Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On Nov 30, 2005, at 3:19 AM, Enric wrote: --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but they're conversations for other forums (where I have been publishing about the intersection of film and hypertext for 10 years, see also Clara mancini's recent Cinematic Hypertext) Yes, this is not the forum to parse this. ;) I still think there's a logical leap from film viewer of an edit to a person clicking on hypertext. But it's not here to hash out. Why not? Verdi Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2jUsvC/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:13:38 +0100, Adrian Miles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: around the 23/11/05 Lucas Gonze mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text that: Any idea where video is in there, Andreas? video as most of us think of it is indexical in the first instance. An index is a sign where there is a *necessary* existential relation between the sign and the thing. Which is fancy pragmatic American philosophy (this comes from C.S. Peirce, famous US philosopher) speak for the thing the sign stands for had to be there. eg smoke as sign of fire. This is partly basis of my argument in the essay i did on blogs as a form documentary. Disclaimer: I read your article, but it's been a couple of weeks so I may have gotten stuff mixed up afterwards. I have also only read secondary literatur about Peirce because 100 year-old philosophy in English is harder to read than the essays of Adrian Miles. :o) To me it's hard to look at video in general, because you can do so much with video that it's hard to say 'video is indexical'. With that said I was surprised to see little talk about photography and video as icons. Yes, video is connected to what was recorded, but largely it convey its ideas by imitating them (a very good imitation, often). So I see video as being primary iconic with indexical signs at certain points (Columbia University subway sign as an index for a certain part of NYC). But like I said video is so complex that it contains all types of signs in one happy unison. Voice-overs as symbols (apart from onomatopoetic words), parts of film grammar are symbols as well. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
around the 23/11/05 Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text that: Cinema is non-linear before you decide on the edit as well. And when hypertext is read it too become linear (you choose one path out of a group of possibles). The difference is that there is one central person doing the edit in cinema whereas in hypertext the edit is performed individually with each reading. The point is that in cinema is that the in-between clips is part of the meaning and the same in true in hypertext (with the reader creating good points which i'd forgotten. when you are editing film there is no intrinsic point at which it *has* be cut (yes rules of continuity but they are not rules of grammar, all films remain understandable if they cross the line, break continuity etc), and also cutting doesn't 'break' the shot. A 30 second close up of gun is still a close up of gun if it is 10 seconds. (this makes them very different to words.) this is one aspect of film's granularity, which blogs have appropriated (my remark that hyperrtext is cinema's revenge on word). you link from a part to another part (shorten shot A and link to a shortened Shot B) and it creates new meanings. link from blog post (part of post) to blog post. NOT blog to blog. it is parts to parts. etc etc. (all this is old hat for hypertext, blogs, etc. the only novelty if that is seeing that these relations have always been present in cinema). -- cheers Adrian Miles this email is bloggable [ ] ask first [ ] private [x] hypertext.RMIT URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/admin/briefEmail.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 18:59:15 +0100, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me expand on what I meant. For a start the term 'war on text' is supposed to be tongue in cheek, as the 'War On Terror' is one of the most stupid things Ive ever come across. Adrian Miles wrote this some years ago: While Michael Joyce once, rather famously, commented that hypertext is the word's revenge on TV (Joyce, 1995: 47) I'd like to suggest that hypertext is in fact cinema's revenge on the word, and what I am interested in exploring is the word's remaking of itself in the light of the cinematic. This 'allure of the cinematic' as the expression of an always immanent cinematic force probably takes various forms, however through the comparison of a particular cinematic moment or gesture - the edit - in the light of a particular hypertextual moment or gesture - the link, this force is given, in some manner, corporeal expression. Anyway, food for thought. the entire thing is online at: URL: http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/essays/cinema_paradigms/introduction.html - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
