Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[Allan Fish]

On 7/3/16 11:59 AM, Joyce M Westphal wrote:


thanks so much.  I loved Denny's hackle but can't remember the fellow 
who bought him out.

The new website is:



af

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Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[Joyce M Westphal]

I am thinking that these are specialty colors from Lakeland and I will for
sure not be buying these colors from them again. I have gotten these colors
before with great results. But, I shall look at feather emporium as well.
I did email Nigel, the man who runs the company, and as soon as Tuesday
rolls around, these will be returned pronto to him. Perhaps it isn't worth
the cost of return, but I am not willing to have my precious space taken up
with hackle I will never use. The feathers themselves were good quality, it
was the crazy colors that were so bad.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Wes Wada  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What puzzles me is that the Whiting Farms web site doesn't list those
> colors you noted.  Unless they are marketing them under different color
> names, it gives me the impression that the colors were dyed by the UK
> company on Whiting stock, so it is likely Lakeland Fly Tying's error.
>
> I have been using FeatherEmporium.com for small feather purchases and have
> been very pleased with what I have received.  Their bargain bin is, well,
> full of bargains.
>
>
> Wes Wada
> Bend, Oregon USA
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:12 AM, ashley strutt 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joyce,
>>
>> It might also be due to the company that you bought them off. A friend of
>> mine ordered from them last year and asked for specific colours of hackle.
>> What he got was way of colour and when he contacted them the person who
>> runs the company was what can only be described has nasty so I won't deal
>> with them. Personally I also like to only buy hackle I can see and examine
>> my self.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016, 4:59 p.m. Joyce M Westphal, 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> thanks so much.  I loved Denny's hackle but can't remember the fellow
>>> who bought him out. As I need colors, I just tried Collins hackle.  The
>>> terribly dyed Whiting hackle will be in the mail back to the UK as soon as
>>> I can send it Tuesday.  This color debaucle was really off-putting for me
>>> on Whiting hackle.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>>>
 I used to like Denny Conrad's hackle, not sure if the company he sold
 to is doing the same quality - just haven't looked into it, honestly.  I
 recently got two capes and two saddles from Collins Hackle farms, grade 3
 but ties 10 to 18 for capes and 12 to 16s for saddle, the whole lot of it,
 all 4 items, were 60 bucks (plus whatever trivial amount postage was).  A
 note, though, he doesn't wash the feathers.  He claims it retains the oils,
 which is good, true, but it also doesn't clean off the, well pardon my
 language but, chicken umm "waste".  I think that's the most politically
 correct way to word it?  Excellent, beautiful colors, high barb count,
 sturdy yet thin stemmed, some of the best hackle I've worked with
 honestly.  Can't praise his hackle enough.
 When I went to order, I called him, spoke to him personally, had all
 intentions of buying a grade 1, he said don't waste your money get 2 grade
 3's, they'll tie the sizes I want in the same quality, I just won't get 20s
 and smaller.  He helped me select the color, asked what look I wanted for
 the flies, etc, gave me some background on the hackle itself - very
 knowledgeable guy, willing to share but isn't cocky or shoving info down
 your throat or a "used car salesman" type.  Honest guy, wanting to please
 his customer.  I couldn't praise him more, and will be back as soon as I
 save up (admittedly will be a while) for another cape-and-free-saddle 
 combo.
 Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure there are plenty of other fine hackle
 suppliers out there but Collins is my new personal favorite.
 -Pete

 On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
 wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold
> in my hand and see with my own eyes.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer  wrote:
>
>> I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the
>> past (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the
>> occasional swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I
>> truly trust.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Joyce M Westphal
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
>> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors
>>
>>
>>
>> I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying
>> in the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake 
>> olive.
>> I was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret,
>> just straight purple 

Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[Wes Wada]

Hi,

What puzzles me is that the Whiting Farms web site doesn't list those
colors you noted.  Unless they are marketing them under different color
names, it gives me the impression that the colors were dyed by the UK
company on Whiting stock, so it is likely Lakeland Fly Tying's error.

