Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
On Sunday 07 March 2010 12:09:04 pm Frank Mehnert wrote: Hi, On Saturday 06 March 2010, NoOp wrote: 1. Is there an annouced time-frame for this? Or will the list just suddenly fail to resolve overnight? My intension was to wait for a bit until everyone read the announcement and you've got a chance to 2. Will: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Mailing_lists be updated to reflect the change? Currently there is no indication on that page, or http://www.virtualbox.org/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users regarding the closure new users are likely to sign up without knowing the status (recent new posts are an example). Yes, I will add a note to the official website. Kind regards, Frank Thanks for your help! ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
On Sunday 07 March 2010, Frank Mehnert wrote: Hi, On Saturday 06 March 2010, NoOp wrote: 1. Is there an annouced time-frame for this? Or will the list just suddenly fail to resolve overnight? My intension was to wait for a bit until everyone read the announcement and you've got a chance to set up another mailing list. (sorry, a bit late today :)) Kind regards, Frank -- Dr.-Ing. Frank Mehnert Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht München: HRB 161028 Geschäftsführer: Thomas Schröder, Wolfgang Engels Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Häring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Dick Hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl wrote: Op 5-3-2010 17:23, sdavmor wrote: And add me +1 on the big round of thanks to Frank and the other Sun contributors to the list. Always helpful; always polite. I'll keep on reading these messages and at the same time registered myself to the new list at sourceforge. Seems reasonable. I'm ready for the future... ;-) It would be also very nice if we could convince someone from Sun to subscribe to the new list. Othewise there will be only users asking questions, but very few capable of giving answers. Perhaps not with the same level of regularity, but check the new mailing list once or twice a week would be possible?. FC ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
My work day is 90% reading my GMail inbox. With this mailing list, I was able to learn about features, problems, etc without leaving my browser tab. A web forum only makes things worse, not better. Wouldn´t there be a way to integrate the mailing list with web forums?. IE a new mail to this mailing list address is automatically posted as a new web forum post?. (for already validated e-mail addresses). FC On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Frank Mehnert frank.mehn...@sun.com wrote: Hi, we've decided to close the vbox-users mailing list as the traffic is very low and the VBox forums at http://forums.virtualbox.org/ are a better place to ask related questions. Of course, before opening a new topic you should search the forum if your answer is already there. The vbox-dev mailing list will remain. Kind regards, Frank -- Dr.-Ing. Frank Mehnert Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht München: HRB 161028 Geschäftsführer: Thomas Schröder, Wolfgang Engels Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Häring ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users -- Dream of the Daily Mail It is the Holy Grail And then the BBC Your life would be complete -Manic Street Preachers, Royal Correspondent ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
Hi all, Fernando Cassia wrote: With this mailing list, I was able to learn about features, problems, etc without leaving my browser tab. A web forum only makes things worse, not better. I want to assent to this. Browser based forums are a completely different media which may contain the same content as a mailing list, but I feel rather uncomfortable when I want to get access to that information on a daily basis. IMO reading mails is much simpler. Wouldn´t there be a way to integrate the mailing list with web forums?. IE a new mail to this mailing list address is automatically posted as a new web forum post?. (for already validated e-mail addresses). Maybe the other way round would be better: each forum post could be forwarded to this mailing list. By this, the argument traffic is very low would become pointless, too. ;-) Have a nice day, Berny On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Frank Mehnert frank.mehn...@sun.com wrote: Hi, we've decided to close the vbox-users mailing list as the traffic is very low and the VBox forums at http://forums.virtualbox.org/ are a better place to ask related questions. Of course, before opening a new topic you should search the forum if your answer is already there. The vbox-dev mailing list will remain. Kind regards, Frank -- Dr.-Ing. Frank Mehnert Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht München: HRB 161028 Geschäftsführer: Thomas Schröder, Wolfgang Engels Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Häring ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users -- Dream of the Daily Mail It is the Holy Grail And then the BBC Your life would be complete -Manic Street Preachers, Royal Correspondent ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
On Thursday 04 March 2010, John wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Frank Mehnert frank.mehn...@sun.com wrote: we've decided to close the vbox-users mailing list as the traffic is very low and the VBox forums at http://forums.virtualbox.org/ are a better place to ask related questions. Of course, before opening a new topic you should search the forum if your answer is already there. Sorry, maybe this is a stupid question: why is low traffic a reason for closing a maillist? Seems there are enough posts to show that the list _is_ being used. To be clear: this is not my _personal_ decision but a decision made by Sun/Oracle. So no complaints to my address please. Kind regards, Frank -- Dr.-Ing. Frank Mehnert Sitz der Gesellschaft: Sun Microsystems GmbH, Sonnenallee 1, 85551 Kirchheim-Heimstetten Amtsgericht München: HRB 161028 Geschäftsführer: Thomas Schröder, Wolfgang Engels Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Martin Häring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
[ Comments below, in line ] On Thursday 04 March 2010 at 8:55 am, Frank Mehnert penned about Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list To be clear: this is not my _personal_ decision but a decision made by Sun/Oracle. So no complaints to my address please. Hi Frank, Thank you for confirming my suspicion. *sigh* I wish people who are in managerial positions would consider what their technical people tell them. Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph:819.459.1926 Fax: 760.860.5225 (US) ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
