Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 12:50:58 PM James Knott wrote: upscope wrote: Another area I found to be a real pain on most mailing lists. To unsubscribe you must do it from the address you originally scribed from. That means you have to it before you change ISP's. I ran into this when I moved 250 miles from my old ISP. Not knowing new ISP at that time, I could not log on and change addresses and could not unsubscribe old address. Old location was DSL, new one was 100 Mbit/s fiber optic. Just resubscribe from your new address. When the old account is closed, the messages will be rejected and the list should then stop sending to that old address. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org Thanks I'll try that. Russ -- openSUSE 13.1(Linux 3.11.10-7-desktop x86_64| Intel(R) Quad Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz|8GB DDR3| GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.49)|KDE 4.12.3 --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
On Monday, March 10, 2014 10:12:06 PM Tom Panfil wrote: [snip] Hello OpenOffice Apache Moderators, I don't want to unsubscribe from any of the three project lists to which I subscribe (users, dev, api) but like you, I've seen too many requests sent to the lists from people who want to unsubscribe. I assume that something is finally done administratively to unsubscribe their addresses since they eventually stop pestering. Many people who are members of ACM or IEEE or other professional associations register using a Remailer Address serviced by the organization. The use of a Remailer Address enables provision of at [/snip] Another area I found to be a real pain on most mailing lists. To unsubscribe you must do it from the address you originally scribed from. That means you have to it before you change ISP's. I ran into this when I moved 250 miles from my old ISP. Not knowing new ISP at that time, I could not log on and change addresses and could not unsubscribe old address. Old location was DSL, new one was 100 Mbit/s fiber optic. be nice if you could specify old log-in address in the unsubscribe message. Russ -- openSUSE 13.1(Linux 3.11.10-7-desktop x86_64| Intel(R) Quad Core(TM) i5-4440 CPU @ 3.10GHz|8GB DDR3| GeForce 8400GS (NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-331.49)|KDE 4.12.3 --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
upscope wrote: Another area I found to be a real pain on most mailing lists. To unsubscribe you must do it from the address you originally scribed from. That means you have to it before you change ISP's. I ran into this when I moved 250 miles from my old ISP. Not knowing new ISP at that time, I could not log on and change addresses and could not unsubscribe old address. Old location was DSL, new one was 100 Mbit/s fiber optic. Just resubscribe from your new address. When the old account is closed, the messages will be rejected and the list should then stop sending to that old address. --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Tom Panfil tap.h...@verizon.net wrote: These people *cannot* send from their Remailer Addresses. They do, if they use GMail SMTP servers which allow setting up aliases for sending email. FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Tom Panfil tap.h...@verizon.net wrote: These people *cannot* send from their Remailer Addresses. They do, if they use GMail SMTP servers which allow setting up aliases for sending email. And remember, Moderators are generally happy to help users unsubscribe if they run into actual technical difficulties. One way they can indicate they are running into problems would be to send a note that says something like: 1) I tried to unsubscribe 2) Here is the command I sent 3) Here is the error message I received back -Rob FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
On 03/11/2014 12:54 AM, Tubular wrote: Back to OO - your explanation made sense until I saw the inability to send from the remailer subscribed email address. When I subscribed to the list, I didn't have options . . . clicked the link and I was added. I have had it happen, but it is an unusual case not likely seen by a normal user. It had to do with a custom server being improperly configured and then later the incorrect user names being fixed. Based on who owned the email domain, emails subscribed with a specific email address (different name) continued to be received properly, but it was no longer possible to use that name for outgoing email. Odd case. What does v/r mean? Very Respectfully What does IMHO mean? In My Humble Opinion Just saw someone is requesting a change of email address - doesn't that require unsubscribing from the original email address then re-subscribing with the new one? Darn, I just opened another can of worms. I believe you to be correct. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php --- List Conduct Guidelines: http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
