[videoblogging] Re: Veoh article
Would that be the RAD vlog, I wonder... Susan http://vlog.kitykity.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was just going through a few links and stumbled across a Veoh interview (from earlier this year) where they talk about editorial and advertising. The quote really jumped out at me, I can't put my finger on exactly why. Here's a quote and below is the link to the full article; Sometimes those recommendations will be videos. But sometimes they will be advertisements. And if Dunning's crazy math works like it is supposed to, you might not even know the difference between the two. We look at advertising as content, says Shapiro. Targetted advertising is potent content. As an example, he shows me a clip of a videoblogger driving around in a Porsche in Germany. It is not an ad, but it might as well be one. What if, suggests Shapiro, there were a Porsche logo in the corner that said more info available. And if you click it, you get several options, such as download a four-minute infomercial or longer, official Porsche driving videos for later viewing, or watch them now, or send an e-mail to yourself with a link to a Porche Website. http://business2.blogs.com/business2blog/2006/02/scoop_veoh_take.html Maybe if I were there at the presentation and had seen their Porsche video I would have appreciated their comments better. I wonder if other aggregators are considering similar strategies. -- cheers r Deconstructing the status quo, collaboratively my vlog: http://r.24x7.com great hosting: http://foo.24x7.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Veoh article
My content had been there for 4 months. Not a week or two. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Deirdre Straughan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I recall it, the hoo-ha over Veoh's hijacking people's content happened about a week before the announcement of the funding. Perhaps that content had been in there a week or two before anybody in this group noticed. We then had the vehement discussion that everyone knows about, it was even picked up by some non-group bloggers and got some press. A few days later came the VC announcement. Did the presence of the misappropriated content mislead a VC into investing in Veoh? Several people in this group have implied or baldly stated as much. However, I would be extremely surprised if it were true. It would take a really stupid, impulsive VC to make an investment decision based on the content present on the site over a brief period of time. They would also have to have been completely out of touch with the world of online video not to have noticed the fuss over Veoh in this group and elsewhere. Things happen fast in high-tech investment, but not that fast, and these folks are not stupid. You don't dispose of $12 million without due diligence, which takes time, and means a lot more than a glance at Veoh's site. So can we please drop this angle of the discussion as silly and irresponsible? You are, after all, making quasi-criminal charges against the executives of Veoh, accusing them of acting to deliberately mislead investors. There are laws against libel, even on the Internet. -- best regards, Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: Veoh article
However, I would be extremely surprised if it were true. It would take a really stupid, impulsive VC to make an investment decision based on the content present on the site over a brief period of time. They would also have to have been completely out of touch with the world of online video not to have noticed the fuss over Veoh in this group and elsewhere. To amplify Markus, there are plenty of knucklehead VCs out there. Anybody remember pets.com. I think you can still pick up the sock puppets on Ebay. There are laws against libel, even on the Internet. In this day and age, with the likes of George W Bush, it's nice to see that there are a few people left who actually think the US legal system is going to protect us from corporate-backed companies like Veoh. A bad business model, or bad press, might kill Veoh. I personally don't think it will be because our wonderful legal system is fighting the good fight. Call me jaded. Check out EFF. SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Veoh article
On 4/22/06, Jeff Marquis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are laws against libel, even on the Internet. In this day and age, with the likes of George W Bush, it's nice to see that there are a few people left who actually think the US legal system is going to protect us from corporate-backed companies like Veoh. A bad business model, or bad press, might kill Veoh. I personally don't think it will be because our wonderful legal system is fighting the good fight. Call me jaded. Check out EFF.This is not about you personally but... after all the people screaming in here about Veoh violating their copyrights, it seems only reasonable to point out that companies do have some rights to be protected from slander. And if you want any entity, whether a person or a corporation, to treat you with consideration, it's only fair that you do the same for them. It is within the realms of possibility that Veoh did act in bad faith and did trick a particularly stupid VC company into giving them money on that basis. But... is that an accusation we should really be flinging around without even considering the benefit of the doubt? Another aspect of this that has got up my nose is just how ready some of us were to pile on and suspect the darkest motives even when Dmitry was apparently trying to make amends. Companies are made up of people and, surprsingly enough, company people resond just as well to a kind word and a non-belligerent attitude as anyone else. Whether the law gets applied equally in all cases is a whole 'nother argument. Don't tell me about law favoring the rich and those in power - I live in Italy, where outgoing Prime Minister Berlusconi originally got into politics (using his considerable financial and media clout) most likely to keep his own butt out of jail. -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company
