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[videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting article from the online viewer perspective http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/editorial/16154786.htm So that's why no one is watchingI'm not consistant or compelling an old prediction stays true. In the 50s there were 3 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 60s there were 5 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 70s there were 21 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 80s there were 368 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 90s there were 2319 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 00s there are 1,283,381 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 10s there will be 17,281,217 channels to watch and nothing on. you are all new channels, remember to brand them. at least when there's nothing on you'll remember where you're watching it. there's nothing on, yet the number of average hours people spend watching a screen has increased steadily since 1920. what are they watching? something.
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I like the way you think Robert. But you missed two things. 1) You missed 57 channels and nothing on, so said bruce springstien 2) your model has a small problem. It can't continue on inifinitely. Doh! LOL But far from being broke is when there are as many channels as there are people... When everyone has a voice, wow, that'd be a crazy cool thing. Of course people could have more than one channel, but I'm going to ignore that possibility for now. The point is that the ineventuality is everyone will have a voice. A complete theoretical of course, impractical, but theoretically possible. Just like the prospect of world literacy. -Mike mmeiser.com/blog mefeedia.com On 12/10/06, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An interesting article from the online viewer perspective http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/editorial/16154786.htm So that's why no one is watchingI'm not consistant or compelling an old prediction stays true. In the 50s there were 3 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 60s there were 5 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 70s there were 21 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 80s there were 368 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 90s there were 2319 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 00s there are 1,283,381 channels to watch and nothing on. In the 10s there will be 17,281,217 channels to watch and nothing on. you are all new channels, remember to brand them. at least when there's nothing on you'll remember where you're watching it. there's nothing on, yet the number of average hours people spend watching a screen has increased steadily since 1920. what are they watching? something. Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about and how many people you want to reach, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, David Tames david@ wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today provides the missing pieces, it fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical distribution medium. David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096 Yahoo! Groups Links -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
[videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media
I feel like some of the trends that have made new media appealing thusfar, particularly the sort of monitor as mirror effect I talked about in my response to Fred Graver http://focus.blip.tv/file/86145 where people can see themselves in the show might be hard for legacy media to embrace. OTOH, when you're making a play for the masses, how much does street cred or lack thereof in a very fringey industry matter? If we draw another parallel to film, one wonders...are we going to have fewer and fewer truly independent productions and see more Warner Independent style Internet TV programs? I realize that the studio system is good at funneling resources to and promoting talented people, but I think there's a real case for the amateurs here due to: A) sheer numbers that have not been duplicated before in any of the previous revolutions they describe B) the continuing death of distance that continues to grow niche markets. Thanks for posting this, I have been wondering in my head for a little while, What happens when what we're calling today 'New Media' isn't really new anymore? At the moment, places like Network2 http://network2.tv/ aren't carrying much that doesn't come from people outside a studio, but we will see how the pendulum swings. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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This may be a weird parallel to make, but here it is anyway. My father is a great fan of the history of the Church and the Middle Ages. That is to say he reads everything he can on the subject. What follows is mostly my understanding of history that's been funneled to me mostly second-hand through my father. So I may not be exactly correct on all points, but I believe the broad strokes to be accurate. If you're more knowledgeable on these subjects than I am please step in and correct me. During the Middle Ages literacy itself, and writing in particular, was essentially an ecclesiastical monopoly. This is to say that only men of the cloth knew how to read and write. This is why the great works of this age were generally written by scribes who also happened to be members of holy orders. This monopoly was in place for a number of reasons, but perhaps the most interesting is that it suited the status quo and the powers that were at the time -- the Church. Not to put too fine a point on it, but this monopoly allowed the Church to tell peasants that the Bible said just about anything that suited them. There was no way to verify their accounts. You can find parallels in the American south of 150 years ago, I suppose. Anyway, back to the point: At some point reading and writing -- literacy, broadly defined -- was democratized. Gutenberg invented the printing press. So on and so forth. As an observer at that time you could have taken the view that a major revolution (reformation?) was under way and that the world of letters would never be the same. You could have observed these developments and believed that the masses would read and write, that one day anyone could write a book and get published, that the Church and the royals would no longer have a monopoly on information. On the other hand, it would have been perfectly reasonable for an observer at that time to take the view that the masses would never take to letters the way the clergy had. It