I have been using FeatherEmporium.com for small feather purchases and have
been very pleased with what I have received.  Their bargain bin is, well,
full of bargains.


Wes Wada
Bend, Oregon USA

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:12 AM, ashley strutt 
wrote:

> Hi Joyce,
>
> It might also be due to the company that you bought them off. A friend of
> mine ordered from them last year and asked for specific colours of hackle.
> What he got was way of colour and when he contacted them the person who
> runs the company was what can only be described has nasty so I won't deal
> with them. Personally I also like to only buy hackle I can see and examine
> my self.
>
> Ashley
>
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2016, 4:59 p.m. Joyce M Westphal, 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> thanks so much.  I loved Denny's hackle but can't remember the fellow who
>> bought him out. As I need colors, I just tried Collins hackle.  The
>> terribly dyed Whiting hackle will be in the mail back to the UK as soon as
>> I can send it Tuesday.  This color debaucle was really off-putting for me
>> on Whiting hackle.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>>
>>> I used to like Denny Conrad's hackle, not sure if the company he sold to
>>> is doing the same quality - just haven't looked into it, honestly.  I
>>> recently got two capes and two saddles from Collins Hackle farms, grade 3
>>> but ties 10 to 18 for capes and 12 to 16s for saddle, the whole lot of it,
>>> all 4 items, were 60 bucks (plus whatever trivial amount postage was).  A
>>> note, though, he doesn't wash the feathers.  He claims it retains the oils,
>>> which is good, true, but it also doesn't clean off the, well pardon my
>>> language but, chicken umm "waste".  I think that's the most politically
>>> correct way to word it?  Excellent, beautiful colors, high barb count,
>>> sturdy yet thin stemmed, some of the best hackle I've worked with
>>> honestly.  Can't praise his hackle enough.
>>> When I went to order, I called him, spoke to him personally, had all
>>> intentions of buying a grade 1, he said don't waste your money get 2 grade
>>> 3's, they'll tie the sizes I want in the same quality, I just won't get 20s
>>> and smaller.  He helped me select the color, asked what look I wanted for
>>> the flies, etc, gave me some background on the hackle itself - very
>>> knowledgeable guy, willing to share but isn't cocky or shoving info down
>>> your throat or a "used car salesman" type.  Honest guy, wanting to please
>>> his customer.  I couldn't praise him more, and will be back as soon as I
>>> save up (admittedly will be a while) for another cape-and-free-saddle combo.
>>> Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure there are plenty of other fine hackle
>>> suppliers out there but Collins is my new personal favorite.
>>> -Pete
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold in
 my hand and see with my own eyes.

 On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer  wrote:

> I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the
> past (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the
> occasional swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I
> truly trust.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Joyce M Westphal
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors
>
>
>
> I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying
> in the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake 
> olive.
> I was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret,
> just straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a
> red/orange color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. 
> I
> have compared this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  
> on
> thiss colored hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done
> by someone who is color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying
> or is this bad color job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any
> input at all. This has really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles.
> Joyce
>
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Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[ashley strutt]

Hi Joyce,

It might also be due to the company that you bought them off. A friend of
mine ordered from them last year and asked for specific colours of hackle.
What he got was way of colour and when he contacted them the person who
runs the company was what can only be described has nasty so I won't deal
with them. Personally I also like to only buy hackle I can see and examine
my self.

