Newbie and first question: 3GP format - Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
Dear Jay, Thank you very much for the nice welcome. We've had a lot of new people join in the last month. I want to first extend a welcome to you. I am one of the new members, but still in the phase of experimenting, i.e. I still do not have a really working vlog. But as an introduction to this group I made this vlog entry here: http://maxie-online.blogspot.com Well, one can see here is a real beginner ... :-) I have watched many of the videos that were posted in this group and see that the standards are very high. (Thank you all for sharing!) My question, of which I hope it is not too silly: At the moment I am trying and learning with what I have. (I know, I should have a real videocam, somewhen I will.) Anyway, I am not at all satisfied at the quality of the videos from my digital camera - a Fuji A 201 - and so I wanted to use the videos shot with my mobile (Motorola E1000), but they are in mobile format (3GP). I did not find anything via Google, so I am asking here: Is there any possibility to use 3GP files also for a web videolog? What program could I use to convert them into one of the usual web formats (SWF, WMV, MOV)? Is that possible at all? Kind regards from Berlin (Germany) Martina Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
Randolfe,you are so right podcasts is a funny word, I see this as renaming thing, how about HAMvideo, it worked for years with radio. What are you feelings, apart from ham being a type of pig meat, so much for getting away from this obese man image you have. Call me a little surreal but "podcast" conjures up images of small ova shaped tv sets, running very fast towards a big ant which is on fire or a CD with a green crotchet on.Speak to you againPaul On 23 Nov 2005, at 20:57, Randolfe Wicker wrote:I agree with Michael. "Podcast" just sounds ugly. The word brings to mind images like a terribly obese man or a swarm of oysters--if oysters could "swarm". Actually, "video radio" has a nice ring to it. Never heard that term before. I also agree that "podcast" ties everything to the iPod thing. I'm not into iPods or boomboxes so it doesn't resonate with me. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message -From: Michael SullivanTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:00 AMSubject: Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this groupyo,podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why? because any term that references a specific product from a specific company that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing. also, you say:To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simpleway to extend what people already know.wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio... audio! so, in essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term. video radio anyone?Apple (becoming more and more synonymous with the evil biblic apple) jumped on the term after it was hyped by the likes of Adam Currywhen it finally allowed rss subscriptions in iTunes Fine! makes sense for them... since it's their product being referenced anyway. But what about those who don tuse apple products? Its annoying and not ambiguous, when it should be.Hell, iTunes does video. Change the fricking name of your app then! its not just about tunes, not just about iPods... if anyone should be changing terms, its Apple, not vloggers who actually use video and blogs... oh and "vlog" is just short for videoblog and not looked at as some replacement term for videoblog... web log = blog. same deal.. so what. dont forget, also T Whid, there is establishment in the videoblogging community we had vloggercon and several projects and events use 'vlog' in their names. Dont tell us that we should change all that just because an apple video iPod came out shit, i have had a portable video player for over a year no change in terminology and vocabulary required upon purchase. sullOn 11/23/05, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Josh,It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what orhow to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headway asthe generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simpleway to extend what people already know.Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the'v' stands for video.Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about awebsite in blog format that also has video and feeds associated withit.Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about the feed and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated withit, but not crucial to it.The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people mightbecome confused and think that it only works with an ipod or is meant to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches ofvideo feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how touse it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree).On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you mean "video podcast"? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase "video podcast" since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of "videoblog" or the shortened "vlog" for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for "video podcast" other than the recent buzz factor? Josh--twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
