Re: [videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading -- Re: Chris Baudry
Kent, Sorry for the heated message. I do not need to have the last word. It's great that your site recovered. I'll be happy to follow your project and wish you the best. Regards, Chris On 8/15/05, Kent Bye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I feel that I am facing a teacher/preacher> making sure he gets the last word. Hey Chris, I do consider myself a teacher -- although I try to avoid preaching.Sorry for crossing this line.Otherwise, I'll let you have the last word...Except to say that my website has recovered from this afternoon's hack. Thanks,-Kent Bye.Director, The Echo Chamber ProjectMetaThought Productions http://www.echochamberproject.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
Anne: a very balanced view to which I subscribe. Thank you. I feel sorry for this thread that my comment made a diversion. The theme of this thread is very important and I strongly recommend going to the link provided by Asmund: http://infodesign.no/artikler/videoblogs_as_collective_documentary.pdf Thanks, Chris On 8/15/05, Anne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i think that the best way to encourage others to create content aboveand beyond the personal anecdote (if that's what they want to do), is through example. there is absolutely no need to dismiss the videos ofothers on this forum. doing so is counterproductive.while i'm sure that chris didn't mean it to be, the language used toexpress his opinions was needlessly inflamatory. vlogging is a new genre. just like art video, when it first arrived onthe scene, experimentation with various methods/subject matters is notonly inevitable, it's also necessary. many of the first art videos created were navel gazing exercises that took the new ability tocreate long takes to the extreme (andy warhol's sleeping videos cometo mind).alot is made of the signal to noise ratio. the fear is that, if there are too many "boring" videos, the video blogging project will beimperiled. nonsense. link to what you love and the rest takes care ofitself. curate a site of videos that you find important/interesting. comment on them. link to them. become a vlog critic. write history.--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Beth Agnew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I think you're fully allowed to express your opinon, Chris.Continual "look at me, look at me" vlogging can get tiresome -- gosh, I should know about that!! -- and I think many of us agree with you onthat. Alternative points of view may note that a video diary isnothing more than a paper diary updated to use newer technology. Therewill always be personal expressions in these media. Some of them are outstanding; some of them are a crushing bore. The good ones will riseto the top of the heap, as did Samuel Pepys and Anne Frank.> > The ones that have no celebrity may still be valued; my granny wrote some weird stuff for her day, what a hoot!> > I kinda like the folks on this list who say "Hey, do somethingsignificant with your video!" and "Think about what you're doing, andwhy!". Makes me check my motives every now and then, and inspires me to actually have a plan, or at least a vision that goes beyond my nose.> --Beth> Laugh your stress away, laugh for no reason, laugh every day.> laughpractice.blogspot.com> > > > Chris Baudry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I got a private message asking me to clarify what I meant in thesecond paragraph of my message. > > Well my intention was not to pick on the newbies as I understandthat "The point of this group is to help> folks new to vlogging". > > Regards,> > Chris SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading -- Re: Chris Baudry
> I feel that I am facing a teacher/preacher > making sure he gets the last word. Hey Chris, I do consider myself a teacher -- although I try to avoid preaching. Sorry for crossing this line. Otherwise, I'll let you have the last word... Except to say that my website has recovered from this afternoon's hack. Thanks, -Kent Bye. Director, The Echo Chamber Project MetaThought Productions http://www.echochamberproject.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
i think that the best way to encourage others to create content above and beyond the personal anecdote (if that's what they want to do), is through example. there is absolutely no need to dismiss the videos of others on this forum. doing so is counterproductive. while i'm sure that chris didn't mean it to be, the language used to express his opinions was needlessly inflamatory. vlogging is a new genre. just like art video, when it first arrived on the scene, experimentation with various methods/subject matters is not only inevitable, it's also necessary. many of the first art videos created were navel gazing exercises that took the new ability to create long takes to the extreme (andy warhol's sleeping videos come to mind). alot is made of the signal to noise ratio. the fear is that, if there are too many "boring" videos, the video blogging project will be imperiled. nonsense. link to what you love and the rest takes care of itself. curate a site of videos that you find important/interesting. comment on them. link to them. become a vlog critic. write history. --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Beth