Re: Why are we top-posting...
Nazis! And now that this thread is dead, we can all go and enjoy our lives ;-) Thomas On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:50 AM, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Now you all get a gun and shoot me :) I got your point How many times No No No .. Enough This is a declaration I, TAHA, WILL NEVER SAY THAT TOP POSTING IS BAD OR BOTTOM POSTING IS GOOD CLOSE THIS POST... PLEASE . taha (internally still a bottom-poster by heart) On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Stephen Swinsburg s.swinsb...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: You read text from bottom to top? I thought this was dead and buried, people can post however they like and we are not going to conform to someone's 'standard'. Think of it this way, it's a mailing list where people write and read emails. How do you read and write your email? Pretty sure you'd hit a quick 'Reply' and type your message at the top like 99% of the rest of the world? Why change it for a mailing list? It's not designed so that one final post has every piece of information in it, that is what threads are for. What if someone erases part of the email when they reply? You'd be stuffed then! On 21/03/2009, at 5:50 AM, C. Bergström wrote: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Wicket Eclipse Consulting www.devotek-it.ch thomasmaeder.blogspot.com
Re: Why are we top-posting...
You read text from bottom to top? I thought this was dead and buried, people can post however they like and we are not going to conform to someone's 'standard'. Think of it this way, it's a mailing list where people write and read emails. How do you read and write your email? Pretty sure you'd hit a quick 'Reply' and type your message at the top like 99% of the rest of the world? Why change it for a mailing list? It's not designed so that one final post has every piece of information in it, that is what threads are for. What if someone erases part of the email when they reply? You'd be stuffed then! On 21/03/2009, at 5:50 AM, C. Bergström wrote: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Why are we top-posting...
Now you all get a gun and shoot me :) I got your point How many times No No No .. Enough This is a declaration I, TAHA, WILL NEVER SAY THAT TOP POSTING IS BAD OR BOTTOM POSTING IS GOOD CLOSE THIS POST... PLEASE . taha (internally still a bottom-poster by heart) On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Stephen Swinsburg s.swinsb...@lancaster.ac.uk wrote: You read text from bottom to top? I thought this was dead and buried, people can post however they like and we are not going to conform to someone's 'standard'. Think of it this way, it's a mailing list where people write and read emails. How do you read and write your email? Pretty sure you'd hit a quick 'Reply' and type your message at the top like 99% of the rest of the world? Why change it for a mailing list? It's not designed so that one final post has every piece of information in it, that is what threads are for. What if someone erases part of the email when they reply? You'd be stuffed then! On 21/03/2009, at 5:50 AM, C. Bergström wrote: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
I vote for top or interleaved, dont bottom post thats the most horrible one On 14/03/2009, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
Those who receive first part of e-mail through sms message are very thankful if valuable part is on top. On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Johan Compagner jcompag...@gmail.com wrote: I vote for top or interleaved, dont bottom post thats the most horrible one On 14/03/2009, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
I don't even read bottom-posts. All that scrolling gives me RSI. Regards, Erik. Anton Veretennikov wrote: Those who receive first part of e-mail through sms message are very thankful if valuable part is on top. -- Erik van Oosten http://www.day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
RE: Why are we top-posting...
+1 -Original Message- From: Erik van Oosten [mailto:e.vanoos...@grons.nl] Sent: 15 March 2009 16:11 To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: Re: Why are we top-posting... I don't even read bottom-posts. All that scrolling gives me RSI. Regards, Erik. Anton Veretennikov wrote: Those who receive first part of e-mail through sms message are very thankful if valuable part is on top. -- Erik van Oosten http://www.day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
chuckle This is an old argument that I've seen get pretty heated, but I haven't heard it mentioned since I used news groups for this sort of thing. Anyway -- What Martijn said... - Brill On 14-Mar-09, at 9:25 PM, taha siddiqi wrote: I was not expecting this... ( look I am also top posting ). All I wanted to say was MAY BE it is easy to read the archives that way.( MAY BE ) Thanks anyways taha On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Top posting is, has been and forever will be acceptable in this community. If you don't like that, you're free to bottom post, interleave post or not post at all. Nobody is forcing you to read this list, nobody will flame you when you bottom post. Just don't start telling us how to conduct our communications. I don't care what color the bikeshed is in and I'm not interested in what color you like, I just want to put my bike inside and get to work. Martijn On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:14 PM, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http:// wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