Paul, thanks for the response. Frankly, I think we should use more personal names when responding here. These treads wander around and if you don't read them as threads (and people respond in different order) you're not sure exactly what is being said in answer specifically to what. It is very amusing that the word "podcast" creates such strange image associations in our minds. I think of the movie "Moonstone" in which "pods" were big oval alien eggs in a swimming pool which had the ability to re-invigorate people from the old age home who swam in the pool. Ham video is a pretty neat term and probably accurately describes most newbies and many veteran sloppy vloggers. I don't mind the association with pigs since pigs are the most intelligent of farm animals I believe. However, "ham" carries with it associations of being either "amateur" (totally negative) or "amateur and funny" (negative with redeeming features). So, I can't say I'd like to see the term adopted to replace "vlogger". However, it would fun to see it adopted for describing some of the pathetic, self-indulgent boring vlogs we find ourselves surrounded by far too often. I'm not a linguist. However, it is fascinating that this word "pod" has the ability to conjure up such bizarre image associations. I know that "pods" of certain living things exist. I just looked at a few pages of the 186,000 (mainly sponsored results) for "pods" on Google. First, pods seem mainly to be containers for storing or moving stuff. That "pod" business is huge and is what most of the paid listings are about. However, one "pod" was described as "a short segment of video usually on a few minutes long" which validates those who argue for it. Then again there are poppy "pods" you can buy. Wonder if any of those are opium poppy "pods" that could enhance our imagination? :) And then there are trees that produce thousands of "fruit pods"--whatever they are. But, to insert a "ham tradition" into vlogging, let's keep our eye out for those vlogs that deserve special "ham awards" :) Given that there is so much "bad" video out there, the "ham awards" could actually become prestigious. Imagine how terrible your vlog would have to be to be selected as the "worst of all". Maybe, we could give "trophies" shaped like pork chops, pigs snouts, pigs tails or pig ears. The "pig ear" awards would appropriate for the worst podcasts. Why haven't they thought of that? By the way, where are you located? I'm in Hoboken, just opposite NYC and attend the NYC vlogger meetings. They are a lot of fun. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Paul Knight To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group Randolfe, you are so right podcasts is a funny word, I see this as renaming thing, how about HAMvideo, it worked for years with radio. What are you feelings, apart from ham being a type of pig meat, so much for getting away from this obese man image you have. Call me a little surreal but "podcast" conjures up images of small ova shaped tv sets, running very fast towards a big ant which is on fire or a CD with a green crotchet on. Speak to you again Paul On 23 Nov 2005, at 20:57, Randolfe Wicker wrote: I agree with Michael. "Podcast" just sounds ugly. The word brings to mind images like a terribly obese man or a swarm of oysters--if oysters could "swarm". Actually, "video radio" has a nice ring to it. Never heard that term before. I also agree that "podcast" ties everything to the iPod thing. I'm not into iPods or boomboxes so it doesn't resonate with me. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Sullivan To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group yo,podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why? because any term that references a specific product from a specific company that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing.also, you say: To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simpleway to extend what people already know. wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio... audio! so, in essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
Hi, I want to add my welcome to new list members too. I've been with this list since day one and have enjoyed being a member. When some people first look at videoblogging they just see videos on web pages. It's more than that. This group, comments, emails and links have brought together people from all over the world with similar interests, and relationships have formed between us. It's the power of blogs combined with video that is making something new and exciting happen here. For those of you who are new to videoblogging, I'd like to point out my site http://www.feevlog.com/ It's a place where I keep track of both free and paid video blogging solutions. Thanks, --Steve On Nov 22, 2005, at 10:35 PM, Jay dedman wrote: But i want to let you know that this list if for you to ask the group questions or share knowledge. We all want to help you get started videoblogging. I cant think of a more qualified group of people to do that. If you are starting from scratchplease visit http://freevlog.org which was made for beginners. If you need to ask questions, please be as specific as possible. -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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And a good place for references is of course at the wikipedia entry for VLOG:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VlogOn 11/23/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I want to add my welcome to new list members too.I've been with this list since day one and have enjoyed being a member.When some people first look at videoblogging they just see videos onweb pages. It's more than that.This group, comments, emails and links havebrought together people from all over the world with similar interests,and relationships have formed between us.It's the power of blogs combined with video that is making something new and exciting happen here.For those of you who are new to videoblogging, I'd like to point out mysite http://www.feevlog.com/It's a place where I keep track of both free and paid video blogging solutions.Thanks,--SteveOn Nov 22, 2005, at 10:35 PM, Jay dedman wrote: But i want to let you know that this list if for you to ask the group questions or share knowledge. We all want to help you get started videoblogging. I cant think of a more qualified group of people to do that. If you are starting from scratchplease visit http://freevlog.org which was made for beginners. If you need to ask questions, please be as specific as possible.--Home Page - http://stevegarfield.comVideo Blog- http://stevegarfield.blogs.comText Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.comLike Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home pagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Steve Garfield wrote: It's more than that. This group, comments, emails and links have brought together people from all over the world with similar interests, and relationships have formed between us. Steve brings up a great point and I have always liked how he describes videoblogging as a continuum of watching, learning, creating and teaching. http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2005/07/videoblogging-is-continuum.html As you explore the vlogosphere, please check out http://Node101.org, http://MeetTheVloggers.org and other sites where you can share your passion for videoblogging with others in workshops and presentations. -- markus sandy http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Don't you mean video podcast? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase video podcast since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of videoblog or the shortened vlog for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for video podcast other than the recent buzz factor? Josh On 11/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And a good place for references is of course at the wikipedia entry for VLOG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlog On 11/23/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I want to add my welcome to new list members too. I've been with this list since day one and have enjoyed being a member. When some people first look at videoblogging they just see videos on web pages. It's more than that. This group, comments, emails and links have brought together people from all over the world with similar interests, and relationships have formed between us. It's the power of blogs combined with video that is making something new and exciting happen here. For those of you who are new to videoblogging, I'd like to point out my site http://www.feevlog.com/ It's a place where I keep track of both free and paid video blogging solutions. Thanks, --Steve On Nov 22, 2005, at 10:35 PM, Jay dedman wrote: But i want to let you know that this list if for you to ask the group questions or share knowledge. We all want to help you get started videoblogging. I cant think of a more qualified group of people to do that. If you are starting from scratchplease visit http://freevlog.org which was made for beginners. If you need to ask questions, please be as specific as possible. -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Josh, It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what or how to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headway as the generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple way to extend what people already know. Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the 'v' stands for video. Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about a website in blog format that also has video and feeds associated with it. Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about the feed and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated with it, but not crucial to it. The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people might become confused and think that it only works with an ipod or is meant to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches of video feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how to use it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree). On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you mean video podcast? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase video podcast since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of videoblog or the shortened vlog for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for video podcast other than the recent buzz factor? Josh -- twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I'd guess buzz. A search over at http://inventory.overture.com gives these results for October searches: vlog - 3,199 videoblog - 366 video blog - 6,353 video podcast - 1,360 ipod video - 86,341 Gotta go change my vlog name to Steve Garfield's iPod Video Blog On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:24 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Don't you mean video podcast? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase video podcast since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of videoblog or the shortened vlog for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for video podcast other than the recent buzz factor? --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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yo,podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why? because any term that references a specific product from a specific company that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing. also, you say:To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simpleway to extend what people already know. wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio... audio! so, in essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term. video radio anyone?Apple (becoming more and more synonymous with the evil biblic apple) jumped on the term after it was hyped by the likes of Adam Currywhen it finally allowed rss subscriptions in iTunes Fine! makes sense for them... since it's their product being referenced anyway. But what about those who don tuse apple products? Its annoying and not ambiguous, when it should be.Hell, iTunes does video. Change the fricking name of your app then! its not just about tunes, not just about iPods... if anyone should be changing terms, its Apple, not vloggers who actually use video and blogs... oh and vlog is just short for videoblog and not looked at as some replacement term for videoblog... web log = blog. same deal.. so what. dont forget, also T Whid, there is establishment in the videoblogging community we had vloggercon and several projects and events use 'vlog' in their names. Dont tell us that we should change all that just because an apple video iPod came out shit, i have had a portable video player for over a year no change in terminology and vocabulary required upon purchase. sullOn 11/23/05, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Josh,It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what orhow to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headway asthe generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simpleway to extend what people already know.Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the'v' stands for video. Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about awebsite in blog format that also has video and feeds associated withit.Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about the feed and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated withit, but not crucial to it.The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people mightbecome confused and think that it only works with an ipod or is meant to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches ofvideo feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how touse it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree). On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you mean video podcast? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase video podcast since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of videoblog or the shortened vlog for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for video podcast other than the recent buzz factor? Josh--twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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yo to you, On 11/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yo, podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why? because any term that references a specific product from a specific company that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing. a danger that I mentioned in my email also, you say: To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple way to extend what people already know. wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio... audio! so, in essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term. video radio anyone? I don't agree. they understand it as 'subscribing' to 'something' to get audio. When you add video it's instantly recognizable as 'subscribing' to 'something' to get not audio, now video. dont forget, also T Whid, there is establishment in the videoblogging community we had vloggercon and several projects and events use 'vlog' in their names. Dont tell us that we should change all that just because an apple video iPod came out shit, i have had a portable video player for over a year no change in terminology and vocabulary required upon purchase. I'm not telling you to change anything I would encourage you to call it whatever you like. But I'm interested in explaining this stuff to people who may not know anything about it and the shortest possible route presently is 'video podcast.' Apple, Curry and others are pouring lots of time and dollars in making the podcast term understood by ordinary consumers. And presently the way they're defining it is broad enough that it doesn't conflict with the message I want to get out. Why shouldn't I take advantage of the education they're doing? It may come back to bite me in the ass, but for now it seems worth it. sull On 11/23/05, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Josh, It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what or how to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headway as the generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple way to extend what people already know. Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the 'v' stands for video. Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about a website in blog format that also has video and feeds associated with it. Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about the feed and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated with it, but not crucial to it. The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people might become confused and think that it only works with an ipod or is meant to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches of video feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how to use it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree). On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you mean video podcast? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase video podcast since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of videoblog or the shortened vlog for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for video podcast other than the recent buzz factor? Josh -- twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Links -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from
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Damn, Vimeo Vogblogiobating still only gives hits to my domain on Google. My quest for global adoption has failed. - Andreas On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:39:29 +0100, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd guess buzz. A search over at http://inventory.overture.com gives these results for October searches: vlog - 3,199 videoblog - 366 video blog - 6,353 video podcast - 1,360 ipod video - 86,341 Gotta go change my vlog name to Steve Garfield's iPod Video Blog On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:24 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Don't you mean video podcast? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase video podcast since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of videoblog or the shortened vlog for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for video podcast other than the recent buzz factor? --Steve -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
i know. i know. i really do. i'm not mad at you are expect anything blah blah...i'm just saying =)On 11/23/05, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yo to you,On 11/23/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yo, podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of audioblogging and now videoblogging.i absolutely despise it.why? because any term that references a specific product from a specific company that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing.a danger that I mentioned in my email also, you say: To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple way to extend what people already know. wrong.. most peopleknow podcasts as being internet radio... audio!so, in essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term. video radio anyone?I don't agree. they understand it as 'subscribing' to 'something' toget audio. When you add video it's instantly recognizable as'subscribing' to 