Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:34:55 +0100, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. And curling. :o) Next version of Opera will have bittorrent built in, but that only helps the five people other than me who use Opera. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
FireAnt has BitTorrent baked into the Windows version. I actually think we've rather quietly developed one of the best interfaces for BitTorrent yet. Here's why... when you download a video via BitTorrent, it downloads just like any other file. No special knowledge required. Then once its finished downloading, the magic happens: you hit the play button and instantly you are watching a video! Now publishing Torrents is another story... the best solution I've seen so far is Prodigem. If you haven't looked at Prodigem in a while, definitely check it out! -Josh On 2/18/06, Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:34:55 +0100, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. And curling. :o) Next version of Opera will have bittorrent built in, but that only helps the five people other than me who use Opera. - Andreas -- URL:http://www.solitude.dk/ Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Hmm. I have no shortage at the moment - got far more than I can use from DreamHost - but that might be interesting someday. I guess I could re-sell some of my own BW...On 2/18/06, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs givediscounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone beinterested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group forserver space and bandwidth?Has this been tried on this group?If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of$5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth.Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
and that's assuming that at least three of the six of you are are watching the same content! =) Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:34:55 +0100, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. And curling. :o) Next version of Opera will have bittorrent built in, but that only helps the five people other than me who use Opera. - Andreas -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
one issue that arises: how do you track your stats? Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote: Hello, On 2/17/06, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth?Has this been tried on this group?If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. good idea Dave. this was briught up a long time ago...but never acted on. can you come up with some scenarios and workflow? if we had a target to shoot for...itll be easier to get people to jump on board. How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work? Jay -- Adventures in Videoblogging http://www.momentshowing.net http://FireAnt.tv http://node101.org Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Hello Josh, On 2/18/06, Joshua Kinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FireAnt has BitTorrent baked into the Windows version. I actually think we've rather quietly developed one of the best interfaces for BitTorrent yet. Here's why... when you download a video via BitTorrent, it downloads just like any other file. No special knowledge required. Then once its finished downloading, the magic happens: you hit the play button and instantly you are watching a video! Just out of curiousity, does FireAnt keep seeding after the download is completed? (And if so, for how long?) [...] See ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Perhaps there is a way to build off of existing infrastructures? (e.g. Blip, Ourmedia). They could provide operational support and premium bandwidth/loads, and we would be supporting existing initiatives. I can't speak for either company, but I think it would be cool if we could do it that way..On 2/17/06, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs give discounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone be interested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group for server space and bandwidth? Has this been tried on this group? If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of $5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted TagamiPrincipal, Universus NetworksU N I V E R S U S . N E T SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
On 2/18/06, Ted Tagami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps there is a way to build off of existing infrastructures? (e.g. Blip, Ourmedia). They could provide operational support and premium bandwidth/loads, and we would be supporting existing initiatives. I can't speak for either company, but I think it would be cool if we could do it that way..Isn't this kind of the idea of Blip coming out with paid accounts (which I think they should do)? In a way, to do something like this requires that at least one person set it up and manage it. That's not a lot of work if it's just one server for a few people but would get to be a job if it got bigger. It would just be cool if someone like Blip did it and we could just get behind them. It would be nice if you could host a domain and wordpress or MT blog there too. -Verdi-- Me: http://michaelverdi.comRD: http://evilvlog.comLearn to videoblog: http://freevlog.orgLearn to videoblog in person: http://node101.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
