Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
Don, I agree with you. * I started out with a cheap chinese clamp jaw vice, graduated to a thompson ultra, and then to a renzetti traveler with the screw type jaws, which has been modified to a cam. Drilled and tapped it myself to lock the rotary shaft as needed, and added tube fly head, accessories such as the hackle holder and hackle gauge, as well as the ever present waste basket below. * Started out with my moms sewing scissors. Have now graduated to 5 pairs of Dr. Slick scissors, and a pair of Anvil finger loop offset scissors. * Started out with a close pin for a hackle plier. Now have several types of hackle pliers lying around. * Started out with an a upholstry needle for a bodkin. Now have a nice one by thompson, doesn't roll around when I need it. * Started out using my hands for a bobbin, and whip finished by hand. Now have 6 or so bobbins, and several whip finishers. Also have a set of hitch tools. * Lord knows how many other tools I have in my bag and on my desk-hair stackers, cauterizer, several dubbing loop tools, blender, wire brush tool, tweezers, etc., etc. Damn, I picked up a bunch of stuff over 30 years LOL Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 8:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Bob, Let'em learn like I did- no vise, tools, tying supplies, or instruction. Give them some road-kill parts- feathers and furs, and some photos of finished flies with the basic sequences. Might sound like I being facetious, but in actually, they'll always appreciate for the rest of their tying days having the right materials and tools once they get them. I know this won't happen, but it would do them good and teach them how important dexterity is. Beginning tiers today take for granted the incredible array of materials, tools, and training available, and I think the lack of all of that to start would enhance the appreciation once the good stuff in incorporated. From Thompson A vices and Chinese necks to Renzetti's and Whiting super-saddles- everything has come so far. DonO Will be signing off for another week starting tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [VFB] Help needed. Hey folks I am thinking about starting up some Beginners Fly Tying Classes with my local Community Education program. Does anyone know where I can rent, borrow or buy cheaply vises and tools for such an endeavor. I was thinking max of 8-10 people per scheduled class. -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
Eric, I quit using a whip finisher about 25 years ago, Doing a hand whip finish is quicker. When doing commercial tying, every second you save is a bonus. Started out tying off with half hitches then learned how to whip finish by hand. That was over 60 years ago. When I got back into tying again in 1988 I found the whip finisher. I found that I liked using my hand better than the tool so I stayed with it. My first vise was a home made vise, then I went to a Thompson B. Now I own about 20 vises and only use two or three of them. I have a small Dyna King that I use while traveling to our monthly tying sessions. A Norlander for tying Bugger type flies and a larger Dyna King for show tying. The others are just ones that I collected over the years. I am just posting this to see if we can get some life back on the list, I miss the posts. Tony From: Eric Worm flytyer...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Don, I agree with you. * I started out with a cheap chinese clamp jaw vice, graduated to a thompson ultra, and then to a renzetti traveler with the screw type jaws, which has been modified to a cam. Drilled and tapped it myself to lock the rotary shaft as needed, and added tube fly head, accessories such as the hackle holder and hackle gauge, as well as the ever present waste basket below. * Started out with my moms sewing scissors. Have now graduated to 5 pairs of Dr. Slick scissors, and a pair of Anvil finger loop offset scissors. * Started out with a close pin for a hackle plier. Now have several types of hackle pliers lying around. * Started out with an a upholstry needle for a bodkin. Now have a nice one by thompson, doesn't roll around when I need it. * Started out using my hands for a bobbin, and whip finished by hand. Now have 6 or so bobbins, and several whip finishers. Also have a set of hitch tools. * Lord knows how many other tools I have in my bag and on my desk-hair stackers, cauterizer, several dubbing loop tools, blender, wire brush tool, tweezers, etc., etc. Damn, I picked up a bunch of stuff over 30 years LOL Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 8:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Bob, Let'em learn like I did- no vise, tools, tying supplies, or instruction. Give them some road-kill parts- feathers and furs, and some photos of finished flies with the basic sequences. Might sound like I being facetious, but in actually, they'll always appreciate for the rest of their tying days having the right materials and tools once they get them. I know this won't happen, but it would do them good and teach them how important dexterity is. Beginning tiers today take for granted the incredible array of materials, tools, and training available, and I think the lack of all of that to start would enhance the appreciation once the good stuff in incorporated. From Thompson A vices and Chinese necks to Renzetti's and Whiting super-saddles- everything has come so far. DonO Will be signing off for another week starting tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [VFB] Help needed. Hey folks I am thinking about starting up some Beginners Fly Tying Classes with my local Community Education program. Does anyone know where I can rent, borrow or buy cheaply vises and tools for such an endeavor. I was thinking max of 8-10 people per scheduled class. -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr
Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
Somehow similar story here. But later I started to whip by hand, use some flee market sissor and a hatpin as dubing needle. So, only 2 or 3 tools on the bench, makes life easier. The remaining stuff is in a box. Some how downgrade process G Ahh stop: Dubbing wirl for some pattern. Rene On 12/21/2011 06:27 PM, Eric Worm wrote: Don, I agree with you. * I started out with a cheap chinese clamp jaw vice, graduated to a thompson ultra, and then to a renzetti traveler with the screw type jaws, which has been modified to a cam. Drilled and tapped it myself to lock the rotary shaft as needed, and added tube fly head, accessories such as the hackle holder and hackle gauge, as well as the ever present waste basket below. * Started out with my moms sewing scissors. Have now graduated to 5 pairs of Dr. Slick scissors, and a pair of Anvil finger loop offset scissors. * Started out with a close pin for a hackle plier. Now have several types of hackle pliers lying around. * Started out with an a upholstry needle for a bodkin. Now have a nice one by thompson, doesn't roll around when I need it. * Started out using my hands for a bobbin, and whip finished by hand. Now have 6 or so bobbins, and several whip finishers. Also have a set of hitch tools. * Lord knows how many other tools I have in my bag and on my desk-hair stackers, cauterizer, several dubbing loop tools, blender, wire brush tool, tweezers, etc., etc. Damn, I picked up a bunch of stuff over 30 years LOL *Eric Worm* *Reed City, MI 49677* ** *And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms* *From:* Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tue, December 20, 2011 8:42:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Bob, Let'em learn like I did- no vise, tools, tying supplies, or instruction. Give them some road-kill parts- feathers and furs, and some photos of finished flies with the basic sequences. Might sound like I being facetious, but in actually, they'll always appreciate for the rest of their tying days having the right materials and tools once they get them. I know this won't happen, but it would do them good and teach them how important dexterity is. Beginning tiers today take for granted the incredible array of materials, tools, and training available, and I think the lack of all of that to start would enhance the appreciation once the good stuff in incorporated. From Thompson A vices and Chinese necks to Renzetti's and Whiting super-saddles- everything has come so far. DonO Will be signing off for another week starting tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com mailto:rmor...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [VFB] Help needed. Hey folks I am thinking about starting up some Beginners Fly Tying Classes with my local Community Education program. Does anyone know where I can rent, borrow or buy cheaply vises and tools for such an endeavor. I was thinking max of 8-10 people per scheduled class. -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com http://www.linesend.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr
Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) I am still amazed by people that can whip finish by hand quickly, with a great not at the end. I miss seeing the posts and posting as well... Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms From: Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, December 21, 2011 1:15:08 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Eric, I quit using a whip finisher about 25 years ago, Doing a hand whip finish is quicker. When doing commercial tying, every second you save is a bonus. Started out tying off with half hitches then learned how to whip finish by hand. That was over 60 years ago. When I got back into tying again in 1988 I found the whip finisher. I found that I liked using my hand better than the tool so I stayed with it. My first vise was a home made vise, then I went to a Thompson B. Now I own about 20 vises and only use two or three of them. I have a small Dyna King that I use while traveling to our monthly tying sessions. A Norlander for tying Bugger type flies and a larger Dyna King for show tying. The others are just ones that I collected over the years. I am just posting this to see if we can get some life back on the list, I miss the posts. Tony From: Eric Worm flytyer...