would have been perfectly reasonable to assume that the ecclesiastical monopoly -- backed up such as it was by everything from the power of the State to the incredibly moneyed and all-powerful Church -- would manage to keep its stranglehold on information. You would be forgiven for believing that the invention of the printing press would lead only to dramatic downsizing at the various monasteries that employed legions of monkish scribes. We all know where this story actually ends up. My particular favorite ending for the story is Thomas Paine's Common Sense (which I wrote about on the Fourth of July at http://blog.blip.tv/blog/2006/07/04/happy-independence-day/). I don't believe that Warner Independent will dominate this new medium. I believe that the general trend of history is clear, and that as access to the means of production expands that independent voices (within an ever-broadening base) overwhelmingly succeed. Remember that once upon a time the great publishing houses of Europe were independent voices themselves insomuch as they were not of the previously lettered establishment. Idealistically yours, Mike blip.tv -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of khyrosfinalcut Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:03 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media I feel like some of the trends that have made new media appealing thusfar, particularly the sort of monitor as mirror effect I talked about in my response to Fred Graver http://focus.blip.tv/file/86145 where people can see themselves in the show might be hard for legacy media to embrace. OTOH, when you're making a play for the masses, how much does street cred or lack thereof in a very fringey industry matter? If we draw another parallel to film, one wonders...are we going to have fewer and fewer truly independent productions and see more Warner Independent style Internet TV programs? I realize that the studio system is good at funneling resources to and promoting talented people, but I think there's a real case for the amateurs here due to: A) sheer numbers that have not been duplicated before in any of the previous revolutions they describe B) the continuing death of distance that continues to grow niche markets. Thanks for posting this, I have been wondering in my head for a little while, What happens when what we're calling today 'New Media' isn't really new anymore? At the moment, places like Network2 http://network2.tv/ aren't carrying much that doesn't come from people outside a studio, but we will see how the pendulum swings. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
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Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today provides the missing pieces, it fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical distribution medium. David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096
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At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about and how many people you want to reach, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Tames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today provides the missing pieces, it fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical distribution medium. David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096 Yahoo! Groups Links
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The comparison between the internet and the printing press is fascinating. I agree that there are some very interesting developments during the middle ages as the church began too lose its monopoly on scribing to the more democratized printing model that most definitely are applicable to today's situation in the world of internet video, but there is one startling difference. It was impossible to control the distribution of content in that time. There were no pipes, no tubes, and even the most ruthless and capable despot could not limit the distribution of the written word. Today on the other hand, with the lack of privacy and the breadcrumbs that are strewn about all over in our internet world, I think it can be clamped down on like never before. The move to limit our access to content in order to ensure the big guys ability to deliver their content is a major impediment to distribution and the trackability and lack of privacy make for a different situation from the rise of literacy and the transformation from an institutional scribing system to a more open printing system. I hope that makes sense... Thanks for the interesting reading and thoughts. Cheers, Ron On Dec 7, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Heath wrote: Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Tames [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today provides the missing pieces, it fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical distribution medium. David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I agree with that 100%, I am just curious what the tipping point isand it always goes back to what the individual is trying to accomplish, which for me changes daily.. ;) I just think it's interesting where we are at, and where we are going.can it be done? Can we really change things? I hope soI really do Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about and how many people you want to reach, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Tames david@ wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today provides the missing pieces, it fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical distribution medium. David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096 Yahoo! Groups Links
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well, you can : - make a difference - make a name - make a brand - make a difference it's nice when this is done in order. sull On 12/7/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that 100%, I am just curious what the tipping point isand it always goes back to what the individual is trying to accomplish, which for me changes daily.. ;) I just think it's interesting where we are at, and where we are going.can it be done? Can we really change things? I hope soI really do Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about and how many people you want to reach, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, David Tames david@ wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today provides the missing pieces, it fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical distribution medium. David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096 Yahoo! Groups Links -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com (otherly) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media
