Re: [VFB] Re: Question about steelhead and salmon hooks

[Wes Wada]

Thank you Iain and Paul, great info!  Appreciate your sharing of your
experience and knowledge.

Very interesting to compare the evolution of these hooks with the designs
coming from current manufacturing technology and design.

Thanks for the link about the hook book, Paul.  I will get that one soon.


Holiday Cheer!

Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon

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[VFB] Re: Question about steelhead and salmon hooks

[Paul]

Hi Wes:

While the hook design is certainly traditional, several rational
factors are involved. Considering the overall strength of materials
available, heavy wire makes sense for what was, at the time, the
largest fly-caught species. Up eyed hooks offer the most open hook
gape. The return wire eye is, once again, stronger than other designs
considering the materials and manufacturing processes available. The
extra-long shank was needed for the larger flies used for salmon.
Finally, I suspect, but don't know for sure, that japanning was a
process to prevent rusting. Someone else may be able to answer the
"bend question" definitively but I do know that many bends were tried
down the years to improve hooking and strength. If you plow through
Stewart's The Hook Book, you can find some comparisons of like hooks
with different bends---but I warn you it will take some work. The one
potentially good reference (not online), unfortunately not in my
library, is A History of the Fish Hook by Hans Jorgen Hurum.

Cheers
Paul
www.galesendpress.com

On Dec 21, 10:52 pm, Wes Wada  wrote:
> Hi VFB!
>
> Season's Greetings!  or Greeted Seasonings, or something.
>
> Our weather is almost springlike at the moment.  Really comfortable for
> close to Christmas, datewise.  Amazing contrast with the snowbound northeast
> USA.  Then again, it was -14F a couple of weeks ago here.  I like this
> better.
>
> A question... what is the rationale behind the specific design of a
> steelhead or salmon hook?  Such as:  the classic configuration of black
> wire, long shank, up eye, non-round bend, etc.  How much of the design is
> tradition versus fishing effectiveness?  How and why did the basic design
> evolve?
>
> Any online references or history are welcomed, as well as comments, thanks.
>
> I don't have any reindeer jokes. I promise to do better next time.
>
> Wes Wada
> Bend, Oregon

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[VFB] Re: question about golden pheasant crest

[Peggy Brenner]

For the tails I use the shorter parts, then I have the longer ones for
toppings.  I pick the small bunches as they are one the crest, maybe split
one here and there.

Peggy

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:54 PM,  wrote:

>
> ok how do i use GP and how much do i use when using it for a tail ??? this
> is a new thing for me to use so any help would help thnk you verymuch
> Patrick Harnish
> Myrtle Creek OR
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[VFB] Re: question

[jim phillips]

That is Sierra Trading Post! Not outdoors. Ops!

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For Mark

May your GOD be your fishing partner.  
 
Jerry
I like Korkers. Sierra Outdoor Outfitters has them on sale and they come with 
interchangable soles (three) and you can buy more.
Jim 


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for the list
Jerry, get Aquastealth solesthe Simms Guide Model is greatvery 
light weight and a super strong toe. They come with the holes and the studs, so 
you can go either way. Patagonia also makes a nice pair. NEVER use felt. 
 


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Subject: [VFB] Re: question
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:33:25 -0700




Why not just get them resoled?
 
 
Thank you,
Alan Di Somma 
 
Phoenix, Mexico's second largest city
 
Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.

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From: J McK 
To: Fly Swap 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: [VFB] question

 
I'm needing a new pair of wading boots, I have a pair of hodgman bantam that 
the felt is coming off after
10 years. My question is what should I look for now that felt my be eliminated.

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Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P O Box 85
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FW: [VFB] Re: question

[jim phillips]

For Mark

May your GOD be your fishing partner.  
 
Jerry

I like Korkers. Sierra Outdoor Outfitters has them on sale and they come with 
interchangable soles (three) and you can buy more.

Jim 


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for the list
Jerry, get Aquastealth solesthe Simms Guide Model is greatvery 
light weight and a super strong toe. They come with the holes and the studs, so 
you can go either way. Patagonia also makes a nice pair. NEVER use felt. 
 


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Subject: [VFB] Re: question
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:33:25 -0700




Why not just get them resoled?
 
 
Thank you,
Alan Di Somma 
 
Phoenix, Mexico's second largest city
 
Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: [VFB] question

 
I'm needing a new pair of wading boots, I have a pair of hodgman bantam that 
the felt is coming off after
10 years. My question is what should I look for now that felt my be eliminated.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P O Box 85
Pottsville, AR 72858






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[VFB] Re: question

[the smith's]

some places are already talking about banning felt soles. as they are near 
impossabe to disinfect.  If the new rubber soles dont hold well enough for you 
try strapping on a pair of korkers.  I need them when i fish the salmon river 
in NY else I get taken off my feet.

Gary S.
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  Subject: [VFB] Re: question


  Why not just get them resoled?


  Thank you,
  Alan Di Somma 

  Phoenix, Mexico's second largest city

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To: Fly Swap 
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:41 AM
Subject: [VFB] question


 
I'm needing a new pair of wading boots, I have a pair of hodgman bantam 
that the felt is coming off after
10 years. My question is what should I look for now that felt my be 
eliminated.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P O Box 85
Pottsville, AR 72858






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[VFB] Re: question

[Alan Di Somma]

Why not just get them resoled?


Thank you,
Alan Di Somma 

Phoenix, Mexico's second largest city

Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.
  - Original Message - 
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  To: Fly Swap 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:41 AM
  Subject: [VFB] question


   
  I'm needing a new pair of wading boots, I have a pair of hodgman bantam that 
the felt is coming off after
  10 years. My question is what should I look for now that felt my be 
eliminated.