We recently had an exercise here at DivX where we charted global changes based on media paradigms. Starting with written words bringing about commerce in Mesopotamia through the very recent concept of mass shared experiences. It is interesting that the format of media can limit not only how you express yourself, but what is possible to be expressed. It isn't a stretch to translate the format of media into a limiting factor on what is possible to be thought as well. We obviously believe that digital media, in general, is a shift as profound as the advent of writing itself. Digital video is a very rich subset of digital media. Digital media isn't an assault on any previous craft of media, but an enabler. The limits of digital expression in text are certainly not exhausted. However, it is much more mature than personal expression through video. Innovation in technology, production and spirit are happening in digital video expression on a daily basis. Jim V From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:59 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text The most asinine idea ever? Wow I must be getting somewhere :) Let me expand on what I meant. For a start the term 'war on text' is supposed to be tongue in cheek, as the 'War On Terror' is one of the most stupid things Ive ever come across. Secondly Im a massive hypocrite on this issue because Ive posted about million words here over the last year but only 3 videos. But that doesnt stop me hating the downside of text, such as how arguments/debates end up going when done via text. I dont think your version if history tells the full story because its missing out the fact of just how many people were and still are illiterate. In this sense text can be great barrier, a great divider, a great unequalizer and tool of maintaining the status quo and keeping people in their place. These sorts of things along with language barriers make me dream of computers that required no understanding of the written word in order to be used, quite a challenge, but that no excuse for the world never trying this stuff. I really like this quote from the film 'A Fistful of Dynamite', which doesnt quite fit this topic but overlaps it a bit in my mind: The people who read the books, they go to the poor people, and they say we have to have a revolution. So the poor people go out and make the revolution. And then the people who read the books, they sit around the fancy tables and talk. And what has happened to the poor people ? They are DEAD !!. And then the whole fucking shit starts all over again. Dont talk to me about revolutions. OK I dot really want a war on text, as if such a thing was possible. But I do favour text being used where it works best, and as many lively discussions as possible taking place via video instead. I am currently considering whether to throw my hat into the ring of people using flash comm server (now flash media server) to deliver interesting video services on the web, I'll do anything to get rid of the text version of me which I consider to be even more of a nghtmare than the multimedia version of me lol. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War on Text? This is the most asinine idea that I have ever encountered. First off, we're talking about a natural evolution that will or won't occur whether or not you decide to declare a supposed war on text. Secondly, let's look at this historically, prior to the invention of the telephone, people wrote letters and many of these letters were quite eloquent; just watch a Ken Burns doc. Suddenly the telephone allowed us to communicate instantaneously and allowed us to have the banal conversations we have every day even when our loved ones were away. This point marks the decline of letter writing. Before there was radio and then TV, books were a more prevalent form of entertainment, and there is something to be said about the literary value of a well-written book that simply isn't comparable through video. I can list dozens more reasons why text is a valuable part of our culture, and the very fact that you're engaging in this dialogue through a written mailing list proves it. So please tell me why you want to embark upon a war on text? Really the whole idea is needlessly provocative and altogether spooky... Josh The Revolution Will Be Televised www.joshwolf.net On Nov 22, 2005, at 7:56 PM, Joan Khoo wrote: I'm not so keen on the war on text. Don't get me wrong, I love audio and video as a medium. But I also have a love interest with the written word. As much as I love to watch what everyone else is doing and feeling, sometimes I prefer to let my imagination take hold when reading a text. -Joan On 11/23
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:15:08 +0100, Enric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see the relationship. Cinema and the subset of the edit is linear, hypertext is non-linear. This seems more poetic simile mismatch than illuminating. It was just a quote. Obviously it helps to read it all. :o) Cinema is non-linear before you decide on the edit as well. And when hypertext is read it too become linear (you choose one path out of a group of possibles). The difference is that there is one central person doing the edit in cinema whereas in hypertext the edit is performed individually with each reading. The point is that in cinema is that the in-between clips is part of the meaning and the same in true in hypertext (with the reader creating the in-betweens, making a huge change). Did that help at all? - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On Nov 23, 2005, at 