Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth. One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion, that others are stealing their bandwidth. If this is so, is the correct solution that people should copy your video to their server and provide the bandwidth for it? That would upset the other half of the folks, the ones who get upset when someone copies their video to their own server and would prefer they just link to their video, so they can track it and see the stats... So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
On 12 Apr 2006, at 13:43, Pete Prodoehl wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth. One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion, that others are stealing their bandwidth. If this is so, is the correct solution that people should copy your video to their server and provide the bandwidth for it? That would upset the other half of the folks, the ones who get upset when someone copies their video to their own server and would prefer they just link to their video, so they can track it and see the stats... So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups? Ask the creator of the video/blog what they would prefer? I honestly think a lot of these problems arise through lack of communication, as seems to have been demonstrated by the whole Veoh thread - once they showed that they would comply with people's wishes regarding their content, opinion shifted significantly towards the positive. This may prove an object- lesson in how to conduct such matters: ask first. Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
This is one of the reason's I get so confused about what is right or correct there never seems to be a clear cut answer, when it goes to questions like this. I know what I do is link to a person site or post itself that way, the person can get the hit and hopefully any comments. But that really only covers vlogs what about a site like youtube? Where it seems it is almost encourged to paste their link into your site...see.confusingor maybe it is just me. PS this has nothing to do with the thread but has anyone else noticed the ads at the bottom of the main page..they are ads to kill fire ants and suchI personally think that is funny as heck Heath- Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth. One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion, that others are stealing their bandwidth. If this is so, is the correct solution that people should copy your video to their server and provide the bandwidth for it? That would upset the other half of the folks, the ones who get upset when someone copies their video to their own server and would prefer they just link to their video, so they can track it and see the stats... So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
If bandwidth is a financial concern to a vodcaster, then they prob should not be vodcasting.They prob should not be doing any promoting of their videoblog and stay out of directories and aggregator services. Courtesy... well, it can be argued that someone who re-hosts your video out of courtesy for bandwidth is also removing that video from your radar no tracking data if its something you care about and that seems to often be discouraged, both by people and by licenses. I would suggest that those who want to prevent bandwidth shock at least make it clear in every post and in every video and through the site that they encourage re-hosting that media with an attribution link to the source site/permalink. You also would be responsible for having proper license to allow others to re-host the media or make it public domain. You cannot encourage people to violate a license. Else, it is the publishers responsibility to add an access control layer to the media.If that is not done... if that effort to send a message to anyone who may be thinking about linking to your video... then it's fair game. You published media on the Open Internet and that means you are giving public access. period.sullOn 4/12/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth.One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion,that others are stealing their bandwidth. If this is so, is the correct solution that people should copy your video to their server and providethe bandwidth for it? That would upset the other half of the folks, theones who get upset when someone copies their video to their own server and would prefer they just link to their video, so they can track it andsee the stats...So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups?Pete--http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future...Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Sullhttp://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Why is it stealing bandwidth to have a bunch of people come watch your video? If the person who linked directly to your video instead linked to your blog post, would you consider that stealing?? Perhaps it seems like stealing if you are reposting something made by someone else -- like you post + host a clip from South Park, expecting the people who watch your South Park clip are going to go to your blog and therefore will see other things you've posted, and now it's upsetting that someone is linking straight to that South Park clip, by passing your work completely... that would seem like stealing bandwidth -- the only thing is, you'd be stealing South Park to do that. If they've linked to a video you've made -- then great!! Of course, you might prefer the viewer of the video gets the full experience, seeing the blog post, your text, etc, but hey -- reality is you won't always have control over that. I teach my students to always think about the fact people will see their videos out of order / some will see them all, others will jump in in the middle... some will see the blog post / read the text -- others will use FireAnt and may or may not read the text... I tell them to always assume the video will get separated from the blog post. The best / clearest way to make sure you get credit / notice for your own video is to put the credit you want to get in the video. Adding www.yoururl.com at the end for 2 seconds does this perfectly. I would _much_ prefer someone links to my video than downloads it and re-uploads it to their server. That way I can see how much traffic the videos are getting, and the viewer can see from the URL the domain of my site, and if they are savvy enough, will delete the end of the URL to see more of the site... It's not stealing bandwidth. I'm hoping to get as much traffic as I can. If I was worried about it costing too much, then I would use ourmedia or blip.tv to host my video. AND - In answer to the original question, it is not fair use to link to directly to someone's video. It's just a normal part of how the internet works. Fair Use is a term that means you are using copyrighted material without a license / without permission, because the common or cultural good that comes from what you are doing outweighs the copyright holder's interests. It's an extension of free speech. