Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-02-04 Thread Nathan Hartman 
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:34 AM Brian Inglis
 wrote:
>
> You may wish to consider listing the Subversion packages available under
> Cygwin on your Apache Subversion Binary Packages web page at
>
> https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html

Done in r1897773 (merged to publish).

Cheers,
Nathan

Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-02-04 Thread Nathan Hartman 
On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 10:24 AM Daniel Sahlberg
 wrote:
> One small thing, the command for 64-bit is 'setup-x86_64' while the command 
> for 32-bit is 'setup-x86.exe'. I think we should have it the same way for 
> both. Since the file extension is not need on Windows, I'd suggest remove 
> .exe from 32-bit.

Ah good catch! Fixed in 1897772.

Cheers,
Nathan

Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-02-04 Thread Brian Inglis 

On 2022-02-04 08:23, Daniel Sahlberg wrote:

Den tors 3 feb. 2022 kl 23:09 skrev Nathan Hartman:
Added to our staging site:
https://subversion-staging.apache.org/packages.html#windows-cygwin

(Done in r1897742 and r1897743)
Feedback and corrections welcome!
Thanks for doing this, looks great!
One small thing, the command for 64-bit is 'setup-x86_64' while the 
command for 32-bit is 'setup-x86.exe'. I think we should have it the 
same way for both. Since the file extension is not need on Windows, I'd 
suggest remove .exe from 32-bit.


Thanks folks - LGTM - and agreed, as .exe is something we normally drop 
in examples for compatibility, documentation, interoperability, and 
standardization reasons!


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Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-02-04 Thread Daniel Sahlberg 
Den tors 3 feb. 2022 kl 23:09 skrev Nathan Hartman :

> Added to our staging site:
>
> https://subversion-staging.apache.org/packages.html#windows-cygwin
>
> (Done in r1897742 and r1897743)
>
> Feedback and corrections welcome!
>

Thanks for doing this, looks great!

One small thing, the command for 64-bit is 'setup-x86_64' while the command
for 32-bit is 'setup-x86.exe'. I think we should have it the same way for
both. Since the file extension is not need on Windows, I'd suggest remove
.exe from 32-bit.

Kind regards,
/Daniel

Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-02-03 Thread Nathan Hartman 
On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 12:00 PM Brian Inglis
 wrote:
>
> [Please CC/Reply All as I am not subscribed]
>
> On 2022-01-21 08:04, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:10 PM Brian Inglis
> >  wrote:
> >> On 2022-01-18 09:00, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> >>> I think it makes sense to list it under the Windows heading to keep it
> >>> near the other Windows-based options.
>
> >> Curl lists it under but separate "Windows - Cygwin" which is similar to
> >> their Linux distro listings and is probably clearer:
> >>  https://curl.se/download.html
>
> > Ah, thanks for this!
> > What is the canonical way to install Subversion in the Cygwin
> > environment? I ask because our Binary Packages page at
> > https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html gives the command (e.g.,
> > apt-get, pkg_add, brew, etc.) to install SVN on various Unices, so I'd
> > like to do the same here.
>
>  From OP:
> "binary (also source) packages available for installation using the
> Cygwin Setup program available from cygwin.com".
>
> Cygwin offers users only a native Windows GUI executable Cygwin Setup
> program (built using Cygwin autotools and Mingw tools) available for
> x86_64 (and x86) arches downloadable from Cygwin [https://cygwin.com/]:
>
> "...
> Installing Cygwin
>
> Install Cygwin by running setup-x86_64.exe
> [https://cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe]
>
> Use the setup program to perform a fresh install or to update an
> existing installation. [https://cygwin.com/install.html];
> ...
> 32 bit Cygwin
> ...
> You have been warned. If you're still sure you really need a 32 bit
> Cygwin, and there's absolutely no way around it, you may run the
> setup-x86.exe installer. [https://cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe]
> The signature can be used to verify the validity of this binary.
> [https://cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe.sig];
>
> The Cygwin Setup program is manually downloaded (from home page via
> browser, curl, wget/2, etc.) wherever the user decides and also supports
> a command line interface which may involve GUI dialogs and windows
> appearing, depending on how many of the many options you provide e.g.
>
> -g, --upgrade-also   Upgrade installed packages also
> -n, --no-shortcuts   Disable creation of desktop and start shortcuts
> -P, --packages PKG,...   Specify packages to install
> -q, --quiet-mode Unattended setup mode
> -r, --no-replaceonreboot Disable replacing in-use files on next reboot
> -v, --verboseVerbose output
>
> : basic commands
>  > .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion,subversion-tools
> : X GUIs
>  > .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-gnome,kdesvn
> : file import utilities
>  > .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P svn-load,svn_load_dirs
> : repo conversion utilities
>  > .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P git-svn,cvs2svn
> : language interpreter bindings
>  > .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-perl,subversion-python,^
> subversion-ruby
> : Apache module
>  > .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-httpd
> : developer/maintainer headers, import libraries, and debug info
>  > .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-devel,subversion-debuginfo,^
> kdesvn-debuginfo

Added to our staging site:

https://subversion-staging.apache.org/packages.html#windows-cygwin

(Done in r1897742 and r1897743)

Feedback and corrections welcome!

