Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread Reuven Segal

Wasn't mine!!
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Sorry forgot to attach picture
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Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread phxflytyer
Brian:

It is tied with Vernielle. The one you photo you attached has a metal bead. 
I have only recently seen it tied this way. It is usually tied without one.
In order to tie one you must take a cigarette lighter and singe both ends of 
the Vernielle to taper the ends.

This pattern was developed for the San Juan River in New Mexico, USA.
It is used by many fly fishers in Arizona in Lee’s Ferry, which is the tail 
water from Lake Powell.
I have also heard of it being used in other places here.

Does the term” San Juan Shuffle” mean anything to you.


It is a way of stirring up the bottom of the San Juan River by shuffling your 
feet, there by stirring up some food sources .
The rainbows can be very large and just swim around your feet and nudge you 
making you look down at them and you get startled and shuffle .
Many fishermen do this as a general routine to stir up activity. The water is 
so clear and shallow that you can see many fish in the river.

If you have any other questions I will be happy to help.

Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for 
being in the country illegally ...you might live in a country founded by 
geniuses but run by idiots.



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Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread Alan Di Somma
It should be. The only problem making it illegal is the when the fish bunk into 
you legs, you do it out of reflex.

I know because I just fished there in Sept.
The fish are very big and just swim around your legs.

By the way, one of the guys I was fishing with was using a 4 wt. rod that was 
extremely slow. It looked like a noodle.
He hooked into a good one that I saw was at least 25-28.
He was fighting it for a while until it decided he had enough of the and headed 
down river. Well you should have seen him running down after it. Several 
minutes later he came back up to where I was fishing with a rather dejected 
look on his face. I said to him that just hooking one of those big fish should 
be a thrill.


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Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



 On Jan 11, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 I thought the Sam Juan Shuffle was illegal. I hear it is here in Arkansas.
 Tony
 
 
 On Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:52 AM, phxflyt...@cox.net 
 phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:
 Brian:
  
 It is tied with Vernielle. The one you photo you attached has a metal bead.
 I have only recently seen it tied this way. It is usually tied without one.
 In order to tie one you must take a cigarette lighter and singe both ends of 
 the Vernielle to taper the ends.
  
 This pattern was developed for the San Juan River in New Mexico, USA.
 It is used by many fly fishers in Arizona in Lee’s Ferry, which is the tail 
 water from Lake Powell.
 I have also heard of it being used in other places here.
  
 Does the term” San Juan Shuffle” mean anything to you.
  
  
 It is a way of stirring up the bottom of the San Juan River by shuffling your 
 feet, there by stirring up some food sources .
 The rainbows can be very large and just swim around your feet and nudge you 
 making you look down at them and you get startled and shuffle .
 Many fishermen do this as a general routine to stir up activity. The water is 
 so clear and shallow that you can see many fish in the river.
  
 If you have any other questions I will be happy to help.
  
 Thank You,
 Alan Di Somma
 Phoenix, AZ.
 
 If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for 
 being in the country illegally ...you might live in a country founded by 
 geniuses but run by idiots.
 
  
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Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread Anthony Spezio
I guess if you get caught here in Arkansas that is when it is illegal. 
As for big fish on a 4 wt. I have one of the first blanks made by Global Dorber 
to feel like bamboo. It is a Graphite rod made from Ultra Weave cloth. It is an 
experimental blank and it is a bit soft. A few years ago when I was fishing 
about every day I fished Crooked Creek a lot for Smallmouths. This one season, 
was Carp season for some reason.
I was not fishing for them. I hooked seven Carp that season but never landed a 
one. My fishing partner managed to grab one just ahead of the tail but could 
not hold on to it. All except one was hooked on a Chili Pepper. One that was 
hooked on a sz 12 fly that was tied on a Scud Hook, straightened out the hook. 
The others broke my 5X tippet. Like the guy you mentioned, I went down the 
creek trying to get it to where I could land it. Yes it was a thrill. Over the 
years, I have hooked into other Carp and all have broken off.
Tony



On Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:42 AM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:
  
It should be. The only problem making it illegal is the when the fish bunk into 
you legs, you do it out of reflex.

I know because I just fished there in Sept.
The fish are very big and just swim around your legs.

By the way, one of the guys I was fishing with was using a 4 wt. rod that was 
extremely slow. It looked like a noodle.
He hooked into a good one that I saw was at least 25-28.
He was fighting it for a while until it decided he had enough of the and headed 
down river. Well you should have seen him running down after it. Several 
minutes later he came back up to where I was fishing with a rather dejected 
look on his face. I said to him that just hooking one of those big fish should 
be a thrill.


Sent from my iPad


Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.



On Jan 11, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:


I thought the Sam Juan Shuffle was illegal. I hear it is here in Arkansas.
Tony



On Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:52 AM, phxflyt...@cox.net 
phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:
  
Brian: 

It is tied with Vernielle. The one you photo you attached has a metal bead.  
I have only recently seen it tied this way. It is usually tied without 
one. 
In order to tie one you must take a cigarette lighter and singe both ends 
of the Vernielle to taper the ends. 

This pattern was developed for the San Juan River in New Mexico, USA. 
It is used by many fly fishers in Arizona in Lee’s Ferry, which is the tail 
water from Lake Powell. 
I have also heard of it being used in other places here. 

Does the term” San Juan Shuffle” mean anything to you. 


