Re: [videoblogging] why it's important to get angry
While we're at it how come no-one is getting mad about iTunes not providing any permalinks or link backs back to the original blog post? It's something that's infuriated me since iTunes has come out. Apple is using vloggers and podcasters to drive millions of people through the itunes directory to sell them mainstream media off the backs of our traffic. Tell me who the fuck else is encouraging people to download itunes? Who has thousands and thousands of links from websites all over the web that launch itunes and take people directly into the itunes store? Is it music labels and movie houses. I don't fucking think so, and apple doesn't even have the courtesy to throw me a goddam permalink. So forgive me if I say what the fuck... why do you care so much about heavy making money off your shit without giving you a little attrib and a link back and not iTunes!? Is it because MyHeavy is so damn obvious... or is because MyHeavy does it in a web browser and apple does it in a piece of software? If you want to sue someone sue Apple. They're dienfranchising thousands of podcasters and videobloggers and depriving them of tremendous amounts of opprotunities to connect with their users and provide them with ads... or sell them their own independant music and movies that by the way isn't in it the iTunes store. Nope! You're the free advertising that brings people in to sell them the real music and advertising. Congrats! Apple itunes... add it to to the list of youtube to places the independant media maker builds all the value and yet makes none of the money. For christ sake I can't believe I have to point it out again... you know all that shit from vloggercon about the internet not coming to your front door... while it's not just about net neutrality, it's already happening and I can't find enough videobloggers and podcasters who give a shit to tell apple we won't stand for it. So fcuk it. I'm a one man chorus on the give me some damn permalinks in itunes front. But maybe we can kick around heavy.. someone who might actualy do something for us. Peace, -Mike On 1/4/07, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And since it's earlly days still, I think we HAVE to shout out about this. We have to make a fuzz. We have to sue, if necessary. If not, 100s of other companies will do the same. We have to set the rules, or they will set them, and that won't be good. And that's why it's good to get angry. Because it makes us take the time to send that email, although we know we won't get a response, to write that blogpost, although it's just a blogpost, to digg that digglink, and so on. agreed. As Peter metioned in his talk at Vloggeron, companies will still listen to us in these early days. we are all helping shape the way online video works in these social networks. We can help shape the healthy habits. Video sites should provide linkbacks to the original blog post/hosting page. This should be normal and obvious. I also host much of my video on Blip.tv because it is the only video hosting site that allows me to attach a CC license to my video when I upload. (there should be more!) This license is in the Blip RSS feed. Any company can read the feed and see how they can use my video. This should be normal and obvious. If we dont speak up as Creators in these early daysno one will care when bad habits are formed and everyone is making money down the line. Remember, we are not talking about spam blogs who are impossible to deal withexcept through URL redirects. These are funded companies who are trying to do legitimate business. I have no hate for MyHeavy; I assume they'll fix their habits after today. Veoh and Network2 did a great job becoming more responsible. We're building an ecologyand what Creators want need to be in the center. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [videoblogging] why it's important to get angry
I'm a one man chorus on the give me some damn permalinks in itunes front. But maybe we can kick around heavy.. someone who might actualy do something for us. It's a little different-- I volunteered for iTunes. I didn't volunteer for Heavy. A linkback off of iTunes has never seemed like that big of a deal to me, and iTunes in no way jeopardizes my mission of not being commercial and does not jeopardize my relationships with people who give me free content. MyHeavy didn't ask me, turned my intentionally non-commercial venture commercial, didn't even offer to share, and did do something that could have strained my relationships with people who give me things for free. I really don't care about not getting paid if I volunteer for it. I don't care if someone profits from my work if I volunteer for it, either. I do care when someone does those things without asking me and runs the risk of putting me in an awkward position with other people. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime
Re: [videoblogging] why it's important to get angry
When I see a company stealing my video, putting their ads on it, not respecting with attribution or linkbacks, I get angry. I don't think it's because someone is profiting of my work. It's more like, they are *breaking* this new world we are trying to build. They are going against the reason why we are doing all of this, a possibility of a future where we do own our media, at least part of it. I'm not afraid to admit that I am mad that someone else is earning revenues from my work. Here's why-- establishing the bare-bones studio we now have has cost me very dearly. It's not only cost me money, which I don't mind parting with. It's cost me serious amounts of time. This is time I've diverted away from other things in my life, like working on my doctoral thesis. I've put all this labor into Freetime because I've believed in what I was doing and have believed that, in time, Freetime would begin to move under its own momentum. I've never taken a dime of revenue from my work. The most I've ever taken in compensation was a couple of free dinners when I spent a month working on a music video for a band. I've not tried to put a revenue model into Freetime because I haven't come up with a way to do it that didn't insult the subscribers or start to make Freetime become about making money. Freetime has had a financial goal of at best, break even, which is something that I figured we might do through revenues that don't come directly from Freetime. So, where I take umbrage is that MyHeavy.com has basically made it a fait accompli. They're now out there using my videos to create direct revenue through money-making models that I consider insulting to my audience. Moreover, they don't care. They didn't come to me and ask how I felt about the use of my content in such a way. I wouldn't have consented, even if they offered to share the money with me. I don't want my work being used in that fashion. It's more important that I preserve the cultural qualities of the project over any business model, because, for this project, I consider those to be most valuable. So, yes, I'm mad that they're making money off of it because they're basically making money by debasing my content. I'm even more mad that they're doing it without my consent. I'm even more mad than that because they know that they're doing it without my consent and they think that I won't notice, care, or stand up for myself. I'm also mad because they're also either using their made-up base of videos to fleece investors or their investors are just as crooked. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime
