[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
2nd the motion for less talk more video. Solidarity, ~FluxRostrum VLOG~FLUX http://FluxRostrum.BlogSpot.com ~~~ Syndicate Flux http://feeds.feedburner.com/VLOGFLUX ~~~ http://GlassBeadCollective.org ~~~ Old School http://Fluxview.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:18 +1100 From: Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Maybe you should do a video about it? :-) Regards Richard -- ___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/ Powered By Outblaze Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
well, how about a video with talk?it's time for me to dust off an early effort on vlog definitions http://www.richardshow.com/2005/06/richard-defines-video-blog.html ... Richard (the shameless self promoter) ... p.s. The Richard Show, really isn't about me ... really ... RichardOn 12/18/05, ~ FluxRostrum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2nd the motion for less talk more video.Solidarity,~FluxRostrumVLOG~FLUXhttp://FluxRostrum.BlogSpot.com~~~Syndicate Flux http://feeds.feedburner.com/VLOGFLUX~~~http://GlassBeadCollective.org~~~Old Schoolhttp://Fluxview.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 11:07:18 +1100From: Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED]At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little...Maybe you should do a video about it? :-)Regards Richard--___ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.netPlay 100s of games for FREE! http://games.graffiti.net/Powered By Outblaze Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Richard http://www.richardshow.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. 'The Birth of a Nation' goes for 187 minutes. Just for the record. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the form of a duration around 90
minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
This is so wrong it's not funny.
The length criterion (not to mention the absurd narrative-biased three
act structure criterion) completely disregards almost the entire
avant-garde movement, many films of which are decidedly more cinematic
than the narrative films you see to think define cinema (see Brakhage,
Breer, Mekas, Deren, VanDerBeek, Fischinger, Richter, and so on). It
also disregards masterpieces like 'Les Vampires' (399 min), Tarr's
'Sátántangó' (450 min), Lanzmann's 'Shoah' (544 min), and Rivette's
'Out 1' (729 min). I can assure you that these are among the most
cinematic films of all time.
The three act structure criterion doesn't just disregard films from
the avant-garde, either, but narrative films with one act (short
films), two acts ('Sleuth'), four ('Shoah'), more ('Playtime'), and so
on, as well. Again, all incredibly cinematic films.
Your definition of cinematic form seems to me to speak only of your
very limited understanding of everything that cinema is and can be.
It's like saying that literature is defined by novels of approximately
four hundred pages in length, as opposed to by words, any number of
them, arranged to make meaning, or to create aesthetic effect, no
more, no less.
It's like saying that music is defined by four quarter time
compositions that run for approximately three or four minutes and have
lyrics, often which rhyme, as opposed to by sounds, arranged by tone,
timbre, quality, and so on, for any length of time, again for some
sort of aesthetic effect, pleasurable or intentionally otherwise.
It's like saying that visual art is defined by one type of paint, on
canvas, hung on a wall somewhere in France, as opposed to by shapes,
colours, textures, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You see where I'm going.
Cinema is not defined--not in any way, shape or form--by films with
ninety minute running times and three act (narrative) structures.
It is defined by moving images (occasionally accompanied by sounds)
existing (they don't even have to be arranged) in time. Cinema is
time-based images.
This post has nothing to do with videoblogging (it could, but I'm
tired and want to go to bed), but I'll stand up for cinema until my
bloody, no doubt premature death. All I can say is that if our
definitions of videoblogging are as restrictive and reductive as this
definition of cinema, then we're simply not the right people to be
developing it--in fact, I'd argue that we'd be hindering it far more
than we'd be helping it.
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[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Warning - do not step into the ring with Matt Clayfield
on matters of the cinema. You will get served.
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the form of a duration around 90
minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
This is so wrong it's not funny.
