Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
I like this question because there is gets to the variety of vlogs out there. Not all of them are or will be quirky, artisitic, avenues of personal _expression_, which I think may be harder (not impossible) to monetize or recoup the costs of putting together. Other themes like music, entertainment, or news commentary may be able to sell subscriptions of related products: cds, books, etc. regards,vincent.njoroge.ndonyeOn 1/6/06, Richard Bennett-Forrest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Working out ways to making videoblogging pay, is like working out a way to make sitting at home playing dominos pay.* It's the same with any amateur creative endeavour, in a short period of time, new people end up with an inflated sense of self worth. In our community, its because of a false equation that we are the same as big media. i.e. they make content, they make money; I make content, so I should make money. Perhaps the equation should be: I make content, I don't make money; they make content, so they shouldn't make any either. With more and more free content coming out by the day, perhaps instead of asking how to make money, people should either go and work for a big media content provider (while they still exist), or have a big long rational think about why they're videoblogging in the first place, and ask the question: what's so special about me that someone would want to pay me money? Regards, Richard * Somewhere in the world, there are a dozen or so domino players making less than enough to live off. I'd prefer to get a real job. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
There we go, RIchard!Po: Video Blogging should not make money. What is the byproduct of that?Your post gets to some valid points that immediately make me feel good about our prospects in maintaining control over our media and the ability to distribute it.The idea that we can race them to the bottom, in terms of making money off of media is interesting to me. If there is no money in media then there is no sense in controlling it, is there? Of course that would mean there would have to be some kind of disincentive to spending on media. Rest assured that I will be trying to wrap my head around that.of money and the origin of this thread:My original post was not intended to say that we should all be making money off of vlogging. In fact, I strenuously disagree with that statement. My point was that the only options available are advertisement and sponsorship, and that those are what has led us to this point in media; where the customers of the media, corporations, use the media to pull the wool over an unsuspecting public's eyes. Why do we only allow these options for funding to be reasonable. If we move to a sponsorship/advertising economic model, we will fall right into that system. They will hold the coin purse which will give them control over the barriers for entry, which will leave us in exactly the same place we started. rambling... sorry... but that is the point of this, isn't it?ronOn Jan 6, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Richard Bennett-Forrest wrote: Working out ways to making videoblogging pay, is like working out a way to make sitting at home playing dominos pay.* It's the same with any amateur creative endeavour, in a short period of time, new people end up with an inflated sense of self worth. In our community, its because of a false equation that "we" are the same as big media. i.e. they make content, they make money; I make content, so I should make money. Perhaps the equation should be: I make content, I don't make money; they make content, so they shouldn't make any either. With more and more free content coming out by the day, perhaps instead of asking how to make money, people should either go and work for a big media content provider (while they still exist), or have a big long rational think about why they're videoblogging in the first place, and ask the question: what's so special about me that someone would want to pay me money? Regards, Richard * Somewhere in the world, there are a dozen or so domino players making less than enough to live off. I'd prefer to get a real job. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Friday, January 6, 2006, 1:49:18 PM, Ron Watson wrote: If there is no money in media then there is no sense in controlling it, is there? But if there's no money in the media itself, then that leaves the field wide open for people and organizations willing to spend money to achieve other aims: politics, evangelism, propaganda and advertising. Have any of us got the clout to go up against any of _those_ bankrolls? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site. I've gotten one donation. It worked quite well. It made me feel that the person really valued what I did, and though it wasn't a huge amount, I added it to the funds to get myself one of those cheapy digital video cameras. So that one donation had a huge impact, maybe not financially, but motivationally... Thanks! Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
