Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread David Meade 



On 4/7/06, Michael Sullivan <
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   opt-in CAN have these checks and balances though.

i've waited to see if an open submission system would be problematic, and if so, a simple trigger would force a typical member activation process.  but no need yet.I agree ...  I'm fine with an opt-out system so long as the 'in state' is designed to be in compliance with the license associated with the feed.
I have no problem with people syndicating my stuff.  I put it in a feed
for a reason ... HOWEVER, there is still a license attached, thankfully all the information someone would need to stay within the bounds of the license is included in the feed.I think these checks and balances were just left out on some systems.
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Michael Sullivan 



opt-in CAN have these checks and balances though.i've waited to see if an open submission system would be problematic, and if so, a simple trigger would force a typical member activation process.  but no need yet.
On 4/7/06, Brad Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Even an opt-in system has no real checks and balances for ensuring theowner of the feed is signing it up... this is why I never implementedthis functionality. It just seemed like a bad idea waiting to happen.
Michael Verdi wrote:> Benefits of the system (hosting, rss, flash, etc) aside, this is the> part that is total crap. It should be an opt-in system not an opt-out.> That's inexcusable.> -Verdi
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Michael Sullivan 



they are scraping.and maybe veoh staff also manually adding feeds.since vlogdir has been around for a year and the amount of entries by 3rd parties is so miniscule, i dont think that is how these feeds got in veoh.
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread WWWhatsup 


Are you sure about that

I think it's more likely some 3rd party submitted the feed.

joly

At 02:40 PM 4/7/2006, you wrote:
>Devlon,
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>The big difference here is.. YouTube didn't directly and specifically 
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>that content. From what I can tell, Veoh did just that, no? My users 
>breaking a license and me knowingly doing the same thing... big 
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Devlon 



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Devlon,

The big difference here is.. YouTube didn't directly and specifically 
upload the content -- or create a specific system to scour for and grab 
that content. From what I can tell, Veoh did just that, no? My users 
breaking a license and me knowingly doing the same thing... big 
difference, and not in a positive way.I am sorry, yes.  Very  good point, thanks.  Getting all hopped up over this and not engaging brain before typing :) 

Devlon wrote:

>On 4/7/06, Peter Van Dijck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On 4/7/06, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> +1. Especially if infringing was so unnecessary.
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Brad Webb 
Devlon,

The big difference here is.. YouTube didn't directly and specifically 
upload the content -- or create a specific system to scour for and grab 
that content. From what I can tell, Veoh did just that, no? My users 
breaking a license and me knowingly doing the same thing... big 
difference, and not in a positive way.

Devlon wrote:

>On 4/7/06, Peter Van Dijck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
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>> On 4/7/06, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Eh. It seems to me that an "infringe first, remove later" policy isn't
>> > really a good one.
>>
>> +1. Especially if infringing was so unnecessary.
>>
>> I am actually talking to my laywer about this.
>>
>>
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>Good, like I said, someone needs their hands slapped very publicly to
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Brad Webb 
Even an opt-in system has no real checks and balances for ensuring the 
owner of the feed is signing it up... this is why I never implemented 
this functionality. It just seemed like a bad idea waiting to happen.

Michael Verdi wrote:

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> That's inexcusable.
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Devlon 
On 4/7/06, Peter Van Dijck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Good, like I said, someone needs their hands slapped very publicly to
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Peter Van Dijck 
On 4/7/06, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eh. It seems to me that an "infringe first, remove later" policy isn't
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Markus Sandy 






put it in a type list (use a note or link one)

feel free to ask if you want more specific instructions

trine berry wrote:

  this *sounds* really easy, and I'm probably just losing my mind here,  
but how do i do this? I am using Typepad and I am not sure *how* i am  
suppose to place this snippet in my vlog? veoh tells me to put it in  
my feed, which is equally confusing for me.
thanks...
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Here's how you claim your feed on Veoh:

1. Go to the series page for your vlog
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Markus Sandy 
and are we suppose to deal with EVERY feed we produce or manage?

how thoughtless of them

boycott Veoh!!!


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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Devlon 
So many sites are starting to do this...one should be picked and made
an example of maybe?

On 4/7/06, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Markus Sandy 
that is messed up, man

down with veoh!!!

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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread trine berry 
this *sounds* really easy, and I'm probably just losing my mind here,  
but how do i do this? I am using Typepad and I am not sure *how* i am  
suppose to place this snippet in my vlog? veoh tells me to put it in  
my feed, which is equally confusing for me.
thanks...
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On 7 Apr 2006, at 18:34, Halcyon Lujah wrote:

> Here's how you claim your feed on Veoh:
>
> 1. Go to the series page for your vlog
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Michael Verdi 



Benefits of the system (hosting, rss, flash, etc) aside, this is the part that is total crap. It should be an opt-in system not an opt-out. That's inexcusable.-VerdiOn 4/7/06, 
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Devlon 



On 4/7/06, Halcyon Lujah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have been talking to Veoh about this

There are working towards a system of organizing the (quickly becoming
unmanagable) amount of video content.   Part of the proicess was
indexing and presenting RSS feeds.  I claimed (see below) my feed so
that I can be in charge of my Veoh comments, links, etc.Hey Halcyon, thanks for chiming in.I shouldn't have to claim a feed for my license to be respected.  In order to display my material, it has to be by attribution.  Veoh is not abiding by this.
I don't care if they pick up my feed, it's online for anyone to view, but to have it not linked back to me is the no-no.I've sent them 2 messages via their contact form and am awaiting a response.

Why I like Veoh:  up to a 10 min. flash preview that i can embed OR
use their pre-built Vlog format: see:
http://veoh.com/vlogs/cockyvision.   Its great for lazy people like
me, I can upload a full res version for tv-quality download, and let
the Veoh system worry about my web-based Vlog. (emcoding, hosting, and
rss)

**BUT IF YOU WANT TO BE EXCLUDED from their search and system, just
send them an email. [EMAIL PROTECTED].   They are aware that not everyone
wants to be included and will remove you immediately.Do you know if it is an 'all or nothing' deal?  (I either have my  feed there and not get attribution, or have it removed?)Why don't they simply add a link back to the originating site?  It's very simple to do.  FireAnt, Mefeedia, Vlogdir (sorry if I omit anyone...) do it in several places (link to comments, link to the video, etc) 

TO CLAIM YOUR FEED:

>>>If you would like to claim your feed and control how they are presented
on Veoh from your own account, please follow these instructions.

Here's how you claim your feed on Veoh:

1. Go to the series page for your vlog
2. Select the "Claim Feed" button.
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Re: [videoblogging] If your content is on Veoh** was: Veoh transcoding feeds?

2006-04-07 Thread Stephanie Bryant 
Eh. It seems to me that an "infringe first, remove later" policy isn't
really a good one.

On 4/7/06, Halcyon Lujah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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