Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-30 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Joshua Kinberg wrote:
 As for setting a poster frame... yes, do that. Its generally good practice,
 though most people tend to disregard.

What is required to set a poster frame? Does it require QuickTime Pro?

Can it be done with iMovie or Metadata Hootenanny or some other apps?

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-30 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Its really easy with QT Pro:

Open your movie in QT Pro - Drag the play head to the frame you wish
to set as the thumbnail image - Go to View-Set Poster Frame - Go to
File-Save, and choose to save movie as self contained

I'm pretty sure there is a similar menu option somewhere in iMovie.

-Josh


On 11/30/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Joshua Kinberg wrote:
  As for setting a poster frame... yes, do that. Its generally good practice,
  though most people tend to disregard.

 What is required to set a poster frame? Does it require QuickTime Pro?

 Can it be done with iMovie or Metadata Hootenanny or some other apps?

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-30 Thread Jan McLaughlin
Josh,

Just curious: If a QT .mov has a poster frame set, is there any way to 
read  save *that image?

Don't know anything about the thumbnail extraction / saving of which 
you speak, Josh, but  seems to me it would be a less of a resource hog 
to go that way.

Or am I blowing smoke out an orifice?

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On Nov 29, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

 Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.
 Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and save
 them, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors due
 to various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
 types and extract images.

 Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much better
 server resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search once
 told me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
 properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for the
 same exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract the
 thumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file before
 it gets indexed properly by the search engine.


 -Josh


 On 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up 
 soon.

 On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not 
 consistently
 show thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, 
 and
 others do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.

 Chris


 On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 set blogger to show one post per page

 that takes care of question #1

 you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails 
 for
 previous shows

 http://mefeedia.com

 --Steve

 On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:

  Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like
 rocketboom.com (see below)
  I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current
 video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of 
 the
 recently archived ones below...

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-30 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Yes, this is what we do in FireAnt on Windows.
There is a quicktime API function to get the poster frame image.
But, not every movie on the web is Quicktime. In fact probably around
50% or less.

Again, I can't speak for MeFeedia because I don't know the nature of
their setup.

-Josh


On 11/30/05, Jan McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Josh,

 Just curious: If a QT .mov has a poster frame set, is there any way to
 read  save *that image?

 Don't know anything about the thumbnail extraction / saving of which
 you speak, Josh, but  seems to me it would be a less of a resource hog
 to go that way.

 Or am I blowing smoke out an orifice?

 Jan

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 .

 On Nov 29, 2005, at 6:36 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

  Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.
  Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and save
  them, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors due
  to various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
  types and extract images.
 
  Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much better
  server resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search once
  told me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
  properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for the
  same exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract the
  thumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file before
  it gets indexed properly by the search engine.
 
 
  -Josh
 
 
  On 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up
  soon.
 
  On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not
  consistently
  show thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics,
  and
  others do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.
 
  Chris
 
 
  On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  set blogger to show one post per page
 
  that takes care of question #1
 
  you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails
  for
  previous shows
 
  http://mefeedia.com
 
  --Steve
 
  On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:
 
   Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like
  rocketboom.com (see below)
   I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current
  video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of
  the
  recently archived ones below...
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-30 Thread Randolfe Wicker
I have yet to  meet someone who couldn't grasp the concept of websites and 
links very
fast.

Thanks for standing up for us old folks, Andreas.  However, I sometime 
wonder if I might not be the first.  I sat for an hour and half trying 
to figure out why I couldn't get a Quicktime capture on my new Mac.  Only 
when I decided to check out the Apple help online (I'd checked Progue's 
missing manual  knew Apple+Shift+4 should work) did I realize I had 
unplugged my keyboard from the tower.

Little things like that really undermind your confidence :)  But I'll not 
give up.