Ashley

On Sun, 3 Jul 2016, 4:59 p.m. Joyce M Westphal,  wrote:

>
> thanks so much.  I loved Denny's hackle but can't remember the fellow who
> bought him out. As I need colors, I just tried Collins hackle.  The
> terribly dyed Whiting hackle will be in the mail back to the UK as soon as
> I can send it Tuesday.  This color debaucle was really off-putting for me
> on Whiting hackle.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:
>
>> I used to like Denny Conrad's hackle, not sure if the company he sold to
>> is doing the same quality - just haven't looked into it, honestly.  I
>> recently got two capes and two saddles from Collins Hackle farms, grade 3
>> but ties 10 to 18 for capes and 12 to 16s for saddle, the whole lot of it,
>> all 4 items, were 60 bucks (plus whatever trivial amount postage was).  A
>> note, though, he doesn't wash the feathers.  He claims it retains the oils,
>> which is good, true, but it also doesn't clean off the, well pardon my
>> language but, chicken umm "waste".  I think that's the most politically
>> correct way to word it?  Excellent, beautiful colors, high barb count,
>> sturdy yet thin stemmed, some of the best hackle I've worked with
>> honestly.  Can't praise his hackle enough.
>> When I went to order, I called him, spoke to him personally, had all
>> intentions of buying a grade 1, he said don't waste your money get 2 grade
>> 3's, they'll tie the sizes I want in the same quality, I just won't get 20s
>> and smaller.  He helped me select the color, asked what look I wanted for
>> the flies, etc, gave me some background on the hackle itself - very
>> knowledgeable guy, willing to share but isn't cocky or shoving info down
>> your throat or a "used car salesman" type.  Honest guy, wanting to please
>> his customer.  I couldn't praise him more, and will be back as soon as I
>> save up (admittedly will be a while) for another cape-and-free-saddle combo.
>> Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure there are plenty of other fine hackle
>> suppliers out there but Collins is my new personal favorite.
>> -Pete
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold in
>>> my hand and see with my own eyes.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer  wrote:
>>>
 I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the
 past (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the
 occasional swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I
 truly trust.



 J



 *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Joyce M Westphal
 *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
 *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors



 I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying
 in the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake olive.
 I was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret,
 just straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a
 red/orange color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. I
 have compared this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  on
 thiss colored hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done
 by someone who is color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying
 or is this bad color job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any
 input at all. This has really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles.
 Joyce

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Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[Joyce M Westphal]

thanks so much.  I loved Denny's hackle but can't remember the fellow who
bought him out. As I need colors, I just tried Collins hackle.  The
terribly dyed Whiting hackle will be in the mail back to the UK as soon as
I can send it Tuesday.  This color debaucle was really off-putting for me
on Whiting hackle.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Pete Gramp  wrote:

> I used to like Denny Conrad's hackle, not sure if the company he sold to
> is doing the same quality - just haven't looked into it, honestly.  I
> recently got two capes and two saddles from Collins Hackle farms, grade 3
> but ties 10 to 18 for capes and 12 to 16s for saddle, the whole lot of it,
> all 4 items, were 60 bucks (plus whatever trivial amount postage was).  A
> note, though, he doesn't wash the feathers.  He claims it retains the oils,
> which is good, true, but it also doesn't clean off the, well pardon my
> language but, chicken umm "waste".  I think that's the most politically
> correct way to word it?  Excellent, beautiful colors, high barb count,
> sturdy yet thin stemmed, some of the best hackle I've worked with
> honestly.  Can't praise his hackle enough.
> When I went to order, I called him, spoke to him personally, had all
> intentions of buying a grade 1, he said don't waste your money get 2 grade
> 3's, they'll tie the sizes I want in the same quality, I just won't get 20s
> and smaller.  He helped me select the color, asked what look I wanted for
> the flies, etc, gave me some background on the hackle itself - very
> knowledgeable guy, willing to share but isn't cocky or shoving info down
> your throat or a "used car salesman" type.  Honest guy, wanting to please
> his customer.  I couldn't praise him more, and will be back as soon as I
> save up (admittedly will be a while) for another cape-and-free-saddle combo.
> Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure there are plenty of other fine hackle
> suppliers out there but Collins is my new personal favorite.
> -Pete
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold in
>> my hand and see with my own eyes.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer  wrote:
>>
>>> I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the past
>>> (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the occasional
>>> swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I truly trust.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Joyce M Westphal
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
>>> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying in
>>> the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake olive. I
>>> was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret, just
>>> straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a
>>> red/orange color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. I
>>> have compared this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  on
>>> thiss colored hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done
>>> by someone who is color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying
>>> or is this bad color job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any
>>> input at all. This has really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles.
>>> Joyce
>>>
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Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[Pete Gramp]