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use http://www.centerforsocialmedia.org/fairuse.htm You don't need to invoke fair use to link to something -- linking does not infringe on any copyright restrictions. There is not difference in the law between linking to someone's website, blog entry, audio file, or video file. Linking is linking, and no permission is needed. This question was settled 10 years ago, and without the ability to link freely to anything you want without permission, the internet would be a very very different place. (Can you imagine only being allowed to link to something after getting written permission from the website's owner?? Or a world where people would charge each other money for permission to link?? The web would be a zillion stand-alone islands, and not a WEB if that were the case.) -- jen jenSimmons http://www.jensimmons.com On Apr 12, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote: One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion, that others are stealing their bandwidth.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello Christian,On 4/12/06, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Apr 2006, at 13:43, Pete Prodoehl wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth. One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion, that others are stealing their bandwidth. If this is so, is the correct solution that people should copy your video to their server and provide the bandwidth for it? That would upset the other half of the folks, the ones who get upset when someone copies their video to their own server and would prefer they just link to their video, so they can track it and see the stats... So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups? Ask the creator of the video/blog what they would prefer?I don't think that this can be a long term solution. The reason is that it doesn't scale.Imagine that you, as a vlogger, start getting 1000's of requests per day. How could you possibly keep up with that? (Especially if you aren't making a profit off of it?) This is one of the things the Creative Commons solves. And although I like the Creative Commons licenses, I have a feeling that (although ALOT of people here will and do use it) not everyone here will use it. (And the aim here is to create a solution for everyone, regardless of whether I this everyone should be using copylefted licenses like some of the Creative Commons licenses :-) ) To make it scale, it needs to be automated. To make it automated, it could be done by making s language that expresses this in a machine-readable form. I.e., a machine readable for that expresses the vloggers permissions, requirements, and restrictions. ( I.e., a machine readable license.)I honestly think a lot of these problems arise through lack of communication,as seems to have been demonstrated by the whole Veoh thread - once theyshowed that they would comply with people's wishes regarding theircontent,opinion shifted significantly towards the positive. This may prove an object-lesson in how to conduct such matters: ask first.ChristianSee ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.comdeveloper weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello,On 4/12/06, Heath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[...] PS this has nothing to do with the thread but has anyone else noticedthe ads at the bottom of the main page..they are ads tokill fire ants and suchI personally think that is funny as heckYeah, they are pretty funny.(Most advertising techology today is NOT good at semantic analysis. I could go on about the subject... the math, the theory, the research... but I'll keep it to myself because I doubt anyone here would even be interested in the subject.) See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello Michael,On 4/12/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If bandwidth is a financial concern to a vodcaster, then they prob should not be vodcasting.They prob should not be doing any promoting of their videoblog and stay out of directories and aggregator services. Courtesy... well, it can be argued that someone who re-hosts your video out of courtesy for bandwidth is also removing that video from your radar no tracking data if its something you care about and that seems to often be discouraged, both by people and by licenses. I would suggest that those who want to prevent bandwidth shockThese people should probably only be distributing their videos over P2P technologies. Like BitTorrent or Gnutella or something else that off loads the downloading of the actual video, while still giving the vlogger's server a small hit just to let them know thast the video is being downloaded. at least make it clear in every post and in every video and through the site that they encourage re-hosting That should be done in a machine-readable way so that this process can be automated and so it can scale. that media with an attribution link to the source site/permalink. You also would be responsible for having proper license to allow others to re-host the media or make it public domain. You cannot encourage people to violate a license. I think that's already the case with things some of the Creative Commons liceses. Well, the Share Alike -- Copyleft -- ones anyways. (Maybe othe ones too.) Else, it is the publishers responsibility to add an access control layer to the media. If that is not done... if that effort to send a message to anyone who may be thinking about linking to your video... then it's fair game. You published media on the Open Internet and that means you are giving public access. period.sullSee ya On 4/12/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth.One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion,that others are stealing their bandwidth. If this is so, is the correct solution that people should copy your video to their server and providethe bandwidth for it? That would upset the other half of the folks, theones who get upset when someone copies their video to their own server and would prefer they just link to their video, so they can track it andsee the stats...So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups? [...]-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
