[videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.
Yes actually Jackson West did a story about it on NewTeeVee you can read that here: http://newteevee.com/2007/09/19/local-station-journalist-fight-over-youtube-clips/ and the video in question is there too. Bill Streeter --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, bordercollieaustralianshepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the video back up anywhere that we can see what all the fuss is about? Reads like fair use. The station has used his videos on their newscasts. Now that's Damning evidence. or Damn, that is evidence. What I did see that I do not recall in other cases is that YouTube's takedown notice where the video used to be, states the name of the party requesting the order: This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Multimedia KSDK, Inc Now I like that, very fair. No one asked me, but I think if YouTube started prosecuting I searched to find cases that were prosecuted under Section 512(f) http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#512 (f) Misrepresentations. - Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section - (1) that material or activity is infringing, or (2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification, shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys' fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner's authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it. snip I found mention of a couple but ... Is there one clearing house style site (maybe I missed it on Chilling Effect) where prosecutions are tracked or documented? Maybe a wiki? Seems like a lot of videos are getting removed from Youtube (and others) recently Results 1 - 100 of about 426,000 over the past month for videos removed from Youtube. (0.24 seconds) http://www.google.com/search?as_q=videos+removed+from +Youtubehl=ennum=100btnG=Google +Searchas_epq=as_oq=as_eq=lr=as_ft=ias_filetype=as_qdr=mas_nlo=as_nh i=as_occt=anyas_dt=ias_sitesearch=as_rights=safe=images Ok it is a results total, but there are references to thousands of videos removed at one time. Does anyone know if these take downs are tracked? The companies hired to find copyrighted materials for the movie and music biz should be publicized and contact information easy to locate. This would IMO ensure that due diligence is performed on their part. If a company is doing more harm than good their copyright take down requests should be scrutinized. In other words, if these companies have a consistent track record, the request should be assumed accurate. If a company is doing poorly say a 60% (might be too low) accuracy or less then peer review would seem a fair addition to the process before a takedown occurs. Thoughts from the group or did I just crush this thread? Curious mind wants to know. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter bill@ wrote: Well I agree that there are problems with the law, especially the DMCA, but really with this issue specifically it's not the law that is the problem, it's the way it's implemented and enforced. Fair Use is the law too, but it often gets pushed aside or over looked by over zelous enforcement of copyright. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Brook Hinton bhinton@ wrote: Important to note that this isn't so much a problem with YouTube as it is a problem with THE LAW, which blip and everyone else also has to deal with. Copyright infringement is your best entertainment value --- Negativland ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.
Interesting turn of events for folks who have critical things to say about media issues. One net result: Even if critical speech / thought abides by all terms of Fair Use, DCMA terms chill the critical voice. But only if the critical thinkers allow themselves to be chilled. Perhaps opening disclaimer cards that state precisely why the video is Fair Use would help. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.
KSDK-TV Can't take criticism?? And I think that this comes down to just that one issue. copyright agent by U.S. Mail to: Gannett Co., Inc., 7950 Jones Branch Drive, McLean, VA 22107, Attn: K. Jaske, or by email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MAIL: KSDK-TV 1000 Market Street St. Louis, Mo. 63101 PHONE: Main Switchboard: 314-421-5055 News: 314-444-5125 ksdk comments about a story or a question [EMAIL PROTECTED] To reach ksdk community relations department [EMAIL PROTECTED] Grabbed contact info from their site. Watched the video on West's site. Cannot tell from that clip what PubDef reported. Was there more to the clip or was his investigative reporting a written entry on his blog with the KSDK video provided as the proof? When I read this: He never approached us about the material at all. If he had excerpted something and edited all on his own and put together his own presentation about it, that would be one thing. But to simply pirate the video from our site and use it without our permission is copyright infringement. Mike Shipley, news director at KSDK my first thought, KSDK is embarrassed. After failing/deciding against/ignoring the follow up in part two, having PubDef point this out must have pushed a couple of buttons. Best I can tell without spending a lot of time on this. KSDK let their viewers down by NOT following through in the second part of a two part story. PubDef (Antonio French) pointed out the pimple (soon to be boil). KSDK rather then address the issue, uses DCMA to stop criticism. Have I boiled this down to the main bone of contention? Do you have or can you get links on KSDK's site to the material(s) produced by PubDef (Antonio French) and used in KSDK reports? Like all big business they have most of the legal sewn up. http://www.ksdk.com/includes/copyright.aspx Our (KSDK) Limited License to You and Your (give it all away) License to Us Love this It's not my understanding that fair use allows for you to take the piece in its entirety and reuse it for your own purposes, I can imagine, had PubDef edited the piece, the response would have been ... Hey that's not fair, you edited it in such a way it made us look bad ... Is there a coordinated effort afoot to ask KSDK to rescind their takedown request? Or is this just thrown out and call or write at will? What are you doing Bill? Fair Use I believe (I am not a lawyer) covers this criticism of KSDK-TV's coverage. If I were a lawyer, I think this might be just like taking candy from the KSDK-TV baby's mouth in a trial. What could be won? A couple of thousand, six figures, several million? If nothing else this might be fun to watch. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes actually Jackson West did a story about it on NewTeeVee you can read that here: http://newteevee.com/2007/09/19/local-station-journalist-fight-over-youtube-clips/ and the video in question is there too. Bill Streeter --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, bordercollieaustralianshepherd bordercollieaustralianshepherd@ wrote: Is the video back up anywhere that we can see what all the fuss is about? Reads like fair use. The station has used his videos on their newscasts. Now that's Damning evidence. or Damn, that is evidence. What I did see that I do not recall in other cases is that YouTube's takedown notice where the video used to be, states the name of the party requesting the order: This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Multimedia KSDK, Inc Now I like that, very fair. No one asked me, but I think if YouTube started prosecuting I searched to find cases that were prosecuted under Section 512(f) http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html#512 (f) Misrepresentations. - Any person who knowingly materially misrepresents under this section - (1) that material or activity is infringing, or (2) that material or activity was removed or disabled by mistake or misidentification, shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys' fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner's authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it. snip I found mention of a couple but ... Is there one clearing house style site (maybe I missed it on Chilling Effect) where prosecutions are tracked or documented? Maybe a wiki? Seems like a lot of videos are getting removed from Youtube (and others) recently Results 1 - 100 of about 426,000 over the past month for videos removed from Youtube. (0.24 seconds) http://www.google.com/search?as_q=videos+removed+from +Youtubehl=ennum=100btnG=Google
[videoblogging] Re: Thank you for participating in the FlashMeetings
Thanks for the update. Gotta check some of these out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been meaning to thank all of you who've participated in the FlashMeeting sessions these past couple of weeks. Since taking over the moderation responsibilities, we've had visits from a variety of videobloggers, including: John Leeke, sharing his homeworking (de)construction ( on view at http://historichomeworks.com ), Raymond Kristiansen ( http://dltq.org/ ) and Jeffrey Green giving us the intoxicating (okay, just intoxicated) patio view from Vlog Europe 2007 ( http://www.vlogeurope.com/ ), and a fellow named Dave (who is known as border here on the list) : http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/d1494e-9748 I've spoken with Jonathan Bloom about his Bob Roberts-ish mockumentary project Yo Dude ( which you can find a link to at http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com/ ), Debbie Science Babe Berebichez and I spoke about the Doppler Effect and the Doppler Shift and whether or not Babe was too risque (see http://sciencebabe.blogspot.com/ ): http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/8bc222-9781 Michael Verdi has flashed me on more than one occasion during the Fla -- Oh wait, I'm sorry! Verdi hasn't actually checked in yet..What's up with that? Rodli Pederson saved me from loneliness by checking in; we chatted about videoblogging in retirement (him) and media-making in unemployment (me). You can check out Rod's list of vlogs on his Blogger profile (at http://www.blogger.com/profile/16936012882979897959 ): http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/7c8ecc-9839 Then this past Tuesday, John Leeke stopped in again and showed off his portable live webcasting rig, the Faux Press ( http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/ ) told us about her work on the live webcast 35, and Dave (bordercollie here on the list) stopped by and barked at us (in a friendly way): http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/c174de-9929 So it's been a fun beginning to this new era of videoblogging FlashMeetings. Now that I'm getting the hang of it I'd like to introduce some more topic-focused sessions -- we'll still have separate, hang out FlashMeetings, of course, but I would like to have some meetings that are more specific in their intent. I don't mind Verdi flashing me from time to time, but I think it'd also be engaging to have other purposes in mind on occasion. (Oops...Sorry, Verdi, I don't know why I keep slandering you like that!) See you soon, Harold
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.
the real problem is that there is no law that protects or enforces fair use, it's simply a precedent put forth by the courts and unless it IS law, sooner or laterfair use will be a thing of the past.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting turn of events for folks who have critical things to say about media issues. One net result: Even if critical speech / thought abides by all terms of Fair Use, DCMA terms chill the critical voice. But only if the critical thinkers allow themselves to be chilled. Perhaps opening disclaimer cards that state precisely why the video is Fair Use would help. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Support for the Jena 6
Not sure how many people here know about this but you all may want to check out the link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight In an era of shock racism or entertaiment racism, it's hard to believe that this didn't get more attention because it's REAL racism, no if's and's or but's about it. Any vloggers live near where this is happening? If so care to let us know what's happening on the street?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.
I believe Fair Use *is* in fact in the copyright statute. The problems: it's a subjective call due to the weighing of factors necessary (and if those factors were replaced by a specific and stringent test it would probably NOT be a good thing - I doubt the transformative clause would survive, and it is absolutely key), and unless they can persuade the EFF or the ACLU you to help, the independent artist or media maker is up against corporate-funded take-no-prisoners legal teams when it comes to proviing their case. I wish the law could be more specific, but what I'd want to see would never pass: a law that frames the issues solely as fraud and piracy, of whether or not the use deprived the copyright owner of sales or rentals by making the public think the copy was the actual item or by explicitly pirating the work as is. Period. The point of copyright should be to prevent false claims of authorship and to prevent outright fraud, and that should be IT. That's what it was for to begin with. Crabbily pre-coffee, Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 35 series premire
Hi Jonny, I'm now watching the first episode of 35 on USTREAM.TV http://www.synchronis.tv/ The audio is 1,000% better than what I heard last night on the live stream. I can hear the dialog. Last night I couldn't make out hardly any of it. I wonder why? What was you experience in viewing the show live? --Steve On Sep 19, 2007, at 10:17 PM, jonny goldstein wrote: I liked it a bunch too. If ya missed the debut of 35 you can check it out, along with our jonny's par-tay post mortem at http://tinyurl.com/2t24ru next week: drew olanoff of http://scriggity.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.
