Re: [ovirt-users] Nesting Hyper-V

[Francesco Romani]

- Original Message -
> From: "Sven Kieske" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2014 8:02:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Nesting Hyper-V
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/10/14 00:39, Nathan Llaneza wrote:
> > Hello All,
> > 
> > I work for a educational institution, and we currently use oVirt in our
> > datacenter. We are on the latest stable build of oVirt 3.4.4. Most of our
> > hypervisors run CentOS 6.5; however, we have recently been asked if we
> > could assign virtual hypervisors (Server 2012 R2) to some of our classes
> > for learning purposes. I have been doing some research and found that I
> > needed atleast kernel 3.10; therefore, I took one hypervisors and converted
> > it to CentOS 7 fully patched. I also installed the nestedvt hook as
> > described here
> > .
> > 
> > 
> > I am all researched/googled out, and I am having no luck. After I do a
> > typical install of Server 2012 R2 it will not let me install the Hyper-V
> > role. I quote "Hyper-V cannot be installed: A hypervisor is already
> > running".
> > 
> > When I run the command cat /sys/module/kvm_intel/parameters/nested it comes
> > back with a "Y". If I look in the host hooks it shows the nestedvt and
> > macspoof. The VM has a custom property of macspoof = true.
> > 
> > Did I miss something? Is this possible? Has anyone done this before?
> 
> I guess you need the cpu param
> "hv_relaxed" there is a BZ open on it, see
> this blog for all cpu flags:
> 
> http://blog.wikichoon.com/2014/07/enabling-hyper-v-enlightenments-with-kvm.html
> 
> -cpu ...,hv_relaxed,hv_spinlocks=0x1fff,hv_vapic,hv_time
> 
> there are plenty of bugs / improvements open, here is the list:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=hv_relaxed&list_id=2902293

Initial "HyperV" enlightnement support was added to oVirt 3.5.0:
(e.g. :
http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/30254/
http://gerrit.ovirt.org/#/c/30255/
)

More optimization will come soon, depending on libvirt availability.


Bests,

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Phone: 8261328
IRC: fromani
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Re: [ovirt-users] Nesting Hyper-V

[Sven Kieske]

On 08/10/14 00:39, Nathan Llaneza wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I work for a educational institution, and we currently use oVirt in our
> datacenter. We are on the latest stable build of oVirt 3.4.4. Most of our
> hypervisors run CentOS 6.5; however, we have recently been asked if we
> could assign virtual hypervisors (Server 2012 R2) to some of our classes
> for learning purposes. I have been doing some research and found that I
> needed atleast kernel 3.10; therefore, I took one hypervisors and converted
> it to CentOS 7 fully patched. I also installed the nestedvt hook as
> described here
> .
> 
> 
> I am all researched/googled out, and I am having no luck. After I do a
> typical install of Server 2012 R2 it will not let me install the Hyper-V
> role. I quote "Hyper-V cannot be installed: A hypervisor is already
> running".
> 
> When I run the command cat /sys/module/kvm_intel/parameters/nested it comes
> back with a "Y". If I look in the host hooks it shows the nestedvt and
> macspoof. The VM has a custom property of macspoof = true.
> 
> Did I miss something? Is this possible? Has anyone done this before?

I guess you need the cpu param
"hv_relaxed" there is a BZ open on it, see
this blog for all cpu flags:

http://blog.wikichoon.com/2014/07/enabling-hyper-v-enlightenments-with-kvm.html

-cpu ...,hv_relaxed,hv_spinlocks=0x1fff,hv_vapic,hv_time

there are plenty of bugs / improvements open, here is the list:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=hv_relaxed&list_id=2902293

I don't know if this really works yet, the performance might be very
poor, even under older vmware stuff it's poor, according to vmware:
https://communities.vmware.com/docs/DOC-8970

> Thank you in advance for all you do. Your work on this project has helped
> our community college greatly and our student even more. Because of this
> project we have be able to give students virtual resources to complete
> their labs from anywhere at anytime.


-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Regards

Sven Kieske

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Re: [ovirt-users] Repos

[Koen Vanoppen]

Ok, thanx guys for the info. I will check katello as we are already running
on pulp for the moment.
Thanx again! :-)

2014-10-07 15:37 GMT+02:00 Jorick Astrego :

>
> On 10/07/2014 03:00 PM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:
>
>> Il 07/10/2014 14:20, Koen Vanoppen ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> This is not a issue or problem, more like a question...
>>>
>>> Is it possible for the next upcomming ovirt release to put all the
>>> necesarry file back in 1 repo in stead of 3 or 4 different ones? Because
>>> when you
>>> have your own local mirrors... This is not so nice to manage...
>>> Just asking... :-)
>>>
>> It will be probably easier on mirroring side, but I see 2 problems here:
>> 1) keep ovirt repo in sync with the extern repo (like epel)
>> 2) keeping external repo rpm inside ovirt repo consumes disk space, and
>> we're constantly out of space on the release server.
>>
>> So I think we can't do something like that for upcoming release.
>>
>>
>>  Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Koen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Easy to manage and update your local mirrors & repos with the new katello!
> http://www.katello.org/.
>
> It's a couple of extra clicks but that's worth it for us.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jorick Astrego
> Netbulae BV
>
>
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Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt 3.2 - iSCSI offload (broadcom - bnx2i)

[Ricardo Esteves]

Hi, here it goes:

ethtool -i eth3

driver: bnx2
version: 2.2.4g
firmware-version: bc 5.2.3
bus-info: :06:00.1
supports-statistics: yes
supports-test: yes
supports-eeprom-access: yes
supports-register-dump: yes
supports-priv-flags: no

On 07-10-2014 21:57, Federico Simoncelli wrote:

- Original Message -

From: "Ricardo Esteves" 
To: "Federico Simoncelli" 
Cc: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:44:19 PM
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt 3.2 - iSCSI offload (broadcom - bnx2i)

cat /var/lib/iscsi/ifaces/eth3
# BEGIN RECORD 6.2.0-873.10.el6
iface.iscsi_ifacename = eth3
iface.transport_name = tcp
iface.vlan_id = 0
iface.vlan_priority = 0
iface.iface_num = 0
iface.mtu = 0
iface.port = 0
# END RECORD

Is there anyway to tell ovirt to use bnx2i instead of tcp?

Hi Ricardo, can you paste the output of:

  # ethtool -i eth3

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[ovirt-users] Nesting Hyper-V

[Nathan Llaneza]

Hello All,

I work for a educational institution, and we currently use oVirt in our
datacenter. We are on the latest stable build of oVirt 3.4.4. Most of our
hypervisors run CentOS 6.5; however, we have recently been asked if we
could assign virtual hypervisors (Server 2012 R2) to some of our classes
for learning purposes. I have been doing some research and found that I
needed atleast kernel 3.10; therefore, I took one hypervisors and converted
it to CentOS 7 fully patched. I also installed the nestedvt hook as
described here
.


