available to provide capability is how it should be handled.

I treat svn/cvs like IE8, let’s discourage its use by not supporting. If your 
starting a new project with svn or cvs you should question why.

Trimming legacy helps reduce edge cases and helps deliver value going forward 
without the need to worry about edge cases.

SVN can't be considered the same as CVS.

Half of the projects I'm working on still use SVN.
It would be a major PITA if NetBeans would not support that any more.



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SVN is ideal for projects that have limited scope where GIT and 
Mercurial are overkill.
If it becomes moribund and is no longer supported by its team, I would 
expect it to wither away of its own accord.


dga

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Glenn Holmer]

On 03/08/2018 07:36 AM, Brett Ryan wrote:
>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 23:28, Thomas Kellerer  wrote:
>> 
>> Deprecate Subversion? Really? This is still wildly used.
> 
> It shouldn’t be, and we should discourage its continued use.
> Unsupported plugins available to provide capability is how it should
> be handled.
> 
> I treat svn/cvs like IE8, let’s discourage its use by not supporting.
> If your starting a new project with svn or cvs you should question
> why.

That's completely inappropriate. It's not up to you or the NetBeans
project to "discourage its use", especially since Subversion is also an
Apache project.

CVS is another story entirely.

P.S. I'm speaking as someone who has migrated from svn to git.

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Paul Franz]

The dev list seems to agree with you.

Paul Franz
Senior Principal Applications Engineer
Oracle Transportation Management


On 8 Mar 2018, at 11:28, Niklas Matthies wrote:

SVN is still widely used within companies, including my workplace. In 
many such environments with long-running projects involving hundreds 
of SVN modules, the benefits of Git do not outweigh the cost of 
switching and the additional usage complexity Git brings about. SVN 
will stay relevant for quite a while. I'd be absolutely against 
dropping support for it.


Niklas


On Thu 2018-03-08 at 15:05h, Eduard wrote on users:

I'm using SVN.

I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly 
reduce the

usefulnes of NB for me.
--
Eduard

David Heffelfinger wrote:
Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT 
organizers.


David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > wrote:



On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger
> 
wrote:



We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__netbeans-2Dvm.apache.org_synergy_client_app_-23_tribe_32_view=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=FjvsW90PKoOYMVsj6ymexkCdiXoDvGSnRuj2IoGocmg=fIgy52D99-L3DvLWPJ4alLlm9cvt-xeItaiQkg9EsvU=EcmJw5w5_JwgxWVY0cXI7CbhRL7cdQVx1VkrFecP7nQ=

.


You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I
vote we remove svn also.


https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__wiki.netbeans.org_CVSSupport=DwIDaQ=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE=FjvsW90PKoOYMVsj6ymexkCdiXoDvGSnRuj2IoGocmg=fIgy52D99-L3DvLWPJ4alLlm9cvt-xeItaiQkg9EsvU=HgIrsiEMRjHiS3hL4HvteRrCHGMxBRn4V8nrfgbr1vo=



None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have 
access

to CVS or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're
looking for volunteers.

David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan 
> wrote:

I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually
wasn’t CVS taken out in 7.?

On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger
> 
wrote:



All,

This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We
need volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to
help us test integration with these two VCS tools.

If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really
use your help. Please sign up at

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.

Thanks!
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Niklas Matthies]

SVN is still widely used within companies, including my workplace. In many such 
environments with long-running projects involving hundreds of SVN modules, the 
benefits of Git do not outweigh the cost of switching and the additional usage 
complexity Git brings about. SVN will stay relevant for quite a while. I'd be 
absolutely against dropping support for it.

Niklas


On Thu 2018-03-08 at 15:05h, Eduard wrote on users:
> I'm using SVN.
> 
> I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce the
> usefulnes of NB for me.
> -- 
> Eduard
> 
> David Heffelfinger wrote:
> > Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  > > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger
> > > wrote:
> > 
> > > We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at
> > > http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view
> > > .
> > 
> > You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I
> > vote we remove svn also.
> > 
> > http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
> > 
> > 
> > > None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access
> > > to CVS or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're
> > > looking for volunteers.
> > > 
> > > David
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually
> > > wasn’t CVS taken out in 7.?
> > > 
> > > On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > All,
> > > > 
> > > > This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We
> > > > need volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to
> > > > help us test integration with these two VCS tools.
> > > > 
> > > > If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really
> > > > use your help. Please sign up at
> > > > 
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants
> > > > 
> > > > .
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Eduard]

I'm using SVN.

I'd be against removing SVN support from NB, doing would greatly reduce 
the usefulnes of NB for me.

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David Heffelfinger wrote:

Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.

David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan > wrote:




On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger
> wrote:


We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view
.


You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I
vote we remove svn also.

http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport



None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access
to CVS or SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're
looking for volunteers.

David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan > wrote:

I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually
wasn’t CVS taken out in 7.?

On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger
> wrote:


All,

This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We
need volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to
help us test integration with these two VCS tools.

If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really
use your help. Please sign up at

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants

.