I am on the same page. Unlike the trademark issue with The Hip Hop Violinist this is about Criticism (of a news report) and whether it is covered under Fair Use. Fair Use is Law. Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 And in english Fair use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Copyright_Act_of_1976#Fair_use Additionally, the fair use defense to copyright infringement was codified for the first time in section 107 of the 1976 Act. Fair use was not a novel proposition in 1976, however, as federal courts had been using a common law form of the doctrine since the 1840s (an English version of fair use appeared much earlier). The Act codified this common law doctrine with little modification. Under section 107, the fair use of a copyrighted work is not copyright infringement, even if such use technically violates section 106. While fair use explicitly applies to use of copyrighted work for CRITICISM (my emphiisis), news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research purposes, the defense is not limited to these areas. The Act gives four factors to be considered to determine whether a particular use is a fair use: 1. the purpose and character of the use (commercial or educational, transformative or reproductive); 2. the nature of the copyrighted work (fictional or factual, the degree of creativity); 3. the amount and substantiality of the portion of the original work used; and 4. the effect of the use upon the market (or potential market) for the original work.[4] The Act was later amended to extend the fair use defense to unpublished works. snip In case my questions were missed Is there one clearing house style site (maybe I missed it on Chilling Effect) where prosecutions are tracked or documented? Maybe a wiki? Seems like a lot of videos are getting removed from Youtube (and others) recently Results 1 - 100 of about 426,000 over the past month for videos removed from Youtube. (0.24 seconds) http://www.google.com/search?as_q=videos+removed+from+Youtubehl=ennum=100btn\ G=Google+Searchas_epq=as_oq=as_eq=lr=as_ft=ias_filetype=as_qdr=mas_nlo=\ as_nhi=as_occt=anyas_dt=ias_sitesearch=as_rights=safe=images Ok it is a results total, but there are references to thousands of videos removed at one time. Does anyone know if these take downs are tracked? The companies hired to find copyrighted materials for the movie and music biz should be publicized and contact information easy to locate. This would IMO ensure that due diligence is performed on their part. If a company is doing more harm than good their copyright take down requests should be scrutinized. In other words, if these companies have a consistent track record, the request should be assumed accurate. If a company is doing poorly say a 60% (might be too low) accuracy or less, then peer review would seem a fair addition to the process before a takedown occurs. Thoughts from the group or did I just crush this thread? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the real problem is that there is no law that protects or enforces fair use, it's simply a precedent put forth by the courts and unless it IS law, sooner or laterfair use will be a thing of the past.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Interesting turn of events for folks who have critical things to say about media issues. One net result: Even if critical speech / thought abides by all terms of Fair Use, DCMA terms chill the critical voice. But only if the critical thinkers allow themselves to be chilled. Perhaps opening disclaimer cards that state precisely why the video is Fair Use would help. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Hello Matt, I'm not the best at giving advice so I'm not sure what to say. But I did want to say I just checked out your Web site and wanted to say I enjoyed viewing the videos. What an excellent idea!!! Good luck on what seems will be one heck of an adventure. Terry Ann www.terryannonline.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
That happened to us at Green TV yet it actually helped us. Just keep at it! We are in large numbers so lets continue to support each other as all of you have done with us. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
considering the lead time for new shows, I would not say they stole it, since the host is a former Amazing Race contestent, this was probably in the works for a bitbut who knows? But people traving the country and recording has been done, Today, Good morning America, etc have all at one time or another done something like it... Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20- video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
You are so screwed. And you ain't gonna like it. Your idea is not unique. I have a friend that was doing world trips and videotaping them in the eighties. http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1994/vp940925/09230058.htm Now don't stop. I'll watch your vids before I do CBS's. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 35 series premire
NOT a Ustream thing - let me be clear about that :) There are lessons to be learned to be sure. Will speak to the lessons later - probably after we finish shooting. Glad to hear that the version with our good sound is up @ http://www.synchronis.tv/2007/09/19/episode-1/ though I hear some dropouts not in the original recording... Jan On 9/20/07, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My experience watching it live was, I think similar to yours, except I could make out some of the dialog. I was wearing headphones, so maybe that helped. Jan says the initial missing audio was a ustream thing. Probably a good idea to ping her to get her read on the audio thang. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jonny, I'm now watching the first episode of 35 on USTREAM.TV http://www.synchronis.tv/ The audio is 1,000% better than what I heard last night on the live stream. I can hear the dialog. Last night I couldn't make out hardly any of it. I wonder why? What was you experience in viewing the show live? --Steve On Sep 19, 2007, at 10:17 PM, jonny goldstein wrote: I liked it a bunch too. If ya missed the debut of 35 you can check it out, along with our jonny's par-tay post mortem at http://tinyurl.com/2t24ru next week: drew olanoff of http://scriggity.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Hey Matt, Couple of things: You can't own an idea so they couldn't have stolen yours. Also, I doubt its anything more than a coincidence. It looks like it's been developed by an outside production company and CBS bought it. I don't think they typically do those things on the order of weeks - it's more like many months. As to what to do about it, I'd say, just do your thing and do it in a way that makes it unique because it's not being done by a TV network. - Verdi On 9/20/07, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube suspends Vloggers account for Fair Use.
I stand corrected, but HOW that section and part of the copyright law is enforced is vague and open to the courts interpatation Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair Use is in the law, Sec. 107 of Title 17 of the US code. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: the real problem is that there is no law that protects or enforces fair use, it's simply a precedent put forth by the courts and unless it IS law, sooner or laterfair use will be a thing of the past.. Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jan McLaughlin jannie.jan@ wrote: Interesting turn of events for folks who have critical things to say about media issues. One net result: Even if critical speech / thought abides by all terms of Fair Use, DCMA terms chill the critical voice. But only if the critical thinkers allow themselves to be chilled. Perhaps opening disclaimer cards that state precisely why the video is Fair Use would help. Jan -- The Faux Press - better than real http://feeds.feedburner.com/WburgtvFallFilmFest - Fall Film Fest http://fauxpress.blogspot.com http://wburg.tv aim=janofsound air=862.571.5334 skype=janmclaughlin [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: 35 series premire