I am all researched/googled out, and I am having no luck. After I do a
typical install of Server 2012 R2 it will not let me install the Hyper-V
role. I quote "Hyper-V cannot be installed: A hypervisor is already
running".

When I run the command cat /sys/module/kvm_intel/parameters/nested it comes
back with a "Y". If I look in the host hooks it shows the nestedvt and
macspoof. The VM has a custom property of macspoof = true.

Did I miss something? Is this possible? Has anyone done this before?

Thank you in advance for all you do. Your work on this project has helped
our community college greatly and our student even more. Because of this
project we have be able to give students virtual resources to complete
their labs from anywhere at anytime.
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Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt 3.2 - iSCSI offload (broadcom - bnx2i)

[Federico Simoncelli]

- Original Message -
> From: "Ricardo Esteves" 
> To: "Federico Simoncelli" 
> Cc: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:44:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt 3.2 - iSCSI offload (broadcom - bnx2i)
> 
> cat /var/lib/iscsi/ifaces/eth3
> # BEGIN RECORD 6.2.0-873.10.el6
> iface.iscsi_ifacename = eth3
> iface.transport_name = tcp
> iface.vlan_id = 0
> iface.vlan_priority = 0
> iface.iface_num = 0
> iface.mtu = 0
> iface.port = 0
> # END RECORD
> 
> Is there anyway to tell ovirt to use bnx2i instead of tcp?

Hi Ricardo, can you paste the output of:

 # ethtool -i eth3

Thanks,
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Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt 3.2 - iSCSI offload (broadcom - bnx2i)

[Ricardo Esteves]

  
  
Hi Federico,

I've upgrade to 3.4 and bindded the network to the iscsi connection
on "iSCSI Multipathing" tab, but for what i see it added two new
connections to my targets 192.168.12.1 and 192.168.12.4 (the ones i
choosed) but they are still using tcp (sofware iscsi ) instead of
bnx2i

iscsiadm -m session
tcp: [1] 192.168.11.1:3260,1
iqn.1986-03.com.hp:storage.msa2324i.1226151a60
tcp: [2] 192.168.12.2:3260,3
iqn.1986-03.com.hp:storage.msa2324i.1226151a60
tcp: [3] 192.168.12.4:3260,4
iqn.1986-03.com.hp:storage.msa2324i.1226151a60
tcp: [4] 192.168.11.3:3260,2
iqn.1986-03.com.hp:storage.msa2324i.1226151a60
tcp: [5] 192.168.12.2:3260,3
  iqn.1986-03.com.hp:storage.msa2324i.1226151a60
tcp: [6] 192.168.12.4:3260,4
  iqn.1986-03.com.hp:storage.msa2324i.1226151a60

I see that when i bindded the network in iscsi multipathing it
creates my interface eth3 in /var/lib/iscsi/ifaces but with
transport_name=tcp :

cat /var/lib/iscsi/ifaces/eth3
# BEGIN RECORD 6.2.0-873.10.el6
iface.iscsi_ifacename = eth3
iface.transport_name = tcp
iface.vlan_id = 0
iface.vlan_priority = 0
iface.iface_num = 0
iface.mtu = 0
iface.port = 0
# END RECORD

Is there anyway to tell ovirt to use bnx2i instead of tcp?

Best regards,
Ricardo Esteves.

On 14-05-2014 23:48, Federico
  Simoncelli wrote:


  - Original Message -

  
From: "Federico Simoncelli" 
To: "Ricardo Esteves" 
Cc: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 3:47:58 PM
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt 3.2 - iSCSI offload (broadcom - bnx2i)

- Original Message -


  From: "Ricardo Esteves" 
To: "Federico Simoncelli" 
Cc: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:45:53 AM
Subject: RE: [ovirt-users] oVirt 3.2 - iSCSI offload (broadcom - bnx2i)

In attachment follows the defaults and the modified versions of the nodes
files.



If selecting the relevant host in "Hosts" you see the bnx2i interface in the
"Network Interfaces" subtab, then you can try to:

  
  
Sorry I just noticed that you mentioned in the subject that you're using
oVirt 3.2. What I suggested is available only since oVirt 3.4.




  

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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Daniel Helgenberger]

On 07.10.2014 16:19, Phil Daws wrote:
> Appreciated Daniel.  If add more hosts down the line may the engine 
> configuration be migrated back to a VM for resilience ?
There is, please read [1]. I've never done that but it is basically
deploying hosted engine and restore the engine from a backup.

[1] http://www.ovirt.org/Migrate_to_Hosted_Engine
>  Thanks, P.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Daniel Helgenberger" 
> To: "Phil Daws" , "users" 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 3:00:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt
>
> Hi Phil,
> On 07.10.2014 15:42, Phil Daws wrote:
>> am reading through the release notes for 3.5 as I believe one can install 
>> the engine on a VM now.
> Indeed, this is called Hosted Engine. In 3.5, witch is expected to be
> released in a few days/week you can also use a prebuild virtual
> appliance for this purpose. Also, the ovirt Node, witch is a prebuld
> minimal OS, will have the feature to support Hosted Engine.
> If you are running only one host, I would advice deploying more hosts or
> take the traditional approach and put the engine in bare metal box for
> production.
>
> Maybe you stumbled over the admin guide [1] already? The doc is quite
> new and reflects oVirt 3.4
>
> Keep in mind, EL7 is sopported as HOST in 3.5 only atm, your Engine
> still needs to run Fedora 19 / EL6.5
>>   As I only have one server at present my thoughts are to install CentOS7, 
>> then oVirt 3.5 node (vdsm), and then create a VM which would be the oVirt 
>> Engine.
> There is a script, called hosted-engine --depoly for that. All you need
> to do is to enable the repos in yum and install ovirt-hosted-engine,
> desirably from a minimal install. Please read [2].
>>   Then as I add on another server I can just build that as a node and the 
>> Engine can be moved between.  Is that correct ? Thanks, P.
> Also, for testing you can use ovirt all in one [3]. This is a HV host
> plus engine (but not as a VM IIRC). I would not recommend this for
> production.
>
> [1] http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Administration_Guide
> [2] http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
> [3] http://www.ovirt.org/Feature/AllInOne
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dan Yasny"  
>> To: "Phil Daws"  
>> Cc: "users"  
>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:29:39 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>>
>> Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs out of the box without the extra 
>> hurdle 
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Would this be the way to integrate OVS 
>> http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5 are 
>> you able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you. 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
>> To: users@ovirt.org 
>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>>
>> Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
>> CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the 
>> top ? Thank you. 
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
>> To: users@ovirt.org 
>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM 
>> Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>>
>> Good day all! 
>>
>> have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
>> aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required. 
>>
>> am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
>> CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM. After a little 
>> search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
>> now and use it as the main configuration tool. 
>>
>> do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
>> with? at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the 
>> vlan capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that 
>> to a different solution ? On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish 
>> to keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM 
>> volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert 
>> them to a different format for use ? 
>>
>> one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which 
>> then presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in 
>> oVirt ? 
>>
>> Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
>> around how it would all work. 
>>
>> Thank you, Phil 
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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Phil Daws]

Appreciated Daniel.  If add more hosts down the line may the engine 
configuration be migrated back to a VM for resilience ? Thanks, P.