'something' to get not audio, now video. dont forget, also T Whid, there is establishment in the videoblogging communitywe had vloggercon and several projects and events use 'vlog' in their names.Dont tell us that we should change all that just because an apple video iPod came out shit, i have had a portable video player for over a year no change in terminology and vocabulary required upon purchase.I'm not telling you to change anything I would encourage you to call it whatever you like.But I'm interested in explaining this stuff to people who may not knowanything about it and the shortest possible route presently is 'videopodcast.' Apple, Curry and others are pouring lots of time and dollars in making the podcast term understood by ordinary consumers. Andpresently the way they're defining it is broad enough that it doesn'tconflict with the message I want to get out. Why shouldn't I takeadvantage of the education they're doing? It may come back to bite me in the ass, but for now it seems worth it. sull On 11/23/05, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Josh, It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what or how to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headway as the generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple way to extend what people already know. Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the 'v' stands for video. Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about a website in blog format that also has video and feeds associated with it. Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about the feed and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated with it, but not crucial to it. The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people might become confused and think that it only works with an ipod or is meant to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches of video feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how to use it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree). On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you mean video podcast? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase video podcast since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of videoblog or the shortened vlog for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for video podcast other than the recent buzz factor? Josh -- twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Links --sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregatorhttp://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlogYAHOO! GROUPS LINKSVisit your group videoblogging on the web.To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
These are searches people made NOT results. Lots of people are looking for ipod video, fewer are searching for vlogs. On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: A search over at http://inventory.overture.com gives these results for October searches: vlog - 3,199 videoblog - 366 video blog - 6,353 video podcast - 1,360 ipod video - 86,341 --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
according to those #s, video podcast is doing pretty crappy too :-( On 11/23/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are searches people made NOT results. Lots of people are looking for ipod video, fewer are searching for vlogs. On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Steve Garfield wrote: A search over at http://inventory.overture.com gives these results for October searches: vlog - 3,199 videoblog - 366 video blog - 6,353 video podcast - 1,360 ipod video - 86,341 --Steve -- -- twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
Steve, those statistics are amazing. You are joking about changing the name of your vlog aren't you? Or are you? Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Steve Garfield To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group I'd guess buzz.A search over at http://inventory.overture.com gives these results for October searches:vlog - 3,199videoblog - 366video blog - 6,353video podcast - 1,360ipod video - 86,341Gotta go change my vlog name to "Steve Garfield's iPod Video Blog"On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:24 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: Don't you mean "video podcast"? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase "video podcast" since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of "videoblog" or the shortened "vlog" for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for "video podcast" other than the recent buzz factor?--Steve-- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.comVideo Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.comText Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.comLike Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
I agree with Michael. "Podcast" just sounds ugly. The word brings to mind images like a terribly obese man or a swarm of oysters--if oysters could "swarm". Actually, "video radio" has a nice ring to it. Never heard that term before. I also agree that "podcast" ties everything to the iPod thing. I'm not into iPods or boomboxes so it doesn't resonate with me. Randolfe (Randy) Wicker Videographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality InstituteHoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280 - Original Message - From: Michael Sullivan To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group yo,podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why? because any term that references a specific product from a specific company that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing. also, you say: To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simpleway to extend what people already know. wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio... audio! so, in essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term. video radio anyone?Apple (becoming more and more synonymous with the evil biblic apple) jumped on the term after it was hyped by the likes of Adam Currywhen it finally allowed rss subscriptions in iTunes Fine! makes sense for them... since it's their product being referenced anyway. But what about those who don tuse apple products? Its annoying and not ambiguous, when it should be.Hell, iTunes does video. Change the fricking name of your app then! its not just about tunes, not just about iPods... if anyone should be changing terms, its Apple, not vloggers who actually use video and blogs... oh and "vlog" is just short for videoblog and not looked at as some replacement term for videoblog... web log = blog. same deal.. so what. dont forget, also T Whid, there is establishment in the videoblogging community we had vloggercon and several projects and events use 'vlog' in their names. Dont tell us that we should change all that just because an apple video iPod came out shit, i have had a portable video player for over a year no change in terminology and vocabulary required upon purchase. sull On 11/23/05, T.Whid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Josh,It's more than simple 'buzz factor.' Most people don't know what orhow to connect to media via xml feeds. 