RE: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread Chuck Alexander
Tony and  Don: I have non diabetic nerve pain in my legs and feet and it hurt 
so bad it’s as Tony said it would make a grown man ry. The pain management doc 
I was seeing put me on Lyrica and it helped  for a cpl yrs to a point. Then, I 
started seeing the family doc I see now in 2013 and he didn’t like Lyrica as he 
said it had too many side effects (and the Lyrica had stopped helping me 
anyway) with other meds I was taking, so he asked me if I’d ever taken 
Neurontin and I told him “yrs ago, but it did no good, but I’m in such pain 
I’ll give it a whirl again. I tried it and walla, just like a magic bullet, it 
stopped my leg and foot pain in it’s track within about three days. They say 
your body changed every seven yrs or so, so I guess maybe that’s why it didn’t 
work at all some 20-25 yrs ago, but works like a charm now. The Neurontin that 
is. So anyway, it might be worth asking your respective docs about trying it. 
Sometimes med that have been around 50 yrs work better than the newer ones I 
guess. Good luck and prayer to you both either way. Chuck

 

From: 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail  
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 9:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

 

Don, I sympathize with you on the pain. I have what they call Phantom Pain.. 
Even though the foot and leg is gone the pain is still there. At times the pain 
can go on for hours, it is enough to make a full grown man cry.. I have also 
developed the shakes. 

I had planned to tie at one session at the Sowbug Show in two weeks but I am 
have to drop out on it.

Had 10 days in the hospital, got out Sunday, still not having good days. I 
think they have me on too  many meds.

Speaking of Sowbug, show will have over 150 tiers over the three day show. 165 
are signed up.

Tony

On Friday, March 15, 2019, 5:02:12 PM CDT, DonO mailto:f...@tribcsp.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Hi Gary and all swappers,

 

I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently that my 
debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or “post-stroke central 
pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome.

 

Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the pain 
plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.

 

So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be my 
life.

 

I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of commission. I’m 
doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues are out of hand. The 
pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though it can do some things. 
It also effects my right leg that way.

 

So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of flies, 
plus tie my set.  

 

I’ll give an update after my first flies. 

 

I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.

 

If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the pain, 
I have a fall-back plan or two.

 

Cheers, DonO

 

 

Subject: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?

 

Don,  actually I just want to be sure you are OK.   

 

Gary

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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread Joyce M Westphal
So sorry to hear of your pains, both of you.  Life can be a bummer at
times.  I feel your pain and worry for both of you. Joyce

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 9:41 AM 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail <
vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks Gary really wold like to have you make it but family comes first.
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 10:20:34 AM CDT, 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail <
> vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Take care of yourself first Don.
>
> Rick
>
>
> --
> *From:* J Balmer 
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:40 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15
>
> My flies have been done for a week, they’re going out this weekend.
>
> J
>
> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf
> Of *Ron Boutin
> *Sent:* Friday, March 15, 2019 8:26 PM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15
>
> Don, good to hear that you are doing somewhat better. The nerve pain you
> are dealing with can be very difficult. Don’t worry about the swap, just
> take care of yourself.
>
> Ron
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:02 PM, DonO  wrote:
>
> Hi Gary and all swappers,
>
> I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently that
> my debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or “post-stroke
> central pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome.
>
> Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the
> pain plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.
>
> So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be
> my life.
>
> I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of
> commission. I’m doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues
> are out of hand. The pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though
> it can do some things. It also effects my right leg that way.
>
> So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of
> flies, plus tie my set.
>
> I’ll give an update after my first flies.
>
> I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.
>
> If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the
> pain, I have a fall-back plan or two.
>
> Cheers, DonO
>
>
> *Subject:* [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?
>
> Don,  actually I just want to be sure you are OK.
>
> Gary
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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail
 Thanks Gary really wold like to have you make it but family comes first.Tony



On Saturday, March 16, 2019, 10:20:34 AM CDT, 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail 
 wrote:  
 
 Take care of yourself first Don.
Rick 

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 Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:40 AM
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weekend.  J  From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ron Boutin
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:26 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15  Don, good to hear that you 
are doing somewhat better. The nerve pain you are dealing with can be very 
difficult. Don’t worry about the swap, just take care of yourself.  RonSent 
from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:02 PM, DonO  wrote:
Hi Gary and all swappers, I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. 
Found recently that my debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or 
“post-stroke central pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome. 
Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the pain 
plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible. So for the last 3 months 
I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be my life. I am just able to 
get back to my fly room after 3 months out of commission. I’m doing plenty good 
health-wise- it’s just the pain issues are out of hand. The pain gets so bad I 
can’t use my right hand even though it can do some things. It also effects my 
right leg that way. So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 
18 sets of flies, plus tie my set.   I’ll give an update after my first flies.  
I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive. If my hand works, it shouldn’t 
take very long. If it’s all gone from the pain, I have a fall-back plan or two. 
Cheers, DonO  Subject: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update? Don,  actually I just 
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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread 'Rick Zieger' via VFB Mail
Take care of yourself first Don.
Rick 