9:59 AM, Steve Watkins wrote: The most asinine idea ever? Wow I must be getting somewhere :) Let me expand on what I meant. For a start the term 'war on text' is supposed to be tongue in cheek, as the 'War On Terror' is one of the most stupid things Ive ever come across. Tongue in cheek or not, not everyone out there seems to realize just how antithetic the entire idea of an armed war against terror really is. By the same token, people could, though probably not, take the War on Text seriously, as I said: Really the whole idea is needlessly provocative and altogether spooky... Secondly Im a massive hypocrite on this issue because Ive posted about million words here over the last year but only 3 videos. But that doesnt stop me hating the downside of text, such as how arguments/debates end up going when done via text. Although it's true that there is a much greater tendency to get cruel and personal through text-based arguments. I'd prefer to think that not everyone suffers from this neurosis that results in countless ad hominid attacks, and debates over text can frequently result in a much more comprehensive discussion of the issue than what might be brought up in a a/v conversation. I dont think your version if history tells the full story because its missing out the fact of just how many people were and still are illiterate. That's completely true Steve, but to suggest that the solution is for us to equalize the great divide by abandoning the written language. Oh wait, maybe I suddenly get it... it's almost like dropping white phosphorous on women and children in Fallujah in a war against WMDS. That probably seems harsh, but dude, computers and the internet are obviously just as great a barrier, divider, and unequalizer, and just as strong a tool that threatens to maintain the status quo (although they don't do a good job at keeping people in place, but neither do books.) Yes, the $100 laptop could theoretically change all of this, but Negroponte's project still seems more like a pipe dream to me and wouldn't help those who are functionally illiterate within the US. In this sense text can be great barrier, a great divider, a great unequalizer and tool of maintaining the status quo and keeping people in their place. These sorts of things along with language barriers make me dream of computers that required no understanding of the written word in order to be used, quite a challenge, but that no excuse for the world never trying this stuff. I really like this quote from the film 'A Fistful of Dynamite', which doesnt quite fit this topic but overlaps it a bit in my mind: The people who read the books, they go to the poor people, and they say we have to have a revolution. So the poor people go out and make the revolution. And then the people who read the books, they sit around the fancy tables and talk. And what has happened to the poor people ? They are DEAD !!. And then the whole fucking shit starts all over again. Dont talk to me about revolutions. OK I dot really want a war on text, as if such a thing was possible. But I do favour text being used where it works best, and as many lively discussions as possible taking place via video instead. I am currently considering whether to throw my hat into the ring of people using flash comm server (now flash media server) to deliver interesting video services on the web, I'll do anything to get rid of the text version of me which I consider to be even more of a nghtmare than the multimedia version of me lol. So I basically agree with you here... to the extent that, I think people need to not feel limited to only communicating via text. I think cell phones are starting to change the way people view different mediums. Now that you can send photos and videos to your friends from your phone, I think people are beginning to liberate themselves from only communicating simply with language. That's cool. But for me it's all about finding your voice, not assigning boxes for where text is and is not appropriate. When they give you lined paper write the other way. -- Juan Ramon Jiminez Josh -- www.joshwolf.net Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Josh Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War on Text? This is the most asinine idea that I have ever encountered. First off, we're talking about a natural evolution that will or won't occur whether or not you decide to declare a supposed war on text. Secondly, let's look at this historically, prior to the invention of the telephone, people wrote letters and many of these letters were quite eloquent; just watch a Ken Burns doc. Suddenly the telephone allowed us to communicate instantaneously and allowed us to have the banal conversations we have every day even when our loved ones were away. This point marks the decline of letter writing. Before there was radio and then
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
