[Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of the Fireflies
Hello, Does anyone have an idea of who distributes Fantastic Planet (Laloux, 1973) and Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988)? Thanks for any help. Joan Miller Joan Miller Head Archivist Wesleyan Cinema Archives 301 Washington Terrace Middletown, CT 06457 Phone: (860) 685-3395 FAX: (860) 685-3905 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of theFireflies
Our copy of Fireflies shows A.D.V. Films as the US Distributor. Hope this helps a little. Tim Markus Head of Cataloging The Evergreen State College Olympia, WA 98505 mark...@evergreen.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Miller Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:13 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of theFireflies Hello, Does anyone have an idea of who distributes Fantastic Planet (Laloux, 1973) and Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988)? Thanks for any help. Joan Miller Joan Miller Head Archivist Wesleyan Cinema Archives 301 Washington Terrace Middletown, CT 06457 Phone: (860) 685-3395 FAX: (860) 685-3905 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of the Fireflies
Fantastic Planet might be at Facets Steven Milewski Digital Media Technologies Librarian Hodges Library Integrated User Services 865 - 974 - 2647 smile...@utk.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Miller Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:13 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Distributors for Fantastic Planet and Grave of the Fireflies Hello, Does anyone have an idea of who distributes Fantastic Planet (Laloux, 1973) and Grave of the Fireflies (Takahata, 1988)? Thanks for any help. Joan Miller Joan Miller Head Archivist Wesleyan Cinema Archives 301 Washington Terrace Middletown, CT 06457 Phone: (860) 685-3395 FAX: (860) 685-3905 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video
Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying to the original message. (Snipped to remove some elements that are institutionally specific) snip That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion. I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com, where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50 If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy. Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes. See: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110 When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price. Were the distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home video copy and insist that we pay $250. But as we (I assume) purchased through Amazon, they cannot make that claim. -deg -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First Notice
Anybody else receive this? Apparently someone hasn’t read section 110 of the copyright code. I checked our records – we purchased through Midwest Tape, so wasn’t exactly a shady deal… Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu From: Roy Germano Films LLC [mailto:r...@roygermano.com] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:10 PM To: Bergman, Barbara J Subject: Licensing issue - First Notice Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.comhttp://t.ymlp175.net/umwapahwwatawueavajwuj/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universitieshttp://t.ymlp175.net/umqakahwwakawuealajwuj/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC Follow the film on TWITTERhttp://t.ymlp175.net/umyatahwwavawueacajwuj/click.php FACEBOOKhttp://t.ymlp175.net/ujsaoahwwadawueakajwuj/click.php check out www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.comhttp://t.ymlp175.net/umwapahwwatawueavajwuj/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profilehttp://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwujgqs Powered by YMLPhttp://ymlp175.net/m/ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video
Hey deg Here's what I wrote back to this guy (with a copy to UC legal counsel)...I'm pissed off! Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying to the original message. (Snipped to remove some elements that are institutionally specific) snip That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion. I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com, where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50 If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy. Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes. See: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110 When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price. Were the distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home video copy and insist that we pay $250. But as we (I assume) purchased through Amazon, they cannot make that claim. -deg -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video
You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you decide to sell a film retail on Amazon you can't insist on an institution paying a higher price for standard face to face use. You can do that if you are exclusive seller of the film and make it clear at the point of purchase like the standard ( I have read and agree to these conditions) you get so many places. That is contract law trumping copyright but again if you sell through other vendors it is virtually impossible to do that. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying to the original message. (Snipped to remove some elements that are institutionally specific) snip That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion. I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com, where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50 If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy. Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes. See: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110 When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price. Were the distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home video copy and insist that we pay $250. But as we (I assume) purchased through Amazon, they cannot make that claim. -deg -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First Notice
Just got a response back from him regarding my reply… Gee, maybe if you're just concerned about PPR, you should have said that instead of trying to threaten us. Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. RG Don't go against a librarian when copyright is on the line... Barb VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