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weekend.  J  From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Ron Boutin
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:26 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15  Don, good to hear that you 
are doing somewhat better. The nerve pain you are dealing with can be very 
difficult. Don’t worry about the swap, just take care of yourself.  RonSent 
from my iPad
On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:02 PM, DonO  wrote:
Hi Gary and all swappers, I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. 
Found recently that my debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or 
“post-stroke central pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome. 
Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the pain 
plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible. So for the last 3 months 
I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be my life. I am just able to 
get back to my fly room after 3 months out of commission. I’m doing plenty good 
health-wise- it’s just the pain issues are out of hand. The pain gets so bad I 
can’t use my right hand even though it can do some things. It also effects my 
right leg that way. So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 
18 sets of flies, plus tie my set.   I’ll give an update after my first flies.  
I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive. If my hand works, it shouldn’t 
take very long. If it’s all gone from the pain, I have a fall-back plan or two. 
Cheers, DonO  Subject: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update? Don,  actually I just 
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RE: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread J Balmer
My flies have been done for a week, they’re going out this weekend.

 

J

 

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Boutin
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:26 PM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

 

Don, good to hear that you are doing somewhat better. The nerve pain you are 
dealing with can be very difficult. Don’t worry about the swap, just take care 
of yourself.

 

Ron

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:02 PM, DonO mailto:f...@tribcsp.com> > 
wrote:

Hi Gary and all swappers,

 

I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently that my 
debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or “post-stroke central 
pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome.

 

Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the pain 
plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.

 

So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be my 
life.

 

I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of commission. I’m 
doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues are out of hand. The 
pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though it can do some things. 
It also effects my right leg that way.

 

So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of flies, 
plus tie my set.  

 

I’ll give an update after my first flies. 

 

I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.

 

If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the pain, 
I have a fall-back plan or two.

 

Cheers, DonO

 

 

Subject: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?

 

Don,  actually I just want to be sure you are OK.   

 

Gary

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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread Ron Boutin
Don, good to hear that you are doing somewhat better. The nerve pain you are 
dealing with can be very difficult. Don’t worry about the swap, just take care 
of yourself.

Ron

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> On Mar 15, 2019, at 5:02 PM, DonO  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gary and all swappers,
>  
> I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently that my 
> debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or “post-stroke central 
> pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome.
>  
> Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the 
> pain plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.
>  
> So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be my 
> life.
>  
> I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of commission. 
> I’m doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues are out of hand. 
> The pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though it can do some 
> things. It also effects my right leg that way.
>  
> So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of flies, 
> plus tie my set. 
>  
> I’ll give an update after my first flies.
>  
> I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.
>  
> If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the 
> pain, I have a fall-back plan or two.
>  
> Cheers, DonO
>  
>  
> Subject: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?
>  
> Don,  actually I just want to be sure you are OK.  
>  
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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread Neville Gosling
Hi Tony:

Both you and Don have both had a really tough time and I feel for both of
you. I am glad that you have overcome pneumonia because that is much more
serious than most people think. Get plenty of rest, try to keep moving as
best you can and eat carefully. Best wishes.

Neville (Nev) Gosling

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> Hi DonO;
>
> Sorry to learn that you are still in a lot of pain. As far as I am
> concerned you can take as much time as you like to sort the flies
> especially as it may cause you pain - for me there is no hurry whatsoever.
>
> Nevile (Nev) Gosling
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> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 8:59 PM Gary Webb  wrote:
>
>> Don,  Tony
>>
>> I'm so happy to hear from you both.  But so sorry to hear of your pains.
>>  You are in my/our prayers.
>> Wish I could go to The Sow Bug again.   But Susan my wife has a lot of
>> constant pain herself.  Too long a ride
>> from Wisconsin to Arkansas.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:02 PM DonO  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gary and all swappers,
>>>
>>> I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently
>>> that my debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or
>>> “post-stroke central pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain
>>> syndrome.
>>>
>>> Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with
>>> the pain plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.
>>>
>>> So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to
>>> be my life.
>>>
>>> I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of
>>> commission. I’m doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues
>>> are out of hand. The pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though
>>> it can do some things. It also effects my right leg that way.
>>>
>>> So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of
>>> flies, plus tie my set.
>>>
>>> I’ll give an update after my first flies.
>>>
>>> I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.
>>>
>>> If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the
>>> pain, I have a fall-back plan or two.
>>>
>>> Cheers, DonO
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?
>>>
>>> Don,  actually I just want to be sure you are OK.
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-16 Thread Neville Gosling
Hi DonO;

Sorry to learn that you are still in a lot of pain. As far as I am
concerned you can take as much time as you like to sort the flies
especially as it may cause you pain - for me there is no hurry whatsoever.