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Don, I agree with you. * I started out with a cheap chinese clamp jaw vice, graduated to a thompson ultra, and then to a renzetti traveler with the screw type jaws, which has been modified to a cam. Drilled and tapped it myself to lock the rotary shaft as needed, and added tube fly head, accessories such as the hackle holder and hackle gauge, as well as the ever present waste basket below. * Started out with my moms sewing scissors. Have now graduated to 5 pairs of Dr. Slick scissors, and a pair of Anvil finger loop offset scissors. * Started out with a close pin for a hackle plier. Now have several types of hackle pliers lying around. * Started out with an a upholstry needle for a bodkin. Now have a nice one by thompson, doesn't roll around when I need it. * Started out using my hands for a bobbin, and whip finished by hand. Now have 6 or so bobbins, and several whip finishers. Also have a set of hitch tools. * Lord knows how many other tools I have in my bag and on my desk-hair stackers, cauterizer, several dubbing loop tools, blender, wire brush tool, tweezers, etc., etc. Damn, I picked up a bunch of stuff over 30 years LOL Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 8:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Bob, Let'em learn like I did- no vise, tools, tying supplies, or instruction. Give them some road-kill parts- feathers and furs, and some photos of finished flies with the basic sequences. Might sound like I being facetious, but in actually, they'll always appreciate for the rest of their tying days having the right materials and tools once they get them. I know this won't happen, but it would do them good and teach them how important dexterity is. Beginning tiers today take for granted the incredible array of materials, tools, and training available, and I think the lack of all of that to start would enhance the appreciation once the good stuff in incorporated. From Thompson A vices and Chinese necks to Renzetti's and Whiting super-saddles- everything has come so far. DonO Will be signing off for another week starting tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [VFB] Help needed. Hey folks I am thinking about starting up some Beginners Fly Tying Classes with my local Community Education program. Does anyone know where I can rent, borrow or buy cheaply vises and tools for such an endeavor. I
WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) snip Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 Eric, It's a shame you're a 6 hour drive from here. I'll be tying at a fly show at the IN State Fairground on Jan. 7th. I could have you doing a reliable whip finish in 5 minutes. Well, no more than 6 or 7, anyway. I will admit, however, I STILL use the Matarelli tool on midges and other small flies. Just a matter of preference. But maybe it's just as well you live so far away. Just think about it a minute. Having a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. :-P Al -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classesHaving a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. ROTFL! Good thing Buggs is no longer around... He wouldn't have passed that one up for anything. My trip was postponed today. First, the truck heater blower switch quit. And then the storm we were trying to beat moved in. Hope we can still make it out tomorrow. There's a sunny day at the other end of the drive. DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
It's all related to finger size. Long slender fingers = easy by hand. Fat stubby fingers like mine = Tuff to whip finish by hand. Hate those Matarelli tools. Too much slippage. JIMMY D Allan Fish wrote: I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) snip Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 Eric, It's a shame you're a 6 hour drive from here. I'll be tying at a fly show at the IN State Fairground on Jan. 7th. I could have you doing a reliable whip finish in 5 minutes. Well, no more than 6 or 7, anyway. I will admit, however, I STILL use the Matarelli tool on midges and other small flies. Just a matter of preference. But maybe it's just as well you live so far away. Just think about it a minute. Having a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. :-P Al -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
Been tying for 35 years and still haven't figured out how to use a Griffin whip finisher. Materelli for smaller flies and presentation finishes, hand whip for larger flies. Jack Austin On 12/21/2011 2:21 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: It's all related to finger size. Long slender fingers = easy by hand. Fat stubby fingers like mine = Tuff to whip finish by hand. Hate those Matarelli tools. Too much slippage. JIMMY D Allan Fish wrote: I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) snip *Eric Worm* *Reed City, MI 49677* Eric, It's a shame you're a 6 hour drive from here. I'll be tying at a fly show at the IN State Fairground on Jan. 7th. I could have you doing a reliable whip finish in 5 minutes. Well, no more than 6 or 7, anyway. I will admit, however, I STILL use the Matarelli tool on midges and other small flies. Just a matter of preference. But maybe it's just as well you live so far away. Just think about it a minute. Having a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. :-P Al -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired,http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html *º*** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
