Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-26 Thread Randolfe Wicker 





I don't understand the discussion about a picture 
attached to email postings here.  I don't get any photos with posts.  
Is that something my computer is automatically filtering out?  I'm using a 
PC at the moment with XP and Outlook Express. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Steve 
  Watkins 
  To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 7:06 
  PM
  Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts 
  Today Both Came In Automatically
  Spams liek most other terms, it suffers from definition 
  leakage at heperimeters.I dont think anybody is comparing you to 
  spammers that bulk-emailmillions of people with dodgy adverts.But 
  it seems from the history of this list so far, that there are afew other 
  factors which can cause people to use the 'spam'label in abit of a broader 
  sense. Factors that increase this risk seem toinclude; Frequency of posts, 
  percentage of time that content is aboutself, urgency of requests to check 
  own stuff out, length of signaturecompared to length of post.Its 
  all very grey, so I deadly hope people can manage not to takeoffense if 
  they are ever called a spammer. People can sometimes usethe term in 
  afectionate, half-joking ways, or if they personally findthe style of a 
  particular persons posts to be something thats just abit too much for 
  their tastes.The worst possible outcome of being called a spammer is 
  if it causes astrog reaction and you stop posting completely, or spend too 
  much timeworrying about how much its ok to post, and stuff like 
  that.Its hard, I dind it much the same as the phenomenon of life in 
  generalwhere you want someone to cool it down just a tiny bit, but are 
  unsurehow to say it in a way thats productive not negative and 
  destructive.Of course it wasnt me that called you a spammer and Im 
  really not in aposition to be telling anybody how it is with this issue, 
  these arejust my personal thoughts.Its ort of related to the other 
  ocassionally occuring phenomenon suchas people getting annoyed with a 
  subject and requesting the list stoptalking about it. Inevitable parts of 
  email lists, potentially easy todeal with productively but also always the 
  risk that any once instancewill go wrong and cause human emotional 
  suffering.Other way to put it: being labelled spam when you arent 
  conciouslyspamming is probably more painful than receiving 
  spam.Steve of Elbows--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, 
  Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Is this ok? And how is it you think I 
  am spamming? I don't think so.  > I guess I needed to be hit over 
  the head to know what others perceive  > as spam which I do 
  not?> > May I include a photograph once a day? I wish all of you 
  would. I got  > mine down to 4k. I thought I was being 
  creative.> > Taylor Barcroft> Santa Cruz CA Beach of the 
  Silicon Valley> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia><http://FutureMedia.org>> Now 
  listed in the iTunes Podcast Directory. FutureMedia, or future,  > 
  media, parties, taylor, barcroft ...> > > On Aug 25, 
  2005, at 11:46 AM, Clint Sharp wrote:> > > Anders Clerwall 
  wrote:> >> >> >> Since I'm not afraid of you 
  either Taylor, I'll ask you to please> >> remove that 12K image 
  you include in your mails.> >> Eats my gmail storage slowly but 
  steadily, especially since you're> >> quite active on this 
  list.> >>> >> Thanks,> >> -- > 
  >> Anders Clerwall> >> blog: http://iscav.com/> >> vlog: http://randomshow.com/> 
  >>> >>> > Quite couragous of you, Anders.  I 
  was trying to muster up the  > > courage myself when I saw your 
  post, and a wave of relief swept  > > over me when I realized I 
  would not have to again try to talk to  > > Taylor about the 
  length of his signature (which is still quite  > > long, and 
  not seperated in any way from the rest of his email which  > > 
  makes it hard to tell where the email ends and the signature  > 
  > begins).  Thanks for taking that bullet for me...> 
  >> > Clint> >> > --> > Clint 
  Sharp> > New Media Guy & Technologist> > 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-26 Thread Beth Agnew 
I like the term "gushy". Kunga was definitely gushy. Some good info, but 
a lot in a short period of time. Like a new oil well -- you want it, but 
under control. Thanks for shortening that sig, too, Taylor!