I guess that any 'we' really can change things, but not always in the way that was intended, unforseen consequences are inevitable. I think things have already changed, there are questions about quite how far it will go, how knows. I randomly switched on the TV here in the UK a few nights ago and after the main 10PM news bulletin on BBC One, there was a program about the internet, its evolution, and it got onto blogging, myspace, youtube, and that whole longtail thing. It was good, if a little bit arty/intellectual. One of the things they got most excited about was the wikipedia phenomenon. I think that if online videos of various sorts could do something colaborative on as impressive a scale as wikipedia has, that would be a very nice thing. It was pointed out that some of the languages what wikipedia is being written in, have never had an encyclopedia of any sort before! Now thats what I call progress, and the decentralised nature of wikipedia always floats my boat. Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that 100%, I am just curious what the tipping point isand it always goes back to what the individual is trying to accomplish, which for me changes daily.. ;) I just think it's interesting where we are at, and where we are going.can it be done? Can we really change things? I hope soI really do Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about and how many people you want to reach, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, David Tames david@ wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access
[videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media
Personaly I think you make a differance one person at a time, kinda like that whole pay it forward thing ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspto.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, you can : - make a difference - make a name - make a brand - make a difference it's nice when this is done in order. sull On 12/7/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that 100%, I am just curious what the tipping point isand it always goes back to what the individual is trying to accomplish, which for me changes daily.. ;) I just think it's interesting where we are at, and where we are going.can it be done? Can we really change things? I hope soI really do Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about and how many people you want to reach, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, David Tames david@ wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today provides the missing pieces, it fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical distribution medium. David. David Tames, Filmmaker Media Technologist http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096 Yahoo! Groups Links -- Sull http://vlogdir.com (a project) http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) http://interdigitate.com
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media
thats what i was gett'n at ;) On 12/7/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personaly I think you make a differance one person at a time, kinda like that whole pay it forward thing ;) Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspto.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, sull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, you can : - make a difference - make a name - make a brand - make a difference it's nice when this is done in order. sull On 12/7/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with that 100%, I am just curious what the tipping point isand it always goes back to what the individual is trying to accomplish, which for me changes daily.. ;) I just think it's interesting where we are at, and where we are going.can it be done? Can we really change things? I hope soI really do Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, Mike Hudack mike@ wrote: At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about and how many people you want to reach, no? -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.com videoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Heath Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the amateurs give way to big media Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or later the big guys take notice and they have money, time and talent. And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective and the average joe.how many average, everyday people who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy(who I love btw) but I wonder, what the cap for this medium is.how many people will want to watch just stuffpeople like to be entertained, bigger is better and so on..will that attitude change? Because if it doesn't It's an interesting thought..I know I don't have any answers, but what else is new.. Heath http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.comvideoblogging%40yahoogroups.comvideoblogging% 40yahoogroups.com, David Tames david@ wrote: Interesting article... I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief that trends and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is happening today and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's a significantly different thing going on today in the media and entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end users are driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp example of this. I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers film, video, and multimedia production in New England) for the Dec'06/ Jan'07 issue titled: Macro Trends in Media and Entertainment, which I subsequently updated: http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) What do you think of my premise? I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video sharing sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback from this group before I complete a new version of the article. Regardless of the fact that the large media players will claim a large percentage of the total media and entertainment activity on the internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a percentage, and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has been in the past through the hundred year history of cinema, television, radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and independent media will have much more significant access to an audience than it had before. This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been tracking since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder revolution would democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow filmmakers back then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the equation. You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and access to distribution. The internet today