Re: [videoblogging] why it's important to get angry
And since it's earlly days still, I think we HAVE to shout out about this. We have to make a fuzz. We have to sue, if necessary. If not, 100s of other companies will do the same. We have to set the rules, or they will set them, and that won't be good. And that's why it's good to get angry. Because it makes us take the time to send that email, although we know we won't get a response, to write that blogpost, although it's just a blogpost, to digg that digglink, and so on. agreed. As Peter metioned in his talk at Vloggeron, companies will still listen to us in these early days. we are all helping shape the way online video works in these social networks. We can help shape the healthy habits. Video sites should provide linkbacks to the original blog post/hosting page. This should be normal and obvious. I also host much of my video on Blip.tv because it is the only video hosting site that allows me to attach a CC license to my video when I upload. (there should be more!) This license is in the Blip RSS feed. Any company can read the feed and see how they can use my video. This should be normal and obvious. If we dont speak up as Creators in these early daysno one will care when bad habits are formed and everyone is making money down the line. Remember, we are not talking about spam blogs who are impossible to deal withexcept through URL redirects. These are funded companies who are trying to do legitimate business. I have no hate for MyHeavy; I assume they'll fix their habits after today. Veoh and Network2 did a great job becoming more responsible. We're building an ecologyand what Creators want need to be in the center. Jay -- Here I am http://jaydedman.com
Re: [videoblogging] why it's important to get angry DO SOMETHING
Rhett, I envision you reading this as a statement from behind a podium. What if we all made solid articulate speeches, in a standard, 'mainstream' media environment. It should be easy for us to put together a podium and some decent lighting to at least replicate a 'mainstream' standard of broadcast. A statement like this, Rhett, read in a professional manner, accompanied by a bunch of others, could be a nice personal statement of our capability, our vision and our values. Personal statements are very important. I did a piece last year that made a national impact on the attempted destruction of Social Security. Right after this there was a rush to put a human face on Social Security. Check it out: http://www.dailykos.com/story/ 2005/2/21/4231/23967 . The issue was dead in 3 weeks. Personal appeals for fairness from the Person of the Year vs. de- regulation for corporate interests and other for profit legislation. The PR matchup looks good on paper. Of course it could be terribly boring, but we are all right here on the cutting edge of this medium. We know what it's all about. Perhaps this could be our play to be 'experts'. I haven't been that politically active, as I've been trying to start and maintain a business, but I do know that regular old people need to hear from the people on this list. My township council meeting last night glossed right over the 'local control of cable' fiasco that the corporate media are pushing here in Michigan. It was little more than half a sentence from the council member that attended a meeting. This is great stuff, Rhett. I am sure you could deliver it with passion and conviction. We all could. If that were played side by side with the shuck and jive of a media cartel CEO Net Neutrality would be a slam dunk. Maybe my councilman could have googled a video that told a different story about Net Neutrality and the attempted stamping out of an open and free internet by corporate interests I know that I am conflating only semi-related issues, but they have the same core. blah, blah, blah Cheers, Ron Watson http://k9disc.blip.tv http://k9disc.com http://pawsitivevybe.com/vlog http://pawsitivevybe.com On Jan 4, 2007, at 11:00 AM, J. Rhett Aultman wrote: When I see a company stealing my video, putting their ads on it, not respecting with attribution or linkbacks, I get angry. I don't think it's because someone is profiting of my work. It's more like, they are *breaking* this new world we are trying to build. They are going against the reason why we are doing all of this, a possibility of a future where we do own our media, at least part of it. I'm not afraid to admit that I am mad that someone else is earning revenues from my work. Here's why-- establishing the bare-bones studio we now have has cost me very dearly. It's not only cost me money, which I don't mind parting with. It's cost me serious amounts of time. This is time I've diverted away from other things in my life, like working on my doctoral thesis. I've put all this labor into Freetime because I've believed in what I was doing and have believed that, in time, Freetime would begin to move under its own momentum. I've never taken a dime of revenue from my work. The most I've ever taken in compensation was a couple of free dinners when I spent a month working on a music video for a band. I've not tried to put a revenue model into Freetime because I haven't come up with a way to do it that didn't insult the subscribers or start to make Freetime become about making money. Freetime has had a financial goal of at best, break even, which is something that I figured we might do through revenues that don't come directly from Freetime. So, where I take umbrage is that MyHeavy.com has basically made it a fait accompli. They're now out there using my videos to create direct revenue through money-making models that I consider insulting to my audience. Moreover, they don't care. They didn't come to me and ask how I felt about the use of my content in such a way. I wouldn't have consented, even if they offered to share the money with me. I don't want my work being used in that fashion. It's more important that I preserve the cultural qualities of the project over any business model, because, for this project, I consider those to be most valuable. So, yes, I'm mad that they're making money off of it because they're basically making money by debasing my content. I'm even more mad that they're doing it without my consent. I'm even more mad than that because they know that they're doing it without my consent and they think that I won't notice, care, or stand up for myself. I'm also mad because they're also either using their made-up base of videos to fleece investors or their investors are just as crooked. -- Rhett. http://www.weatherlight.com/freetime [Non-text portions of this