The length criterion (not to mention the absurd narrative-biased three
act structure criterion) completely disregards almost the entire
avant-garde movement, many films of which are decidedly more cinematic
than the narrative films you see to think define cinema (see Brakhage,
Breer, Mekas, Deren, VanDerBeek, Fischinger, Richter, and so on). It
also disregards masterpieces like 'Les Vampires' (399 min), Tarr's
'Sátántangó' (450 min), Lanzmann's 'Shoah' (544 min), and Rivette's
'Out 1' (729 min). I can assure you that these are among the most
cinematic films of all time.
The three act structure criterion doesn't just disregard films from
the avant-garde, either, but narrative films with one act (short
films), two acts ('Sleuth'), four ('Shoah'), more ('Playtime'), and so
on, as well. Again, all incredibly cinematic films.
Your definition of cinematic form seems to me to speak only of your
very limited understanding of everything that cinema is and can be.
It's like saying that literature is defined by novels of approximately
four hundred pages in length, as opposed to by words, any number of
them, arranged to make meaning, or to create aesthetic effect, no
more, no less.
It's like saying that music is defined by four quarter time
compositions that run for approximately three or four minutes and have
lyrics, often which rhyme, as opposed to by sounds, arranged by tone,
timbre, quality, and so on, for any length of time, again for some
sort of aesthetic effect, pleasurable or intentionally otherwise.
It's like saying that visual art is defined by one type of paint, on
canvas, hung on a wall somewhere in France, as opposed to by shapes,
colours, textures, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You see where I'm going.
Cinema is not defined--not in any way, shape or form--by films with
ninety minute running times and three act (narrative) structures.
It is defined by moving images (occasionally accompanied by sounds)
existing (they don't even have to be arranged) in time. Cinema is
time-based images.
This post has nothing to do with videoblogging (it could, but I'm
tired and want to go to bed), but I'll stand up for cinema until my
bloody, no doubt premature death. All I can say is that if our
definitions of videoblogging are as restrictive and reductive as this
definition of cinema, then we're simply not the right people to be
developing it--in fact, I'd argue that we'd be hindering it far more
than we'd be helping it.
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[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
It is more useful to have a model that applies somewhat than no model at all. -- Enric --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oxymoron alert! there is no such thing as a correct model otherwise it would not be a model all models are approximations someday even physicist's will realize this and stop looking for the right one once a model is stamped correct, all you have is dogma Enric wrote: That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. 'The Birth of a Nation' goes for 187 minutes. Just for the record. From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-5203272-5767925?v=glancen=130: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is the form of a duration around 90
minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form.
This is so wrong it's not funny.
The length criterion (not to mention the absurd narrative-biased three
act structure criterion) completely disregards almost the entire
avant-garde movement, many films of which are decidedly more cinematic
than the narrative films you see to think define cinema (see Brakhage,
Breer, Mekas, Deren, VanDerBeek, Fischinger, Richter, and so on). It
also disregards masterpieces like 'Les Vampires' (399 min), Tarr's
'Sátántangó' (450 min), Lanzmann's 'Shoah' (544 min), and Rivette's
'Out 1' (729 min). I can assure you that these are among the most
cinematic films of all time.
The three act structure criterion doesn't just disregard films from
the avant-garde, either, but narrative films with one act (short
films), two acts ('Sleuth'), four ('Shoah'), more ('Playtime'), and so
on, as well. Again, all incredibly cinematic films.
Your definition of cinematic form seems to me to speak only of your
very limited understanding of everything that cinema is and can be.
It's like saying that literature is defined by novels of approximately
four hundred pages in length, as opposed to by words, any number of
them, arranged to make meaning, or to create aesthetic effect, no
more, no less.
It's like saying that music is defined by four quarter time
compositions that run for approximately three or four minutes and have
lyrics, often which rhyme, as opposed to by sounds, arranged by tone,
timbre, quality, and so on, for any length of time, again for some
sort of aesthetic effect, pleasurable or intentionally otherwise.
It's like saying that visual art is defined by one type of paint, on
canvas, hung on a wall somewhere in France, as opposed to by shapes,
colours, textures, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You see where I'm going.
Cinema is not defined--not in any way, shape or form--by films with
ninety minute running times and three act (narrative) structures.