all this whipfinish talk...once the Christmas and New Years are in the books, i gotta review my knots and stuff!!! Tom in Vermont On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.netwrote: ** Been tying for 35 years and still haven't figured out how to use a Griffin whip finisher. Materelli for smaller flies and presentation finishes, hand whip for larger flies. Jack Austin On 12/21/2011 2:21 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: It's all related to finger size. Long slender fingers = easy by hand. Fat stubby fingers like mine = Tuff to whip finish by hand. Hate those Matarelli tools. Too much slippage. JIMMY D Allan Fish wrote: I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) snip *Eric Worm* *Reed City, MI 49677* Eric, It's a shame you're a 6 hour drive from here. I'll be tying at a fly show at the IN State Fairground on Jan. 7th. I could have you doing a reliable whip finish in 5 minutes. Well, no more than 6 or 7, anyway. I will admit, however, I STILL use the Matarelli tool on midges and other small flies. Just a matter of preference. But maybe it's just as well you live so far away. Just think about it a minute. Having a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. :-P Al -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- *I never met a true angler who is not by nature at least a somewhat hopeful person.* * Charles Gauvin* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes- Griffin
Jack, I use Griffin feathers, but not a Griffin whip finisher... DonO - Original Message - From: Jack Lehman To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:26 PM Subject: Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Been tying for 35 years and still haven't figured out how to use a Griffin whip finisher. Materelli for smaller flies and presentation finishes, hand whip for larger flies. Jack Austin On 12/21/2011 2:21 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: It's all related to finger size. Long slender fingers = easy by hand. Fat stubby fingers like mine = Tuff to whip finish by hand. Hate those Matarelli tools. Too much slippage. JIMMY D Allan Fish wrote: I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) snip Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 Eric, It's a shame you're a 6 hour drive from here. I'll be tying at a fly show at the IN State Fairground on Jan. 7th. I could have you doing a reliable whip finish in 5 minutes. Well, no more than 6 or 7, anyway. I will admit, however, I STILL use the Matarelli tool on midges and other small flies. Just a matter of preference. But maybe it's just as well you live so far away. Just think about it a minute. Having a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. :-P Al -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.comGriffon.jpg
Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
I have nothing against using a whip finisher. We all have different traits, that is why we all have out choice of women. If you have a problem doing it by hand then by all means do it the way it is best for yourself. Because I do it by hand does not mean all have to do it that way. Maybe we can get a tread going on why we whip finish like we do. Tony From: Eric Worm flytyer...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) I am still amazed by people that can whip finish by hand quickly, with a great not at the end. I miss seeing the posts and posting as well... Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms From: Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, December 21, 2011 1:15:08 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Eric, I quit using a whip finisher about 25 years ago, Doing a hand whip finish is quicker. When doing commercial tying, every second you save is a bonus. Started out tying off with half hitches then learned how to whip finish by hand. That was over 60 years ago. When I got back into tying again in 1988 I found the whip finisher. I found that I liked using my hand better than the tool so I stayed with it. My first vise was a home made vise, then I went to a Thompson B. Now I own about 20 vises and only use two or three of them. I have a small Dyna King that I use while traveling to our monthly tying sessions. A Norlander for tying Bugger type flies and a larger Dyna King for show tying. The others are just ones that I collected over the years. I am just posting this to see if we can get some life back on the list, I miss the posts. Tony From: Eric Worm flytyer...@yahoo.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Don, I agree with you. * I started out with a cheap chinese clamp jaw vice, graduated to a thompson ultra, and then to a renzetti traveler with the screw type jaws, which has been modified to a cam. Drilled and tapped it myself to lock the rotary shaft as needed, and added tube fly head, accessories such as the hackle holder and hackle gauge, as well as the ever present waste basket below. * Started out with my moms sewing scissors. Have now graduated to 5 pairs of Dr. Slick scissors, and a pair of Anvil finger loop offset scissors. * Started out with a close pin for a hackle plier. Now have several types of hackle pliers lying around. * Started out with an a upholstry needle for a bodkin. Now have a nice one by thompson, doesn't roll around when I need it. * Started out using my hands for a bobbin, and