I bet there was some kind of fuckup in the chain of things, and they replaced the sound with Jan's originals for the archived post to the website. I know she records her work directly on her equipment (digital recorders with harddrives) -- so that would have given them a second chance to make it sound good. I'm proud of Jan and Brian for working such a crazy multicamera no- stopping project! Congratulations you two!! Jen On Sep 20, 2007, at 7:36 am, Steve Garfield wrote: Hi Jonny, I'm now watching the first episode of 35 on USTREAM.TV http://www.synchronis.tv/ The audio is 1,000% better than what I heard last night on the live stream. I can hear the dialog. Last night I couldn't make out hardly any of it. I wonder why? What was you experience in viewing the show live? --Steve On Sep 19, 2007, at 10:17 PM, jonny goldstein wrote: I liked it a bunch too. If ya missed the debut of 35 you can check it out, along with our jonny's par-tay post mortem at http://tinyurl.com/2t24ru next week: drew olanoff of http://scriggity.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Hey Matt. I'm the guy that told you when you were pitching this @ the videoblogger meetup @ Rocketboom studios that you needed to hit the streets and practice videoblogging every day so you'd have an idea IF it was feasible for you to take the show on the road. First of all, let's not forget that Ze Frank did Human Baton a lng time ago: http://www.geekentertainment.tv/2006/12/17/running-fool-is-the-human-baton/ That got way more press and hype than your videoblog did and was started way before, so if they're copying an idea, it's probably Frank's. Second, that's what happens when your concept requires sponsorship. You asked us at that meeting if we thought you could get sponsored and start your trip within three months. The only way you were going to have any chance of doing that would have been to tell EVERYBODY what your plan was, way before you had the ability to implement it yourself. This is why when people are pitching something in the MSM world, they can be your best friend and NOT tell you what they're pitching, because the first one out of the gate with the product gets the credit for the concept. On top of that, CBS obviously has the funds to 'cheat'. They can afford to pay people to take in their traveler. They can also use the clout that whomever hooks him up will be seen on CBS or an affiliate or website. People will help out just to be on local or national televison. So... Forget about competing with MSM in their own arena. :) Interestingly enough, Kfir just made a post about the same thing. Take the advice of the people who have suggested that you leverage your DIFFERENCES from the MSM approach as an independent videoblogger and do your trip anyway, with your own personal style. You might actually get lucky and people might be MORE receptive to your idea now that they can see something EXTREMELY SIMILAR (if not the exact same thing) playing out in front of their eyes, sanctioned by MSM. This isn't the music industry. You can't mail yourself a copy of your concept in a sealed envelope and take that to court to prove that you ame up with the idea before CBS did. I've cut pilots for reality shows that never saw the light of day. That doesn't mean that some production company that watched the pilot and passed on it isn't going to turn around and do their own version of the exact same concept. Good luck. -- Bill http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt
[videoblogging] Any developers interested in making a DIGG this Podcast FeedFlare?
I just thought I would put this out there in case there is a developer listening that might like to take this on. Feedburner has a Feedflare API that allows you to add little functions to your feed items. One of these items is Digg this, which submits that particular item to digg. Thats fine for news items, BUT Digg has this separate Podcast directory that picks up items off an RSS feed and automatically lists them as they become avaiable. You can Digg an entire feed (or Podcast) or you can digg individual items in the feed. Either way, as far as I can tell there is no Feedflare that allows you to Digg an item thats already listed in the Digg podcast directory. The Digg flare that I can find will only submit the item as a new news item. So not being a developer myself, and knowing that there are some on this list. I was wondering if maybe some of you might consider developing such a thing based on the Feedburner API. Here is the Feedburner feedflare developers page: http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/developers/feedflare I dunno maybe this isn't possible for some reason? If it is, I know a lot of people would find this most useful. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com www.billstreeter.net
Re: [videoblogging] CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
I think in Hollywood it's called borrowing and you are not the only one. Have you seen the promos for the new Fox show called Back to You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5T1glOtNc it looks a lot like Hayden Black's Goodnight Burbank. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:00 AM, mdanzico wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20- video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Back in the dot com bubble Guy Kawasaki was always banging entrepreneurs over the head to realize that if you have an idea, you can guarantee at least five other people have it too. Success is in the execution and I love that GreenTV says the coopetition has actually helped them. I would contact CBS and see if they want to turn theirs into a portal type of thing and bring in your show as a correspondent or support channel, and look for other independent producers to really make it a bigger deal for all. I think this is an unintended consequence of all of us being so well-connected via the internet - we really are closer to each other in thought than is physically apparent ot than was possible 10 years ago. The energy travels fast! Aloha, Rox On 9/20/07, bordercollieaustralianshepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are so screwed. And you ain't gonna like it. Your idea is not unique. I have a friend that was doing world trips and videotaping them in the eighties. http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1994/vp940925/09230058.htm Now don't stop. I'll watch your vids before I do CBS's. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian 808-384-5554 http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling http://www.beachwalks.tv http://www.barefeetshop.com http://www.barefeetstudios.com
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Bill - You are so right. It's so true. Ze Frank's human baton was definitely the original. Sometimes I forget that. I actually emailed him when I first was thinking about it and got some of his thoughts. I suppose I was talking about the fact that I felt the rules I set forth were copied to a T. It's so funny. I really don't want to do anything about it in terms of saying anything to press, but I suppose it does make me feel bitter toward CBS. Grrr. Still, the reason I ask if I should do anything about it is because frankly I really don't want to. I'd rather not get involved and continue on with my project. So, I think that's what I'm going to do. I just need to get the message out that corporate sponsorship is not necessary for this sort of thing. By the way, I have gone daily (at least for right now). The daily videos are turning out to not be as big of a challenge as I expected. I am trying to create a video in each location I go to. But, we'll see how long that lasts. It's definitely hard work. :) Well, I hope you are well Bill. Thanks for the thoughts! Matt --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Matt. I'm the guy that told you when you were pitching this @ the videoblogger meetup @ Rocketboom studios that you needed to hit the streets and practice videoblogging every day so you'd have an idea IF it was feasible for you to take the show on the road. First of all, let's not forget that Ze Frank did Human Baton a lng time ago: http://www.geekentertainment.tv/2006/12/17/running-fool-is-the-human-baton/ That got way more press and hype than your videoblog did and was started way before, so if they're copying an idea, it's probably Frank's. Second, that's what happens when your concept requires sponsorship. You asked us at that meeting if we thought you could get sponsored and start your trip within three months. The only way you were going to have any chance of doing that would have been to tell EVERYBODY what your plan was, way before you had the ability to implement it yourself. This is why when people are pitching something in the MSM world, they can be your best friend and NOT tell you what they're pitching, because the first one out of the gate with the product gets the credit for the concept. On top of that, CBS obviously has the funds to 'cheat'. They can afford to pay people to take in their traveler. They can also use the clout that whomever hooks him up will be seen on CBS or an affiliate or website. People will help out just to be on local or national televison. So... Forget about competing with MSM in their own arena. :) Interestingly enough, Kfir just made a post about the same thing. Take the advice of the people who have suggested that you leverage your DIFFERENCES from the MSM approach as an independent videoblogger and do your trip anyway, with your own personal style. You might actually get lucky and people might be MORE receptive to your idea now that they can see something EXTREMELY SIMILAR (if not the exact same thing) playing out in front of their eyes, sanctioned by MSM. This isn't the music industry. You can't mail yourself a copy of your concept in a sealed envelope and take that to court to prove that you ame up with the idea before CBS did. I've cut pilots for reality shows that never saw the light of day. That doesn't mean that some production company that watched the pilot and passed on it isn't going to turn around and do their own version of the exact same concept. Good luck. -- Bill http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico mdanzico@ wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Tim - True. I love the concept of borrowing and sharing, I just get a little ruffled when I am lending ideas to big media. Still, when it comes down to it, it's not originally my idea either. I first thought of it because of the Luke Johnson Phone Experiment and Ze Frank's Human baton. Best, Matt P.S. Frenchmaidtv.com is a really funny and I'm sure effective concept. How and when did you think of it? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in Hollywood it's called borrowing and you are not the only one. Have you seen the promos for the new Fox show called Back to You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5T1glOtNc it looks a lot like Hayden Black's Goodnight Burbank. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:00 AM, mdanzico wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20- video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Hello, Yeah... Verdi is correct... you can't steal an idea. Stealing requires you to (literally) take away, that thing they are stealing, away from the person who owns it. It's not possible to (literally) take away an idea from someone. You still have it in your head. You could say they copied you though. (Although copying is a form of learning... and isn't a bad thing IMO. Despite how much it might suck for you.) Although... unfortunately... the USA does let people have monopolies on ideas. (And has made actual thought crimes.) USA Patent law and the DMCA now each give this. But even in these cases... it is NOT stealing. It is called infringing. See ya On 9/20/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Matt, Couple of things: You can't own an idea so they couldn't have stolen yours. Also, I doubt its anything more than a coincidence. It looks like it's been developed by an outside production company and CBS bought it. I don't think they typically do those things on the order of weeks - it's more like many months. As to what to do about it, I'd say, just do your thing and do it in a way that makes it unique because it's not being done by a TV network. - Verdi On 9/20/07, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt -- http://michaelverdi.com http://freevlog.org http://nscape.tv -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. http://ChangeLog.ca/ Vlog Razor... Vlogging News http://vlograzor.com/
[videoblogging] [Reminder] 35 Live @ Thu Sep 20 17:00 - 23:00 (Jan McLaughlin)
Jan McLaughlin, this is a reminder for Title: 35 Live Time: Thu Sep 20 17:00 - 23:00 (Eastern Time) Calendar: Jan McLaughlin You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEWeid=YzZlMjM5bnAwbW8wNDl2ZWg1cmw1cTMwbmtfMjAwNzA5MjBUMjEwMDAwWiBqYW5uaWUuamFuQG0tok=MjAjamFubmllLmphbkBnbWFpbC5jb20xODYyMDQwNWY1NGI0YmE5OGYwODVlZGVjNTNmOTkxYjhkZDE3NWIyctz=America%2FNew_Yorkhl=en You can also view your calendar at http://www.google.com/calendar/ You are receiving this email at the account [EMAIL PROTECTED] because you are subscribed for reminders on calendar Jan McLaughlin. To stop receiving these notifications, please log in to http://www.google.com/calendar/ and change your notification settings for this calendar. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Support for the Jena 6
Good buddies of mine have a news vlog called Collateral: Unfiltered News and their piece on the Jena 6 has over a million views on YouTube so far! It's great, check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuoiZnr4jLY Mark* http://thepovertyjetset.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how many people here know about this but you all may want to check out the link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight In an era of shock racism or entertaiment racism, it's hard to believe that this didn't get more attention because it's REAL racism, no if's and's or but's about it. Any vloggers live near where this is happening? If so care to let us know what's happening on the street?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Thank you for participating in the FlashMeetings
Great. Come and join a live FlashMeeting soon! Jan (Faux Press) was telling me about your project ( http://operator11.com ) during our last session, and I'm checking that out right now. Harold On 9/20/07, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the update. Gotta check some of these out. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Harold Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been meaning to thank all of you who've participated in the FlashMeeting sessions these past couple of weeks. Since taking over the moderation responsibilities, we've had visits from a variety of videobloggers, including: John Leeke, sharing his homeworking (de)construction ( on view at http://historichomeworks.com ), Raymond Kristiansen ( http://dltq.org/ ) and Jeffrey Green giving us the intoxicating (okay, just intoxicated) patio view from Vlog Europe 2007 ( http://www.vlogeurope.com/ ), and a fellow named Dave (who is known as border here on the list) : http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/d1494e-9748 I've spoken with Jonathan Bloom about his Bob Roberts-ish mockumentary project Yo Dude ( which you can find a link to at http://thenameiwantedwastaken.com/ ), Debbie Science Babe Berebichez and I spoke about the Doppler Effect and the Doppler Shift and whether or not Babe was too risque (see http://sciencebabe.blogspot.com/ ): http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/8bc222-9781 Michael Verdi has flashed me on more than one occasion during the Fla -- Oh wait, I'm sorry! Verdi hasn't actually checked in yet..What's up with that? Rodli Pederson saved me from loneliness by checking in; we chatted about videoblogging in retirement (him) and media-making in unemployment (me). You can check out Rod's list of vlogs on his Blogger profile (at http://www.blogger.com/profile/16936012882979897959 ): http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/7c8ecc-9839 Then this past Tuesday, John Leeke stopped in again and showed off his portable live webcasting rig, the Faux Press ( http://fauxpress.blogspot.com/ ) told us about her work on the live webcast 35, and Dave (bordercollie here on the list) stopped by and barked at us (in a friendly way): http://flashmeeting.open.ac.uk/fm/c174de-9929 So it's been a fun beginning to this new era of videoblogging FlashMeetings. Now that I'm getting the hang of it I'd like to introduce some more topic-focused sessions -- we'll still have separate, hang out FlashMeetings, of course, but I would like to have some meetings that are more specific in their intent. I don't mind Verdi flashing me from time to time, but I think it'd also be engaging to have other purposes in mind on occasion. (Oops...Sorry, Verdi, I don't know why I keep slandering you like that!) See you soon, Harold [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
And that news director kid is borrowing heavily from Chris Farley. On Sep 20, 2007, at 1:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you seen the promos for the new Fox show called Back to You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5T1glOtNc it looks a lot like Hayden Black's Goodnight Burbank. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Support for the Jena 6
This is a perfect example of the long tail in effect yet the silence from this group is deafening. It's funny how people talk about technology changing this and empowering the voiceless. I can remember folks saying the same thing in this group. Yet its just hollow words to market another dotcom product or service it seems. (Getting off my soapbox.) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how many people here know about this but you all may want to check out the link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight In an era of shock racism or entertaiment racism, it's hard to believe that this didn't get more attention because it's REAL racism, no if's and's or but's about it. Any vloggers live near where this is happening? If so care to let us know what's happening on the street?