Andy Carvin wrote:

> Like Stephanie said, even if it's not technically spam, it can seem
> "spammy" to a lot of people because messages are perceived as overly
> frequent.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-26 Thread Andy Carvin 


Kunga wrote:
> Is this ok? And how is it you think I am spamming? I don't think so.  
> I guess I needed to be hit over the head to know what others perceive  
> as spam which I do not?

Like Stephanie said, even if it's not technically spam, it can seem 
"spammy" to a lot of people because messages are perceived as overly 
frequent.

> 
> May I include a photograph once a day? I wish all of you would. I got  
> mine down to 4k. I thought I was being creative.

I just don't see the point. Personally, I get really frustrated by 
emails from a list that contain extraneous attachments. My preference is 
that email lists should be text only, with attachments used because 
they're passing along something necessary for the discussion. Especially 
when a list is as busy as this one, it's just one less thing to wade 
through or fill up your in-box.

andy

> 
> Taylor Barcroft
> Santa Cruz CA Beach of the Silicon Valley
> 
> Now listed in the iTunes Podcast Directory. FutureMedia, or future,  
> media, parties, taylor, barcroft ...
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Clint Sharp wrote:
> 
> 
>>Anders Clerwall wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Since I'm not afraid of you either Taylor, I'll ask you to please
>>>remove that 12K image you include in your mails.
>>>Eats my gmail storage slowly but steadily, especially since you're
>>>quite active on this list.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>-- 
>>>Anders Clerwall
>>>blog: http://iscav.com/
>>>vlog: http://randomshow.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Quite couragous of you, Anders.  I was trying to muster up the  
>>courage myself when I saw your post, and a wave of relief swept  
>>over me when I realized I would not have to again try to talk to  
>>Taylor about the length of his signature (which is still quite  
>>long, and not seperated in any way from the rest of his email which  
>>makes it hard to tell where the email ends and the signature  
>>begins).  Thanks for taking that bullet for me...
>>
>>Clint
>>
>>--
>>Clint Sharp
>>New Media Guy & Technologist
>>ClintSharp.comContact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/
>>
>>We are the media.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread Steve Watkins 
Spams liek most other terms, it suffers from definition leakage at he
perimeters.

I dont think anybody is comparing you to spammers that bulk-email
millions of people with dodgy adverts.

But it seems from the history of this list so far, that there are a
few other factors which can cause people to use the 'spam'label in a
bit of a broader sense. Factors that increase this risk seem to
include; Frequency of posts, percentage of time that content is about
self, urgency of requests to check own stuff out, length of signature
compared to length of post.

Its all very grey, so I deadly hope people can manage not to take
offense if they are ever called a spammer. People can sometimes use
the term in afectionate, half-joking ways, or if they personally find
the style of a particular persons posts to be something thats just a
bit too much for their tastes.

The worst possible outcome of being called a spammer is if it causes a
strog reaction and you stop posting completely, or spend too much time
worrying about how much its ok to post, and stuff like that.

Its hard, I dind it much the same as the phenomenon of life in general
where you want someone to cool it down just a tiny bit, but are unsure
how to say it in a way thats productive not negative and destructive.

Of course it wasnt me that called you a spammer and Im really not in a
position to be telling anybody how it is with this issue, these are
just my personal thoughts.

Its ort of related to the other ocassionally occuring phenomenon such
as people getting annoyed with a subject and requesting the list stop
talking about it. Inevitable parts of email lists, potentially easy to
deal with productively but also always the risk that any once instance
will go wrong and cause human emotional suffering.