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Advisor: The Immortality Institute
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Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers


 On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:44:07 +0100, Fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BUT, having said that, there is a reason why Grandma and Granpa don't
 get online, and thats because
 every interface is so daunting... and if your layout is different from
 mine - we have a different interface...
 thus, in the interest of driving people away from mind-programming
 networks, and luring them to a more independent - people powered -
 network, I think that a universal layout is needed

 The Gray Gold are online, and they're online more and more. Sure most need
 a short course in computers and WWW, but apart from that I have yet to
 meet someone who couldn't grasp the concept of websites and links very
 fast.

 Don't talk down to old people, yo.

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-30 Thread Joan Khoo



All you need is a little bit of practise and a lot of enthusiasm. Doesn't matter what age group you are. :)
Joan

On 12/1/05, Randolfe Wicker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have yet tomeet someone who couldn't grasp the concept of websites andlinks veryfast.Thanks for standing up for us old folks, Andreas.However, I sometimewonder if I might not be the first.I sat for an hour and half trying
to figure out why I couldn't get a Quicktime capture on my new Mac.Onlywhen I decided to check out the Apple help online (I'd checked Progue'smissing manual  knew Apple+Shift+4 should work) did I realize I had
unplugged my keyboard from the tower.Little things like that really undermind your confidence :)But I'll notgive up.Randolfe (Randy) WickerVideographer, Writer, ActivistAdvisor: The Immortality Institute
Hoboken, NJhttp://www.randywickerreporting.blogspot.com/201-656-3280- Original Message -From: Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:00 PMSubject: Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers
 On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:44:07 +0100, Fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT, having said that, there is a reason why Grandma and Granpa don't
 get online, and thats because every interface is so daunting... and if your layout is different from mine - we have a different interface... thus, in the interest of driving people away from mind-programming
 networks, and luring them to a more independent - people powered - network, I think that a universal layout is needed The Gray Gold are online, and they're online more and more. Sure most need
 a short course in computers and WWW, but apart from that I have yet to meet someone who couldn't grasp the concept of websites and links very fast. Don't talk down to old people, yo.
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Josh Leo
On 11/29/05, Fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  PS - anyone ever think of making a STANDARD template for all vlog packages
 that we could use to make all of our vlog sites look the same, combine the
 features of a webring, and thus make a giant-virtual-independant
 -open-source TV for the masses?

I think that the ability to be different and unique is great,
uniformity is boring, and webrings are very 1995...but I guess i
understand where you are coming from...

I like the fact that I made the graphics for my site...Pages like
human-dog.com look really great and I enjoy visiting Ryanne's site to
see what new interesting header she has...

Rocketboom's layout works because it is updated daily...not many
people delve into their archives (i imagine) I like the ability to
show old videos, links to my other sites, and graphics that make my
vlog Mine

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Joshua Kinberg
 Rocketboom's layout works because it is updated daily...not many
 people delve into their archives (i imagine)

Definitely wrong. People check back into the recent archives because
of the thumbnails below. There is also an archive page which has
thumbnails for every rocketboom... which is well over 200 episodes.

But, I think as anyone accumulates the amount of content that
Rocketboom has amassed, the liklihood that anyone would try to view
*all* the archives decreases... its just too daunting a task. Hence,
the paradigm of Search.

-Josh


On 11/29/05, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/29/05, Fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   PS - anyone ever think of making a STANDARD template for all vlog packages
  that we could use to make all of our vlog sites look the same, combine the
  features of a webring, and thus make a giant-virtual-independant
  -open-source TV for the masses?

 I think that the ability to be different and unique is great,
 uniformity is boring, and webrings are very 1995...but I guess i
 understand where you are coming from...

 I like the fact that I made the graphics for my site...Pages like
 human-dog.com look really great and I enjoy visiting Ryanne's site to
 see what new interesting header she has...

 Rocketboom's layout works because it is updated daily...not many
 people delve into their archives (i imagine) I like the ability to
 show old videos, links to my other sites, and graphics that make my
 vlog Mine

 --
 Josh Leo

 joshleo.com
 stonefarm.blogspot.com
 joshspicks.blogspot.com
 vlogcats.blogspot.com
 wearethemedia.com




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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Fire






Hmm, totally good points, and I totally hear you - AND Agree!