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Support for the Jena 6
I don't think this email list is marketing anything. ? This list - while we do at times go off on long and fervent tangents - isn't necessarily a recap of all the topics being discussed out there in the vlog-o-sphere. The youtube video is (as youtube videos often are) a good example of internet video giving power to the people, and just because this list isnt a flutter about a given topic doesn't mean that nobody is out there using video to get that message out. After all people can be champions of giving a voice to the voiceless even if they themselves don't speak up on every single issue worthy of a voice in every medium possible. Especially now that youtube is so big ... I don't know that is fair to try and judge if video is getting the word out about some given topic based on the actual discussion of that topic in this list - or even by videos published by the (now comparatively small number of) producers that do in fact frequent this list. Also ... I've been on a low information diet lately so I've fallen behind on the discussions here, but it seems to me alot of the stuff we used to talk about here has moved to places like twitter. Anyway ... I'm not saying the topic isn't deserving of alot of attention ... but I'm not sure content discussions in this list is a fair representation of how much attention its getting within the online video community ... and thus shouldn't condemn this list to be categorized as marketing fluff. (? for what exactly?) - Dave On 9/20/07, Its A Mystery and So Im I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a perfect example of the long tail in effect yet the silence from this group is deafening. It's funny how people talk about technology changing this and empowering the voiceless. I can remember folks saying the same thing in this group. Yet its just hollow words to market another dotcom product or service it seems. (Getting off my soapbox.) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure how many people here know about this but you all may want to check out the link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight In an era of shock racism or entertaiment racism, it's hard to believe that this didn't get more attention because it's REAL racism, no if's and's or but's about it. Any vloggers live near where this is happening? If so care to let us know what's happening on the street? Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
Back in the dot com bubble Guy Kawasaki was always banging entrepreneurs over the head to realize that if you have an idea, you can guarantee at least five other people have it too. Success is in the execution and I love that GreenTV says the coopetition has actually helped them. Another VC saying is: if you're the only one that has the idea...it's probably not a good one. As aeveryone is suggesting...the CBS show will probably help you. If it generates any news coverage...your project will be mentioned right there as well. and you can do it much more intimately and raw than CBS can. they are doing it as entertainment. you're probably doing it more for the experience. thats what i want to see. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Twitter: http://tinyurl.com/2aodyc RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] State of the art political videoblogging?
Hmm... I have talked to my library a time or two about creating issue casts - you know, go bug all the local mayorial candidates, ask them to talk about one issue for 1-2 minutes, then schmush them all together into one video, and put it up on our library's website. Cool way to be fair politically, lets our library be a community gathering place for commentary, etc.. but we've just talked about it so far! My opinion: Most people cant easily verbalize how they feel about political issues. we've all grown up being apathetic or feeling helpless about politiics. This is why there arent more innovative political videos. You have to have a clear vision to make it real in video. Or you need to have grounding in the issues. other than being on some email lists, how many people go to weekly political meetings...or volunteer for issues? if you do, then this would be where I would start. Document how people are dealing with things. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Twitter: http://tinyurl.com/2aodyc RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Documentary Genre
This is the first time I post here, though I've been reading for months. I've really been enjoying the discussion lately. welcome to the group. always good to have new voices. http://www.nancygarcia.org/blog/ I'm doing some research on Internet Television, specifically the Documentary genre. I'd like to ask all of you: Who are your favorite internet documentary television creators? What is it about their programming and/or design that you enjoy most? Any other information you'd like to share about the Documentary genre on the Web, feel free to chime in! I'm not sure what internet documentary television is. its difficult to bring the TV terms to the web. I find that videobloggers are often doing documentaries by defaultthough they would doubtfully call themselves though. Check out Susan who makes videos of her family: http://www.kitykity.com/vlog/ or Erin: http://nealey.blogspot.com/ It's not Ken Burns, but they are totally documentaries. Ashley made http://sustainableroute.com/ over a six month trip around the US showing sustainable projects. Others will probably have better examples. I'm interested to see what others are doing. Jay -- http://jaydedman.com 917 371 6790 Twitter: http://tinyurl.com/2aodyc RSS: http://tinyurl.com/yqgdt9
Re: [videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
The origins of French Maid TV is a story best told over beers. A story that I will be more than happy to share next week at the Podcast Academy http://podcastacademy.com/ or the Podcast and New Media Expo http://newmediaexpo.com/. If you can't make it contact me via direct email with your phone number and I'll give you the whole story in ten seconds. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How Tos by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:49 AM, mdanzico wrote: Tim - True. I love the concept of borrowing and sharing, I just get a little ruffled when I am lending ideas to big media. Still, when it comes down to it, it's not originally my idea either. I first thought of it because of the Luke Johnson Phone Experiment and Ze Frank's Human baton. Best, Matt P.S. Frenchmaidtv.com is a really funny and I'm sure effective concept. How and when did you think of it? --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think in Hollywood it's called borrowing and you are not the only one. Have you seen the promos for the new Fox show called Back to You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5T1glOtNc it looks a lot like Hayden Black's Goodnight Burbank. Tim Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV The Viral Video of How To's by French Maids http://frenchmaidtv.com Subscribe for FREE at: http://www.frenchmaidtv.com/itunes MY BLOG: http://1timstreet.blogspot.com/ On Sep 20, 2007, at 9:00 AM, mdanzico wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america- in-20- video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Support for the Jena 6
I don't know, when the Feldman thing happened you heard a lot of voices, but to me that conversation.I just think Feldman did what he did to get attention and he got it, but this Jena 6 thingit's real...real and sad I encourge the people on this list to read up on this, it will make you sick Heath http://batmangeek.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Its A Mystery and So Im I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a perfect example of the long tail in effect yet the silence from this group is deafening. It's funny how people talk about technology changing this and empowering the voiceless. I can remember folks saying the same thing in this group. Yet its just hollow words to market another dotcom product or service it seems. (Getting off my soapbox.) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Not sure how many people here know about this but you all may want to check out the link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight In an era of shock racism or entertaiment racism, it's hard to believe that this didn't get more attention because it's REAL racism, no if's and's or but's about it. Any vloggers live near where this is happening? If so care to let us know what's happening on the street?