Speaking of Dmitry, he was interviewed on CNBC:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e58555GeFRX7g8 -halcyon p.s. are the people who have issues with Veoh unhappy with the way they fixed it? or just upset they made a mistake in the first place?Or something else? Is anyone's content on Veoh that doesn't want it there? On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Veoh.com is where you can see the transcoded flv previews.Btw, I like Veoh way more than crApple iTunes. God forbid people speak out against precious Apple. At least people... humans... speak to us here from Veoh. Christ, the CEO responded! When has anyone from Apple contributed to the conversation of videoblogging? sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company
In my case, I'm commenting on the historical action-- Veoh's taken down my stuff. I'm ok with that. I think the ideal solution would be to offer an attributed, non-preview, non-hosted listing in the veoh directory, but at least they're no longer infringing on any of my stuff. --Stephanei On 4/20/06, Halcyon Lujah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Dmitry, he was interviewed on CNBC: http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e58555GeFRX7g8 -halcyon p.s. are the people who have issues with Veoh unhappy with the way they fixed it? or just upset they made a mistake in the first place? Or something else? Is anyone's content on Veoh that doesn't want it there? On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Veoh.com is where you can see the transcoded flv previews. Btw, I like Veoh way more than crApple iTunes. God forbid people speak out against precious Apple. At least people... humans... speak to us here from Veoh. Christ, the CEO responded! When has anyone from Apple contributed to the conversation of videoblogging? sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blogs, vlogs, and audioblogs at: http://www.mortaine.com/blogs YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company
On 4/20/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: watching this video, i can't help but think that 2 weeks ago when I looked at veoh and saw all my friends videos on veoh, populating their pages, that perhaps all those faces, all those independant producers using veoh helped them land this deal. I am curious... anyone interested in the technology/service that veoh is offering (ignore the bad blood)?Personally, I think they have a good site, and a good service. I've chosen not to list my stuff because I don't believe their actions were accidental and I don't believe in their business practices. It's great that they are trying to make amends, butI've still got my opinions. And it is a shame, because I think they do have a good thing. Maybe not the best thing for videobloggers, but as Anne has said in the past for they seem more suited independent film-makers, etc. I just can't see myself using it any time soon...On 4/20/06, Halcyon Lujah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Dmitry, he was interviewed on CNBC:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e58555GeFRX7g8 -halcyon p.s. are the people who have issues with Veoh unhappy with the way they fixed it? or just upset they made a mistake in the first place?Or something else? Is anyone's content on Veoh that doesn't want it there? On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Veoh.com is where you can see the transcoded flv previews.Btw, I like Veoh way more than crApple iTunes. God forbid people speak out against precious Apple. At least people... humans... speak to us here from Veoh. Christ, the CEO responded! When has anyone from Apple contributed to the conversation of videoblogging? sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlonhttp://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company
I think the technology and probably Dmitry's experience in this space and with P2P technology is by far a larger factor than the amount of content and users that Veoh has or had. People investing money are not usually ignorant to the core factors. The fact is, Veoh can and now likely will become a serious alternative venue for independent media makers. They have made it clear that they specialize in longer form higher quality videos. Maybe not that enticing to some videobloggers who have no intention on creating 'more produced' and ellaborate video works, but looking forward it will be nice to have such an optional platform to utilize. I can see you, Josh, making a brillian short film. Something above and beyond what you have already created. I can see you wanting to distribute a high quality version of it and not wanting to jump through the traditional hoops of the industry... and instead choosing to consider a service like Veoh. Also, imagine all the filmmakers who are not bloggers. Anything that gives them a new vehicle for moving out their content to the masses at no cost that is far from a bad thing!sull On 4/20/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: watching this video, i can't help but think that 2 weeks ago when I looked at veoh and saw all my friends