BUT, having said that, there is a reason why Grandma and Granpa don't
get online, and thats because 
every interface is so daunting... and if your layout is different from
mine - we have a different interface...
thus, in the interest of driving people away from mind-programming
networks, and luring them to a more independent - people powered -
network, I think that a universal layout is needed

however, that doesn't mean that we all cant retain our unique
designs... what about if a bunch of the programming gurus got together,
and made a plugin that would take any blog you were viewing, and throw
it into an interface that looked like a tv... with channels 

but... er... I guess that's what Fireant is all about...
hmmm...

well just some random thoughts,...
thanks
Cheers



Josh Leo wrote:

On 11/29/05, Fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 PS - anyone ever think of making a STANDARD template for all vlog
packages
 that we could use to make all of our vlog sites look the same,
combine the
 features of a webring, and thus make a giant-virtual-independant
 -"open-source" TV for the masses?
  
I think that the ability to be different and unique is great,
uniformity is boring, and webrings are very 1995...but I guess i
understand where you are coming from...
  
I like the fact that I made the graphics for my site...Pages like
human-dog.com look really great and I enjoy visiting Ryanne's site to
see what new interesting header she has...
  
Rocketboom's layout works because it is updated daily...not many
people delve into their archives (i imagine) I like the ability to
show old videos, links to my other sites, and graphics that make my
vlog "Mine"
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:37:44 +0100, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Rocketboom's layout works because it is updated daily...not many
 people delve into their archives (i imagine)

 Definitely wrong. People check back into the recent archives because
 of the thumbnails below. There is also an archive page which has
 thumbnails for every rocketboom... which is well over 200 episodes.

I actually tried to locate an old episode at one point, but gave up. Since  
I couldn't remember which shirt Amanda was wearing in that particular  
episode the archive page didn't help me locate the episode I wanted. :o)

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:44:07 +0100, Fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 BUT, having said that, there is a reason why Grandma and Granpa don't
 get online, and thats because
 every interface is so daunting... and if your layout is different from
 mine - we have a different interface...
 thus, in the interest of driving people away from mind-programming
 networks, and luring them to a more independent - people powered -
 network, I think that a universal layout is needed

The Gray Gold are online, and they're online more and more. Sure most need  
a short course in computers and WWW, but apart from that I have yet to  
meet someone who couldn't grasp the concept of websites and links very  
fast.

Don't talk down to old people, yo.

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread andrew michael baron


 I actually tried to locate an old episode at one point, but gave  
 up. Since
 I couldn't remember which shirt Amanda was wearing in that particular
 episode the archive page didn't help me locate the episode I  
 wanted. :o)

 - Andreas
 -- 

Funny, well, if you knew of any keywords for any of the information  
that you were looking for, you could always type the words into the  
search form. It works perfectly for me. I could do a bit with  
desigtning up the results, granted. Also, you can always hover your  
mouse over the images to get all of the details of each post.

Or you can click on the view 2, to see the archives listed out with  
all of the metadata in ascending order.

I have found that Google actually works best for me personally. I  
don't like using Google plugins to search sites, but when I go to  
Google and type rocketboom and then enter any of the key words I'm  
looking for, it almost always produces the particular entry.




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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Fire






Uh-oh, oops - sorry, not PC.

you - got me!

please subtract "grandpa and grandpa and replace with - "people who
might just know a little less than someone else" 



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  On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:44:07 +0100, Fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
BUT, having said that, there is a reason why Grandma and Granpa don't
get online, and thats because
every interface is so daunting... and if your layout is different from
mine - we have a different interface...
thus, in the interest of driving people away from mind-programming
networks, and luring them to a more independent - people powered -
network, I think that a universal layout is needed

  
  
The Gray Gold are online, and they're online more and more. Sure most need  
a short course in computers and WWW, but apart from that I have yet to  
meet someone who couldn't grasp the concept of websites and links very  
fast.

Don't talk down to old people, yo.

