I have nothing against using a whip finisher. We all have different traits, that is why we all have out choice of women. If you have a problem doing it by hand then by all means do it the way it is best for yourself. Because I do it by hand does not mean all have to do it that way. Maybe we can get a tread going on why we whip finish like we do. Tony
________________________________ From: Eric Worm <flytyer...@yahoo.com> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes I could never consistently get a good whip finish by hand, so I definately enjoy that crutch :) I am still amazed by people that can whip finish by hand quickly, with a great not at the end. I miss seeing the posts and posting as well... Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 "And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven." -Steve Grooms ________________________________ From: Anthony Spezio <bambot...@yahoo.com> To: "vfb-mail@googlegroups.com" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, December 21, 2011 1:15:08 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Eric, I quit using a whip finisher about 25 years ago, Doing a hand whip finish is quicker. When doing commercial tying, every second you save is a bonus. Started out tying off with half hitches then learned how to whip finish by hand. That was over 60 years ago. When I got back into tying again in 1988 I found the whip finisher. I found that I liked using my hand better than the tool so I stayed with it. My first vise was a home made vise, then I went to a Thompson B. Now I own about 20 vises and only use two or three of them. I have a small Dyna King that I use while traveling to our monthly tying sessions. A Norlander for tying Bugger type flies and a larger Dyna King for show tying. The others are just ones that I collected over the years. I am just posting this to see if we can get some life back on the list, I miss the posts. Tony ________________________________ From: Eric Worm <flytyer...@yahoo.com> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Don, I agree with you. * I started out with a cheap chinese clamp jaw vice, graduated to a thompson ultra, and then to a renzetti traveler with the screw type jaws, which has been modified to a cam. Drilled and tapped it myself to lock the rotary shaft as needed, and added tube fly head, accessories such as the hackle holder and hackle gauge, as well as the ever present waste basket below. * Started out with my moms sewing scissors. Have now graduated to 5 pairs of Dr. Slick scissors, and a pair of Anvil finger loop offset scissors. * Started out with a close pin for a hackle plier. Now have several types of hackle pliers lying around. * Started out with an a upholstry needle for a bodkin. Now have a nice one by thompson, doesn't roll around when I need it. * Started out using my hands for a bobbin, and whip finished by hand. Now have 6 or so bobbins, and several whip finishers. Also have a set of hitch tools. * Lord knows how many other tools I have in my bag and on my desk-hair stackers, cauterizer, several dubbing loop tools, blender, wire brush tool, tweezers, etc., etc. Damn, I picked up a bunch of stuff over 30 years LOL Eric Worm Reed City, MI 49677 "And when it all goes well, when your dog does the difficult and does it with style, what you get isn't a bagged bird but the honor of sharing a moment of penultimate drama starring the dog you love and the bird you love. That is a taste of heaven, friends, and it's why the dog man hunts. And frankly, most of us kick through one hell of a lot of weeds between glimpses of Heaven." -Steve Grooms ________________________________ From: Don Ordes <f...@tribcsp.com> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 8:42:22 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Help needed. Fly-tying classes Bob, Let'em learn like I did- no vise, tools, tying supplies, or instruction. Give them some road-kill parts- feathers and furs, and some photos of finished flies with the basic sequences. Might sound like I being facetious, but in actually, they'll always appreciate for the rest of their tying days having the right materials and tools once they get them. I know this won't happen, but it would do them good and teach them how important dexterity is. Beginning tiers today take for granted the incredible array of materials, tools, and training available, and I think the lack of all of that to start would enhance the appreciation once the good stuff in incorporated. From Thompson A vices and Chinese necks to Renzetti's and Whiting super-saddles- everything has come so far. DonO Will be signing off for another week starting tomorrow. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Morger" <rmor...@gmail.com> To: <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: [VFB] Help needed. > Hey folks I am thinking about starting up some Beginners Fly Tying > Classes with my local Community Education program. Does anyone know > where I can rent, borrow or buy cheaply vises and tools for such an > endeavor. I was thinking max of 8-10 people per scheduled class. > > > -- " Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing - After > they have exhausted all other possibilities. 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