Agnew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you're fully allowed to express your opinon, Chris. Continual "look at me, look at me" vlogging can get tiresome -- gosh, I should know about that!! -- and I think many of us agree with you on that. Alternative points of view may note that a video diary is nothing more than a paper diary updated to use newer technology. There will always be personal expressions in these media. Some of them are outstanding; some of them are a crushing bore. The good ones will rise to the top of the heap, as did Samuel Pepys and Anne Frank. > > The ones that have no celebrity may still be valued; my granny wrote some weird stuff for her day, what a hoot! > > I kinda like the folks on this list who say "Hey, do something significant with your video!" and "Think about what you're doing, and why!". Makes me check my motives every now and then, and inspires me to actually have a plan, or at least a vision that goes beyond my nose. > --Beth > Laugh your stress away, laugh for no reason, laugh every day. > laughpractice.blogspot.com > > > > Chris Baudry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got a private message asking me to clarify what I meant in the second paragraph of my message. > > Well my intention was not to pick on the newbies as I understand that "The point of this group is to help > folks new to vlogging". > > Regards, > > Chris SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
I think you're fully allowed to express your opinon, Chris. Continual "look at me, look at me" vlogging can get tiresome -- gosh, I should know about that!! -- and I think many of us agree with you on that. Alternative points of view may note that a video diary is nothing more than a paper diary updated to use newer technology. There will always be personal expressions in these media. Some of them are outstanding; some of them are a crushing bore. The good ones will rise to the top of the heap, as did Samuel Pepys and Anne Frank. The ones that have no celebrity may still be valued; my granny wrote some weird stuff for her day, what a hoot! I kinda like the folks on this list who say "Hey, do something significant with your video!" and "Think about what you're doing, and why!". Makes me check my motives every now and then, and inspires me to actually have a plan, or at least a vision that goes beyond my nose. --Beth Laugh your stress away, laugh for no reason, laugh every day. laughpractice.blogspot.com Chris Baudry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I got a private message asking me to clarify what I meant in the second paragraph of my message. Well my intention was not to pick on the newbies as I understand that "The point of this group is to helpfolks new to vlogging". Regards, Chris YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
I got a private message asking me to clarify what I meant in the second paragraph of my message. Well my intention was not to pick on the newbies as I understand that "The point of this group is to helpfolks new to vlogging". Regards, Chris SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading -- Re: Chris Baudry
Hey Kent; I thought my previous message would close the matter which was pretty minor in my opinion. Though I liked your video blog, when I read: "There are different functions and different audiences for different vlogs, and it sounded like you were projecting your value system of by implying what is "appropriate" and "inappropriate" for all vlogs." I feel that I am facing a teacher/preacher making sure he gets the last word. But as you said: "If this wasn't your intention, then I'm sorry that I misread you" :)) Anyway I spend my time projecting and obviously I need to be talked down. About: "And if someone's vlog doesn't appeal to you, then that doesn't mean it's worthless or meaningless." I think this is pretty profound. There is enough matter to write a thesis here. Best regards, Chris SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading -- Re: Chris Baudry
> My remark was not related to your work and or to > any universal right or wrong judgment about the > value of the various productions presented. Hey Chris, I realize that you were not referring to my project in particular when expressing your grievances with what you describe as "all the narcissists feeling they are at the center of the universe with videoblogging." But you did say that I "use vlogging in an appropriate way" -- which implies that everyone else is using vlogging in an "inappropriate" way. I disagree with this implication for the reasons that I explained in my previous message. > And my message started by: "I am" I also realize that you are expressing your opinion -- It's just that I'm not personally comfortable with a recommendation that comes with the discrediting of the works that others are doing. I don't think that this is really necessary. There are different functions and different audiences for different vlogs, and it sounded like you were projecting your value system of by implying what is "appropriate" and "inappropriate" for all vlogs. If this wasn't your intention, then I'm sorry that I misread you. I think it's important to realize that not all vlogs are going to appeal to all people. And if someone's vlog doesn't appeal to you, then that doesn't mean it's worthless or meaningless. Just not something that you're interested in watching. Thanks, -Kent Bye. Director, The Echo Chamber MetaThought Productions http://www.echochamberproject.com "You must be the change you want to see in the world" -Mahatma Gandhi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading -- Re: Chris Baudry