- Andreas
  




  




  
  
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2005-11-29 Thread BevSykes
 The Gray Gold are online, and they're online more and more. Sure most need
 a short course in computers and WWW, but apart from that I have yet to
 meet someone who couldn't grasp the concept of websites and links very
 fast.

 Don't talk down to old people, yo.

Thanks for that!  (Speaking as a representative of old people on line!)

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Steve Garfield
set blogger to show one post per page

that takes care of question #1

you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails for 
previous shows

http://mefeedia.com

--Steve

On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:

  Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like 
 rocketboom.com (see below)
  I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current 
 video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the 
 recently archived ones below...

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread David Meade
On 11/29/05, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:37:44 +0100, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I actually tried to locate an old episode at one point, but gave up. Since
 I couldn't remember which shirt Amanda was wearing in that particular
 episode the archive page didn't help me locate the episode I wanted. :o)


Hehe I did the same thing.  I didnt click view 2 either because I
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Christopher Ivanyi



Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not consistently show thumbnails for all videos. Why do some vlogs don't have pics, and others do not. That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.


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 rocketboom.com (see below)I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the recently archived ones below...
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Devlon
Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up soon.

On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not consistently
 show thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, and
 others do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.

 Chris


 On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  set blogger to show one post per page
 
  that takes care of question #1
 
  you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails for
  previous shows
 
  http://mefeedia.com
 
  --Steve
 
  On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:
 
Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like
   rocketboom.com (see below)
I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current
   video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the
   recently archived ones below...
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.
Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and save
them, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors due
to various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
types and extract images.

Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much better
server resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search once
told me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for the
same exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract the
thumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file before
it gets indexed properly by the search engine.


-Josh


On 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up soon.

 On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not consistently
  show thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, and
  others do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.
 
  Chris
 
 
  On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   set blogger to show one post per page
  
   that takes care of question #1
  
   you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails for
   previous shows
  
   http://mefeedia.com
  
   --Steve
  
   On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:
  
 Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like
rocketboom.com (see below)
 I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current
video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the
recently archived ones below...
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Devlon
Thanks for that much more robust response than I was able to come up with :)

On 11/29/05, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.
  Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and save
  them, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors due
  to various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
  types and extract images.

  Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much better
  server resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search once
  told me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
  properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for the
  same exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract the
  thumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file before
  it gets indexed properly by the search engine.


  -Josh



  On 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up
 soon.
  
   On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not
 consistently
show thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, and
others do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.
   
Chris
   
   
On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 set blogger to show one post per page

 that takes care of question #1

 you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails
 for
 previous shows

 http://mefeedia.com

 --Steve

 On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:

   Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like
  rocketboom.com (see below)
   I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current
  video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of
 the
  recently archived ones below...

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Markus Sandy






i understand all that
but do the math:

there are less than 2000 feeds as of today
i think 500 videos per feed is grossly over estimating most people's
*average* output
that's 100,000 thumbs
we have been told that they have been generating them for several weeks
(months?) now
let's assume only 6 weeks = 6 x 7 x 24 x 60 = 60480 minutes
that's 16 minutes per thumb and counting

more likely, there is an average of less than 200 videos per feed at
this time
so 40 minutes per thumb or higher?
wow, that's a lot!

this still does not explain why older video thumbs are not slowly
showing up for me and why some new ones aren't
(no changes in codec here)


Joshua Kinberg wrote:

  Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.
Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and save
them, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors due
to various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
types and extract images.

Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much better
server resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search once
told me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for the
same exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract the
thumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file before
it gets indexed properly by the search engine.


-Josh


On 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up soon.

On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not consistently
show thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, and
others do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.

Chris


On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
set blogger to show one post per page

that takes care of question #1

you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails for
previous shows

http://mefeedia.com

--Steve

On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:



   Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like
rocketboom.com (see below)
 I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current
video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the
recently archived ones below...
  