I have my arguments but it is your mailing list, so I have to abide by the rules besides Martijn is my teacher ( Wicket in Action ) so can't argue.. :) Still came to know about 'Advantages of top posting', thanks everyone for the response - taha On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Brill Pappin br...@pappin.ca wrote: chuckle This is an old argument that I've seen get pretty heated, but I haven't heard it mentioned since I used news groups for this sort of thing. Anyway -- What Martijn said... - Brill On 14-Mar-09, at 9:25 PM, taha siddiqi wrote: I was not expecting this... ( look I am also top posting ). All I wanted to say was MAY BE it is easy to read the archives that way.( MAY BE ) Thanks anyways taha On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Top posting is, has been and forever will be acceptable in this community. If you don't like that, you're free to bottom post, interleave post or not post at all. Nobody is forcing you to read this list, nobody will flame you when you bottom post. Just don't start telling us how to conduct our communications. I don't care what color the bikeshed is in and I'm not interested in what color you like, I just want to put my bike inside and get to work. Martijn On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:14 PM, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
In my experience, top vs bottom vs interleaved posting is dependent on the community. I searched my gmail archives which have the list back through around 2006 and found only four threads where someone mentioned top posting - and most of them had no response. In my opinion, I appreciate top posting - I read most of my Wicket emails on my phone. And scrolling down through long lists on my phone is a pain. Most of the core committers use gmail - as I do - and there, too, I like top posting. I have the whole thread if I need to look back - so just get to the point at the beginning of the message. Anyway - the only rule this community typically has with posting is: at least try to do your research before posting - this is a high-volume list, and we ask people to search the archives. Other than that, it's whatever makes you happy. -- Jeremy Thomerson http://www.wickettraining.com On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:14 AM, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
Jeremy Thomerson wrote: In my experience, top vs bottom vs interleaved posting is dependent on the community. Yes. In my opinion, I appreciate top posting I do not. When you post something, and one reply with his (mis)understands, it's much more difficult to continue a decent dialog when reply was top posted. Also, I would need to write (and you all read) much more to reply this message in top post mode. Adriano (an interleaved posting fan) :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
I always top post, and it's how I hope to see replies. I want the response at the top because it the most relevant information for the thread... if I should need to get some background or context I can see it in descending order and only read back as far as I want. Although I've seen the top/bottom posting argument before, there is nothing I hate more than having to scroll to the bottom of a message (or search a long thread) to read it (I often don't even bother). Also, don't forget that the technology and usage has changed over the years and most of us are simply reading the list in standard mail apps or online, where a top posting is IMO easier to see. i.e. this is not Usenet after all with special readers. So, although I hear you, I very much doubt that your going to get me to bottom-post and if you want to, then go ahead... but I reserve the right not to bother scrolling through your threads to find the content you want to convey. Nothing personal, I'm just lazy :) - Brill On 14-Mar-09, at 9:14 AM, taha siddiqi wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
But you didn't bottom post, you interleaved the post... which IMO was useful for this message. - Brill On 14-Mar-09, at 1:23 PM, Adriano dos Santos Fernandes wrote: Jeremy Thomerson wrote: In my experience, top vs bottom vs interleaved posting is dependent on the community. Yes. In my opinion, I appreciate top posting I do not. When you post something, and one reply with his (mis)understands, it's much more difficult to continue a decent dialog when reply was top posted. Also, I would need to write (and you all read) much more to reply this message in top post mode. Adriano (an interleaved posting fan) :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
Top posting is, has been and forever will be acceptable in this community. If you don't like that, you're free to bottom post, interleave post or not post at all. Nobody is forcing you to read this list, nobody will flame you when you bottom post. Just don't start telling us how to conduct our communications. I don't care what color the bikeshed is in and I'm not interested in what color you like, I just want to put my bike inside and get to work. Martijn On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:14 PM, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
Re: Why are we top-posting...
I was not expecting this... ( look I am also top posting ). All I wanted to say was MAY BE it is easy to read the archives that way.( MAY BE ) Thanks anyways taha On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:54 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote: Top posting is, has been and forever will be acceptable in this community. If you don't like that, you're free to bottom post, interleave post or not post at all. Nobody is forcing you to read this list, nobody will flame you when you bottom post. Just don't start telling us how to conduct our communications. I don't care what color the bikeshed is in and I'm not interested in what color you like, I just want to put my bike inside and get to work. Martijn On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 2:14 PM, taha siddiqi tawushaf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The story goes like this... Once I was brave enough to take on linux-kernal programming and joined a mailing list. My first post brought me a link which was not an answer to my question but an advice and today I feel we all need to look at it http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html Every time I try to read an archived mail to solve my problem I have to scroll the page up and down... Why don't we bottom-post to make our mails more readable and future proof HUMBLE REQUEST taha - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org -- Become a Wicket expert, learn from the best: http://wicketinaction.com Apache Wicket 1.3.5 is released Get it now: http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/wicket/1.3. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