does anyone study history? i see comments stating implicitly or explicitly that video will (note use of future tense, that's a clue folks) have the same profound effect as writing. ha ha ha. the effect of the masses being taught to read/write changed EVERYTHING in europe (i was born there, now live in north america, so i'll leave my observations to these places)... no western culture would exist in any recognizable form without writing/print... this is not an exaggeration: read about events following the black plague, memory cathedrals, martin luther, etc and it's affect on society. (one interesting example is none of us can remember much compared to those who lived before) video's not close to that and is unlikely to be: no fundamental institutions have yet formed from the existence of video... no social hierarchies of any importance (videobloggers are clearly more important than anyone else on the planet but leaving that aside...) have developed either... yes, hollywood generates celebrities people who are accorded higher social status in a mundane way, but this phenomena has been around a very long time, it isn't new; gladiators for instance. but even more importantly... in my opinion, before video will replace text, something will replace video. new technologies have already been developed that are more likely to play a large role in communications over this century... here's a couple i recently read: how about the one that can directly interface to the brain (new scientist reports on electroencephalography with quadriplegics able to make a wheelchair move forward, left or right)... considering the full implications of devices like this, it's not hard to see where the real revolutions will occur in communications. developments in hormones allow people to bottle emotional states. (look up Oxytocin's and the University of Zurich)... what artist wouldn't want to get their hands on something like that? (not to mention politicians, frustrated lovers, etc) UPSIDE so easy to be critical... one really should reveal one's own preferences. where i do feel video steps up and above is regarding tangible experiences. reading travel books has nothing on even the most amateur video footage taken in some far-off location. the subtle interplay of facial features, etc gives clear messages that'd never translate as well in text form. my videoblogs otherwise are usually quite amateurish technically, but they capture an emotion nicely... more pro ones tend to be overly concerned with polish rather than content. there's also a sense of lack-of-control (i dunno why it worked out so good, but check it out! type of blogs) which i enjoy. serendipity. newscast blogs are ok, but the regard i have for them stems from their social function... they blog stuff corporate newscasters won't touch, or think is unimportant, or is unsuited to their political agenda. blogs in the omg i'm so special style are ok in small doses... easy to relate to cuz hey! I am the most important person in my universe... and i would hope everyone else feels the same about themselves in their universe... but i'll only watch a few before moving on to someone else. CONCLUSION video's just another tool in the arsenal we have to communicate. a statement like war on text implies such a narrow vision of what experiences are worth sharing... i can't imagine how drab and dull things would be, tho if i go back and re-read 1984 perhaps i'll have an idea. later rob ps ~ someone wrote that video is non-linear... only from a creators perspective... the audience has no such luxury. whereas text? there's a thing called skim-reading. works great. text requires far less attention than video... do the test: glance at a paragraph, glance at a video. which one do you feel confident you understand the creators intent? and hyperlinks? they are the embodiment of non-linear, allowing a person to go back/forth at will to whatever section they wish. video has nothing as effective... hotspots are a cool idea, but there's a lack of grace regarding how they're incorporated into video footage. hypertext links otoh can be ignored or used with no distraction to the reading material. pps ~ war on text? ick. must've been a joke i missed cuz i find it a tasteless phrase. ppps ~ i'll go back to lurking now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
i think we may be comparing apples and oranges it's not really the video vs. text the distinction if really between the 'visual' and the 'abstract'. how the information is delivered does not seem change that rob wrote: does anyone study history? i see comments stating implicitly or explicitly that video will (note use of future tense, that's a clue folks) have the same profound effect as writing. ha ha ha. the effect of the masses being taught to read/write changed EVERYTHING in europe (i was born there, now live in north america, so i'll leave my observations to these places)... no western culture would exist in any recognizable form without writing/print... this is not an exaggeration: read about events following the black plague, memory cathedrals, martin luther, etc and it's affect on society. (one interesting example is none of us can remember much compared to those who lived before) video's not close to that and is unlikely to be: no fundamental institutions have yet formed from the existence of video... no social hierarchies of any importance (videobloggers are clearly more important than anyone else on the planet but leaving that aside...) have developed either... yes, hollywood generates celebrities people who are accorded higher social status in a mundane way, but this phenomena has been around a very long time, it isn't new; gladiators for instance. but even more importantly... in my opinion, before video