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
I say keep on truckin man and I'll see you in a few weeks :) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, mdanzico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I began my videoblog on September 15th of this month. The blog is based around people driving, housing, and feeding me for an 80 day trip around the country. 4 days into the project, I received an email from a friend in this group telling me to immediately check CBS's www.aroundtheworldforfree.com. I checked the site, and although it's a little strange and hard for me to believe, it seems that CBS has in fact stolen my idea for my show. The show is established under pretty much the same pretenses as my own, with the host of the show even being picked up and driven by a volunteer on September 18th in NYC - 3 days after I did exactly the same thing. Now, I'm not really sure what to do. My show is at www.aroundamericaproject.com, and I spread a request video around in July which is where I believe they got the idea - http://www.aroundamericaproject.com/2007/07/16/around-america-in-20-video-request/ The only thing I can think of is to contact other news networks and out CBS, but is this something that I really want to do? Do I even really care that much? I would be extremely happy if others followed my lead and created a similar project, but not under the backing of a media corporation. That's the exact opposite of the point of my show - we don't need media corporations any longer. We are now the media, we possess the power, etc... and we can rely on each other. Any thoughts on what I can do? Should I attempt to get the word out to the blogosphere? Is this something I should even pursue? And, what are the chances that it is just a coincidence? Thanks so much, Matt
[videoblogging] Re: CBS stole my videoblog? Help.
In agreement with Verdi, although you can not own an idea, yours is original and as unique as you can make it. Here are two suggetions. First, You could do your films and keep them delayed, so that if someone is copying you, then by withdrawing your productions, they are on standby. As mentioned approach another network, if you want, show them the first few films, then let them know you have the rest available ready for uploading, but need an agreement. Again that is if you want to go down that road. Second, in order to make your films different, look at other productions, pick out what you don't like and complain about them. That is what I do, not complaining as such but pointing out the flaws of other arguments. As everyone stated, keep going cos you are doing something very educational, interesting and different. Nicolas Gromik Nicolas Tohoku University Sendai, Japan fax=81-22-795-7647 http://www.filmedworld.com/page.php?3 http://nag-productions.blip.tv/? http://sendai-city-tourism-tohoku-university.blip.tv/ http://eflresources.wikispaces.com/ Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html
[videoblogging] 35 second episode---down and dirty! (Spoilers inside)
35 wasted no time in this episode getting into sex (more like rape actually), sneakiness, and murky parentage in the second episode. Whoa! So much for the slow build... Episode had much better sound than last night. They tried to do a chat with actors and audience at the end, but thus far not working... Still, an impressive, if disturbing, 2nd episode.
[videoblogging] Re: Support for the Jena 6
I've just posted a number of videos from folks who are telling the story from their own perspective. That is what we all have been collectively working toward. We now have the ability to compare and contrast what is being said about a particular situation. I don't need Jesse, Al or anybody else standing and speaking when I can watch and listen from the grassroots level. This is tool cool. Did you feel it, the shift? This is real life, not an so called comedy routine. Folks are doing what the technology allows them to do, express an opinion about a current event that impacts a segment of the American population. Ding! Ding! Ding! Freedom of Speech, Expression and Right of Assembly. More videos will be posted and not all of them are going to be ripped off of NBC, CNN and other news sources. Does it warrant discussion from the group? Yes, if you want. As a matter of fact there was a lady yesterday asking about documentary videos. Here you go. vlogging documentation. Do we have to talk about it? No. And that is fine too. The (re)Evolution will not be televised, it will be vlogged. Gena http//outonthestoop.blogspot.com
[videoblogging] Re: 35 second episode---down and dirty! (Spoilers inside)
Yes, it was certainly disturbing -- that one scene. Still, I'll tune in to see what comes (no pun intended) next... I was surprised when they attempted the chat session afterwards. I had already surfed away, but then I came back to the website a few minutes later for some reason and saw the message about them establishing a chat session with the audience. I don't recall seeing a mention of that on their website. Great job, Synchronis! Harold --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, jonny goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 35 wasted no time in this episode getting into sex (more like rape actually), sneakiness, and murky parentage in the second episode. Whoa! So much for the slow build... Episode had much better sound than last night. They tried to do a chat with actors and audience at the end, but thus far not working... Still, an impressive, if disturbing, 2nd episode.