It is defined by moving images (occasionally accompanied by sounds)
existing (they don't even have to be arranged) in time. Cinema is
time-based images.
Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined.
But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defintion of
videoblogging. Just that it is more useful to have a workable
definition than none.
-- Enric
This post has nothing to do with videoblogging (it could, but I'm
tired and want to go to bed), but I'll stand up for cinema until my
bloody, no doubt premature death. All I can say is that if our
definitions of videoblogging are as restrictive and reductive as this
definition of cinema, then we're simply not the right people to be
developing it--in fact, I'd argue that we'd be hindering it far more
than we'd be helping it.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Enric wrote: It is more useful to have a model that applies somewhat than no model at all. -- Enric i can't say i agree with that enric i think vlogs are more like canvas... i looked up the definition of canvas a few times all the ones i found were pretty lame and they have no bearing on what i might do artistically canvas is important to me for what it supports and how it can be used, not for how it's defined i am constantly finding new interpretations and uses of canvas attempting to model what i can do with canvas just seems limiting however, if you want a good definition of videoblogging, then listen to jonny goldstein's recent interview with Douglass Rushkoff videoblogging is the opportunity missed by current tv LOL http://wearethemedia.com/2005/12/16/rushkoff-on-videoblogging/ markus -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/17/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand the need to strictly define videoblogging except to separate individually (or collectively) produced independent video from advertising trailers promoting a commercial product (movie trailers, etc.) The independence of unfettered personal expression is key to defining vlogging in my mind. And that is where it should stay, in your mind. Untested in peer review, not competing against other models, evolving slowly if at all. Disapearing should Randolfe not reach immortality. -- Enric There are videoblogs that do not rely on personal expression. MediaMatters. Crooks and Liars. ScienCentral. There are many genres of videoblogs. By the way, Sciencentral is great. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before here. http://www.sciencentral.com/ http://www.sciencentral.com/feed.rss (no enclosures, just excerpts) AQ google.com Randolfe (Randy) Wicker http://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - *From:* Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* videoblogging@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 7:57 AM *Subject:* [videoblogging] Define Videoblogging There's been a idea that has been promoted to not define Videoblogging. That it is too soon, that defining it will lock it down and constrain it, and so on. The error is that a model, definition, thesis is required to test if something is viable. You don't discover something by not applying a model to it, but by testing if a proposed model accurately describes the item in question. The video projects that are interesting and successful whether the highly structured Rocket Boom or loosely structured Carp Caviar, have a understandable structure. Experimental films have existed since Edison and others invented the technology of filmmaking. But it became a vibrant media once Griffith found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in Birth of a Nation. Within that clear models of genres and forms -- the science fiction, crime (with subgenre of noire), romance (subgenres of romantic-comedy, etc.), comedy, etc. sub-models --- resolved into modes of film expression. It is a mistake to narrowly define an art form. To say that videoblogging is just personal diaries or citizen journalism or another type of genre expression. This is like saying film is adventure. It may be that adventure (or romantic or crime) films are the most prevalent genres, but they are not the only genres that can exist and are interesting. It is the form of a duration around 90 minutes with three acts that does define the cinematic form. And it is a video with blogging capability that may be the correct model that different genres of videoblogging exist in. That model may be incomplete or innacurate, but it should be proposed and tested against competing models until the correct model is determined. Saying that no model should be tested is quite possibly a recipe for floundering and stagnation. -- Enric -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Ha, I had mistakenly thought this conversation was dead. Here's something to think about for those that demand definition. Perhaps defintions are for those who can't simply enjoy something, or just plain don't get it? Definitions are a crutch. Go do something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, chris_koehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, I had mistakenly thought this conversation was dead. Here's something to think about for those that demand definition. Perhaps defintions are for those who can't simply enjoy something, or just plain don't get it? Definitions are a crutch. Go do something. Or perhaps they are not. There's no contradiction between having a model and putting it in action (doing). -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Loiez D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion vlogging is not a modele ( there is x modele of vlogging) may be a spirit the feeling of the media's mastering i like the sounds of that! i'm not one for dogma or definitions. but i've always been a sucker for manifestos. yes, let the purges begin. the pure of vlog need not worry! the judge: ManCheeseMo. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-5203272-5767925?v=glancen=130: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. -- Enric Amazon.com is NOT an authority. Check the IMDb if you have to check anything. It's 187 minutes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined. But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defintion of videoblogging. Just that it is more useful to have a workable definition than none. -- Enric Oh, come off it. The moment you add anything to that description you're essentially disregarding whole groups of very cinematic films. Do you know anything about scientific names? Well, cinema is a phylum, not a species. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there's a definition of cinema, I would say too loosely defined. But a start. I'm not proposing a restrictive defintion of videoblogging. Just that it is more useful to have a workable definition than none. -- Enric Oh, come off it. The moment you add anything to that description you're essentially disregarding whole groups of very cinematic films. Do you know anything about scientific names? Well, cinema is a phylum, not a species. RSS, OPML, HTTP are imperfect standards. But they're quite useful. A model not need to be general to the point that it must fit every possibility present and to the future. Some models are more useful when defining the general qualities of a subject and leaving out the outliers. It's not a crime to have models (or to skateboard.) -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a crime to have models... And I'm not saying it is. And I'm still not talking about videoblogging. You didn't say that a certain form was or could be a model for a certain type of cinema, Enric, you said that a certain form defined cinema. Whether you like it or not, this is wrong. If nothing else, you're confusing models and definitions. A definition is a statement conveying the fundamental character of a thing. The fundamental character of the cinema is images existing in time, not ninety minute narratives with three acts. That's the fundamental character of but one of many possible models for many possible types of cinema, not cinema itself, which is what you said. A model is work, construction, or in this case, schema, that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made. It has nothing to do with fundamental characteristics of a thing, but with the imposition of paradigmatic reductions and limitations on those characteristics, with specifics. I agree that models--both in practice and in theory--can be valuable to videoblogging as to any art, as long as they remain models and don't, as Markus wisely warns, ossify into dogmas. But models are not definitions, Enric. And your definition of cinema was wrong. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a comment on Amazon.com on the running time of Birth of a Nation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305130949/104-5203272-5767925?v=glancen=130: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. -- Enric Amazon.com is NOT an authority. Check the IMDb if you have to check anything. It's 187 minutes. From IMDB.COM, http://imdb.com/title/tt0004972/: 190 min (16 fps) / USA:125 min (video version) / USA:187 min (DVD) My 1992 video version is 187 minutes. Birth of a Nation has had different running times depending on what the various distibutors over time thought worked best. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not a crime to have models... And I'm not saying it is. And I'm still not talking about videoblogging. You didn't say that a certain form was or could be a model for a certain type of cinema, Enric, you said that a certain form defined cinema. Whether you like it or not, this is wrong. If nothing else, you're confusing models and definitions. A definition is a statement conveying the fundamental character of a thing. The fundamental character of the cinema is images existing in time, not ninety minute narratives with three acts. That's the fundamental character of but one of many possible models for many possible types of cinema, not cinema itself, which is what you said. A model is work, construction, or in this case, schema, that serves as a plan from which a final product is to be made. It has nothing to do with fundamental characteristics of a thing, but with the imposition of paradigmatic reductions and limitations on those characteristics, with specifics. I agree that models--both in practice and in theory--can be valuable to videoblogging as to any art, as long as they remain models and don't, as Markus wisely warns, ossify into dogmas. But models are not definitions, Enric. And your definition of cinema was wrong. This is correct. I should have used the word model and it's synonyms. (Though finding the definition providing the fundatmental characteristic of videoblogging will also be useful.) -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 00:21:47 +0100, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. For my very first videoblog entry I used book-a-minute to create a 30 second version of Shakespeare's Julius Ceasar: URL: http://www.solitude.dk/archives/20040626-1828/ I see there's a movie-a-minute website now. Maybe it's time to get cranking. :o) URL: http://rinkworks.com/movieaminute/ Maybe The Professional can be the first project? URL: http://rinkworks.com/movieaminute/m/professional.shtml - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. There's a vlog entry in that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Birth of a Nation has had different running times depending on what the various distibutors over time thought worked best. Oh, so cinema became, as you say, a vibrant media once the *distributors* found and clearly displayed the 60-120 minute, three act model in 'Birth of a Nation', *not* Griffith, the artist, who you originally cited, and whose cut was 187 minutes long. Okay, cool. I see where you're coming from now. I was obviously unaware that the distributors were the ones who were determining what forms define cinema. And here I was thinking that artists develop art forms! Just a statement of fact, not value. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Though finding the definition providing the fundatmental characteristic of videoblogging will also be useful. The fundamental characteristic of videoblogging is time-based images exisiting in a more or less permeable network context. The more permeable the better. It's a shame more people don't listen to Adrian Miles. If cinema is a phylum, videoblogging is a genus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a statement of fact, not value. You were contradicting yourself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Amazon.com is NOT an authority. Check the IMDb if you have to check anything. i think Amazon owns IMDB. -Josh Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a statement of fact, not value. You were contradicting yourself. You're correct on that point. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think Amazon owns IMDB. Really? Wow. I had no idea. What u$e could they po$$ibly have with a $ite like that, I wonder? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain and/or example permeable network context. The multidirectional communication flow of the internet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain and/or example permeable network context. The multidirectional communication flow of the internet. OK, what about the blog part of videoblogging -- linking, serial content and immediate comments? -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please explain and/or example permeable network context. The multidirectional communication flow of the internet. OK, what about the blog part of videoblogging -- linking, serial content and immediate comments? -- Enric Oops, that's a subset of multidirectional communication flow of the internet. Nevermind. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Maybe you should do a video about it? :-) Regards Richard Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 0:03 + 18/12/05, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Clayfield --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Maybe you should do a video about it? :-) Regards Richard Meta is useful at times. I learned something. -- Enric Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income homes are not online. Make a difference this holiday season! http://us.click.yahoo.com/5UeCyC/BWHMAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Starting? A little? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
At 0:12 + 18/12/05, Matthew Clayfield wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you guys having fun with this? I hope so, because its starting to drag on a little... Starting? A little? It's all about the tension over time. We'll come to that later in our series. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
which would make videobloggers all gen(i)uses ;-/ On Dec 17, 2005, at 6:42 PM, Matthew Clayfield wrote: If cinema is a phylum, videoblogging is a genus. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/.QUssC/izNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's all about the tension over time. We'll come to that later in our series. :-) Actually, I can't think of a worse example of storytelling than discussion list topics! They suck hard when it comes time to move from action to conclusion... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: which would make videobloggers all gen(i)uses ;-/ Ha ha. Seriously, though, we might say that if videoblogging is a genus, then the various types of videoblogging (personal, citizen journalism, experimental, fictional, etc.) are species (which can cross-breed, obviously) and genres within those types (the usual ones, such as comedy, drama, etc.) are races, though race isn't really an aspect of scientific classification (and I wouldn't like to think that it could be). Maybe videoblogging isn't a genus, but a family, in which case the type of videoblogging is the genus and genres are species. Regardless, the analogy doesn't need to be perfect, and, needless, can't be. It's just fun to talk about videoblogging as if it were a living creature. Which, of course, it is. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
This is a very controversial film. No doubt there are several different cuts floating around out there. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/KIlPFB/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Define Videoblogging
Bill - You just nailed it. Well done.On 12/17/05, Bill Streeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a very controversial film. No doubt there are several different cuts floating around out there. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amazon offers eight or nine different prints of this film on video. They are of varying prices, and varying run times: I found run times of 124min., 125min., 158min., 159min., 190min., and 207min. Wow, what a great idea. I'd love to be able to order a film at the length I prefer. Imagine King Kong at around 5 minutes. It might even be interesting enough to actually watch. Regards, Richard -- Vlog: http://www.kashum.com Feed: http://www.kashum.com/rss2.xml SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