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On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 8:59 PM Gary Webb  wrote:

> Don,  Tony
>
> I'm so happy to hear from you both.  But so sorry to hear of your pains.
>  You are in my/our prayers.
> Wish I could go to The Sow Bug again.   But Susan my wife has a lot of
> constant pain herself.  Too long a ride
> from Wisconsin to Arkansas.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:02 PM DonO  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gary and all swappers,
>>
>> I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently that
>> my debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or “post-stroke
>> central pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome.
>>
>> Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with
>> the pain plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.
>>
>> So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to
>> be my life.
>>
>> I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of
>> commission. I’m doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues
>> are out of hand. The pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though
>> it can do some things. It also effects my right leg that way.
>>
>> So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of
>> flies, plus tie my set.
>>
>> I’ll give an update after my first flies.
>>
>> I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.
>>
>> If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the
>> pain, I have a fall-back plan or two.
>>
>> Cheers, DonO
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?
>>
>> Don,  actually I just want to be sure you are OK.
>>
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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-15 Thread Gary Webb
Don,  Tony

I'm so happy to hear from you both.  But so sorry to hear of your pains.
 You are in my/our prayers.
Wish I could go to The Sow Bug again.   But Susan my wife has a lot of
constant pain herself.  Too long a ride
from Wisconsin to Arkansas.

Gary




On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 5:02 PM DonO  wrote:

> Hi Gary and all swappers,
>
> I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently that
> my debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or “post-stroke
> central pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome.
>
> Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the
> pain plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.
>
> So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be
> my life.
>
> I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of
> commission. I’m doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues
> are out of hand. The pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though
> it can do some things. It also effects my right leg that way.
>
> So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of
> flies, plus tie my set.
>
> I’ll give an update after my first flies.
>
> I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.
>
> If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the
> pain, I have a fall-back plan or two.
>
> Cheers, DonO
>
>
> *Subject:* [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?
>
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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-15 Thread 'Anthony Spezio' via VFB Mail
 Don, I sympathize with you on the pain. I have what they call Phantom Pain.. 
Even though the foot and leg is gone the pain is still there. At times the pain 
can go on for hours, it is enough to make a full grown man cry.. I have also 
developed the shakes. 
I had planned to tie at one session at the Sowbug Show in two weeks but I am 
have to drop out on it.Had 10 days in the hospital, got out Sunday, still not 
having good days. I think they have me on too  many meds.Speaking of Sowbug, 
show will have over 150 tiers over the three day show. 165 are signed up.
Tony
On Friday, March 15, 2019, 5:02:12 PM CDT, DonO  wrote:  
 
 Hi Gary and all swappers, I’m still here battling to come back from the 
stroke. Found recently that my debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy 
Syndrome  or “post-stroke central pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke 
pain syndrome. Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse 
off with the pain plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible. So for 
the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be my life. I 
am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of commission. I’m 
doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues are out of hand. The 
pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though it can do some things. 
It also effects my right leg that way. So now I head to the bench to sort, 
divide, and repackage 18 sets of flies, plus tie my set.   I’ll give an update 
after my first flies.  I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive. If my hand 
works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the pain, I have a 
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Re: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update 3/15

2019-03-15 Thread DonO
Hi Gary and all swappers,

I’m still here battling to come back from the stroke. Found recently that my 
debilitating pain is called Degerne-Roussy Syndrome  or “post-stroke central 
pain syndrome.” Also called thalamic stroke pain syndrome.

Long story short, the pain meds have failed and left me worse off with the pain 
plus the side effects- which are themselves terrible.

So for the last 3 months I’ve been battling back to see what’s going to be my 
life.

I am just able to get back to my fly room after 3 months out of commission. I’m 
doing plenty good health-wise- it’s just the pain issues are out of hand. The 
pain gets so bad I can’t use my right hand even though it can do some things. 
It also effects my right leg that way.

So now I head to the bench to sort, divide, and repackage 18 sets of flies, 
plus tie my set.  

I’ll give an update after my first flies. 

I believe I’m waiting for one set to arrive.

If my hand works, it shouldn’t take very long. If it’s all gone from the pain, 
I have a fall-back plan or two.

Cheers, DonO


Subject: [VFB] Pink Squirrel swap update?

Don,  actually I just want to be sure you are OK.   

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