I used to like Denny Conrad's hackle, not sure if the company he sold to is
doing the same quality - just haven't looked into it, honestly.  I recently
got two capes and two saddles from Collins Hackle farms, grade 3 but ties
10 to 18 for capes and 12 to 16s for saddle, the whole lot of it, all 4
items, were 60 bucks (plus whatever trivial amount postage was).  A note,
though, he doesn't wash the feathers.  He claims it retains the oils, which
is good, true, but it also doesn't clean off the, well pardon my language
but, chicken umm "waste".  I think that's the most politically correct way
to word it?  Excellent, beautiful colors, high barb count, sturdy yet thin
stemmed, some of the best hackle I've worked with honestly.  Can't praise
his hackle enough.
When I went to order, I called him, spoke to him personally, had all
intentions of buying a grade 1, he said don't waste your money get 2 grade
3's, they'll tie the sizes I want in the same quality, I just won't get 20s
and smaller.  He helped me select the color, asked what look I wanted for
the flies, etc, gave me some background on the hackle itself - very
knowledgeable guy, willing to share but isn't cocky or shoving info down
your throat or a "used car salesman" type.  Honest guy, wanting to please
his customer.  I couldn't praise him more, and will be back as soon as I
save up (admittedly will be a while) for another cape-and-free-saddle combo.
Just my 2 cents worth, I'm sure there are plenty of other fine hackle
suppliers out there but Collins is my new personal favorite.
-Pete

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Joyce M Westphal 
wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold in my
> hand and see with my own eyes.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer  wrote:
>
>> I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the past
>> (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the occasional
>> swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I truly trust.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Joyce M Westphal
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
>> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors
>>
>>
>>
>> I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying in
>> the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake olive. I
>> was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret, just
>> straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a
>> red/orange color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. I
>> have compared this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  on
>> thiss colored hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done
>> by someone who is color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying
>> or is this bad color job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any
>> input at all. This has really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles.
>> Joyce
>>
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Re: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[Joyce M Westphal]

Thanks for your reply.  I will no longer buy any hackle I can't hold in my
hand and see with my own eyes.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 8:25 AM, J Balmer  wrote:

> I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the past
> (& the fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the occasional
> swap) I only buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I truly trust.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> *From:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Joyce M Westphal
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors
>
>
>
> I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying in
> the UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake olive. I
> was amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret, just
> straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a
> red/orange color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. I
> have compared this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  on
> thiss colored hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done
> by someone who is color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying
> or is this bad color job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any
> input at all. This has really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles.
> Joyce
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RE: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

[J Balmer]

I can’t answer that question, but because of a couple issues in the past (& the 
fact that I only tie for me, two or three friends & the occasional swap) I only 
buy what I can hold in my hand or from people I truly trust.

 

J

 

From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joyce M Westphal
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 8:14 AM
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Subject: [VFB] re: Whiting hackle bad colors

 

I just got an order of Whiting rooster saddles from Lakeland Flytying in the 
UK>  These were to be black/claret dyed, fiery brown and lake olive. I was 
amazed at how bad the colors were. The black claret has no claret, just 
straight purple on the black. The fiery brown has no brown, rather a red/orange 
color, and the lake olive is yellow gold, no green in the mix. I have compared 
this hackle color with the same hackle colors that I  had  on thiss colored 
hackle from Whiting before, This dye job must have been done by someone who is 
color blind.  I am wondering, does Whiting do the dying or is this bad color 
job done by Lakeland flytying? I would appreciate any input at all. This has 
really put me off on Whiting dyed rooster saddles. Joyce

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