I just got that email as well. (We purchased from a vendor that only sells to libraries.) I am very interested in hearing how others are handling this. Mary Hanlin Media Collection Development Librarian Tidewater Community College 120 Campus Drive, Portsmouth, Virginia 23701 P: 757-822-2133 F: 757-822-2149 mhan...@tcc.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM To: RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwejgqs Powered by YMLP http://ymlp175.net/m/ -- --- Steven Black Head, Acquisitions Division The Bancroft Library University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 510-642-1320 t 510-643-2548 f sbl...@library.berkeley.edu Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Sorry, I typed too soon; I'm really glad this listserv exists:) Mary Hanlin Media Collection Development Librarian Tidewater Community College 120 Campus Drive, Portsmouth, Virginia 23701 P: 757-822-2133 F: 757-822-2149 mhan...@tcc.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Hanlin Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:04 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu; RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice I just got that email as well. (We purchased from a vendor that only sells to libraries.) I am very interested in hearing how others are handling this. Mary Hanlin Media Collection Development Librarian Tidewater Community College 120 Campus Drive, Portsmouth, Virginia 23701 P: 757-822-2133 F: 757-822-2149 mhan...@tcc.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM To: RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile
Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First Notice
And, at the risk of being Mrs. Obvious: Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha... (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/quotes) -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:02 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Subject: Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - First Notice Just got a response back from him regarding my reply… Gee, maybe if you're just concerned about PPR, you should have said that instead of trying to threaten us. Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. RG Don't go against a librarian when copyright is on the line... Barb VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - FirstNotice
I haven’t received this, but perhaps he is only addressing the college/university market. We purchased our copy from Midwest, also. Becky Tatar Periodicals/Audiovisuals Aurora Public Library 1 E. Benton Street Aurora, IL 60505 Phone: 630-264-4100 FAX: 630-896-3209 blt...@aurora.lib.il.us www.aurora.lib.il.us From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:42 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' Subject: [Videolib] Other side of immigration FW: Licensing issue - FirstNotice Anybody else receive this? Apparently someone hasn’t read section 110 of the copyright code. I checked our records – we purchased through Midwest Tape, so wasn’t exactly a shady deal… Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu From: Roy Germano Films LLC [mailto:r...@roygermano.com] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:10 PM To: Bergman, Barbara J Subject: Licensing issue - First Notice Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwapahwwatawueavajwuj/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqakahwwakawuealajwuj/click.php . Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyatahwwavawueacajwuj/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsaoahwwadawueakajwuj/click.php check out www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwapahwwatawueavajwuj/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwujgqs Powered by YMLP http://ymlp175.net/m/ http://t.ymlp175.net/rjwujxxeyeuvjqhr/footer.gif VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
I'm curious about how he knows what anyone paid for their copy if they didn't buy it from him. Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:58 PM To: RG FIlms Cc: jcon...@berkeley.edu; videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwejgqs Powered by YMLP http://ymlp175.net/m/ -- --- Steven Black Head, Acquisitions Division The Bancroft Library University of California Berkeley, CA 94720-6000 510-642-1320 t 510-643-2548 f sbl...@library.berkeley.edu Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt
[Videolib] Streaming Question
Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question
Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo On May 5, 2011, at 11:57 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Roy...you've pissed off a big community of video librarians and others by sending this out, I'm afraid to say. Wish you had done a bit of investigation and thinking before hitting the send key. Most everyone in this business is very aware of the need to secure performance rights for screening outside of individual use and classrooms (which are covered by the face-to-face teaching exemption of the copyright law) If, in fact, you want to engage in the practice of charging institutions higher prices across the board, you really can't sell in the home video market--as I said in my earlier note. (Or, if you want to charge both home and institutional prices, you need to do it via your web site, not amazon and other mass marketers) gary handman Thank you for your reply. Of course that is fine if not being used for public performance. It's often the case that campuses use this film for community events. But if only lending out for personal use or classroom instruction, of course that's no problem. Roy Germano On May 5, 2011, at 2:47 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Dear Film Distributor The title in question was bought from a valid home video distribution source and is perfectly legal under both contract and copyright law. Since we do not require public performance rights in our institution, we make it a point to buy home video versions of video whenever they are available. If, in fact, you wish to charge differentially higher prices for institutional use than for home video use, you simply cannot, at the same time, offer home video versions of your works. Since there are no contract or licensing stipulations for home video sale via vendors such as amazon (other than the usual restrictions against copying and other practices restricted by Title 117/US copyright Law), we feel the purchase we made were legal and in good faith. I think that if you do some investigation, you will find that the above contentions are supported by almost universal practice among independent film and video distributors. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have questions. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Dear Librarian, I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is *licensed for home use only* (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been *licensed for use in college/university libraries* (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities http://t.ymlp175.net/umqazahwwavawueatajwej/click.php. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC *Follow the film on TWITTER http://t.ymlp175.net/umyarahwwalawueapajwej/click.php FACEBOOK http://t.ymlp175.net/ujsatahwwagawuealajwej/click.php* *check out* www.TheOtherSIdeOfImmigration.com http://t.ymlp175.net/umwafahwwavawueaoajwej/click.php Unsubscribe / Change Profile http://ymlp175.net/u.php?id=gewumjbgsgjwejgqs Powered by YMLP http://ymlp175.net/m/ -- --- Steven Black Head,
Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video
Jessica said: One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth there are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there is something called institutional video and that schools and libraries must pay more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself and nothing I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince him otherwise, because he was told this by another sales rep and this case it is titles widely available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/ retailer. Susan: I think this is sometimes true. A few months ago, I had a similar experience with someone pretty new to the film distribution world. I ordered a copy of a DVD the very first moment I could get my hands on it, and at that time, what was available was a $30 home-use DVD. I didn't really need PPR and so I didn't worry about it, just bought it. A few MONTHS later, I received an email from someone at the company, which contained an invoice for the institutional price, along with commentary similar to what a number of you received in this case. I ended up having a bit of an email exchange and then a very nice phone conversation with the woman, followed by more emails, in which I explained why I didn't think she really had a leg to stand on and in which we discussed tiered pricing, PPR, secondary sellers such as Amazon Midwest Tape, etc. I had fallen in love with the film [Pelada, btw] and had decided I was willing to pay the difference between the home use and the institutional simply because I supported what these young folks were doing with their project, but I also 'warned' her that she had better be prepared for others she was contacting to NOT be as friendly NOR as willing to pay the cost difference. She had really not been very informed about this stuff and was quite happy to discuss it. I honestly don't know how much trouble she eventually ran into with others. Now, to throw in another wrinkle. When I bought, it was available only from the filmmakers (who really should've had home use institutional sales prepared to go simultaneously). To my knowledge, the home use was never available through any secondary source. So let's say they had done it right and, from the beginning, had had tiered pricing and were the exclusive distributor. What happens once *aftermarket* sellers begin offering up copies through a site like Amazon? It isn't Amazon directly selling it. Anyone care to take that one on in terms of institutional obligations?? Susan VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question
I agree with Jessica. Did you give the professor the correct information? Yes and no, I'd say. Swank now has a catalog of 7,000 feature films for which they have streaming rights (for academic use and via course management systems). The cost varies depending on number you're signing on for and duration of access. Susan From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:45 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edumailto:john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video
For the record, we got this email too and our legal counsel recommended saying simply that we purchased our copy legally and we abide by the copyright law. His initial reaction was to recommend ignoring it altogether. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: Sharing with the Videolib list an email from a video distributor, and my internal response to the Collection Development office for use in replying to the original message. (Snipped to remove some elements that are institutionally specific) snip That said, the author of this email is incorrect in his assertion. I assume, as we often do, this title was purchased through Amazon.com, where it is currently listed as being in stock and sold for $13.50 If so, our copy is a legally acquired copy, and governed by the rule of first sale, which allows a library to loan or otherwise use a copy. Additionally, US Copyright law specifically exempts us from needing public performance rights to use a legally acquired video in classes. See: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110 When a video is sold through other markets, the distributor cannot place a requirement on us to acquire PPR, or pay the higher price. Were the distributor the sole distributor, they could refuse to sell us the home video copy and insist that we pay $250. But as we (I assume) purchased through Amazon, they cannot make that claim. -deg -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:16 AM I am writing on behalf of Roy Germano Films LLC, the copyright holder of a film you carry in your library called THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION. According to our records, the DVD copy of THE OTHER SIDE OF IMMIGRATION that you have on your shelves is licensed for home use only (retail price: $20). To carry this film in your library, you must purchase a DVD that has been licensed for use in college/university libraries (retail price: $250). DVDs licensed for college/university use are sold exclusively on our website -- http://www.TheOtherSideOfImmigration.com On our website, you will notice a link on the upper-righthand side of the website to purchase DVDs Licensed for Colleges/Universities. Please click that link to enter our secure online store and make your purchase. We hope you will attend to this matter as soon as possible. Please feel free to contact me at this address if you should have any questions, believe our records are incorrect, or would like to arrange to make your purchase with our distributor by phone or email. Sincerely, Roy Germano, Ph.D. Founder/CEO, Roy Germano Films LLC VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Chris Lewis Media Librarian American University Library 202.885.3257 For latest Media Services News visit our blog at http://aulibmedia.blogspot.com Please think twice before printing this e-mail. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) From: jwoo j...@cca.edu Date: May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Cc: RG FIlms r...@roygermano.com, jcon...@berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question