- Original Message -
From: "Daniel Helgenberger" 
To: "Phil Daws" , "users" 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 3:00:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

Hi Phil,
On 07.10.2014 15:42, Phil Daws wrote:
> am reading through the release notes for 3.5 as I believe one can install the 
> engine on a VM now.
Indeed, this is called Hosted Engine. In 3.5, witch is expected to be
released in a few days/week you can also use a prebuild virtual
appliance for this purpose. Also, the ovirt Node, witch is a prebuld
minimal OS, will have the feature to support Hosted Engine.
If you are running only one host, I would advice deploying more hosts or
take the traditional approach and put the engine in bare metal box for
production.

Maybe you stumbled over the admin guide [1] already? The doc is quite
new and reflects oVirt 3.4

Keep in mind, EL7 is sopported as HOST in 3.5 only atm, your Engine
still needs to run Fedora 19 / EL6.5
>   As I only have one server at present my thoughts are to install CentOS7, 
> then oVirt 3.5 node (vdsm), and then create a VM which would be the oVirt 
> Engine.
There is a script, called hosted-engine --depoly for that. All you need
to do is to enable the repos in yum and install ovirt-hosted-engine,
desirably from a minimal install. Please read [2].
>   Then as I add on another server I can just build that as a node and the 
> Engine can be moved between.  Is that correct ? Thanks, P.
Also, for testing you can use ovirt all in one [3]. This is a HV host
plus engine (but not as a VM IIRC). I would not recommend this for
production.

[1] http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Administration_Guide
[2] http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
[3] http://www.ovirt.org/Feature/AllInOne
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dan Yasny"  
> To: "Phil Daws"  
> Cc: "users"  
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:29:39 PM 
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>
> Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs out of the box without the extra 
> hurdle 
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote: 
>
>
> Would this be the way to integrate OVS 
> http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5 are 
> you able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you. 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
> To: users@ovirt.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM 
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>
> Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
> CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the 
> top ? Thank you. 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
> To: users@ovirt.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM 
> Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>
> Good day all! 
>
> have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
> aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required. 
>
> am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
> CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM. After a little 
> search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
> now and use it as the main configuration tool. 
>
> do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
> with? at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
> capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
> different solution ? On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to 
> keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM 
> volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert 
> them to a different format for use ? 
>
> one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which 
> then presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in 
> oVirt ? 
>
> Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
> around how it would all work. 
>
> Thank you, Phil 
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Re: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM

[santosh]

Allon, Elad:

Yes, RHEL_65_CL1_CLONE2 has the same ID as the VM being restored.
And error message also indicates that the conflict is occurring on the 
VM id.


Thanks for the confirmation.

Thanks,
Santosh

On 10/07/2014 03:59 AM, Maor Lipchuk wrote:

Elad, the the VM from configuration checks the existence of the VM id.
Probably RHEL_65_CL1_CLONE2 has the same id as the VM which is being imported.

Regards,
Maor


- Original Message -

From: "Elad Ben Aharon" 
To: "santosh" , "Allon Mureinik" 
Cc: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:08:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM

If you still have the backed up VM in your system, the create from
configuration operation should be blocked as you've encountered.
Allon, what does the create VM from configuration checks? The existence of
the VM name or the existence of its ID?

- Original Message -
From: "santosh" 
To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2014 4:28:06 AM
Subject: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM

Hi

I am trying to backup and restore the VM using the flow suggester at
Features/Backup-Restore API Integration

When I tried to restore the VM using the following steps,


Full Virtual Machine Restoration


 1. Create disks for restore
 2. Attach the disks for restore to the virtual appliance (Restore the
 data to it)
 3. Detach the disks from the virtual appliance.
 4. Create a vm using the configuration that was saved as part of the
 backup flow - (added capabillity to oVirt as part of the Backup API)
 5. Attach the restored disks to the created vm.

I encountered following error at step 4.




Operation Failed
[Import VM failed - VM Id already exist in the system . Please remove
the VM (RHEL_65_CL1_CLONE2) from the system first]


I have not deleted/removed the backed up VM from the system.

Is it expected behaviour?
Should it not overwrite the existing VM or Create new VM with different VM
Id, if the backup up VM exists?


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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Daniel Helgenberger]

Hi Phil,
On 07.10.2014 15:42, Phil Daws wrote:
> am reading through the release notes for 3.5 as I believe one can install the 
> engine on a VM now.
Indeed, this is called Hosted Engine. In 3.5, witch is expected to be
released in a few days/week you can also use a prebuild virtual
appliance for this purpose. Also, the ovirt Node, witch is a prebuld
minimal OS, will have the feature to support Hosted Engine.
If you are running only one host, I would advice deploying more hosts or
take the traditional approach and put the engine in bare metal box for
production.

Maybe you stumbled over the admin guide [1] already? The doc is quite
new and reflects oVirt 3.4

Keep in mind, EL7 is sopported as HOST in 3.5 only atm, your Engine
still needs to run Fedora 19 / EL6.5
>   As I only have one server at present my thoughts are to install CentOS7, 
> then oVirt 3.5 node (vdsm), and then create a VM which would be the oVirt 
> Engine.
There is a script, called hosted-engine --depoly for that. All you need
to do is to enable the repos in yum and install ovirt-hosted-engine,
desirably from a minimal install. Please read [2].
>   Then as I add on another server I can just build that as a node and the 
> Engine can be moved between.  Is that correct ? Thanks, P.
Also, for testing you can use ovirt all in one [3]. This is a HV host
plus engine (but not as a VM IIRC). I would not recommend this for
production.