Other way to put it: being labelled spam when you arent conciously
spamming is probably more painful than receiving spam.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this ok? And how is it you think I am spamming? I don't think so.  
> I guess I needed to be hit over the head to know what others perceive  
> as spam which I do not?
> 
> May I include a photograph once a day? I wish all of you would. I got  
> mine down to 4k. I thought I was being creative.
> 
> Taylor Barcroft
> Santa Cruz CA Beach of the Silicon Valley
> 
> Now listed in the iTunes Podcast Directory. FutureMedia, or future,  
> media, parties, taylor, barcroft ...
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Clint Sharp wrote:
> 
> > Anders Clerwall wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Since I'm not afraid of you either Taylor, I'll ask you to please
> >> remove that 12K image you include in your mails.
> >> Eats my gmail storage slowly but steadily, especially since you're
> >> quite active on this list.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -- 
> >> Anders Clerwall
> >> blog: http://iscav.com/
> >> vlog: http://randomshow.com/
> >>
> >>
> > Quite couragous of you, Anders.  I was trying to muster up the  
> > courage myself when I saw your post, and a wave of relief swept  
> > over me when I realized I would not have to again try to talk to  
> > Taylor about the length of his signature (which is still quite  
> > long, and not seperated in any way from the rest of his email which  
> > makes it hard to tell where the email ends and the signature  
> > begins).  Thanks for taking that bullet for me...
> >
> > Clint
> >
> > --
> > Clint Sharp
> > New Media Guy & Technologist
> > ClintSharp.comContact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/
> >
> > We are the media.




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread Stephanie Bryant 
On 8/25/05, Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is this ok? And how is it you think I am spamming? I don't think so.
> I guess I needed to be hit over the head to know what others perceive
> as spam which I do not?

Sometimes when someone posts frequently to a group, it's called
"spammy" or "spamming" even though it's not commercial spam and people
don't get as angry as they do about "real" spam. It's just that you're
excited and chatty.

> May I include a photograph once a day? I wish all of you would. I got
> mine down to 4k. I thought I was being creative.

Creative, yes. However.

Personally, I would prefer no photo in the email. Remember: we're all
capable of watching your feed and seeing what you look like. See, even
at 4KB, that's still four times larger than the average size of an
email. So every message you send with the picture takes up four times
as much space in everyone's email accounts as it would without the
picture. Plus, the pics show up as attachments if you don't have
HTML-enabled email, so people get prompted to download the attachment
or don't know if it's a good attachment or an evil virus-spreading
one, etc. etc. etc.

Netiquette-wise, I suggest sticking to text. My personal pet peeve is
that I wish everyone would compose their email messages in plain text
instead of using any formatting, because frequently the formatting
changes the font size so I can't even read it! But that's just me, and
I try to work around it as much as possible, knowing that many people
either don't know they can change those settings, or don't wish to for
their own reasons.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread Kunga 
Is this ok? And how is it you think I am spamming? I don't think so.  
I guess I needed to be hit over the head to know what others perceive  
as spam which I do not?

May I include a photograph once a day? I wish all of you would. I got  
mine down to 4k. I thought I was being creative.

Taylor Barcroft
Santa Cruz CA Beach of the Silicon Valley

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On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Clint Sharp wrote:

> Anders Clerwall wrote:
>
>
>> Since I'm not afraid of you either Taylor, I'll ask you to please
>> remove that 12K image you include in your mails.
>> Eats my gmail storage slowly but steadily, especially since you're
>> quite active on this list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -- 
>> Anders Clerwall
>> blog: http://iscav.com/
>> vlog: http://randomshow.com/
>>
>>
> Quite couragous of you, Anders.  I was trying to muster up the  
> courage myself when I saw your post, and a wave of relief swept  
> over me when I realized I would not have to again try to talk to  
> Taylor about the length of his signature (which is still quite  
> long, and not seperated in any way from the rest of his email which  
> makes it hard to tell where the email ends and the signature  
> begins).  Thanks for taking that bullet for me...
>
> Clint
>
> --
> Clint Sharp
> New Media Guy & Technologist
> ClintSharp.comContact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/
>
> We are the media.



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[videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread chris_koehn 
I've been back a few days now, and already I have noticed that Kunga is quite 
the 
spammer. I mean prolific poster ;)

Now that I mention it, like 2 people remember me haha. I'll stop talking now.