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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Markus Sandy






dropped a zero there obviously
but the argument stands


Markus Sandy wrote:

  
i understand all that
but do the math:
  
there are less than 2000 feeds as of today
i think 500 videos per feed is grossly over estimating most people's
*average* output
that's 100,000 thumbs
we have been told that they have been generating them for several weeks
(months?) now
let's assume only 6 weeks = 6 x 7 x 24 x 60 = 60480 minutes
that's 16 minutes per thumb and counting
  
more likely, there is an average of less than 200 videos per feed at
this time
so 40 minutes per thumb or higher?
wow, that's a lot!
  
this still does not explain why older video thumbs are not slowly
showing up for me and why some new ones aren't
(no changes in codec here)
  
  
Joshua Kinberg wrote:
  
Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.
Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and save
them, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors due
to various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
types and extract images.

Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much better
server resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search once
told me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for the
same exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract the
thumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file before
it gets indexed properly by the search engine.


-Josh


On 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

  Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up soon.

On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not consistently
show thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, and
others do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.

Chris


On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

  set blogger to show one post per page

that takes care of question #1

you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails for
previous shows

http://mefeedia.com

--Steve

On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:


  
 Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) like
rocketboom.com (see below)
 I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most current
video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the
recently archived ones below...
  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Joshua Kinberg



I don't know the specifics of MeFeedia's server setup or queueing mechanism.
I don't know if its able to fail gracefully and move on when it encounters errors.
There are lots of video codecs out there -- not every QT, WMV, AVI, etc. are made equally.

As for setting a poster frame... yes, do that. Its generally good practice, though most people tend to disregard.

In FireAnt on Windows we extract thumbnails that display in your collection of videos.
If you've set a poster frame, that is the image that gets extracted.

-Josh
On 11/29/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  




dropped a zero there obviously
but the argument stands


Markus Sandy wrote:

  
i understand all that
but do the math:
  
there are less than 2000 feeds as of today
i think 500 videos per feed is grossly over estimating most people's
*average* output
that's 100,000 thumbs
we have been told that they have been generating them for several weeks
(months?) now
let's assume only 6 weeks = 6 x 7 x 24 x 60 = 60480 minutes
that's 16 minutes per thumb and counting
  
more likely, there is an average of less than 200 videos per feed at
this time
so 40 minutes per thumb or higher?
wow, that's a lot!
  
this still does not explain why older video thumbs are not slowly
showing up for me and why some new ones aren't
(no changes in codec here)
  
  
Joshua Kinberg wrote:
  
Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and savethem, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors dueto various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
types and extract images.Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much betterserver resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search oncetold me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for thesame exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract thethumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file beforeit gets indexed properly by the search engine.
-JoshOn 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  

  Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up soon.On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not consistentlyshow thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, andothers do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.
ChrisOn 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  


  set blogger to show one post per pagethat takes care of question #1you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails forprevious shows
http://mefeedia.com--SteveOn Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:
  
 Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) likerocketboom.com (see below) I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most currentvideo automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the
recently archived ones below...  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Devlon



I am still getting ramped up on all the inner workings, but it isn't a
perfect system yet, still being refined and it is possible that the
script went had troubles with some decoding, or missed a post.

I'll see if I can dig up some numbers on how many feeds are being
'thumbed' but you'd be surprised how much chewing that script does.

Then there's other things...we moved servers, the script was stopped
for a few days but people kept videoblogging :) Little things
like that. I wish it were as simple as number crunching, but it's
not right now. It will get more stable soon as we get everything
fleshed out.On 11/29/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



  




dropped a zero there obviously
but the argument stands


Markus Sandy wrote:

  
i understand all that
but do the math:
  
there are less than 2000 feeds as of today
i think 500 videos per feed is grossly over estimating most people's
*average* output
that's 100,000 thumbs
we have been told that they have been generating them for several weeks
(months?) now
let's assume only 6 weeks = 6 x 7 x 24 x 60 = 60480 minutes
that's 16 minutes per thumb and counting
  
more likely, there is an average of less than 200 videos per feed at
this time
so 40 minutes per thumb or higher?
wow, that's a lot!
  