[1] http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Administration_Guide
[2] http://www.ovirt.org/Features/Self_Hosted_Engine
[3] http://www.ovirt.org/Feature/AllInOne
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dan Yasny"  
> To: "Phil Daws"  
> Cc: "users"  
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:29:39 PM 
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>
> Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs out of the box without the extra 
> hurdle 
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote: 
>
>
> Would this be the way to integrate OVS 
> http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5 are 
> you able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you. 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
> To: users@ovirt.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM 
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>
> Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
> CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the 
> top ? Thank you. 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
> To: users@ovirt.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM 
> Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 
>
> Good day all! 
>
> have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
> aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required. 
>
> am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
> CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM. After a little 
> search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
> now and use it as the main configuration tool. 
>
> do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
> with? at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
> capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
> different solution ? On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to 
> keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM 
> volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert 
> them to a different format for use ? 
>
> one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which 
> then presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in 
> oVirt ? 
>
> Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
> around how it would all work. 
>
> Thank you, Phil 
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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Phil Daws]

Thank Dan,

your wise comments are very much appreciated.  am just wondering whether to go 
CentOS 6.X or 7 at this time especially as 7 has only just come out the stable 
gate.  a question would be whether oVirt would work best on the 6.X or 7 
version, especially as its developing so quickly.  Just looking at my two 
systems there is quite a gap already:

C6
--
qemu-kvm-0.12.1.2-2.415.el6_5.10.x86_64

C7
--
qemu-kvm-1.5.3-60.el7_0.7.0.1.x86_64

All thoughts appreciated. Thanks, P.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Yasny"  
To: "Phil Daws"  
Cc: "users"  
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:40:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

If you really intend to use that, you will need to install neutron with 
whatever plugins you need and use it as an external provider for the VMs. If 
this is just a matter of "I can haz this cool tech", but really, regular 
bridging with VLAN support, custom MTUs and a bunch of other features 
(especially a very easy graphical setup) are enough, I'd stick with oVirt 
native networking - it's pretty powerful in it's own right. 



On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote: 


Hello Dan, 

Options mainly as would like to start using SFlow down the line for protocol 
analysis across the VMs; plus GRE etc. 

Thanks, P. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Yasny" < dya...@gmail.com > 
To: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
Cc: "users" < users@ovirt.org > 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:29:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs out of the box without the extra 
hurdle 

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote: 


Would this be the way to integrate OVS 
http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5 are you 
able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
To: users@ovirt.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the top 
? Thank you. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
To: users@ovirt.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Good day all! 

have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required. 

am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM. After a little 
search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
now and use it as the main configuration tool. 

do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
with? at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
different solution ? On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to keep 
and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM volumes as 
raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert them to a 
different format for use ? 

one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which then 
presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in oVirt ? 

Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
around how it would all work. 

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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Phil Daws]

am reading through the release notes for 3.5 as I believe one can install the 
engine on a VM now.  As I only have one server at present my thoughts are to 
install CentOS7, then oVirt 3.5 node (vdsm), and then create a VM which would 
be the oVirt Engine.  Then as I add on another server I can just build that as 
a node and the Engine can be moved between.  Is that correct ? Thanks, P.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Yasny"  
To: "Phil Daws"  
Cc: "users"  
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:29:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs out of the box without the extra 
hurdle 

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote: 


Would this be the way to integrate OVS 
http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5 are you 
able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
To: users@ovirt.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the top 
? Thank you. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
To: users@ovirt.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Good day all! 

have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required. 

am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM. After a little 
search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
now and use it as the main configuration tool. 

do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
with? at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
different solution ? On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to keep 
and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM volumes as 
raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert them to a 
different format for use ? 

one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which then 
presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in oVirt ? 

Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
around how it would all work. 

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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Dan Yasny]

If you really intend to use that, you will need to install neutron with
whatever plugins you need and use it as an external provider for the VMs.
If this is just a matter of "I can haz this cool tech", but really, regular
bridging with VLAN support, custom MTUs and a bunch of other features
(especially a very easy graphical setup) are enough, I'd stick with oVirt
native networking - it's pretty powerful in it's own right.



On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Phil Daws  wrote:

> Hello Dan,
>
> Options mainly as would like to start using SFlow down the line for
> protocol analysis across the VMs; plus GRE etc.
>
> Thanks, P.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Yasny" 
> To: "Phil Daws" 
> Cc: "users" 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:29:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt
>
> Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs out of the box without the extra
> hurdle
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote:
>
>
> Would this be the way to integrate OVS
> http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5
> are you able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net >
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt
>
> Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the
> CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the
> top ? Thank you.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net >
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM
> Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt
>
> Good day all!
>
> have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all
> aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required.
>
> am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using
> CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM. After a
> little search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to
> install this now and use it as the main configuration tool.
>
> do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to
> help with? at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use
> the vlan capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from
> that to a different solution ? On my host I already have about 10 VMs that
> I wish to keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been
> using LVM volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to
> convert them to a different format for use ?
>
> one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which
> then presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use
> in oVirt ?
>
> Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my
> head around how it would all work.
>
> Thank you, Phil
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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Phil Daws]

Hello Dan,

Options mainly as would like to start using SFlow down the line for protocol 
analysis across the VMs; plus GRE etc.

Thanks, P.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Yasny"  
To: "Phil Daws"  
Cc: "users"  
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 2:29:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs out of the box without the extra 
hurdle 

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws < ux...@splatnix.net > wrote: 


Would this be the way to integrate OVS 
http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5 are you 
able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
To: users@ovirt.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the top 
? Thank you. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Daws" < ux...@splatnix.net > 
To: users@ovirt.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM 
Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt 

Good day all! 

have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required. 

am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM. After a little 
search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
now and use it as the main configuration tool. 

do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
with? at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
different solution ? On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to keep 
and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM volumes as 
raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert them to a 
different format for use ? 

one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which then 
presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in oVirt ? 

Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
around how it would all work. 

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Re: [ovirt-users] Repos

[Jorick Astrego]

On 10/07/2014 03:00 PM, Sandro Bonazzola wrote:

Il 07/10/2014 14:20, Koen Vanoppen ha scritto:

Hi All,

This is not a issue or problem, more like a question...

Is it possible for the next upcomming ovirt release to put all the necesarry 
file back in 1 repo in stead of 3 or 4 different ones? Because when you
have your own local mirrors... This is not so nice to manage...
Just asking... :-)

It will be probably easier on mirroring side, but I see 2 problems here:
1) keep ovirt repo in sync with the extern repo (like epel)
2) keeping external repo rpm inside ovirt repo consumes disk space, and we're 
constantly out of space on the release server.

So I think we can't do something like that for upcoming release.



Kind regards,

Koen





Easy to manage and update your local mirrors & repos with the new 
katello! http://www.katello.org/.


It's a couple of extra clicks but that's worth it for us.

Kind regards,

Jorick Astrego
Netbulae BV

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Re: [ovirt-users] Harmful to rename a cluster?