will replace text, something will replace video. new technologies have already been developed that are more likely to play a large role in communications over this century... here's a couple i recently read: how about the one that can directly interface to the brain (new scientist reports on electroencephalography with quadriplegics able to make a wheelchair move forward, left or right)... considering the full implications of devices like this, it's not hard to see where the real revolutions will occur in communications. developments in hormones allow people to bottle emotional states. (look up Oxytocin's and the University of Zurich)... what artist wouldn't want to get their hands on something like that? (not to mention politicians, frustrated lovers, etc) UPSIDE so easy to be critical... one really should reveal one's own preferences. where i do feel video steps up and above is regarding tangible experiences. reading travel books has nothing on even the most amateur video footage taken in some far-off location. the subtle interplay of facial features, etc gives clear messages that'd never translate as well in text form. my videoblogs otherwise are usually quite amateurish technically, but they capture an emotion nicely... more pro ones tend to be overly concerned with polish rather than content. there's also a sense of lack-of-control (i dunno why it worked out so good, but check it out! type of blogs) which i enjoy. serendipity. newscast blogs are ok, but the regard i have for them stems from their social function... they blog stuff corporate newscasters won't touch, or think is unimportant, or is unsuited to their political agenda. blogs in the omg i'm so special style are ok in small doses... easy to relate to cuz hey! I am the most important person in my universe... and i would hope everyone else feels the same about themselves in their universe... but i'll only watch a few before moving on to someone else. CONCLUSION video's just another tool in the arsenal we have to communicate. a statement like war on text implies such a narrow vision of what experiences are worth sharing... i can't imagine how drab and dull things would be, tho if i go back and re-read 1984 perhaps i'll have an idea. later rob ps ~ someone wrote that video is non-linear... only from a creators perspective... the audience has no such luxury. whereas text? there's a thing called skim-reading. works great. text requires far less attention than video... do the test: glance at a paragraph, glance at a video. which one do you feel confident you understand the creators intent? and hyperlinks? they are the embodiment of non-linear, allowing a person to go back/forth at will to whatever section they wish. video has nothing as effective... hotspots are a cool idea, but there's a lack of grace regarding how they're incorporated into video footage. hypertext links otoh can be ignored or used with no distraction to the reading material. pps ~ war on text? ick. must've been a joke i missed cuz i find it a tasteless phrase. ppps ~ i'll go back to lurking now. Yahoo! Groups Links -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo!
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That is true. How can you compare mediums when they are fundamentally different. Sure they have pros and cons, but it doesn't mean that one is more superior than the other. On 11/24/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think we may be comparing apples and orangesit's not really the video vs. textthe distinction if really between the 'visual' and the 'abstract'.how the information is delivered does not seem change that rob wrote:does anyone study history?i see comments stating implicitly or explicitly that video will (note use offuture tense, that's a clue folks) have the same profound effect as writing. ha ha ha.the effect of the masses being taught to read/write changed EVERYTHING ineurope (i was born there, now live in north america, so i'll leave myobservations to these places)... no western culture would exist in any recognizable form without writing/print... this is not an exaggeration: readabout events following the black plague, memory cathedrals, martin luther,etc and it's affect on society. (one interesting example is none of us can remember much compared to those who lived before)video's not close to that and is unlikely to be: no fundamental institutionshave yet formed from the existence of video... no social hierarchies of any importance (videobloggers are clearly more important than anyone else on theplanet but leaving that aside...) have developed either... yes, hollywoodgenerates celebrities people who are accorded higher social status in a mundane way, but this phenomena has been around a very long time, it isn'tnew; gladiators for instance.but even more importantly...in my opinion, before video will replace text, something will replace video. new technologies have already been developed that are more likely to play alarge role in communications over this century... here's a couple i recentlyread:how about the one that can directly interface to the brain (new scientist reports on electroencephalography with quadriplegics able to make awheelchair move forward, left or right)... considering the full implicationsof devices like this, it's not hard to see where the real revolutions