this still does not explain why older video thumbs are not slowly
showing up for me and why some new ones aren't
(no changes in codec here)
  
  
Joshua Kinberg wrote:
  
Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and savethem, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often errors dueto various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to decode all
types and extract images.Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much betterserver resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search oncetold me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for thesame exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract thethumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file beforeit gets indexed properly by the search engine.
-JoshOn 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  

  Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will catch up soon.On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not consistentlyshow thumbnails for all videos.  Why do some vlogs don't have pics, andothers do not.  That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long time.
ChrisOn 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  


  set blogger to show one post per pagethat takes care of question #1you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of thmbnails forprevious shows
http://mefeedia.com--SteveOn Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:
  
 Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate) likerocketboom.com (see below) I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most currentvideo automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails of the
recently archived ones below...  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Blogger templates SPECIFIALLY for bloggers

2005-11-29 Thread Verdi
Another part of the problem might be that we got all excited about  
it, including making videos of it, before it was really a feature  
of Mefeedia.
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On Nov 29, 2005, at 8:13 PM, Devlon wrote:

 I am still getting ramped up on all the inner workings, but it  
 isn't a perfect system yet, still being refined and it is possible  
 that the script went had troubles with some decoding, or missed a  
 post.

 I'll see if I can dig up some numbers on how many feeds are being  
 'thumbed' but you'd be surprised how much chewing that script does.

 Then there's other things...we moved servers, the script was  
 stopped for a few days but people kept videoblogging :)  Little  
 things like that.  I wish it were as simple as number crunching,  
 but it's not right now.  It will get more stable soon as we get  
 everything fleshed out.

 On 11/29/05, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dropped  
 a zero there obviously
 but the argument stands



 Markus Sandy wrote:
 i understand all that
 but  do the math:

 there are less than 2000 feeds as of today
 i think 500 videos per feed is grossly over estimating most  
 people's *average* output
 that's 100,000 thumbs
 we have been told that they have been generating them for several  
 weeks (months?) now
 let's assume only 6 weeks  = 6 x 7 x 24 x 60 = 60480 minutes
 that's 16 minutes per thumb and counting

 more likely, there is an average of less than 200 videos per feed  
 at this time
 so 40 minutes per thumb or higher?
 wow, that's a lot!

 this still does not explain why older video thumbs are not slowly  
 showing up for me and why some new ones aren't
 (no changes in codec here)


 Joshua Kinberg wrote:
 Thumbnail generation is a very CPU intensive process.
 Mefeedia's server must download your videos, extract thumbs and save
 them, then remove the video. Not to mention there are often  
 errors due
 to various video codecs and the fact that it can be hard to  
 decode all
 types and extract images.

 Even Yahoo! has difficulty in this area, and they have much better
 server resources than MeFeedia. Someone in Yahoo! Media Search once
 told me that it can take several days for a video to be indexed
 properly even after the crawler has discovered the video. Its for  
 the
 same exact reason. There is a batch queue set up to extract the
 thumbnails and do whatever other processing needed on the file  
 before
 it gets indexed properly by the search engine.


 -Josh


 On 11/29/05, Devlon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Our thumbnail generating code got a bit behind, but it will  
 catch up soon.

 On 11/29/05, Christopher Ivanyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Problem with using mefeedia's archive code is that it does not  
 consistently
 show thumbnails for all videos. Why do some vlogs don't have  
 pics, and
 others do not. That's been an ongoing problem for a long, long  
 time.

 Chris


 On 11/29/05, Steve Garfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 set blogger to show one post per page

 that takes care of question #1

 you can use mefeedia's archive code to display a list of  
 thmbnails for
 previous shows

 http://mefeedia.com

 --Steve

 On Nov 29, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Fire wrote:

 Id like a template that could make my site (look and operate)  
 like
 rocketboom.com (see below)
 I like their interface... nice and simple... with the most  
 current
 video automatically loading on the first page, and thumbnails  
 of the
 recently archived ones below...
 --Steve
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