Re: [videoblogging] micropayments / MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general

2007-01-28 Thread Melissa Gira
And in the last few weeks, the one micropayment service I actually  
used and got something good out of, Bitpass, closed shop with little  
notice.

Bitpass ran the payment end for Mperia.com, which I had used in late  
2004/early 2005 to sell spoken word mp3s, which served as a sort of  
gateway drug into podcasting.  When I could get a much larger  
audience out of podcasting, I stopped putting new work up at Mperia  
-- which had as much to do about the community coming up around  
podcasting as it did the shortcomings of Mperia.

Melissa


Melissa Gira
Sexerati: Smart Sex
The Future of Sex: Video Podcast
sexerati.com


On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Mike Hudack wrote:

 Ah, micropayments, that favorite topic of mine!  Way back when, long
 before blip, I tried to build a micropayments service with a few of  
 the
 folks now at blip.  The challenges we saw then are the same challenges
 we see now: in order to do micropayments effectively you need a system
 to pool transactions, and to do this you need a compelling  
 collection of
 content from a compelling collection of providers.  At the end of the
 day building a real micropayments system is really about network
 building.  No one's managed to do this well.

 -Original Message-
 From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson
 Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:00 AM
 To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
 aggregators in general

 I was just thinking of micro-payments. Any info out there on
 the topic, or can we have a conversation.

 Cheers,
 Ron Watson

 Pawsitive Vybe
 11659 Berrigan Ave
 Cedar Springs, MI 49319
 http://pawsitivevybe.com

 Personal Contact:
 616.802.8923
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On the Web:
 http://pawsitivevybe.com
 http://k9disc.com
 http://k9disc.blip.tv


 On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, johnleeke wrote:

 It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn business
 diplomacy from Mike.

 I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and
 morality of the
 issue, opt out simply empowers the illegal and immoral actions of
 these secondary agrigators and distributors of our content.
 They want
 and take our content because it has a higher value that
 what they have
 to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based
 on paying
 absolutely nothing for the content is the problem.

 We cannot afford it sounds pretty lame when they have
 million dollar
 budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to the micro
 payment idea? Wern't computers supposed to make micro payments
 practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying,
 then pay what
 they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has done it
 so we know
 it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with
 the content
 makers, then they don't take the content.

 This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from
 our Mommies
 by the time we were ten:

 If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it.

 Every particle of the conflict in this issue arises out of the fact
 that it appears they think they can ignore this basic tenant of our
 morality-based society.

 I think the fact that they do, or do not, show their
 faces in this
 discussion tells us a lot about their character and intent.

 Mike and all, thanks for the good works and thoughtful discussions.

 John
 www.HistoricHomeWorks.com






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Re: [videoblogging] micropayments / MyHeavy and Magnify and aggregators in general

2007-01-28 Thread Roxanne Darling
For sure, the internet has trained *consumers* not to pay for much of
anything online.

However, what we are discussing here is a business to business
transaction, and perhaps there is tipping point potential.  Business
is used to paying for products and services. Many of the original
content producers in the video space do not have the huge audience
size to garner a seat at the table.

But there is micro-value in the aggregation. A micropayment system for
b2b begins to make more sense in the marketplace.  It is the
responsibility of we the producers though to train the marketplace to
pay us, rather than expect payment if we keep delivering for free.


r



On 1/28/07, Melissa Gira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And in the last few weeks, the one micropayment service I actually
  used and got something good out of, Bitpass, closed shop with little
  notice.

  Bitpass ran the payment end for Mperia.com, which I had used in late
  2004/early 2005 to sell spoken word mp3s, which served as a sort of
  gateway drug into podcasting. When I could get a much larger
  audience out of podcasting, I stopped putting new work up at Mperia
  -- which had as much to do about the community coming up around
  podcasting as it did the shortcomings of Mperia.

  Melissa

  Melissa Gira
  Sexerati: Smart Sex
  The Future of Sex: Video Podcast
  sexerati.com

  On Jan 28, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Mike Hudack wrote:

   Ah, micropayments, that favorite topic of mine! Way back when, long
   before blip, I tried to build a micropayments service with a few of
   the
   folks now at blip. The challenges we saw then are the same challenges
   we see now: in order to do micropayments effectively you need a system
   to pool transactions, and to do this you need a compelling
   collection of
   content from a compelling collection of providers. At the end of the
   day building a real micropayments system is really about network
   building. No one's managed to do this well.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Watson
   Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 9:00 AM
   To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: MyHeavy and Magnify and
   aggregators in general
  
   I was just thinking of micro-payments. Any info out there on
   the topic, or can we have a conversation.
  
   Cheers,
   Ron Watson
  
   Pawsitive Vybe
   11659 Berrigan Ave
   Cedar Springs, MI 49319
   http://pawsitivevybe.com
  
   Personal Contact:
   616.802.8923
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   On the Web:
   http://pawsitivevybe.com
   http://k9disc.com
   http://k9disc.blip.tv
  
  
   On Jan 27, 2007, at 11:26 AM, johnleeke wrote:
  
   It is fascinating to read between the lines and learn business
   diplomacy from Mike.
  
   I agree with David, when it comes to the legality and
   morality of the
   issue, opt out simply empowers the illegal and immoral actions of
   these secondary agrigators and distributors of our content.
   They want
   and take our content because it has a higher value that
   what they have
   to pay for it. The fact that their business model is based
   on paying
   absolutely nothing for the content is the problem.
  
   We cannot afford it sounds pretty lame when they have
   million dollar
   budgets. But even on lesser budgets what happened to the micro
   payment idea? Wern't computers supposed to make micro payments
   practical? Why don't they set a policy of always paying,
   then pay what
   they can negotiate with the content maker? Blip has done it
   so we know
   it is possible. If they cannot arrive at an agreement with
   the content
   makers, then they don't take the content.
  
   This seems pretty simple, and most of us learned it from
   our Mommies
   by the time we were ten:
  
   If it doesn't belong to you, then don't take it.
  
-- 
Roxanne Darling
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808-384-5554

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