It is a way of stirring up the bottom of the San Juan River by shuffling 
your feet, there by stirring up some food sources . 
The rainbows can be very large and just swim around your feet and nudge 
you making you look down at them and you get startled and shuffle . 
Many fishermen do this as a general routine to stir up activity. The water 
is so clear and shallow that you can see many fish in the river. 

If you have any other questions I will be happy to help. 

Thank 
You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

If you can get arrested for hunting 
or fishing without a license, but not for being in the country illegally ...you 
might live in a country founded by geniuses but run by idiots.

 

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Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread brian.burgess7
Alan

Never heard of the shuffle but have heard of people doing it here in England to 
stir up coarse fish, don’t think it’s illegal here except perhaps in matches 
but thanks for the info.

I am not too bad but will be starting chemo again on Wednesday so fingers 
crossed.

Birdie  

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Brian:

It is tied with Vernielle. The one you photo you attached has a metal bead. 
I have only recently seen it tied this way. It is usually tied without one.
In order to tie one you must take a cigarette lighter and singe both ends of 
the Vernielle to taper the ends.

This pattern was developed for the San Juan River in New Mexico, USA.
It is used by many fly fishers in Arizona in Lee’s Ferry, which is the tail 
water from Lake Powell.
I have also heard of it being used in other places here.

Does the term” San Juan Shuffle” mean anything to you.


It is a way of stirring up the bottom of the San Juan River by shuffling your 
feet, there by stirring up some food sources .
The rainbows can be very large and just swim around your feet and nudge you 
making you look down at them and you get startled and shuffle .
Many fishermen do this as a general routine to stir up activity. The water is 
so clear and shallow that you can see many fish in the river.

If you have any other questions I will be happy to help.

Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not for 
being in the country illegally ...you might live in a country founded by 
geniuses but run by idiots.



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Sorry forgot to attach picture

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RE: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread J Balmer
Well, it uses the chenille one would use for a San Juan worm  it's tied
similarly, except for the bead. Usually see them either tan or red, but not
both, so it should work regardless.

J

 

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Sorry forgot to attach picture

 

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RE: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread J Balmer
We used to call our annual trips to Taneycomo our trout kicking festival
because the bigger rainbow will bump your feet if you don't move for a
while. I actually tripped over one once, had to empty my waders.

 

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It should be. The only problem making it illegal is the when the fish bunk
into you legs, you do it out of reflex.

 

I know because I just fished there in Sept.

The fish are very big and just swim around your legs.

 

By the way, one of the guys I was fishing with was using a 4 wt. rod that
was extremely slow. It looked like a noodle.

He hooked into a good one that I saw was at least 25-28.

He was fighting it for a while until it decided he had enough of the and
headed down river. Well you should have seen him running down after it.
Several minutes later he came back up to where I was fishing with a rather
dejected look on his face. I said to him that just hooking one of those big
fish should be a thrill.

 

Sent from my iPad

 

Thank You,

Alan Di Somma

Phoenix, AZ.

 

Some mistakes are just too much fun to make only once.

 

 


On Jan 11, 2014, at 7:21 AM, Anthony Spezio bambot...@yahoo.com wrote:

I thought the Sam Juan Shuffle was illegal. I hear it is here in Arkansas.

Tony

 

On Saturday, January 11, 2014 7:52 AM, phxflyt...@cox.net
phxflyt...@cox.net wrote:

Brian:

 

It is tied with Vernielle. The one you photo you attached has a metal bead. 

I have only recently seen it tied this way. It is usually tied without one.

In order to tie one you must take a cigarette lighter and singe both ends of
the Vernielle to taper the ends.

 

This pattern was developed for the San Juan River in New Mexico, USA.

It is used by many fly fishers in Arizona in Lee's Ferry, which is the tail
water from Lake Powell.

I have also heard of it being used in other places here.

 

Does the term San Juan Shuffle mean anything to you.

 

 

It is a way of stirring up the bottom of the San Juan River by shuffling
your feet, there by stirring up some food sources .

The rainbows can be very large and just swim around your feet and nudge you
making you look down at them and you get startled and shuffle .

Many fishermen do this as a general routine to stir up activity. The water
is so clear and shallow that you can see many fish in the river.

 

If you have any other questions I will be happy to help.

 

Thank You,
Alan Di Somma
Phoenix, AZ.

If you can get arrested for hunting or fishing without a license, but not
for being in the country illegally ...you might live in a country founded by
geniuses but run by idiots.

 

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Sorry forgot to attach picture

 

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Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread Allan Fish

On 1/11/14, 11:42 AM, J Balmer wrote:
Usually see them either tan or red, but not both, so it should work 
regardless.



So maybe it's a Sand Juan Worm?

Or a San Tan Worm??


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Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread Rene Zillmann
I have seen on a couple of occasions, that instead of the bead a band of
slightly lighter color (red) is wrapped around the worm, imitating the
eggs which the worms carry
Rene


On 01/11/2014 05:42 PM, J Balmer wrote:

 Well, it uses the chenille one would use for a San Juan worm  it's
 tied similarly, except for the bead. Usually see them either tan or
 red, but not both, so it should work regardless.

 J

  

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 Sorry forgot to attach picture

  

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Re: [VFB] ooops

2014-01-11 Thread Alan Di Somma
There is actually a section here in Phoenix called San Tan Valley. So maybe it 
is named after them . 


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 On Jan 11, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Allan Fish afi...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 On 1/11/14, 11:42 AM, J Balmer wrote:
 Usually see them either tan or red, but not both, so it should work 
 regardless.
 
 
 So maybe it's a Sand Juan Worm?
 
 Or a San Tan Worm??
 
 
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