On 12 Apr 2006, at 17:17, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups? Ask the creator of the video/blog what they would prefer? I don't think that this can be a long term solution. The reason is that it doesn't scale. I appreciate what you're saying, Charles but... Imagine that you, as a vlogger, start getting 1000's of requests per day. How could you possibly keep up with that? (Especially if you aren't making a profit off of it?) ...if you're getting thousands of requests per day and you're *not* making money, then why not? ;) To make it scale, it needs to be automated. And to automate, we have to hand over some of our decision-making abilities to software. Of course, the problem with that (currently) is the stupidity of software when it comes to context. Only humans can properly decide context, and only a question to one will elicit an answer that you can guarantee fits their wishes. We're kind of entering Turing-test territory - somewhere that no doubt the CC folks have gone and an issue they have pondered long and hard. To illustrate, moments later you wrote in reply to Heath: On 12 Apr 2006, at 17:21, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: PS this has nothing to do with the thread but has anyone else noticed the ads at the bottom of the main page..they are ads to kill fire ants and suchI personally think that is funny as heck Yeah, they are pretty funny. (Most advertising techology today is NOT good at semantic analysis. I could go on about the subject... the math, the theory, the research... but I'll keep it to myself because I doubt anyone here would even be interested in the subject.) QED :) Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
On Apr 12, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello Jen, I'm going to ask the following, not because I'm trying to be difficult, but because I think it needs to be asked What if the way I'm linking to someone else's video is by putting it in an HTML embed> or object> element so that the video play in my webpage instead of the original author's webpage. Is that still OK? (Note, by asking that I'm not trying to imply that I don't think that is OK. I'm just wasn't sure if you considered that when you said what you said.) See ya That's a good question. The embedding will make it seem like the content is on the secondary site (and perhaps made by that blog's owner), since most people don't understand how websites are built. But still I think I feel the same way. Link away ... This just proposes another reason to be sure to credit yourself / your site / your project / the appropriate people in the video, rather than expecting the viewers will see the blog post that goes with the video. For me personally, I think I would be fine if someone posts my video into their site... then again, I'm expecting that people will off-load work and host it on theirs. I've got a film (http://www.bushforpeace.us) that's being distributed on several websites (with permission / contracts) -- and then one of those parties uploaded it to Google video, and meanwhile I've seen it on bittorrent... When we put the video online three years ago, we wanted it to go viral + hoped it would circulate widely. I wish all the views were on my website, just so I could get realistic stats about how popular it is / when interest peaks and wanes and peaks again / who's watching it... etc. But, a las. The internet just doesn't work that way. I was a bit freaked out when I saw a copy on Google video -- but hey -- I didn't make that film so I could get credit and website traffic! (What would I be getting from the webstats really anyway?) I made the film to be seen, and seen as widely as possible. It's probably better for my ego-based-hunger for praise to simply have no idea how many people see it (or not). It has its own life and wanders the net without me. People see it or not... It's like a child who's over 21 and doesn't call home much. And I'm very very glad it's traveling the globe... I know that's not quite what you are asking. But I think it is important to remember why we make work and what are deepist wishes are for it -- even as we get pulled into all the talk about what's legal and how we might make money... jen jenSimmons http://www.jensimmons.com
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello Pete,On 4/12/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth.One of the problems is see is that some folks have the above opinion,that others are stealing their bandwidth. If this is so, is the correct solution that people should copy your video to their server and providethe bandwidth for it? That would upset the other half of the folks, theones who get upset when someone copies their video to their own server and would prefer they just link to their video, so they can track it andsee the stats...So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups?Currently, I don't think both groups can be satisfied. (And that's a big problem for us as a group.) But... here's what I said somewhere else in this thread that I think addresses this I think what we need here is a technological advancement.People seem to want to get their statisics. And people want to be in control. But they don't actually want to have to serve the huge video files. (Because that costs alot of money.) This is a case where P2P technology (like BitTorrent or Gnutella) could come to be a solution. You'd hit the vloggers server; that server would be able to gather statistics, and then it would tell the client to go get the video off a P2P system (like BitTorrent or Gnutella). Of course, this doesn't address other concerns. (Like misrepresentation. And commercial use.) But I think it is part of a solution to our problem.You know, we as vloggers should create a road map for what we want software (that deals with vloggers) to support. And try to get all the players in the area on-board with our road map. And implement it. See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Fireant Individual Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello,On 4/12/06, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12 Apr 2006, at 17:17, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: So what's the solution that will satisfy both groups? Ask the creator of the video/blog what they would prefer? I don't think that this can be a long term solution.The reason is that it doesn't scale.I appreciate what you're saying, Charles but... Imagine that you, as a vlogger, start getting 1000's of requests per day.How could you possibly keep up with that?