Cheers,
Nathan

Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-01-21 Thread Brian Inglis 

[Please CC/Reply All as I am not subscribed]

On 2022-01-21 08:04, Nathan Hartman wrote:

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:10 PM Brian Inglis
 wrote:

On 2022-01-18 09:00, Nathan Hartman wrote:

I think it makes sense to list it under the Windows heading to keep it
near the other Windows-based options.



Curl lists it under but separate "Windows - Cygwin" which is similar to
their Linux distro listings and is probably clearer:
 https://curl.se/download.html



Ah, thanks for this!
What is the canonical way to install Subversion in the Cygwin
environment? I ask because our Binary Packages page at
https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html gives the command (e.g.,
apt-get, pkg_add, brew, etc.) to install SVN on various Unices, so I'd
like to do the same here.


From OP:
"binary (also source) packages available for installation using the 
Cygwin Setup program available from cygwin.com".


Cygwin offers users only a native Windows GUI executable Cygwin Setup 
program (built using Cygwin autotools and Mingw tools) available for 
x86_64 (and x86) arches downloadable from Cygwin [https://cygwin.com/]:


"...
Installing Cygwin

Install Cygwin by running setup-x86_64.exe
[https://cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe]

Use the setup program to perform a fresh install or to update an 
existing installation. [https://cygwin.com/install.html];

...
32 bit Cygwin
...
You have been warned. If you're still sure you really need a 32 bit 
Cygwin, and there's absolutely no way around it, you may run the

setup-x86.exe installer. [https://cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe]
The signature can be used to verify the validity of this binary.
[https://cygwin.com/setup-x86_64.exe.sig];

The Cygwin Setup program is manually downloaded (from home page via 
browser, curl, wget/2, etc.) wherever the user decides and also supports 
a command line interface which may involve GUI dialogs and windows 
appearing, depending on how many of the many options you provide e.g.


-g, --upgrade-also   Upgrade installed packages also
-n, --no-shortcuts   Disable creation of desktop and start shortcuts
-P, --packages PKG,...   Specify packages to install
-q, --quiet-mode Unattended setup mode
-r, --no-replaceonreboot Disable replacing in-use files on next reboot
-v, --verboseVerbose output

: basic commands
> .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion,subversion-tools
: X GUIs
> .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-gnome,kdesvn
: file import utilities
> .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P svn-load,svn_load_dirs
: repo conversion utilities
> .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P git-svn,cvs2svn
: language interpreter bindings
> .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-perl,subversion-python,^
subversion-ruby
: Apache module
> .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-httpd
: developer/maintainer headers, import libraries, and debug info
> .../setup-x86_64 -gnqrv -P subversion-devel,subversion-debuginfo,^
kdesvn-debuginfo

There are some command line alternatives available on github but due to 
Windows restrictions they are unable to replace the core and active 
library DLLs and exes while running those same DLLs and exes.


One of those is apt-cyg and there are many forks of that (including 
mine) that will install or remove, but not upgrade all, packages and 
also provides a convenient wrapper similar to apt/-cache/-get/-... for 
other Cygwin commands useful to core DLL, utility, and package 
maintainers as well as users.


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Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-01-21 Thread Nathan Hartman 
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:10 PM Brian Inglis
 wrote:
> On 2022-01-18 09:00, Nathan Hartman wrote:
> > I think it makes sense to list it under the Windows heading to keep it
> > near the other Windows-based options.
>
> [Please CC/Reply All as I am not subscribed: forgot to mention that!]
>
> Curl lists it under but separate "Windows - Cygwin" which is similar to
> their Linux distro listings and is probably clearer:
>
> https://curl.se/download.html

Ah, thanks for this!

What is the canonical way to install Subversion in the Cygwin
environment? I ask because our Binary Packages page at
https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html gives the command (e.g.,
apt-get, pkg_add, brew, etc.) to install SVN on various Unices, so I'd
like to do the same here.

Thanks,
Nathan

Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-01-18 Thread Brian Inglis 



On 2022-01-18 09:00, Nathan Hartman wrote:

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:50 AM Daniel Sahlberg wrote:

Thanks for your request. This sounds reasonable to me.
One question to consider is if this should be under the Windows 
headline (which is reasonable since it is running under Windows) or

a separate headline. In some ways Cygwin behaves more like a
virtual machine running Linux (directory structure, line-endings)
than a normal Windows application.
I'm out of time for the moment but I'll circle back to the mail in 
next week unless someone has a different opinion.