videos on veoh, populating their pages, that perhaps all those faces, all those independant producers using veoh helped them land this deal. I am curious... anyone interested in the technology/service that veoh is offering (ignore the bad blood)?I just can't see myself using it any time soon... On 4/20/06, Halcyon Lujah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Dmitry, he was interviewed on CNBC:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e58555GeFRX7g8 -halcyon p.s. are the people who have issues with Veoh unhappy with the way they fixed it? or just upset they made a mistake in the first place?Or something else? Is anyone's content on Veoh that doesn't want it there? On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Veoh.com is where you can see the transcoded flv previews.Btw, I like Veoh way more than crApple iTunes. God forbid people speak out against precious Apple. At least people... humans... speak to us here from Veoh. Christ, the CEO responded! When has anyone from Apple contributed to the conversation of videoblogging? sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company
I am still waiting to hear back from dmitri, he stood me up for a WATM interview we had scheduled last week (understandable with all the big deal talk going on now) he said maybe this week but I am still waiting to hear from him... hopefully I can get some more information specially geared towards vloggers and how we can work together! On 4/20/06, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/20/06, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: watching this video, i can't help but think that 2 weeks ago when I looked at veoh and saw all my friends videos on veoh, populating their pages, that perhaps all those faces, all those independant producers using veoh helped them land this deal. I am curious... anyone interested in the technology/service that veoh is offering (ignore the bad blood)?Personally, I think they have a good site, and a good service. I've chosen not to list my stuff because I don't believe their actions were accidental and I don't believe in their business practices. It's great that they are trying to make amends, butI've still got my opinions. And it is a shame, because I think they do have a good thing. Maybe not the best thing for videobloggers, but as Anne has said in the past for they seem more suited independent film-makers, etc. I just can't see myself using it any time soon...On 4/20/06, Halcyon Lujah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of Dmitry, he was interviewed on CNBC:http://veoh.com/videoDetails.html?v=e58555GeFRX7g8 -halcyon p.s. are the people who have issues with Veoh unhappy with the way they fixed it? or just upset they made a mistake in the first place?Or something else? Is anyone's content on Veoh that doesn't want it there? On 4/20/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Veoh.com is where you can see the transcoded flv previews.Btw, I like Veoh way more than crApple iTunes. God forbid people speak out against precious Apple. At least people... humans... speak to us here from Veoh. Christ, the CEO responded! When has anyone from Apple contributed to the conversation of videoblogging? sull YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlon http://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- Josh Leowww.JoshLeo.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company
First the Wired article and now this?? *eye twitch* Screw it...I quit. I'm going back to Internet Radio. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2006/04/18/controversial_video_hosting_company_veoh_raises_125m.html He said Veoh from the beginning had wanted to upload only content from RSS feeds which users had explicitly submitted to Veoh. He said Veoh had required publishers submitting feeds to insert a specific snippet of code verifying they were owners of the feed. However, he said Veoh's process was bugged, and wasn't identifying which content was owned by the submitters and which wasn't. As a result, when outsiders submitted copyrighted content, Veoh ended up uploading it when it shouldn't have. He said he has since nuked all content that hasn't been adequately submitted. rewriting history so soon? -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: veoh article with interesting statements from the company
lol, yeah it's a kick in the balls today David.On 4/19/06, David Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First the Wired article and now this?? *eye twitch* Screw it...I quit. I'm going back to Internet Radio. David http://www.davidhowellstudios.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Anne Walk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2006/04/18/controversial_video_hosting_company_veoh_raises_125m.html He said Veoh from the beginning had wanted to upload only content from RSS feeds which users had explicitly submitted to Veoh. He said Veoh had required publishers submitting feeds to insert a specific snippet of code verifying they were owners of the feed. However, he said Veoh's process was bugged, and wasn't identifying which content was owned by the submitters and which wasn't. As a result, when outsiders submitted copyrighted content, Veoh ended up uploading it when it shouldn't have. He said he has since nuked all content that hasn't been adequately submitted. rewriting history so soon? -- Anne Walk http://loadedpun.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- ~Devlonhttp://loadedpun.com | http://mefeedia.com http://8bitme.blogspot.com | http://devlonduthie.com SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