(Especially if you aren't making a profit off of it?)...if you're getting thousands of requests per day and you're *not*making money, then why not? ;)Some people have other motives besides monetization -- money. For example, I tend to release alot of the software I write under the GNU GPL. (It's a copyleft license used that's used for Free and Open Source software.) I don't make any money off of it. But I choose to make it Free anyways. (I choose to do this because I believe it helps people.) Or better yet, think of Wikipedia. (I contribute to that too.) It's licensed in a Free way (using a copyleft license). They don't make any money off of it. But they have to pay for the bandwidth they use. (There's even videos on there too.) Many many other re-host their content. (And they're Free to do that.) And embedded within Wikipedia there is all sorts of data on licensing and copyright (on every piece of text, every image, every video, etc). Software can then automatically tell what permissions, requirements, and restrictions is has with everything and anything in Wikipedia. To make it scale, it needs to be automated.And to automate, we have to hand over some of our decision-making abilities to software. Of course, the problem with that (currently)is the stupidity of software when it comes to context. Only humanscan properly decide context, I wonder about some humans :-) and only a question to one will elicitan answer that you can guarantee fits their wishes. We're kind of entering Turing-test territory - somewhere that no doubt the CC folkshave gone and an issue they have pondered long and hard.I think if we accept that the author's wishes can be expressed in a license, then we can automate it. (Just look a Wikipedia for an example.) To illustrate, moments later you wrote in reply to Heath:On 12 Apr 2006, at 17:21, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: PS this has nothing to do with the thread but has anyone else noticed the ads at the bottom of the main page..they are ads to kill fire ants and suchI personally think that is funny as heck Yeah, they are pretty funny. (Most advertising techology today is NOT good at semantic analysis.I could go on about the subject... the math, the theory, the research... but I'll keep it to myself because I doubt anyone here would even be interested in the subject.)QED :):-DSee ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.comdeveloper weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello,On 4/12/06, Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 12, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:[...] I've got a film(http://www.bushforpeace.us) I've never seen that before. That's really like it!(I sent it to some of my friends, and they complained about it being in QuickTime. Just thought I'd pass that along. Not trying to get you to do anything about it.) You know, if you're OK with people redistributing it, you might want to give it a Creative Commons license. That way search engines and other machines/software that understand Creative Commons information would pick it up. (For example, both Yahoo! and Google lets you restrict your searches to things licensed under a Creative Commons license. Alot of people do search that way. And if your was licensed that way it would show up there.) Just something to consider.See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Jen Simmons wrote: post. The best / clearest way to make sure you get credit / notice for your own video is to put the credit you want to get in the video. Adding www.yoururl.com at the end for 2 seconds does this perfectly. This brings up a question I've had, I put the URL of my site at the end of every video I've created, but more than once I've seen that when my videos got transcoded from QuickTime to Flash that the end (the last few seconds) disappears. I've seen this on YouTube and on Blip.tv - I'm assuming that some weird thing happens when the video is converted. It's always bothered me, because the video completely loses the link with my site. Has anyone else seen this? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
I've noticed this, too, and it's been driving me crazy. I'm going to bring this up with our Flash transcoding system vendor. Yours, Mike Co-founder, blip.tv --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jen Simmons wrote: post. The best / clearest way to make sure you get credit / notice for your own video is to put the credit you want to get in the video. Adding www.yoururl.com at the end for 2 seconds does this perfectly. This brings up a question I've had, I put the URL of my site at the end of every video I've created, but more than once I've seen that when my videos got transcoded from QuickTime to Flash that the end (the last few seconds) disappears. I've seen this on YouTube and on Blip.tv - I'm assuming that some weird thing happens when the video is converted. It's always bothered me, because the video completely loses the link with my site. Has anyone else seen this? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hi Charles, I think if we accept that the author's wishes can be expressed in a license, then we can automate it. I don't disagree with this - was merely pointing out how big that 'if' can be. I happen to see the noble pursuit of the general purpose machine-readable license as just that - a pursuit. Just look at the divergence of opinion expressed here to see how far we are from a satisfactory solution that everyone respects. Ultimately, machine- readability is also communication - and as I suggested earlier, that's what's lacking in most disputes. Christian Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Re-hosting a video may not be legal due to the specific video's copyright. In addition, there may be issues with embedding a video into your branded site due to misrepresentation. However, hot linking is here to stay... Take hot out of this buzzword and it is nothing new. The inherent nature of the Internet allows us to link to files that are on the network. A vlogger may prefer that viewers come to their site to watch their videos, but this is not a requirement. Aggregators that support media enclosures are hot linking. Bloglines and the other text readers offer a link directly to the video, and we are able to watch videos in FireANT and