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Clint Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anders Clerwall wrote:
> 
> > Since I'm not afraid of you either Taylor, I'll ask you to please
> > remove that 12K image you include in your mails.
> > Eats my gmail storage slowly but steadily, especially since you're
> > quite active on this list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -- 
> > Anders Clerwall
> > blog: http://iscav.com/
> > vlog: http://randomshow.com/
> >
> Quite couragous of you, Anders.  I was trying to muster up the courage myself 
> when I 
saw your post, and a wave of relief swept over me when I realized I would not 
have to 
again try to talk to Taylor about the length of his signature (which is still 
quite long, and 
not seperated in any way from the rest of his email which makes it hard to tell 
where the 
email ends and the signature begins).  Thanks for taking that bullet for me...
> 
> Clint
> 
> --
> Clint Sharp
> New Media Guy & Technologist
> ClintSharp.comContact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread Clint Sharp 
Anders Clerwall wrote:

> Since I'm not afraid of you either Taylor, I'll ask you to please
> remove that 12K image you include in your mails.
> Eats my gmail storage slowly but steadily, especially since you're
> quite active on this list.
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Anders Clerwall
> blog: http://iscav.com/
> vlog: http://randomshow.com/
>
Quite couragous of you, Anders.  I was trying to muster up the courage myself 
when I saw your post, and a wave of relief swept over me when I realized I 
would not have to again try to talk to Taylor about the length of his signature 
(which is still quite long, and not seperated in any way from the rest of his 
email which makes it hard to tell where the email ends and the signature 
begins).  Thanks for taking that bullet for me...

Clint

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread Anders Clerwall 
On 8/25/05, Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good Point. Of course that is what I meant. I see in re-reading it
> that I wrote it wrong. Thanks for noticing my mistake. I really
> appreciate you having the courage to correct me.

Since I'm not afraid of you either Taylor, I'll ask you to please
remove that 12K image you include in your mails.
Eats my gmail storage slowly but steadily, especially since you're
quite active on this list.

Thanks,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread Kunga 
Good Point. Of course that is what I meant. I see in re-reading it  
that I wrote it wrong. Thanks for noticing my mistake. I really  
appreciate you having the courage to correct me.

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On Aug 25, 2005, at 4:20 AM, Steve Watkins wrote:


Just for the sake of clarity I think you mean one enclosure per post.
Feed refers more to the entire RSS file.

[videoblogging] Re: Two Posts Today Both Came In Automatically

2005-08-25 Thread Steve Watkins 
Just for the sake of clarity I think you mean one enclosure per post.
Feed refers more to the entire RSS file.

By the way I have a request. Could people try to cut out the yahoo
sponsorshipp stuff out of the emails when they reply to them?

The reason is that the sponsorship URLs are very long and if like me
you look at the group messages via yahoo website, it makes the page
too wide so the next button gets pushed off the screen, slows me down.

For example:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/20889

Cheers

Steve

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Markus Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is no way to express how much I look forward to it.
> 
> Kunga wrote:
> 
> >OK I got it figured out Markus. It's not one post per day from the  
> >iTunes Store. It's ONE FEED PER POST. As soon as I made separate  
> >posts for each feed I wanted to include in one post - two audio and  
> >one video - all three came down to my Podcast subscription list. So  
> >we CAN post as much as we want and the feeds will arrive the next  
> >time the subscriber refreshes their Update button or their automatic  
> >updater kicks in. They just need to all be divided up into separate  
> >posts.
> >
> >That's a relief. I definitely plan on multiple posts daily once I get  
> >rolling like today for instance I posted 4 things. Two video and two  
> >audio. I plan on doing PDFs too.
> >
> >Taylor Barcroft
> >FutureMedia Video Journalist
> >
> >
> > 
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  
> >
> >
> >

> >
> >
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> > media, parties, taylor, barcroft ...
> >
> > barcroft (gizmo) 
> > kungax (Skype) >
> > kungag5 (iChat-AIM) 
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Kunga wrote:
> >
> >> Markus Sandy told me yesterday that you were only allowed one
post  a 
> >> day reception from the iTunes music store.
> >>
> >
> 
> 
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