Hey Kent: My remark was not related to your work and or to any universal right or wrong judgment about the value of the various productions presented. As you write: "The relative appropriateness of any vlog is a value judgment that is up to each vlog consumer to make" And my message started by: "I am" Sorry that the proximity created confusion. Thanks, Chris On 8/15/05, Kent Bye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am fed up with all the narcissists feeling they are at> the center of the universe with videoblogging and > showing off and spending their time ranting or> showing how they are great when BBQing or> driving their car while stating common thoughts.>> You are going somewhere and you use> vlogging in an appropriate way. Hey Chris,I appreciate the compliment and recommendation -- However, I do still think that there is value in personal media.I am working on a politically-focused documentary with a focus on developing tools for scalable collaboration, but this doesn't discredit the value gained from vlogs that are focused on personal _expression_.There is a certainly a difference in audiences, as well as a difference in function, but I don't distinguish between an "appropriate" or "inappropriate" use between the two.The relative appropriateness of any vlog is a value judgment that is up to each vlog consumer to make -- I don't see a universal "right" or "wrong" way that anyone should use their vlog. Just as there is an emerging ecosystem of blogs that range from personal to explicitly political to a business-oriented knowledge management system, I believe that the same will be true of the vlogosphere as it continues to grow.Diversity is a good thing because we're all not interested in the same things.With that said, I do think that there is a lot of potential for using vlogs for political activism. In fact, that is one reason why I'm using the open source Drupal / CivicSpace platform, because a lot of the tools that I want to create for collaborative media could feed into the political campaigns of the election cycle.CivicSpace came out of the community software that the Howard Dean campaign used, and I've been in contact with some of the developers focusing on how vlogs will be integrated into political campaigns. I'll probably be asking for more feedback and brainstorming at some point, but I just wanted to make it clear that it is not my intention to discredit the legitimacy of how anyone else chooses to use their vlog. Thanks,-Kent Bye.Director, The Echo Chamber ProjectMetaThought Productionshttp://www.echochamberproject.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading -- Re: Chris Baudry
> I am fed up with all the narcissists feeling they are at > the center of the universe with videoblogging and > showing off and spending their time ranting or > showing how they are great when BBQing or > driving their car while stating common thoughts. > > You are going somewhere and you use > vlogging in an appropriate way. Hey Chris, I appreciate the compliment and recommendation -- However, I do still think that there is value in personal media. I am working on a politically-focused documentary with a focus on developing tools for scalable collaboration, but this doesn't discredit the value gained from vlogs that are focused on personal _expression_. There is a certainly a difference in audiences, as well as a difference in function, but I don't distinguish between an "appropriate" or "inappropriate" use between the two. The relative appropriateness of any vlog is a value judgment that is up to each vlog consumer to make -- I don't see a universal "right" or "wrong" way that anyone should use their vlog. Just as there is an emerging ecosystem of blogs that range from personal to explicitly political to a business-oriented knowledge management system, I believe that the same will be true of the vlogosphere as it continues to grow. Diversity is a good thing because we're all not interested in the same things. With that said, I do think that there is a lot of potential for using vlogs for political activism. In fact, that is one reason why I'm using the open source Drupal / CivicSpace platform, because a lot of the tools that I want to create for collaborative media could feed into the political campaigns of the election cycle. CivicSpace came out of the community software that the Howard Dean campaign used, and I've been in contact with some of the developers focusing on how vlogs will be integrated into political campaigns. I'll probably be asking for more feedback and brainstorming at some point, but I just wanted to make it clear that it is not my intention to discredit the legitimacy of how anyone else chooses to use their vlog. Thanks, -Kent Bye. Director, The Echo Chamber Project MetaThought Productions http://www.echochamberproject.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