[Nicolas Ecarnot]

Ok thank you Maor,

I renamed it, then renamed it back, and I just had to restart the 
engine, the hosts list was staying empty.

No serious issue.

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Le 07/10/2014 13:44, Maor Lipchuk a écrit :

Hi Nicolas,

I'm not aware of any reason, related to name already in use, why you can't do 
this.

Regards,
Maor


From: "Nicolas Ecarnot" 
For reasons beyond sanity, I will have to rename a cluster to something,
then rename it back to its previous name.
- Is it only a label with no impact on a production datacenter?
- Will it be possible to rename it back? Won't oVirt remember a previous
similar name was used and prevent me from doing so?

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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Dan Yasny]

Why do you need OVS? oVirt supports VLANs  out of the box without the extra
hurdle

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Phil Daws  wrote:

> Would this be the way to integrate OVS
> http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5
> are you able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Phil Daws" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt
>
> Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the
> CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the
> top ? Thank you.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Phil Daws" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM
> Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt
>
> Good day all!
>
> have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all
> aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required.
>
> am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using
> CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM.  After a
> little search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to
> install this now and use it as the main configuration tool.
>
> do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to
> help with?  at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use
> the vlan capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from
> that to a different solution ?  On my host I already have about 10 VMs that
> I wish to keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been
> using LVM volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to
> convert them to a different format for use ?
>
> one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which
> then presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use
> in oVirt ?
>
> Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my
> head around how it would all work.
>
> Thank you, Phil
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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Phil Daws]

Would this be the way to integrate OVS 
http://www.ovirt.org/OVirt_Neutron_GRE_Integration_-_How_To ? or in 3.5 are you 
able to import OVS networks now ? Thank you.

- Original Message -
From: "Phil Daws" 
To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 12:51:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the top 
? Thank you.

- Original Message -
From: "Phil Daws" 
To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM
Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

Good day all!

have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required.

am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM.  After a little 
search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
now and use it as the main configuration tool.

do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
with?  at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
different solution ?  On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to 
keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM 
volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert them 
to a different format for use ?

one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which then 
presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in oVirt ?

Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
around how it would all work.

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Re: [ovirt-users] Harmful to rename a cluster?

[Daniel Helgenberger]

On 07.10.2014 13:44, Maor Lipchuk wrote:
> Hi Nicolas,
>
> I'm not aware of any reason, related to name already in use, why you can't do 
> this.
Though there is at least one, but only when using hosted engine.

If you rename the HA cluster to sth. diffrent then 'Default', the
hosted-engine --deploy will fail on additional HA hosts. One workaround
is to rename it to 'Default' for adding HA and rename it back afterward.

(this reminds me on posting a RFE)
--
>
> Regards,
> Maor
>
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Nicolas Ecarnot" 
>> To: users@ovirt.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 2:32:31 PM
>> Subject: [ovirt-users] Harmful to rename a cluster?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> For reasons beyond sanity, I will have to rename a cluster to something,
>> then rename it back to its previous name.
>> - Is it only a label with no impact on a production datacenter?
>> - Will it be possible to rename it back? Won't oVirt remember a previous
>> similar name was used and prevent me from doing so?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
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Re: [ovirt-users] Repos

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il 07/10/2014 14:20, Koen Vanoppen ha scritto:
> Hi All,
> 
> This is not a issue or problem, more like a question...
> 
> Is it possible for the next upcomming ovirt release to put all the necesarry 
> file back in 1 repo in stead of 3 or 4 different ones? Because when you
> have your own local mirrors... This is not so nice to manage...
> Just asking... :-)

It will be probably easier on mirroring side, but I see 2 problems here:
1) keep ovirt repo in sync with the extern repo (like epel)
2) keeping external repo rpm inside ovirt repo consumes disk space, and we're 
constantly out of space on the release server.

So I think we can't do something like that for upcoming release.


> 
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> 
> Koen
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ovirt-users] Proper way to change and persist vdsm configuration options

[Yuriy Demchenko]

Hi,

sorry for digging up an old tread, but I have a problem with proposed 
way to preserve vdsm.conf between host redeployments
I've created a file /etc/ovirt-host-deploy.conf.d/migration-bw.conf on 
ovirt-engine with contents:

[environment:enforce]
VDSM_CONFIG/vars/migration_max_bandwidth=str:300
Then i've tried to add a new host via GUI - it was added, but with 
default vdsm.conf, i.e. without my custom option "migration_max_bandwidth"
Also tried to restart ovirt-engine and reinstalling host - same result, 
no custom options, only default vdsm.conf content.

Am i missing something?

Freshly installed ovirt 3.5-pre, centos 6.5 as engine, centos7 as hosts

Yuriy Demchenko

On 08/05/2014 10:45 PM, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:


- Original Message -

From: "Trey Dockendorf" 
To: "ybronhei" 
Cc: "users" , "Fabian Deutsch" , "Dan Kenigsberg" 
, "Itamar
Heim" , "Douglas Landgraf" , "Alon Bar-Lev" 

Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:36:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Proper way to change and persist vdsm configuration 
options

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:32 PM, ybronhei  wrote:

Hey,

Just noticed something that I forgot about..
before filing new BZ, see in ovirt-host-deploy README.environment [1] the
section:
VDSM/configOverride(bool) [True]
 Override vdsm configuration file.

changing it to false will keep your vdsm.conf file as is after deploying
the
host again (what happens after node upgrade)

[1]
https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-host-deploy/blob/master/README.environment

please check if that what you meant..

Thanks,
Yaniv Bronhaim.


I was unaware of that package.  I will check that out as that seems to
be what I am looking for.

I have not filed this in BZ and will hold off pending
ovirt-host-deploy.  If you feel a BZ is still necessary then please do
file one and I would be happy to provide input if it would help.

Right now this is my workflow.

1. Foreman provisions bare-metal server with CentOS 6.5
2. Once provisioned and system rebooted Puppet applies puppet-ovirt
[1] module that adds the necessary yum repos

and should stop here..


, and installs packages.
Part of my Puppet deployment is basic things like sudo management
(vdsm's sudo is account for), sssd configuration, and other aspects
that are needed by every system in my infrastructure.  Part of the
ovirt::node Puppet class is managing vdsm.conf, and in my case that
means ensuring iSER is enabled for iSCSI over IB.

you can create a file /etc/ovirt-host-deploy.conf.d/40-xxx.conf
---
VDSM_CONFIG/section/key=str:content
---

this will create a proper vdsm.conf when host-deploy is initiated.

you should now use the rest api to initiate host-deploy.


3. Once host is online and has had the full Puppet catalog applied I
log into ovirt-engine web interface and add those host (pulling it's
data via the Foreman provider).

right, but you should let this process install packages and manage 
configuration.