  Jerry McKaughan,President
  Caddis Fly Fishing Club
  P O Box 85
  Pottsville, AR 72858





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[VFB] Re: question

[George]

Check out the new Chota Roc-Loc Wading boot WW-500T
http://chotooutdoorgear.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=21_23
 &products_id=88
 
Speed lacing that is effortless, leather uppers, rubber sole with
replaceable studs.
 
Extremely comfortable. I can hike and stand all day in comfort.
 
But, I must agree the rubber soles do not have the same grip as felt, but it
is close.
 
George Vincent

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Of J McK
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 14:41
To: Fly Swap
Subject: [VFB] question


 
I'm needing a new pair of wading boots, I have a pair of hodgman bantam that
the felt is coming off after
10 years. My question is what should I look for now that felt my be
eliminated.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P O Box 85
Pottsville, AR 72858





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[VFB] Re: question

[Michael Bliss]

Jerry,

For years, I have used aqua stealth.  It is not as good as felt on slippery
surfaces which is why I have had the studs in mine.  It has a lot of
advantages.  Cleans up easier.  Does not continue to leak.  On cold days in
Utah, the felt soles I had would actually freeze to the rocks if I stopped
to consider my next move.  AS don't carry things like whirling disease
nearly as much.  They are much better for hiking.  However, as I said, don't
expect the grip that felt had.  For a brand, the best for the money may be
L.L. Bean.  Simms, Cloudviel, and others make a good boot but they get close
or over $200.  I am replacing mine at the current time and doing a lot of
shopping.   It is a good idea if you have a shop nearby to try them on. LL
Bean run small.  Some are on size.  I like them a little bit large so I can
wear a heavy sock in the winter.  If you want some other boot names, I can
send some to you.

Mike

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:41 AM, J McK  wrote:

>
> I'm needing a new pair of wading boots, I have a pair of hodgman bantam
> that the felt is coming off after
> 10 years. My question is what should I look for now that felt my be
> eliminated.
>
> Jerry McKaughan,President
> Caddis Fly Fishing Club
> P O Box 85
> Pottsville, AR 72858
>
>
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[Thomas Eckert]

it seems that Byard does not care anymore about about vfb – i contact him on
facebook where his is a “friend” – but no answer. 

 



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Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2009 16:40
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Betreff: [VFB] Re: question

 

Byard Miller, the owner of Linesend.

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From: J Balmer <mailto:jbal...@a5.com>  

To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:20 AM

Subject: [VFB] Re: question

 

Who owns the rights to Virtual Fly Box? 

 

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Of J McK
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:11 PM
To: Fly Swap
Subject: [VFB] question

 


What will we all do if the Vitrual Fly Box dies, I have e-mailed the web
master about updating the web site
and have had no response.  The site has had the same information on it for
almost a year.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P O Box 85
Pottsville, AR 72858





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[DonO]

Byard Miller, the owner of Linesend.
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  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:20 AM
  Subject: [VFB] Re: question


  Who owns the rights to Virtual Fly Box? 

   

  From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of J McK
  Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:11 PM
  To: Fly Swap
  Subject: [VFB] question

   


  What will we all do if the Vitrual Fly Box dies, I have e-mailed the web 
master about updating the web site
  and have had no response.  The site has had the same information on it for 
almost a year.

  Jerry McKaughan,President
  Caddis Fly Fishing Club
  P O Box 85
  Pottsville, AR 72858






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[VFB] Re: question

[Joseph Fusco, Sr.]

*Jerry -*
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:11 PM, J McK  wrote:

>
> What will we all do if the Vitrual Fly Box dies, I have e-mailed the web
> master about updating the web site
> and have had no response.  The site has had the same information on it for
> almost a year.
>
> Jerry McKaughan,President
> Caddis Fly Fishing Club
> P O Box 85
> Pottsville, AR 72858
>
>
>
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[VFB] Re: question

[J Balmer]

Who owns the rights to Virtual Fly Box? 

 

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of J McK
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 10:11 PM
To: Fly Swap
Subject: [VFB] question

 


What will we all do if the Vitrual Fly Box dies, I have e-mailed the web
master about updating the web site
and have had no response.  The site has had the same information on it for
almost a year.

Jerry McKaughan,President
Caddis Fly Fishing Club
P O Box 85
Pottsville, AR 72858





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[Henk Verhaar]

Well, as far as the list goes, IF it dies (which I don't expect any  
time soon ;-) ), someone else will surely step in and take over. In  
this day of ubiquitous Linux/OSX/Other *nix machines and widespread  
broadband connections anyone can run a mailserver from home...

On 7 Jul, 2009, at 5:11, J McK wrote:

>
> What will we all do if the Vitrual Fly Box dies, I have e-mailed the  
> web master about updating the web site
> and have had no response.  The site has had the same information on  
> it for almost a year.
>
> Jerry McKaughan,President
> Caddis Fly Fishing Club
> P O Box 85
> Pottsville, AR 72858
>
>
>
>
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[VFB] Re: question

[Michael Bliss]

It is a fair question.  I know that Byard has been busy and is largely
absent from the list which is a big loss.  I hope that we don't have
to find out.  If that happens, I am sure that Byard will give us
enough lead that we can change the ownership to someone else.  I would
like to see us keep this group together.

Mike

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM, J McK wrote:
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> What will we all do if the Vitrual Fly Box dies, I have e-mailed the web
> master about updating the web site
> and have had no response.  The site has had the same information on it for
> almost a year.
>
> Jerry McKaughan,President
> Caddis Fly Fishing Club
> P O Box 85
> Pottsville, AR 72858
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>
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