[videoblogging] Video Double-Enders and Tape Syncs
Hello, Videobloggers! Do you produce an interview-style videoblog? Would you like to interview people in remote locations that are too far for you to travel to? Would you like to help out your fellow videobloggers by recording the remote ends of interviews for them? Next week at the Podcast and New Media Expo, The Conversations Network will launch a new free service that I hope will interest you. It's an on-line system to match producers looking for an audio or video tape sync with skilled stringers who can handle the remote recording. We designed this service for both professionals and semi-pros, and I think we've succeeded in bridging that gap. On one hand, we want to encourage a very large number of worldwide bloggers and citizen journalists to collaborate with one another. On the other hand, we want to help pros with proven skills and who must be paid for their work. PodCorps.org is for both groups. A number of your fellow videobloggers have helped us develop this application: testing, evaluating, and providing valuable feedback. I'd like to thank them all, but I leave it to them to identify themselves if they wish, and to express their opinions. The official announcement date is next Friday, September 28, but the doors are open now, and I encourage you to stop by, check it out, hopefully register, and send me feedback either here on the list or privately. You'll find specific information here: http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/podcorps/tapesync You can register here: http://www.conversationsnetwork.org/podcorps Thanks again for everyone's help. ...doug -- Doug Kaye, Executive Director The Conversations Network www.conversationsnetwork.org
[videoblogging] Re: Support for the Jena 6
We don't give equal weight to injustice. We pick and chose what we feel is important. I watched a gentlemen on the news and he said in short ,it's shouldn't be looked at as a black or white thing it but an American thing. We should be all up in arms. Anytime one American citixen liberty is at risk of being taken away we all loss. Democracy becomes a running joke and we look like fools pretending like its antthing else but that. If they come after one segment of the population do you think they will stop there. It's like the rolling snowball down a hill. It's history repeating itself like in Bill Murray movie Groundhog Day. Things have reverted back to semi pre-civil rights attitudes and conditions. This only shows you if you don't fight for something and claim your own atomy, others will make the choice for you and not always for your benefit. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this email list is marketing anything. ? This list - while we do at times go off on long and fervent tangents - isn't necessarily a recap of all the topics being discussed out there in the vlog-o-sphere. The youtube video is (as youtube videos often are) a good example of internet video giving power to the people, and just because this list isnt a flutter about a given topic doesn't mean that nobody is out there using video to get that message out. After all people can be champions of giving a voice to the voiceless even if they themselves don't speak up on every single issue worthy of a voice in every medium possible. Especially now that youtube is so big ... I don't know that is fair to try and judge if video is getting the word out about some given topic based on the actual discussion of that topic in this list - or even by videos published by the (now comparatively small number of) producers that do in fact frequent this list. Also ... I've been on a low information diet lately so I've fallen behind on the discussions here, but it seems to me alot of the stuff we used to talk about here has moved to places like twitter. Anyway ... I'm not saying the topic isn't deserving of alot of attention ... but I'm not sure content discussions in this list is a fair representation of how much attention its getting within the online video community ... and thus shouldn't condemn this list to be categorized as marketing fluff. (? for what exactly?) - Dave On 9/20/07, Its A Mystery and So Im I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a perfect example of the long tail in effect yet the silence from this group is deafening. It's funny how people talk about technology changing this and empowering the voiceless. I can remember folks saying the same thing in this group. Yet its just hollow words to market another dotcom product or service it seems. (Getting off my soapbox.) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Not sure how many people here know about this but you all may want to check out the link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight In an era of shock racism or entertaiment racism, it's hard to believe that this didn't get more attention because it's REAL racism, no if's and's or but's about it. Any vloggers live near where this is happening? If so care to let us know what's happening on the street? Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Support for the Jena 6
This groups talks on issues from time to time and it can get crazy. It's cool. It make for interesting reading. I just find it funny how folks pick and chose what deserving of attention. I would think people would be proud the net has come into play in giving voice to the voiceless. The mass media would have easily buried like countless of this nature but the people weren't having it. The news bureaus got flooded with calls and emails. Pointblank the people made this news story grow legs. Not the so-called liberal media who would otherwise relegate the story one time mention if any. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Meade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think this email list is marketing anything. ? This list - while we do at times go off on long and fervent tangents - isn't necessarily a recap of all the topics being discussed out there in the vlog-o-sphere. The youtube video is (as youtube videos often are) a good example of internet video giving power to the people, and just because this list isnt a flutter about a given topic doesn't mean that nobody is out there using video to get that message out. After all people can be champions of giving a voice to the voiceless even if they themselves don't speak up on every single issue worthy of a voice in every medium possible. Especially now that youtube is so big ... I don't know that is fair to try and judge if video is getting the word out about some given topic based on the actual discussion of that topic in this list - or even by videos published by the (now comparatively small number of) producers that do in fact frequent this list. Also ... I've been on a low information diet lately so I've fallen behind on the discussions here, but it seems to me alot of the stuff we used to talk about here has moved to places like twitter. Anyway ... I'm not saying the topic isn't deserving of alot of attention ... but I'm not sure content discussions in this list is a fair representation of how much attention its getting within the online video community ... and thus shouldn't condemn this list to be categorized as marketing fluff. (? for what exactly?) - Dave On 9/20/07, Its A Mystery and So Im I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a perfect example of the long tail in effect yet the silence from this group is deafening. It's funny how people talk about technology changing this and empowering the voiceless. I can remember folks saying the same thing in this group. Yet its just hollow words to market another dotcom product or service it seems. (Getting off my soapbox.) --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath heathparks@ wrote: Not sure how many people here know about this but you all may want to check out the link here http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070920/ap_on_re_us/school_fight In an era of shock racism or entertaiment racism, it's hard to believe that this didn't get more attention because it's REAL racism, no if's and's or but's about it. Any vloggers live near where this is happening? If so care to let us know what's happening on the street? Yahoo! Groups Links -- http://www.DavidMeade.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