Thanks!
David

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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Wade Chandler]

This is a discussion for the dev channel whether to remove something or
not. The data should tell us if we should remove something or not; first
step. Too, it is another Apache top level project.

Thanks

Wade


On Mar 8, 2018 08:36, "Brett Ryan"  wrote:

>
> > On 8 Mar 2018, at 23:28, Thomas Kellerer  wrote:
> >
> > Deprecate Subversion? Really? This is still wildly used.
>
> It shouldn’t be, and we should discourage its continued use. Unsupported
> plugins available to provide capability is how it should be handled.
>
> I treat svn/cvs like IE8, let’s discourage its use by not supporting. If
> your starting a new project with svn or cvs you should question why.
>
> Trimming legacy helps reduce edge cases and helps deliver value going
> forward without the need to worry about edge cases.
>
> > Brett Ryan schrieb am 08.03.2018 um 13:25:
> >> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS
> taken out in 7.?
> >>
> >>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need
> >>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test
> >>> integration with these two VCS tools.
> >>>
> >>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your
> >>> help. Please sign up at
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> David
> >
> >
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[David Heffelfinger]

Thanks for bringing this up, I'll discuss with the NetCAT organizers.

David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:

>
>
> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger 
> wrote:
>
> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at
> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.
>
>
> You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we
> remove svn also.
>
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport
>
> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or
> SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>
>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS
>> taken out in 7.?
>>
>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger 
>> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need
>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test
>> integration with these two VCS tools.
>>
>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help.
>> Please sign up at https://cwiki.apache.org/co
>> nfluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> David
>>
>> --
>> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
>> My Video Training: http://www.packtpub.com/java-e
>> e-development-with-netbeans-7/video
>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
>>
>>
>
>
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> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
> My Video Training: http://www.packtpub.com/java-
> ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
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>
>


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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

> On 9 Mar 2018, at 00:34, David Heffelfinger  wrote:
> 
> We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at 
> http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.

You can remove cvs, just checked, it was removed in 7.1 RC1. I vote we remove 
svn also.

http://wiki.netbeans.org/CVSSupport

> None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or 
> SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.
> 
> David
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:
>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
>> out in 7.?
>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
>>> that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
>>> these two VCS tools.
>>> 
>>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
>>> Please sign up at 
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
>>> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
>>> My Video Training: 
>>> http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
>>> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

> On 8 Mar 2018, at 23:28, Thomas Kellerer  wrote:
> 
> Deprecate Subversion? Really? This is still wildly used. 

It shouldn’t be, and we should discourage its continued use. Unsupported 
plugins available to provide capability is how it should be handled.

I treat svn/cvs like IE8, let’s discourage its use by not supporting. If your 
starting a new project with svn or cvs you should question why.

Trimming legacy helps reduce edge cases and helps deliver value going forward 
without the need to worry about edge cases.

> Brett Ryan schrieb am 08.03.2018 um 13:25:
>> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
>> out in 7.?
>> 
>>> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need
>>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test
>>> integration with these two VCS tools.
>>> 
>>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your
>>> help. Please sign up at
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> David
> 
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[David Heffelfinger]

We have Test Specifications for both CVS and SVN at
http://netbeans-vm.apache.org/synergy/client/app/#/tribe/32/view.

None of the NetCAT 9.0 Version Control tribe members have access to CVS or
SVN repositories to test against, that's why we're looking for volunteers.

David

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Brett Ryan  wrote:

> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken
> out in 7.?
>
> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger 
> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers
> that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with
> these two VCS tools.
>
> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help.
> Please sign up at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>
> Thanks!
> David
>
> --
> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
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> ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Thomas Kellerer]

Deprecate Subversion? Really? This is still wildly used. 

Brett Ryan schrieb am 08.03.2018 um 13:25:
> I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken 
> out in 7.?
> 
> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  > wrote:
> 
>> All,
>>
>> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need
>> volunteers that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test
>> integration with these two VCS tools.
>> 
>> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your
>> help. Please sign up at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> David


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Re: Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[Brett Ryan]

I thought we deprecated both of these years ago? Actually wasn’t CVS taken out 
in 7.?

> On 8 Mar 2018, at 21:56, David Heffelfinger  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers 
> that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with 
> these two VCS tools.
> 
> If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help. 
> Please sign up at 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants.
> 
> Thanks!
> David
> 
> -- 
> http://ensode.net - A Guide to Java, Linux and Other Technology Topics
> My Books: http://www.packtpub.com/authors/profiles/david-heffelfinger
> My Video Training: 
> http://www.packtpub.com/java-ee-development-with-netbeans-7/video
> Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ensode

Do you use NetBeans with SVN or CVS?

[David Heffelfinger]

All,

This year I'm leading the NetCAT Version Control Tribe. We need volunteers
that are using NetBeans with CVS or SVN to help us test integration with
these two VCS tools.

If you are using NetBeans with either one, we could really use your help.
Please sign up at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+9.0+Participants
.

Thanks!
David

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