iTunes. All this without ever visiting the site. iTunes is considered the worst since it doesn't offer comment links and no clear site links. In addition, they promote an iTunes-based comment page rather than the content owner's page. And this is where vloggers get their feelings hurt... I'll admit - I too get frustrated by direct vid links, but the fact is that over 94% of Ridertech's subscribers come from iTunes and rarely (if ever) visit the web site. But what can I do about this? The first step was to add branding into the videos (aka intros/outros). The fear of hot linking may actually be holding us back. Rather than getting pissed, we should each have a revlog (w/ direct media links). This can be done w/ a whole new blog or simply start tagging videos in del.icio.us. Of course, site and feed links are a nice courtesy if you are going to link to someone's video, but it is not required and cannot be expected. -Matt http://vlogmap.org http://ridertech.com http://leanbackvids.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Nerissa, So you're suggesting that instead of hot linking that people should re-host the video? Because that's one of things that people here were saying was bad. And people were slamming Veoh for doing it. (I think the issue of bandwidth would become a non-issue if there was no cost or a negligible cost. We really need to push P2P technologies for distribution more, so that this can become a reality.) See ya On 4/10/06, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidth then you are stealing bandwidth. Jsut becuase a video is free to share or download, doesnt mean you are free to use (without permission) something very costly -- bandwidth. In these cases of individuals hosting their own videos, you should always download and host the videos that they are sharing --or ask permission to use their bandwidth. Nerissa My question is Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video? (People would probably call this hot linking.) NOTE: I'm NOT talking about re-hosting or transcoding. This would be getting the video straight from the vloggers site. Nerissa Oden http://TheVideoQueen.com http://FreeMediaGuide.com http://FreeVideoCoding.com http://FreeVideoEditing.com http://Nebelungs.blogspot.com My Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/ http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/ [...] -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello,On 4/11/06, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you're suggesting that instead of hot linking that people should re-host the video? Yes. Because that's one of things that people here were saying was bad. And people were slamming Veoh for doing it. I didnt read the veoh thread. But Veoh isa business entity, not a person. A business cannot (should not) share your content for business purposes without your express permission. I've had people hijack my bandwidth by grabbing the direct url to my video content on my host only to embed that link ina player on their website. They were popular websites and generated more views of my videos than I did (translate bandwidth). But there were no links back to me or my website, no credit gicen to me. That's hijacking bandwidth (and content in my case becasue I only give permission to share my article/blogs in their entriety.) I think what we need here is a technological advancement.People seem to want to get their statisics. And people want to be in control. But they don't actually want to have to serve the huge video files. (Because that costs alot of money.) This is a case where P2P technology (like BitTorrent or Gnutella) could come to be a solution. You'd hit the vloggers server; that server would be able to gather statistics, and then it would tell the client to go get the video off a P2P system (like BitTorrent or Gnutella). Of course, this doesn't address other concerns. (Like misrepresentation. And commercial use.) But I think it is part of a solution to our problem.You know, we as vloggers should create a road map for what we want software (that deals with vloggers) to support. And try to get all the players in the area on-board with our road map. And implement it. See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidththen you are stealing bandwidth. Jsut becuase a video is free to share or download, doesnt mean you are free touse (without permission) something very costly --bandwidth. In these cases of individuals hosting their own videos, you should always download and host the videos that they are sharing --or ask permission to use their bandwidth.Nerissa My question is Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video? (People would probably call this "hot linking".) NOTE: I'm NOT talking about re-hosting or transcoding. This would be getting the video straight from the vloggers site.Nerissa Odenhttp://TheVideoQueen.comhttp://FreeMediaGuide.comhttp://FreeVideoCoding.comhttp://FreeVideoEditing.comhttp://Nebelungs.blogspot.comMy Groups:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/* Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video?
Hello Nerissa,So you're suggesting that instead of hot linking that people should re-host the video?Because that's one of things that people here were saying was bad. And people were slamming Veoh for doing it. (I think the issue of bandwidth would become a non-issue if there was no cost or a negligible cost. We really need to push P2P technologies for distribution more, so that this can become a reality.)See ya On 4/10/06, Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you link to videos that I host and pay for bandwidththen you are stealing bandwidth. Jsut becuase a video is free to share or download, doesnt mean you are free touse (without permission) something very costly --bandwidth. In these cases of individuals hosting their own videos, you should always download and host the videos that they are sharing --or ask permission to use their bandwidth. Nerissa My question is Is it Fair Use to link directly to a vlog's video? (People would probably call this hot linking.) NOTE: I'm NOT talking about re-hosting or transcoding. This would be getting the video straight from the vloggers site. Nerissa Odenhttp://TheVideoQueen.com http://FreeMediaGuide.comhttp://FreeVideoCoding.com http://FreeVideoEditing.comhttp://Nebelungs.blogspot.comMy Groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videobloggingbusiness/http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/videowomen/ [...]-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