'Podcast' is making headway asthe generic term to describe this via Apple's (and others') marketing and promotion. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simpleway to extend what people already know.Vlog isn't good as it is meaningless to anyone that doesn't know the'v' stands for video.Videoblog is better and more precise if you are talking about awebsite in blog format that also has video and feeds associated withit.Video podcast is more precise when talking specifically about the feed and any web site associated with it is simply that, associated withit, but not crucial to it.The dangerous part is if one uses the term 'podcast' people mightbecome confused and think that it only works with an ipod or is meant to be used in association with an ipod. I've seen a few launches ofvideo feeds recently where the only instructions they give on how touse it is to use iTunes. This is a problem (I'm sure you'll agree).On 11/23/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you mean "video podcast"? I'm joking, of course, but I've noticed a lot of people in this group change their weblog title or description to include the phrase "video podcast" since the release of the video iPod. Is this simply to gain a little extra Google-juice with the hopes of snagging those searching for the phrase? I'm personally still on the side of "videoblog" or the shortened "vlog" for a number of reasons... many of them already discussed here... I'm just curious to know if there's another reason people are opting for "video podcast" other than the recent buzz factor? Josh--twhidwww.mteww.com/twhid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery.http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~-Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - -
Re: [videoblogging] for the new people on this group
Wednesday, November 23, 2005, 3:00:58 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote: podcast is utterly the worst word that could have ever come out of audioblogging and now videoblogging. i absolutely despise it. why? because any term that references a specific product from a specific company that is in no way exclsuive to what it is is wrong and confusing. Maybe I'm being naive here. Or maybe it's a British vs American cultural thing, but to me the name podcast has already transcended the name iPod. And I never felt particularly that podcast implied iPod. The way I have always looked at it was that Apple decided to co-opt the existing, but bland, word pod, and use it to coin a new, simple term for the more clumsy but popular MP3 Player. They particularly needed to do this, otherwise the ability of their player to play MP3 files would be seen as it's major purpose, rather than Apple's aim of playing their own DRM format. So the community wins. We now have a new, simple, pronounceable word pod that describes a portable media player without reference to any format, medium or manufacturer. Hurrah! Best of all, the community is free to invent new words to describe things such as the process of subscribing and distributing media for such a player: podcasting. Now, Apple (for whatever reason) like the prefix i. So _their_ media player is called iPod. In the same way that their notebook computer is called iBook. I don't know what it's like where anyone else lives, but around here the overwhelmingly popular name for a media player is still MP3 player. That's what seven-year-olds ask for for their birthdays. Apple's iPod range are just seen as (expensive and pretentious) examples among many. Bottom line, I'm happy to use podcasting and podcast, and to distinguish as appropriate where medium or format is an issue :- MP3 podcasting, Quicktime video podcast, PDF podcast, or whatever. In most cases though, it's much simpler and just as understandable to just say podcast. To simply add 'video' to podcast becomes a very simple way to extend what people already know. wrong.. most people know podcasts as being internet radio... audio! so, in essence, your saying adding video makes sense to prelude an audio term. video radio anyone? Umm. Wasn't the word video itself merely some sort of contraction of vision and radio ? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] for the new people on this group
We've had a lot of new people join in the last month. I want to first extend a welcome to you. We started out in the spring of 2004...and have all learned a lot since then on how to videoblog. look at what we we're making: http://vlogmap.org I know there's been some lively arguing among some established members lately... debate is healthy. But i want to let you know that this list if for you to ask the group questions or share knowledge. We all want to help you get started videoblogging. I cant think of a more qualified group of people to do that. If you are starting from scratchplease visit http://freevlog.org which was made for beginners. If you need to ask questions, please be as specific as possible. if you are new to the group but already have a videoblogintroduce yourself. who are you...your URL...and feed. please email me off-list if none of this makes sense. Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging URL: http://www.momentshowing.net http://feeds.feedburner.com/Momentshowing Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