Den tis 18 jan. 2022 kl 10:34 skrev Brian Inglis:

You may wish to consider listing the Subversion packages available under
Cygwin on your Apache Subversion Binary Packages web page at
 https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html



I think it makes sense to list it under the Windows heading to keep it
near the other Windows-based options.


[Please CC/Reply All as I am not subscribed: forgot to mention that!]

Curl lists it under but separate "Windows - Cygwin" which is similar to 
their Linux distro listings and is probably clearer:


https://curl.se/download.html

and would allow for your selection from all Subversion binary packages 
available on Cygwin to be listed without cluttering the native Windows 
alternative builds.


The Cygwin project icon is available for display on your page from:

https://cygwin.com/favicon.ico

also as SVG from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cygwin_logo.svg

The curl page also distingushes between 32 and 64 bits, which will not 
be necessary for Cygwin after the next major release 3.4, expected 
sometime later this year, which will drop official support for 32 bit 
Cygwin and packages (possibly at the option of their maintainers for 
some further transition period):


https://cygwin.com/pipermail/cygwin-announce/2021-December/010338.html

although most releases and packages from current to ancient times (2003) 
are still available to download and install on legacy Windows from:


http://www.crouchingtigerhiddenfruitbat.org/Cygwin/timemachine.html

and the maintainer already anticipates keeping 32 bit available from 
there forever (depending on AWS!)


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Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-01-18 Thread Nathan Hartman 
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 4:50 AM Daniel Sahlberg
 wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Thanks for your request. This sounds reasonable to me.
>
> One question to consider is if this should be under the Windows headline 
> (which is reasonable since it is running under Windows) or a separate 
> headline. In some ways Cygwin behaves more like a virtual machine running 
> Linux (directory structure, line-endings) than a normal Windows application.
>
> I'm out of time for the moment but I'll circle back to the mail in next week 
> unless someone has a different opinion.
>
> Kind regards,
> Daniel Sahlberg
>
> Den tis 18 jan. 2022 kl 10:34 skrev Brian Inglis 
> :
>>
>> You may wish to consider listing the Subversion packages available under
>> Cygwin on your Apache Subversion Binary Packages web page at
>>
>> https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html


I think it makes sense to list it under the Windows heading to keep it
near the other Windows-based options.

Cheers,
Nathan

Re: Cygwin Subversion Packages Available

2022-01-18 Thread Daniel Sahlberg 
Hi Brian,

Thanks for your request. This sounds reasonable to me.

One question to consider is if this should be under the Windows headline
(which is reasonable since it is running under Windows) or a separate
headline. In some ways Cygwin behaves more like a virtual machine running
Linux (directory structure, line-endings) than a normal Windows application.

I'm out of time for the moment but I'll circle back to the mail in next
week unless someone has a different opinion.

Kind regards,
Daniel Sahlberg

Den tis 18 jan. 2022 kl 10:34 skrev Brian Inglis <
brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca>:

> You may wish to consider listing the Subversion packages available under
> Cygwin on your Apache Subversion Binary Packages web page at
>
> https://subversion.apache.org/packages.html
>
> Cygwin has packaged subversion for at least 13 years since at least
> 1.4.6 and has a number of binary (also source) packages available for
> installation using the Cygwin Setup program available from cygwin.com
> with relevant package summaries available at:
>
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion.html 1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-devel.html   1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-gnome.html   1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-httpd.html   1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-perl.html1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-python.html  1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-ruby.html1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-tools.html   1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/subversion-debuginfo.html   1.14.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/cvs2svn.html2.4.0-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/git-svn.html2.34.1-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/kdesvn.html 2.0.0-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/kdesvn-debuginfo.html   2.0.0-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/svn-load.html   1.3-1
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/svn_load_dirs.html  1.9.2-2
>
> Cygwin is an actively developed and maintained volunteer distro to
> provide a POSIX compatible environment, including a variety of X
> desktops and many GUI apps, with comprehensive choices of development
> tools and libraries supporting pkgconf/pkg-config, under Windows, for
> those who have to run that system, with 12k+ packages (174GB) available
> from 70+ global mirror sites.
>
> Cygwin provides a Unix emulation library, and uses the newlib C library,
> contributes to its development, and cooperates with MinGW/-W64, Msys/2,
> Wine, and other projects.
>
> Cygwin is used as a Windows host for building many embedded systems,
> including some by hardware vendors.
>
> The Cygwin package build system design is based on portage and
> simplifies and automatically handles many aspects of packages built with
> autotools, configure/make scripts, cmake, and other common approaches,
> from upstreams available from common mirror sites and source repos.
>
> The overall approach is managed by volunteer RedHat project leads on
> sourceware.org servers with many volunteer contributors and maintainers
> some of whom are well known.
>
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