What I've noticed is that after step #3, after a host is added by
ovirt-engine, the vdsm.conf file is reset to default and I have to
reapply Puppet before it can be used as the one of my Data Storage
Domains requires iSER (not available over TCP).

right, see above.


What would be the workflow using ovirt-host-deploy?  Thus far I've had
to piece together my workflow based on the documentation and filling
in blanks where possible since I do require customizations to
vdsm.conf and the documented workflow of adding a host via web UI does
not allow for such customization.

Thanks,
- Trey

[1] - https://github.com/treydock/puppet-ovirt (README not fully
updated as still working out how to use Puppet with oVirt)


On 08/05/2014 08:12 AM, Trey Dockendorf wrote:

I'll file BZ.  As far as I can recall this has been an issue since 3.3.x
as
I have been using Puppet to modify values and have had to rerun Puppet
after installing a node via GUI and when performing update from GUI.
Given
that it has occurred when VDSM version didn't change on the node it seems
likely to be something being done by Python code that bootstraps a node
and
performs the other tasks.  I won't have any systems available to test with
for a few days.  New hardware specifically for our oVirt deployment is on
order so should be able to more thoroughly debug and capture logs at that
time.

Would using vdsm-reg be a better solution for adding new nodes?  I only
tried using vdsm-reg once and it went very poorly...lots of missing
dependencies not pulled in from yum install I had to install manually via
yum.  Then the node was auto added to newest cluster with no ability to
change the cluster.  Be happy to debug that too if there's some docs that
outline the expected behavior.

Using vdsm-reg or something similar seems like a better fit for puppet
deployed nodes, as opposed to requiring GUI steps to add the node.

Thanks
- Trey
On Aug 4, 2014 5:53 AM, "ybronhei"  wrote:


On 07/31/2014 01:28 AM, Trey Dockendorf wrote:


I'm running ovirt nodes that are stock CentOS 6.5 systems with VDSM
instal

[ovirt-users] Repos

[Koen Vanoppen]

Hi All,

This is not a issue or problem, more like a question...

Is it possible for the next upcomming ovirt release to put all the
necesarry file back in 1 repo in stead of 3 or 4 different ones? Because
when you have your own local mirrors... This is not so nice to manage...
Just asking... :-)

Kind regards,

Koen
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Re: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Phil Daws]

Further to this if I wished to use oVirt do I need to completely wipe the 
CentOS7 server or could I install the upcoming oVirt 3.5 directly over the top 
? Thank you.

- Original Message -
From: "Phil Daws" 
To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October, 2014 10:32:32 AM
Subject: [ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

Good day all!

have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required.

am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM.  After a little 
search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
now and use it as the main configuration tool.

do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
with?  at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
different solution ?  On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to 
keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM 
volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert them 
to a different format for use ?

one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which then 
presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in oVirt ?

Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
around how it would all work.

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Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt Weekly Meeting Minutes -- 2014-10-01

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Il 07/10/2014 13:29, Dan Kenigsberg ha scritto:
> On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 10:36:42AM -0400, Doron Fediuck wrote:
>> Minutes:
>> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.html
>> Minutes (text): 
>> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.txt
>> Log:
>> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.log.html
>>
>> If you're on CC- see action items below.
>>
>> =
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>> =
>>
>>
>> Meeting started by doron at 14:04:43 UTC. The full logs are available at
>> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.log.html .
>>
>>
>>
>> Meeting summary
>> ---
>> * Agenda and roll Call  (doron, 14:04:44)
>>   * infra update  (doron, 14:04:46)
>>   * 3.4.z updates  (doron, 14:04:47)
>>   * 3.5 status  (doron, 14:04:49)
>>   * conferences and workshops  (doron, 14:04:50)
>>   * other topics  (doron, 14:04:52)
>>
>> * infra update  (doron, 14:05:25)
>>   * infra update: soon to start creation of all the slaves that will
>> replace the rackspace ones in phx  (doron, 14:07:04)
>>   * infra update: soon to start creation of  the vm and the disk that
>> will hold the repositories (still not in place) to replace or at
>> least leverage linode01  (doron, 14:07:58)
>>   * thanks to sbonazzo we have vdsm rpms built entirely on mock, and
>> replaced the old jobs  (doron, 14:08:23)
>>
>> * 3.4.z updates  (doron, 14:08:44)
>>   * 3.4.4 released last week. No additional 3.4.z expected.  (doron,
>> 14:09:50)
>>
>> * 3.5 status  (doron, 14:13:33)
>>   * 3.5.0 status: currently no blockers. RC4 expected tomorrow.  (doron,
>> 14:15:23)
>>   * 3.5.0 status: If no blockers in RC4 GA should be expected on Monday.
>> (doron, 14:15:46)
>>   * ACTION: sbonazzo danken create 3.5.1 branch  (doron, 14:21:31)
> 
> I've created the ovirt-3.5.0 branch for vdsm.
> 3.5.0 blockers must now be posted twice (once for 3.5, then to 3.5.0).
> 
> Sandro, can you make sure that Jenkins builds for GA are now taken from
> 3.5.0?
> 

I can check that tags for GA are done from 3.5.0 branch on rpm build.



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Re: [ovirt-users] Harmful to rename a cluster?

[Maor Lipchuk]

Hi Nicolas,

I'm not aware of any reason, related to name already in use, why you can't do 
this.

Regards,
Maor


- Original Message -
> From: "Nicolas Ecarnot" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 2:32:31 PM
> Subject: [ovirt-users] Harmful to rename a cluster?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For reasons beyond sanity, I will have to rename a cluster to something,
> then rename it back to its previous name.
> - Is it only a label with no impact on a production datacenter?
> - Will it be possible to rename it back? Won't oVirt remember a previous
> similar name was used and prevent me from doing so?
> 
> Thank you
> 
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[ovirt-users] Harmful to rename a cluster?

[Nicolas Ecarnot]

Hi,

For reasons beyond sanity, I will have to rename a cluster to something, 
then rename it back to its previous name.

- Is it only a label with no impact on a production datacenter?
- Will it be possible to rename it back? Won't oVirt remember a previous 
similar name was used and prevent me from doing so?