On 2/18/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work?If you got a Dreamhost dedicated server for $150 monthly + $150 setup:-30 GB storage total-4 TB data transfer -Stats are given for each separate domain, no problem there. So...if 10 people:1st month = $30Each month after = $153GB storage400GB data transferOr the mega server at Dreamhost for $475 monthly + $475 setup:-175 GB storage total -10 TB data transferSay you get 30 people:1st month = $31.67Each month after = $15.835.8 GB storage300 GB data transferHmm, those bandwidth amounts don't look so hot compared to the 1TB you get when you buy a cheap hosting plan at Dreamhost. On the other hand, I don't know how many people are actually pushing 1TB per month. Maybe the thing to do is only accept people into the co-op that you know won't go over the limit. Otherwise I think things could get tricky, setting bandwidth controls on individual domains etc. You'll need someone to monitor and admin the server. Maybe it's a rotating volunteer position?A question I'd be asking, whoever you decide to buy server space from, is what kind of speed difference you'll see among all the different options. I hope this stuff takes off. It's a good idea.I just happen to be researching all these things this weekend.With that said, if anyone knows any kind millionaires who want to fund a project, please have them make out a check payable to Adam Quirk. Ok,AQthepan.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
A question I'd be asking, whoever you decide to buy server space from, is what kind of speed difference you'll see among all the different options. see, this is pretty key, no?i mean, there are 3 issues. storage space, monthly bandwidth allotment and SPEED! The latter is actually the main issue since the former 2 issues have been resolved for some time now (ourmedia, blip and dozens of others). But what is causing frustration in the vlogosphere? SPEED! So I ask, what does a $10 per month Dreamhost hosting service get you as far as mb/sec pipe? Clint? Anyone know? I couldnt find that spec after briefly browsing dreamhost and other hosting provider sites. thanks for any insight on this.regardless. we have options today...all beeing discussed here. its nice to have reasonable options for vodcasting. these are good times. but will these times last? will dreamhost always be so generous? will blip get proper funding? will relying on companies be better than relying on concentrated consortiums of vloggers? hey, either way, its a good conversation to have. nothing should be discouraged. this is an age of experimentation. we are all experimenting. i'd love to see ourmedia get funding and evolve. i'd love to see blip continue its success and get funded and help the culture. i'd love for 5, 10, 15 new similar projects emerge that respect the vlogosphere as blip and ourmedia do. i'd love to see traditional web hosts continue to offer more space and bandwidth and performance. i'd love to see consortiums of content creators and community services work together for the same purposes. Its an ecology and we need ALL of these options. nothing should be discouraged. not here. sullOn 2/18/06, Adam Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/18/06, Jay dedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much storage for each person? how much bandwdith? how would stats work?If you got a Dreamhost dedicated server for $150 monthly + $150 setup:-30 GB storage total-4 TB data transfer -Stats are given for each separate domain, no problem there. So...if 10 people:1st month = $30Each month after = $153GB storage400GB data transferOr the mega server at Dreamhost for $475 monthly + $475 setup:-175 GB storage total -10 TB data transferSay you get 30 people:1st month = $31.67Each month after = $15.835.8 GB storage300 GB data transferHmm, those bandwidth amounts don't look so hot compared to the 1TB you get when you buy a cheap hosting plan at Dreamhost. On the other hand, I don't know how many people are actually pushing 1TB per month. Maybe the thing to do is only accept people into the co-op that you know won't go over the limit. Otherwise I think things could get tricky, setting bandwidth controls on individual domains etc. You'll need someone to monitor and admin the server. Maybe it's a rotating volunteer position?A question I'd be asking, whoever you decide to buy server space from, is what kind of speed difference you'll see among all the different options. I hope this stuff takes off. It's a good idea.I just happen to be researching all these things this weekend.With that said, if anyone knows any kind millionaires who want to fund a project, please have them make out a check payable to Adam Quirk. Ok,AQthepan.org SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- - - - - Sullhttp://vlogdir.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
Hello,On 2/17/06, davecircumnavigator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since videobloggers have high bandwidth requirements and ISPs givediscounts for planned large bandwidth consumption, would anyone beinterested in a server cooperative where we negotiate as a group forserver space and bandwidth?Has this been tried on this group?If every member of this group is paying a monthly basic web hosting fee of$5, that's almost $10,000 a month and that buys A LOT of bandwidth.Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? See ya-- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc.charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___Make Television http://maketelevision.com/ SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Server Cooperative -- wanna start one?
On 2/18/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiousity, why not use BitTorrent, Gnutella, dijjer, or some other P2P technolofgy to distrbute your vlog? Because such a small percentage of the general population knows how to use those things. Until it becomes seamless, where you just click the link and the video plays, those things aren't really that attractive to me. I mean, my parents wouldn't be able to watch any of my videos anymore, which would probably be a good thing. Unless your audience is made up entirely of internet geeks, you won't be able to reach them using these things. Yet. Someone will come up with a transparent usage of BitTorrent. Dijjer is close. But close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