Thank you, Tom for the insight; however, if these people cannot send email from these type of email addresses, how did they get on the list to start with? Tom Panfil wrote: Hello OpenOffice Apache Moderators, I don't want to unsubscribe from any of the three project lists to which I subscribe (users, dev, api) but like you, I've seen too many requests sent to the lists from people who want to unsubscribe. I assume that something is finally done administratively to unsubscribe their addresses since they eventually stop pestering. Many people who are members of ACM or IEEE or other professional associations register using a Remailer Address serviced by the organization. The use of a Remailer Address enables provision of at least the following services by the organization: * Virus scanning of mail sent to the member's Remailer Address * Quarantining of S--- sent to the member's Remailer Address -- Note that I did not use the S-Word since using it might cause Verizon refuse to send the message considering it to be S. * Forwarding of non-infected non-S--- messages to the member's ISP provided addresses. * Ease of changing of ISPs by simply registering a new ISP supplied e-mail address with the Remailer Service so that mail sent to the Remailer address is forwarded to the member's new current ISP provided address. Correspondents need not be informed of the change of ISP. These people *cannot* send from their Remailer Addresses. They can and usually do include their preferred Remailer Address in the Reply-To field of their message headers. Their e-mail messages are sent from their ISP provided addresses. So, I think that a significant proportion of those who send to the list asking to be removed have tried sending to the address in the footer of the messages and were not removed from the list since they are subscribed with a Remailer Address. That address from which they are send is different from the address which is subscribed I recommend that some mechanism be established for such subscribers to take action to be removed from OpenOffice Apache lists. The instructions they need should be provided in the footer with the other three instructions. I can't imagine that *no* developers and maintainers of OpenOffice know of Remailer Addresses. How could this problem have festered so long? Does the project cadre really not know about Remailer Addresses? If you can maintain Apache projects you must be able to understand this dilemma now that I have explained it somewhat clearly, I think. Note that I am subscribed via an IEEE Remailer address. I'd no doubt have the same problem which these other poor souls have if I'd try to unsubscribe. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3722/6671 - Release Date: 03/09/14
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
Hi Tubular, Well, I just inspected headers and see that I had fooled myself. My original subscription request was: Subject: Subscribe to OpenOffice Users Mailing List Body: Hello, Subscribe tapan...@ieee.org My reply to the confirm subscribe to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org was: Subject: Confirm Subscription to ooo-user Mailing List Body: Hi, I do want to subscribe to the ooo-users mailing list, BUT I would prefer that my mail be set to my Reply-To Address: tapan...@ieee.org Rather than to my From Address: tap.h...@verizon.net The resulting WELCOME message said in part: Acknowledgment: I have added the address tap.h...@verizon.net to the ooo-users mailing list. Welcome to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org! Please save this message so that you know the address you are subscribed under, in case you later want to unsubscribe or change your subscription address. So, my attempt to con the list server to use my IEEE Remailer address failed. It looks like people are not allowed to subscribe via their preferred remailer addresses. You must have actually been seeing people writing from ISP supplied addresses other than the ISP provided addresses from which they subscribed. You must be right -- Maybe some others have been under the same misconception which I just aired. Maybe this will help them. v/r, Tom On 3/10/14 10:57 PM, Tubular wrote: Thank you, Tom for the insight; however, if these people cannot send email from these type of email addresses, how did they get on the list to start with? Tom Panfil wrote: Hello OpenOffice Apache Moderators, I don't want to unsubscribe from any of the three project lists to which I subscribe (users, dev, api) but like you, I've seen too many requests sent to the lists from people who want to unsubscribe. I assume that something is finally done administratively to unsubscribe their addresses since they eventually stop pestering. Many people who are members of ACM or IEEE or other professional associations register using a Remailer Address serviced by the organization. The use of a Remailer Address enables provision of at least the following services by the organization: * Virus scanning of mail sent to the member's Remailer Address * Quarantining of S--- sent to the member's Remailer Address -- Note that I did not use the S-Word since using it might cause Verizon refuse to send the message considering it to be S. * Forwarding of non-infected non-S--- messages to the member's ISP provided addresses. * Ease of changing of ISPs by simply registering a new ISP supplied e-mail address with the Remailer Service so that mail sent to the Remailer address is forwarded to the member's new current ISP provided address. Correspondents need not be informed of the change of ISP. These people *cannot* send from their Remailer Addresses. They can and usually do include their preferred Remailer Address in the Reply-To field of their message headers. Their e-mail messages are sent from their ISP provided addresses. So, I think that a significant proportion of those who send to the list asking to be removed have tried sending to the address in the footer of the messages and were not removed from the list since they are subscribed with a Remailer Address. That address from which they are send is different from the address which is subscribed I recommend that some mechanism be established for such subscribers to take action to be removed from OpenOffice Apache lists. The instructions they need should be provided in the footer with the other three instructions. I can't imagine that *no* developers and maintainers of OpenOffice know of Remailer Addresses. How could this problem have festered so long? Does the project cadre really not know about Remailer Addresses? If you can maintain Apache projects you must be able to understand this dilemma now that I have explained it somewhat clearly, I think. Note that I am subscribed via an IEEE Remailer address. I'd no doubt have the same problem which these other poor souls have if I'd try to unsubscribe. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3722/6671 - Release Date: 03/09/14 -- *v/r, Tom Panfil eBureaucrat (Ret.) H: 301.498.7313 C: 301.741.3637 Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers to identify their corporate sponsors *
Re: AMAZING -- Case of Subscription via a Remailer Address [was: Re: Removing yourself from the list :)]
FYI, I get many messages from this list that do not have the unsubscribe footer. Don't know what's up with that, and since I don't want to unsubscribe, I don't care. Thought you might find the info handy for troubleshooting. Jim On Mar 10, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Tom Panfil tap.h...@verizon.net wrote: Hi Tubular, Well, I just inspected headers and see that I had fooled myself. My original subscription request was: Subject: Subscribe to OpenOffice Users Mailing List Body: Hello, Subscribe tapan...@ieee.org My reply to the confirm subscribe to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org was: Subject: Confirm Subscription to ooo-user Mailing List Body: Hi, I do want to subscribe to the ooo-users mailing list, BUT I would prefer that my mail be set to my Reply-To Address: tapan...@ieee.org Rather than to my From Address: tap.h...@verizon.net The resulting WELCOME message said in part: Acknowledgment: I have added the address tap.h...@verizon.net to the ooo-users mailing list. Welcome to ooo-us...@incubator.apache.org! Please save this message so that you know the address you are subscribed under, in case you later want to unsubscribe or change your subscription address. So, my attempt to con the list server to use my IEEE Remailer address failed. It looks like people are not allowed to subscribe via their preferred remailer addresses. You must have actually been seeing people writing from ISP supplied addresses other than the ISP provided addresses from which they subscribed. You must be right -- Maybe some others have been under the same misconception which I just aired. Maybe this will help them. v/r, Tom On 3/10/14 10:57 PM, Tubular wrote: Thank you, Tom for the insight; however, if these people cannot send email from these type of email addresses, how did they get on the list to start with? Tom Panfil wrote: Hello OpenOffice Apache Moderators, I don't want to unsubscribe from any of the three project lists to which I subscribe (users, dev, api) but like you, I've seen too many requests sent to the lists from people who want to unsubscribe. I assume that something is finally done administratively to unsubscribe their addresses since they eventually stop pestering. Many people who are members of ACM or IEEE or other professional associations register using a Remailer Address serviced by the organization. The use of a Remailer Address enables provision of at least the following services by the organization: * Virus scanning of mail sent to the member's Remailer Address * Quarantining of S--- sent to the member's Remailer Address -- Note that I did not use the S-Word since using it might cause Verizon refuse to send the message considering it to be S. * Forwarding of non-infected non-S--- messages to the member's ISP provided addresses. * Ease of changing of ISPs by simply registering a new ISP supplied e-mail address with the Remailer Service so that mail sent to the Remailer address is forwarded to the member's new current ISP provided address. Correspondents need not be informed of the change of ISP. These people *cannot* send from their Remailer Addresses. They can and usually do include their preferred Remailer Address in the Reply-To field of their message headers. Their e-mail messages are sent from their ISP provided addresses. So, I think that a significant proportion of those who send to the list asking to be removed have tried sending to the address in the footer of the messages and were not removed from the list since they are subscribed with a Remailer Address. That address from which they are send is different from the address which is subscribed I recommend that some mechanism be established for such subscribers to take action to be removed from OpenOffice Apache lists. The instructions they need should be provided in the footer with the other three instructions. I can't imagine that *no* developers and maintainers of OpenOffice know of Remailer Addresses. How could this problem have festered so long? Does the project cadre really not know about Remailer Addresses? If you can maintain Apache projects you must be able to understand this dilemma now that I have explained it somewhat clearly, I think. Note that I am subscribed via an IEEE Remailer address. I'd no doubt have the same problem which these other poor souls have if I'd try to unsubscribe. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2241 / Virus Database: 3722/6671 - Release Date: 03/09/14 -- *v/r, Tom Panfil eBureaucrat (Ret.) H: 301.498.7313 C: 301.741.3637 Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