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Re: [ovirt-users] oVirt Weekly Meeting Minutes -- 2014-10-01

[Dan Kenigsberg]

On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 10:36:42AM -0400, Doron Fediuck wrote:
> Minutes:
> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.html
> Minutes (text): 
> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.txt
> Log:
> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.log.html
> 
> If you're on CC- see action items below.
> 
> =
> #ovirt: oVirt Weekly Sync
> =
> 
> 
> Meeting started by doron at 14:04:43 UTC. The full logs are available at
> http://ovirt.org/meetings/ovirt/2014/ovirt.2014-10-01-14.04.log.html .
> 
> 
> 
> Meeting summary
> ---
> * Agenda and roll Call  (doron, 14:04:44)
>   * infra update  (doron, 14:04:46)
>   * 3.4.z updates  (doron, 14:04:47)
>   * 3.5 status  (doron, 14:04:49)
>   * conferences and workshops  (doron, 14:04:50)
>   * other topics  (doron, 14:04:52)
> 
> * infra update  (doron, 14:05:25)
>   * infra update: soon to start creation of all the slaves that will
> replace the rackspace ones in phx  (doron, 14:07:04)
>   * infra update: soon to start creation of  the vm and the disk that
> will hold the repositories (still not in place) to replace or at
> least leverage linode01  (doron, 14:07:58)
>   * thanks to sbonazzo we have vdsm rpms built entirely on mock, and
> replaced the old jobs  (doron, 14:08:23)
> 
> * 3.4.z updates  (doron, 14:08:44)
>   * 3.4.4 released last week. No additional 3.4.z expected.  (doron,
> 14:09:50)
> 
> * 3.5 status  (doron, 14:13:33)
>   * 3.5.0 status: currently no blockers. RC4 expected tomorrow.  (doron,
> 14:15:23)
>   * 3.5.0 status: If no blockers in RC4 GA should be expected on Monday.
> (doron, 14:15:46)
>   * ACTION: sbonazzo danken create 3.5.1 branch  (doron, 14:21:31)

I've created the ovirt-3.5.0 branch for vdsm.
3.5.0 blockers must now be posted twice (once for 3.5, then to 3.5.0).

Sandro, can you make sure that Jenkins builds for GA are now taken from
3.5.0?
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Re: [ovirt-users] Network usage is not updating in the ovirt panel

[Lior Vernia]

Hi Shanil,

This file transfer should have been below the traffic threshold to be
displayed; as you can see in your third screenshot, the average transfer
rate was 213 KBps, which is about 1.5 Mbps, which is about 0.15% of the
NICs' speed - whereas you'd only see traffic above 1%.

You would need a higher-intensity transfer to verify... And in fact,
using your QoS settings, you will never see any traffic, as your traffic
limit is only 0.2% of the NICs' speed!

And for future reference, when you take screenshots of the VM/interfaces
secondary tab, it's best that you also click on the specific VM
interface that should see the traffic - so its RX/TX rate is displayed
in the "statistics" tab at the bottom-right.

Yours, Lior.

On 07/10/14 12:00, Shanil S wrote:
> Hi Lior,
> 
> As per your suggestion i have created two vm's with ip .46 and .47 and
> transfer 100MB file from vm1 (.46) to vm2(.47) but even after 7 min of
> transaction ovirt portal doesn't display any stats or network usages...
> I have attached the screenshots pleas have a look at this.
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Shanil
> 
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Lior Vernia  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Shanil,
> 
> QoS doesn't have much to do with this, I'm more interested in knowing
> how much traffic is in fact going in to and out of the VM (QoS defines
> limits, not actual traffic).
> 
> From your screenshots it seems that there really isn't significant
> traffic on the VMs. Could you try initiating a file transfer between two
> VMs that would last more than 15 seconds (this is the rate at which the
> GUI is updated) and see if the GUI reflects the traffic in that case?
> 
> Yours, Lior.
> 
> On 07/10/14 05:15, Shanil S wrote:
> > Hi Lior,
> >
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > We have set network QOS as 2Mbps for the VM, i have attached the
> > screenshots please check it.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > Shanil
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Lior Vernia  
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Shanil,
> >
> > It might help if you provide screenshots where you scroll right in 
> the
> > interfaces subtabs, so that the RX/TX columns are visible.
> >
> > Could it be that the vNIC speed is configured to be large enough for
> > standard traffic to be negligible (i.e. <1% of vNIC speed)?
> >
> > Yours, Lior.
> >
> > On 06/10/14 11:09, Shanil S wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We are using the ovirt version 3.4.3, it seems the network usage
> > is not
> > > showing correctly in the ovirt panel. What may be the reasons ? I 
> have
> > > attached the screenshots, please check it.
> > >
> > >
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[ovirt-users] To oVirt or not to oVirt

[Phil Daws]

Good day all!

have been a KVM user/admin for the last few years and have configured all 
aspects using either VirtManager or CLI where required.

am about to reinstall my development system and started to look at using 
CentOS7 as the host, and to get a more recent version of KVM.  After a little 
search around I came across oVirt and am considering whether to install this 
now and use it as the main configuration tool.

do have a couple of questions which hopefully somebody will be able to help 
with?  at present I am using OpenVSwitch with KVM so that I could use the vlan 
capabilities and wish to ask whether will need to move away from that to a 
different solution ?  On my host I already have about 10 VMs that I wish to 
keep and whether I could migrate them into oVirt ? I have been using LVM 
volumes as raw storage for the VM images so presume would need to convert them 
to a different format for use ?

one of my VMs actually acts as a storage provider, using Quantastor, which then 
presents storage to other VMs using iSCSI which hope I can still use in oVirt ?

Apologies if these questions are a little vague but am trying to get my head 
around how it would all work.

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[ovirt-users] [QE][ACTION REQUIRED] oVirt 3.5.0 status - Go / No Go

[Sandro Bonazzola]

Hi,
We started composing oVirt 3.5.0 GA yesterday 2014-10-06 and we finished 
collecting rpms this morning.
While we would have liked to be able to release it, bugzilla shows 2 new fresh 
blockers, so it's another No Go.

The bug tracker [1] shows 2 blockers:

Bug ID  Whiteboard  Status  Summary
1149637 virtASSIGNEDCannot start VM with attached ISO
1149705 storage NEW VM abnormal stop after LV refreshing 
when using thin provisioning on block storage

This means a RC5 build will be issued once the above 2 bugs will be fixed and 
GA will follow after testing.
Please provide an ETA for above bugs.

The bugs keyworded as Regression have been reviewed by maintainers and not 
marked as blockers[4]
Features completed are marked in green on Features Status Table [2]

There are still 33 bugs [3] targeted to 3.5.0 which will be moved automatically 
to 3.5.1 once the build will be released.

Maintainers / Assignee:
If you're aware of something that should block the release, please raise it as 
soon as possible.

[1] http://bugzilla.redhat.com/1073943
[2] http://goo.gl/4SuYdE
[3] http://red.ht/1pVEk7H
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ovirt 3.4.4] iptables blocking access via nativ vnc (blocking port)

[Grzegorz Szypa]

2014-10-07 9:54 GMT+02:00 Frantisek Kobzik :

> Hi,
>
in default scenario (i.e. deploying host using engine's host-deploy feature
> with automatic fw configuration selected), the ports should be opened. Did
> you deploy your host using host-deploy or manually?
>

to install ovirt i used engine-setu, becouse it is only one server
environment. And during configuration the iptables is configuring and after
vnc working.