will occur in communications.developments in hormones allow people to bottle emotional states. (look upOxytocin's and the University of Zurich)... what artist wouldn't want to get their hands on something like that? (not to mention politicians, frustratedlovers, etc)UPSIDEso easy to be critical... one really should reveal one's own preferences. where i do feel video steps up and above is regarding tangible experiences.reading travel books has nothing on even the most amateur video footagetaken in some far-off location. the subtle interplay of facial features, etc gives clear messages that'd never translate as well in text form.my videoblogs otherwise are usually quite amateurish technically, but theycapture an emotion nicely... more pro ones tend to be overly concerned with polish rather than content. there's also a sense of lack-of-control (idunno why it worked out so good, but check it out! type of blogs) which ienjoy. serendipity.newscast blogs are ok, but the regard i have for them stems from their social function... they blog stuff corporate newscasters won't touch, orthink is unimportant, or is unsuited to their political agenda.blogs in the omg i'm so special style are ok in small doses... easy to relate to cuz hey! I am the most important person in my universe... and iwould hope everyone else feels the same about themselves in theiruniverse... but i'll only watch a few before moving on to someone else. CONCLUSIONvideo's just another tool in the arsenal we have to communicate.a statement like war on text implies such a narrow vision of whatexperiences are worth sharing... i can't imagine how drab and dull things would be, tho if i go back and re-read 1984 perhaps i'll have an idea.laterrobps ~ someone wrote that video is non-linear... only from a creatorsperspective... the audience has no such luxury. whereas text? there's a thing called skim-reading. works great.text requires far less attention than video... do the test: glance at aparagraph, glance at a video. which one do you feel confident you understand the creators intent?and hyperlinks? they are the embodiment of non-linear, allowing a person togo back/forth at will to whatever section they wish. video has nothing aseffective... hotspots are a cool idea, but there's a lack of grace regarding how they're incorporated into video footage. hypertext links otoh can beignored or used with no distraction to the reading material.pps ~ war on text? ick. must've been a joke i missed cuz i find it a tasteless phrase.ppps ~ i'll go back to lurking now.Yahoo! Groups Links --My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.ushttp://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.comhttp://spinflow.orghttp://wearethemedia.comhttp://www.corante.com/events/feedfest/ aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED]msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED]skype: msandyspin: [EMAIL
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On 11/23/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think we may be comparing apples and oranges it's not really the video vs. text the distinction if really between the 'visual' and the 'abstract'. how the information is delivered does not seem change that There's some word from linguistics to express this... Also, probably plenty of interesting reading on related abstractions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Indeed, I can't think of any other centuries where global hysteria could be whipped up and calmed within hours, even minutes. On 11/24/05, Steve Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the history of the world in the last century has been rathersharply influenced by video, especially in the form on television. Itschanged the face of politics and news and the manufacturing of consent. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Typepad Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
Your URL please? On Nov 23, 2005, at 5:40 PM, rob wrote: my videoblogs otherwise are usually quite amateurish technically, but they capture an emotion nicely --Steve -- Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com Video Blog - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 00:38:12 +0100, Lucas Gonze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/23/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think we may be comparing apples and oranges it's not really the video vs. text the distinction if really between the 'visual' and the 'abstract'. how the information is delivered does not seem change that There's some word from linguistics to express this... Also, probably plenty of interesting reading on related abstractions. Probably not what you're thinking of since it's not linguistics, but semiotics talk about three types of signs: icon, index and symbol. Written language belonging to the last group (arbitrary signs given value by convention). - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: War On Text
On 11/23/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not what you're thinking of since it's not linguistics, but semiotics talk about three types of signs: icon, index and symbol. Written language belonging to the last group (arbitrary signs given value by convention). Any idea where video is in there, Andreas? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