On 3/4/2010 6:43 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Pablo Sanchez wrote: [ Comments below, in line ] On Thursday 04 March 2010 at 4:59 am, Frank Mehnert penned about [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list Hi, we've decided to close the vbox-users mailing list as the traffic is very low and the VBox forums at http://forums.virtualbox.org/ are a better place to ask related questions. Of course, before opening a new topic you should search the forum if your answer is already there. Hi Frank, It's a shame to do so. I'll be bounded by the web interface for my interfaction. So cumbersome. Not that it matters but I doubt I'll transfer to the forums. I don't like klunky front-ends. +1. i *despise* web-based forums. why not just leave the mailing list as is, and those who want to stay here can stay, and others can move over to the forums. is there any harm in simply letting the mailing list carry on as is? +1 I'm disabled and use speech recognition. webforums drive recognition speed and accuracy downward, break more in the presence speech recognition errors, and are less accessible (need hands to operate). web forums make the BBSs of the 1980's look fast and functional. ** alternative solution. ** ditch the forum and use a private nntp server with a web server front end for the forumites. http://www.wendzel.de/?sub=softwssub=wendzelnntpd http://amrhein.eu/newsportal ---eric ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 07:25:32AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: My work day is 90% reading my GMail inbox. With this mailing list, I was able to learn about features, problems, etc without leaving my browser tab. A web forum only makes things worse, not better. Wouldn??t there be a way to integrate the mailing list with web forums?. IE a new mail to this mailing list address is automatically posted as a new web forum post?. (for already validated e-mail addresses). I have to second Fernando here. I spend most (enough) of my time on e-mail already, without spending even more time opening my web browser, and browsing through forums, which I have never been a fan of either. Unless there is a way to integrate e-mail with the forums as Fernando has suggested above, I personally wouldn't welcome the closing of this list. I probably wouldn't ever bother with the forums, unless I had a problem I couldn't solve on my own. I know that may seem unfair, harsh, and selfish, but unfortunately that's what my approach would have to be if I had to take extra time out of my day to browse through the forums. Just my $0.01 worth. Greg - -- web site: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org gpg public key: http://www.romuald.net.eu.org/pubkey.asc skype: gregn1 (authorization required, add me to your contacts list first) - -- Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-mana...@eu.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuP+RsACgkQ7s9z/XlyUyDq6gCfb0PGUQv3Om6w1jRNeJky3Veb D3IAoI0x+keO/EWe229qj+p5pDZSS23b =T6dU -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
[ Comments below, in line ] On Thursday 04 March 2010 at 1:16 pm, Gregory Nowak penned about Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list I probably wouldn't ever bother with the forums, unless I had a problem I couldn't solve on my own. I know that may seem unfair, harsh, and selfish, but unfortunately that's what my approach would have to be if I had to take extra time out of my day to browse through the forums. Just my $0.01 worth. Hi Greg, The above echoes my view as well. It's not so much being selfish but I'm looking at the best use of my time. Polling (a forum) is very inefficient. Cheers, -- Pablo Sanchez - Blueoak Database Engineering, Inc Ph:819.459.1926 Fax: 760.860.5225 (US) ___ vbox-users mailing list vbox-users@virtualbox.org http://vbox.innotek.de/mailman/listinfo/vbox-users
Re: [vbox-users] Closing this mailing-list
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 06:43:46AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Pablo Sanchez wrote:
we've decided to close the vbox-users mailing list as the traffic
is very low and the VBox forums at http://forums.virtualbox.org/
are a better place to ask related questions. Of course, before
opening a new topic you should search the forum if your answer is
already there.
It's a shame to do so. I'll be bounded by the web interface for my
interfaction. So cumbersome. Not that it matters but I doubt I'll
transfer to the forums. I don't like klunky front-ends.
+1. i *despise* web-based forums. why not just leave the mailing
list as is, and those who want to stay here can stay, and others can
move over to the forums. is there any harm in simply letting the
mailing list carry on as is?
rday
p.s. my major complaint with all of the web-based forums that i've
run across is that, when i have a question, a web-based forum
typically does *not* supply a solution. rather, it supplies a
historical dialogue from the perspective of numerous people who
*think* they have the answer and argue endlessly while they eventually
*converge* to a solution:
There's a number of reasons why mailing lists are better than web
forums ('fora' is probably not correct in this context):
- Mailing lists are comfortable: I can download archives and read them
in my MUA as if I'd received the e-mails all along, and then I can
search them using my MUA.
- Web forums are typically much harder to search profitably and don't
lend themselves to dialog quite as well as mailing lists. This is so
partly because one is at the mercy of someone else's search engine
(thrid party engines, e.g., Google, might work, but it depends on how
robots.txt is setup), and partly because the contents created in a
web forum is typically not as rich as on a mailing list (because one
is more constrained by the web forum's input boxes; compare to
e-mail).
Web forums _are_ useful to users who don't use e-mail for these sorts of
things. But what I'd prefer in that case is to have a web forum
gateway/interface to a mailing list.
To be fair, I think these issues can be overcome, but to me e-mail (and
IRC!) is the currency of open source projects (note: open source != free
support, but that's another story).
Also, if you keep the IRC channel then knowledgeable users will likely
tend to avoid the web forum for the IRC channel, which means that the
forum's contents will suffer as it will tend to deal mostly with newbie
questions.
Cheers,
Nico
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