But after some time vns ports is bloked, and i do not know why?

I looking for config file whne the port vnc is defined.




>
> Cheers,
> F.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Grzegorz Szypa" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:00:03 PM
> Subject: [ovirt-users] [ovirt 3.4.4] iptables blocking access via nativ
> vnc (blocking port)
>
> Hi.
>
>
> How does opening ports for VNC connection if you need ports in the range
> 5900-5999 unblock yourself or ovirt should do it yourself?
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Re: [ovirt-users] Network usage is not updating in the ovirt panel

[Lior Vernia]

Hi Shanil,

QoS doesn't have much to do with this, I'm more interested in knowing
how much traffic is in fact going in to and out of the VM (QoS defines
limits, not actual traffic).

>From your screenshots it seems that there really isn't significant
traffic on the VMs. Could you try initiating a file transfer between two
VMs that would last more than 15 seconds (this is the rate at which the
GUI is updated) and see if the GUI reflects the traffic in that case?

Yours, Lior.

On 07/10/14 05:15, Shanil S wrote:
> Hi Lior,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> We have set network QOS as 2Mbps for the VM, i have attached the
> screenshots please check it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> Shanil
> 
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Lior Vernia  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Shanil,
> 
> It might help if you provide screenshots where you scroll right in the
> interfaces subtabs, so that the RX/TX columns are visible.
> 
> Could it be that the vNIC speed is configured to be large enough for
> standard traffic to be negligible (i.e. <1% of vNIC speed)?
> 
> Yours, Lior.
> 
> On 06/10/14 11:09, Shanil S wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > We are using the ovirt version 3.4.3, it seems the network usage
> is not
> > showing correctly in the ovirt panel. What may be the reasons ? I have
> > attached the screenshots, please check it.
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Shanil
> >
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Re: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM

[Maor Lipchuk]

Elad, the the VM from configuration checks the existence of the VM id.
Probably RHEL_65_CL1_CLONE2 has the same id as the VM which is being imported.

Regards,
Maor


- Original Message -
> From: "Elad Ben Aharon" 
> To: "santosh" , "Allon Mureinik" 
> Cc: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 9:08:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM
> 
> If you still have the backed up VM in your system, the create from
> configuration operation should be blocked as you've encountered.
> Allon, what does the create VM from configuration checks? The existence of
> the VM name or the existence of its ID?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "santosh" 
> To: users@ovirt.org
> Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2014 4:28:06 AM
> Subject: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am trying to backup and restore the VM using the flow suggester at
> Features/Backup-Restore API Integration
> 
> When I tried to restore the VM using the following steps,
> 
> 
> Full Virtual Machine Restoration
> 
> 
> 1. Create disks for restore
> 2. Attach the disks for restore to the virtual appliance (Restore the
> data to it)
> 3. Detach the disks from the virtual appliance.
> 4. Create a vm using the configuration that was saved as part of the
> backup flow - (added capabillity to oVirt as part of the Backup API)
> 5. Attach the restored disks to the created vm.
> 
> I encountered following error at step 4.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Operation Failed
> [Import VM failed - VM Id already exist in the system . Please remove
> the VM (RHEL_65_CL1_CLONE2) from the system first]
> 
> 
> I have not deleted/removed the backed up VM from the system.
> 
> Is it expected behaviour?
> Should it not overwrite the existing VM or Create new VM with different VM
> Id, if the backup up VM exists?
> 
> 
> Thanks, Santosh
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Re: [ovirt-users] [ovirt 3.4.4] iptables blocking access via nativ vnc (blocking port)

[Frantisek Kobzik]

Hi,

in default scenario (i.e. deploying host using engine's host-deploy feature 
with automatic fw configuration selected), the ports should be opened. Did you 
deploy your host using host-deploy or manually?

Cheers,
F.


- Original Message -
From: "Grzegorz Szypa" 
To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:00:03 PM
Subject: [ovirt-users] [ovirt 3.4.4] iptables blocking access via nativ vnc 
(blocking port)

Hi. 


How does opening ports for VNC connection if you need ports in the range 
5900-5999 unblock yourself or ovirt should do it yourself? 

-- 
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Re: [ovirt-users] Add additional iSCSI path in ovirt 3.3.4

[Elad Ben Aharon]

Hi,

Have you tried to discover the new target and to login to it from the 'edit' 
storage domain prompt?

- Original Message -
From: "Thomas Scofield" 
To: "users" 
Sent: Saturday, 4 October, 2014 12:56:51 AM
Subject: [ovirt-users] Add additional iSCSI path in ovirt 3.3.4

I am trying to add a second path to my iSCSI LUNs but I can’t get the changes 
to persist. I can get the SPM to login to the second path, and from the server 
side the multipath –ll output looks good. I can then move the SPM around to 
force all the other systems to login to the iSCSI LUNs. But when I reboot a 
node I lose the second path. I have also been searching through the database to 
see what might be missing on the backend and I noticed that the second path is 
not listed in the storage_server_connections table. I tried adding an entry for 
the second path, but that did not resolve the problem. What is the proper way 
to add an additional path? 

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Re: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM

[Elad Ben Aharon]

If you still have the backed up VM in your system, the create from 
configuration operation should be blocked as you've encountered.
Allon, what does the create VM from configuration checks? The existence of the 
VM name or the existence of its ID? 

- Original Message -
From: "santosh" 
To: users@ovirt.org
Sent: Monday, 6 October, 2014 4:28:06 AM
Subject: [ovirt-users] Restoring backed up VM

Hi 

I am trying to backup and restore the VM using the flow suggester at 
Features/Backup-Restore API Integration 

When I tried to restore the VM using the following steps, 


Full Virtual Machine Restoration 


1. Create disks for restore 
2. Attach the disks for restore to the virtual appliance (Restore the data 
to it) 
3. Detach the disks from the virtual appliance. 
4. Create a vm using the configuration that was saved as part of the backup 
flow - (added capabillity to oVirt as part of the Backup API) 
5. Attach the restored disks to the created vm. 

I encountered following error at step 4. 



 
Operation Failed 
[Import VM failed - VM Id already exist in the system . Please remove 
the VM (RHEL_65_CL1_CLONE2) from the system first] 
 

I have not deleted/removed the backed up VM from the system. 

Is it expected behaviour? 
Should it not overwrite the existing VM or Create new VM with different VM Id, 
if the backup up VM exists? 


Thanks, Santosh 
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