Why would you consider yourself in competition with those bankrolls, anyway? Are they capable of preventing you from making media? If not, then why do you think someone with an evangelist message will take audience share away from you, who do not? A friend of a friend is putting together (as soon as I can help him) a vlog for his law firm to provide insight, advice, and news on drug laws. Will this make him money directly? If it keeps people from getting arrested, no. Will it provide revenue for him anyway? I don't know, but I'm willing to bet dollars to megabytes that it will. Certainly, I know he'll have a lot of subscribers! --Stephanie On 1/6/06, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if there's no money in the media itself, then that leaves the field wide open for people and organizations willing to spend money to achieve other aims: politics, evangelism, propaganda and advertising. Have any of us got the clout to go up against any of _those_ bankrolls? -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vlog: http://mortaine.blogspot.com Audioblog: http://bookramble.blogspot.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
its always great to give a donation.i have donated money to programmersusually because i make use of the software or feel they are providing a valuable free service. do you think they get a lot of donations? not usually i bet even Bram of BitTorrent barely got much donations and we all know how useful that technology is. Though he is well off now!most video, even rboom video, loses value once it leaves the lot (car purchase analogy).some provide valuable info, training or stimulation. those are able to sustain value over time. so:the video should have a long-term valueif not a daily type of show.otherwise, it could be great 'art' that you see and love but dont purchase off the wall.sull On 1/6/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site.I've gotten one donation. It worked quite well. It made me feel that theperson really valued what I did, and though it wasn't a huge amount, I added it to the funds to get myself one of those cheapy digital videocameras.So that one donation had a huge impact, maybe not financially, butmotivationally...Thanks!Pete-- http://tinkernet.org/videoblog for the future...Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
also, who has donated money to ourmedia.org, blip.tv, fireant, mefeedia or vlogdir and on and on... these are services... many make great use of and benefit from. if they cant get many random donations, you better believe that most vloggers wont either.On 1/6/06, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:its always great to give a donation.i have donated money to programmers usually because i make use of the software or feel they are providing a valuable free service. do you think they get a lot of donations? not usually i bet even Bram of BitTorrent barely got much donations and we all know how useful that technology is. Though he is well off now!most video, even rboom video, loses value once it leaves the lot (car purchase analogy).some provide valuable info, training or stimulation. those are able to sustain value over time. so:the video should have a long-term valueif not a daily type of show.otherwise, it could be great 'art' that you see and love but dont purchase off the wall.sull On 1/6/06, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nerissa (TheVideoQueen) wrote: donations don't work--ask anyone in this group with a donation button on their site.I've gotten one donation. It worked quite well. It made me feel that theperson really valued what I did, and though it wasn't a huge amount, I added it to the funds to get myself one of those cheapy digital videocameras.So that one donation had a huge impact, maybe not financially, butmotivationally...Thanks!Pete-- http://tinkernet.org/videoblog for the future...Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- sull - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
Bill Streeter wrote: But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. How long until we see videoblogs about people playing dominoes? (That sounds like a Friday Challenge to me!) Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Thinking outside the box...
you're kidding, right? =) http://chasingmills.blogspot.com/2006/01/dominoes.html Pete Prodoehl wrote: Bill Streeter wrote: But really, I gotta say, even the most mundane personal video blog has much more value than playing dominoes. How long until we see videoblogs about people playing dominoes? (That sounds like a Friday Challenge to me!) Pete -- My name is Markus Sandy and I am app.etitio.us http://apperceptions.org http://digitaldojo.blogspot.com http://node101.org http://spinflow.org http://wearethemedia.com http://xpressionvlog.blogspot.com aim/ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: msandy spin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] re: Thinking outside the box...
You are spot on Frank. Those four are all birds-of-a-feather. It's about mindshare. There are quite a few vloggers that want their signal undiluted, and I can respect that.On 1/6/06, Frank Carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday, January 6, 2006, 1:49:18 PM, Ron Watson wrote: If there is no money in media then there is no sense in controlling it, is there? But if there's no money in the media itself, then that leaves the field wide open for people and organizations willing to spend money to achieve other aims: politics, evangelism, propaganda and advertising. Have any of us got the clout to go up against any of _those_ bankrolls? -- Frank Carver http://www.makevideo.org.uk YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ted Tagamitagami.comU N I V E R S U S . N E T YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