whip finished by hand. Now have 6 or so bobbins, and several whip finishers. Also have a set of hitch tools. * Lord knows how many other tools I have in my bag and on my desk-hair stackers, cauterizer, several dubbing loop tools, blender, wire brush tool, tweezers, etc., etc. Damn, I picked up a bunch of stuff over 30 years LOL Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven. -Steve Grooms From: Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 8:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Bob, Let'em learn like I did- no vise, tools, tying supplies, or instruction. Give them some road-kill parts- feathers and furs, and some photos of finished flies with the basic sequences. Might sound like I being facetious, but in actually, they'll always appreciate for the rest of their tying days having the right materials and tools once they get them. I know this won't happen, but it would do them good and teach them how important dexterity is. Beginning tiers today take for granted the incredible array of materials, tools, and training available, and I think the lack of all
Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
I never did figure how to use it either though I have seen it used. Have no intention on learning how to use it now. I give credit to those that know how to use it. Tony From: Jack Lehman jklepo...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:26 PM Subject: Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Been tying for 35 years and still haven't figured out how to use a Griffin whip finisher. Materelli for smaller flies and presentation finishes, hand whip for larger flies. Jack Austin On 12/21/2011 2:21 PM, Jimmy D. Moore wrote: It's all related to finger size. Long slender fingers = easy by hand. Fat stubby fingers like mine = Tuff to whip finish by hand. Hate those Matarelli tools. Too much slippage. JIMMY D Allan Fish wrote: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) snip Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 Eric, It's a shame you're a 6 hour drive from here. I'll be tying at a fly show at the IN State Fairground on Jan. 7th. I could have you doing a reliable whip finish in 5 minutes. Well, no more than 6 or 7, anyway. I will admit, however, I STILL use the Matarelli tool on midges and other small flies. Just a matter of preference. But maybe it's just as well you live so far away. Just think about it a minute. Having a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. :-P Al -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- º * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish Game Magazine, VFB FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * º *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
Eric, I have heard that so many times or I just can't do a whip finish by hand. I have them doing it by hand in a few minuets. I will have to admit, I am pretty good at teaching it. Now this may sound as a brag but it is not at all. Those that know me can attest to that. Tony From: Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:05 PM Subject: WHip Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes span id=misspell-2 class=markWHip/span Finish - was Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) snip Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 Eric, It's a shame you're a 6 hour drive from here. I'll be tying at a fly show at the IN State Fairground on Jan. 7th. I could have you doing a reliable whip finish in 5 minutes. Well, no more than 6 or 7, anyway. I will admit, however, I STILL use the Matarelli tool on midges and other small flies. Just a matter of preference. But maybe it's just as well you live so far away. Just think about it a minute. Having a Worm and a Fish together would definitely generate too many snarky comments. :-P Al -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes
Bob, Let'em learn like I did- no vise, tools, tying supplies, or instruction. Give them some road-kill parts- feathers and furs, and some photos of finished flies with the basic sequences. Might sound like I being facetious, but in actually, they'll always appreciate for the rest of their tying days having the right materials and tools once they get them. I know this won't happen, but it would do them good and teach them how important dexterity is. Beginning tiers today take for granted the incredible array of materials, tools, and training available, and I think the lack of all of that to start would enhance the appreciation once the good stuff in incorporated. From Thompson A vices and Chinese necks to Renzetti's and Whiting super-saddles- everything has come so far. DonO Will be signing off for another week starting tomorrow. - Original Message - From: Robert Morger rmor...@gmail.com To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [VFB] Help needed. Hey folks I am thinking about starting up some Beginners Fly Tying Classes with my local Community Education program. Does anyone know where I can rent, borrow or buy cheaply vises and tools for such an endeavor. I was thinking max of 8-10 people per scheduled class. -- Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After they have exhausted all other possibilities. --Winston Churchill Robert Morger Central Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