Hey Kent, Outstanding 6 minute vlog you present on your site (vlogproject1). First time I see a vlog creative, bringing value and well done. http://www.echochamberproject.com/vlog I am fed up with all the narcissists feeling they are at the center of the universe with videoblogging and showing off and spending their time ranting or showing how they are great when BBQing or driving their car while stating common thoughts. You are going somewhere and you use vlogging in an appropriate way. I think everybody on this list should view your vlog! Kudos. Chris On 8/15/05, Kent Bye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > but readings that will inspire the> students to go create good work -- especially Film or new media theory > from any era that applies, writings on critical thinking / media> criticism, and creating art with audience in mindHey Jen,I'm doing a collaborative documentary on the pre-war performance of the mainstream media.And I have a vlog that talks a bit about some of the theory and techniques for collaboration using new media technologies. http://www.echochamberproject.com/vlogI can't promise that the following blog posts will inspire good work from your students, but I think there might be some relevent information for what you're looking for: Collaborative Media with Drupal + Final Cut Pro XMLhttp://www.echochamberproject.com/CollaborativeFilmmaking All blog posts tagged with theory:http://www.echochamberproject.com/tag/theory Open-sourced transcripts from interviews with journalists, media critics and other scholars critiquing the pre-war performance of the media: http://www.echochamberproject.com/interviewsIntegrating Film, Internet, Blogs & Open Source http://www.echochamberproject.com/node/66All blog posts tagged with collaboration: http://www.echochamberproject.com/tag/collaborationAnalytical Techniques for Coordinating Decentralized Journalism http://www.echochamberproject.com/node/86All blog posts discussing how critical thinking skills from intelligence analysis can be applied to journalism: http://www.echochamberproject.com/tag/intelligenceanalysisHope this helps,-Kent Bye.Director, The Echo Chamber ProjectMetaThought Productions http://www.echochamberproject.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
> but readings that will inspire the > students to go create good work -- especially Film or new media theory > from any era that applies, writings on critical thinking / media > criticism, and creating art with audience in mind Hey Jen, I'm doing a collaborative documentary on the pre-war performance of the mainstream media. And I have a vlog that talks a bit about some of the theory and techniques for collaboration using new media technologies. http://www.echochamberproject.com/vlog I can't promise that the following blog posts will inspire good work from your students, but I think there might be some relevent information for what you're looking for: Collaborative Media with Drupal + Final Cut Pro XML http://www.echochamberproject.com/CollaborativeFilmmaking All blog posts tagged with theory: http://www.echochamberproject.com/tag/theory Open-sourced transcripts from interviews with journalists, media critics and other scholars critiquing the pre-war performance of the media: http://www.echochamberproject.com/interviews Integrating Film, Internet, Blogs & Open Source http://www.echochamberproject.com/node/66 All blog posts tagged with collaboration: http://www.echochamberproject.com/tag/collaboration Analytical Techniques for Coordinating Decentralized Journalism http://www.echochamberproject.com/node/86 All blog posts discussing how critical thinking skills from intelligence analysis can be applied to journalism: http://www.echochamberproject.com/tag/intelligenceanalysis Hope this helps, -Kent Bye. Director, The Echo Chamber Project MetaThought Productions http://www.echochamberproject.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm teaching a multimedia production class at Temple University's film > > school this fall, and I want to focus about half of the semester on > > videoblogging. I'm looking for advice on readings to assign -- not so > > much about the technology or how-to, but readings that will inspire the > > students to go create good work -- especially Film or new media theory > > from any era that applies, writings on critical thinking / media > > criticism, and creating art with audience in mind... > > any ideas welcome! > > thanks, Lasica's "Darknet" is a pretty good place to start. http://www.darknet.com/ Dave http://davemedia.blogspot.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: books + theory reading
hi jen, you might want to check out Adrian Miles' site http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog/ he's got lots of links to other academic sites as well anne --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Jen Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm teaching a multimedia production class at Temple University's film > school this fall, and I want to focus about half of the semester on > videoblogging. I'm looking for advice on readings to assign -- not so > much about the technology or how-to, but readings that will inspire the > students to go create good work -- especially Film or new media theory > from any era that applies, writings on critical thinking / media > criticism, and creating art with audience in mind... > any ideas welcome! > thanks, > jen > > > > jenSimmons > http://www.emergingawareness.org > http://www.inclinationsthemovie.com > http://www.jensimmons.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