Danton with Gerard Depardeau; All Quiet on the Western Front (1930); Black Rain (Kuroi ame) ; and To Live (Hou zhe); and a part of the Genius that was China from WGBH. regars jhs Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com 5/5/2011 1:16 PM Well give us the titles. If they are not Swank they may be cheaper. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus. I just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles. Thanks for the back up. Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable. regards jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com 5/5/2011 12:44 PM Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 ( tel:%28509%29%20963-2861 ) http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 ( tel:224-545-3897 ) (cell) 212-627-1785 ( tel:212-627-1785 ) (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question
...and ya gotta keep firmly in mind that Swank licenses for access by specific courses for a specified amount of time. I may be a voice shrek-ing in the wildness, but I simply can't support that kind of circumscribed/limited access by the library (at least my library). gary Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus. I just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles. Thanks for the back up. Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable. regards jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com 5/5/2011 12:44 PM Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand. I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD. She did not insist that we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and how much we paid for it. Matthew Wright Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services William S. Boyd School of Law University of Nevada Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080 Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080 (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax) From: Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: 05/05/2011 01:41 PM Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) From: jwoo j...@cca.edu Date: May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Cc: RG FIlms r...@roygermano.com, jcon...@berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question
Yikes. Last i checked DANTON was not available but you could always ask GAUMONT in France. or Criterion which released All Quiet IS Swank. I think TO LIVE BLACK RAIN are one where rights are overseas. Dang nothing to simple on that list. Too bad the guy was not teaching something someone on the listserv had. Tell him if he changes his class to Melies I will make him a great deal (kidding). On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:40 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Danton with Gerard Depardeau; All Quiet on the Western Front (1930); Black Rain (Kuroi ame) ; and To Live (Hou zhe); and a part of the Genius that was China from WGBH. regars jhs Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com 5/5/2011 1:16 PM Well give us the titles. If they are not Swank they may be cheaper. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:09 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus. I just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles. Thanks for the back up. Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable. regards jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com 5/5/2011 12:44 PM Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
[Videolib] Off air record question
Hi all, I've had a request from an administrator to record a short portion of a two hour national morning talk show. Our university participated in a study that is going to be reported on during a 10 minute segment of the show. The administrator doesn't have a specific use in mind for it, she just thinks it would be beneficial to have as a record. So, does this fall under Kastenmeier? I always had the impression this guideline covered more in class teaching related uses, plus the 10day/45 day rules don't help me out much here. Is there a legally acceptable way for the library to record a segment of this program and keep it indefinitely? Possibly even restricted to in-house use? Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
Well that is whole other kettle of fish. Overseas owners can get sensitive about that. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, matthew.wri...@unlv.edu wrote: I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand. I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD. She did not insist that we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and how much we paid for it. Matthew Wright Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services William S. Boyd School of Law University of Nevada Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080 Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080 (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax) From:Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com To:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date:05/05/2011 01:41 PM Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu -- Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, *videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu*videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.eduwrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) *From: *jwoo *j...@cca.edu* j...@cca.edu *Date: *May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT *To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Cc: *RG FIlms *r...@roygermano.com* r...@roygermano.com, * jcon...@berkeley.edu* jcon...@berkeley.edu *Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice* *Reply-To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question
Swank has been doing some consortial stuff which brings the price down. Waldo is one and BLC is looking it as well. Still not as cheap as one might like but it's very helpful for supporting distance learning. Jo Ann Jo Ann Reynolds Reserve Services Coordinator University of Connecticut Homer Babbidge Library Storrs, CT 860-486-1406 (p) 860-486-5636 (f) jo_ann.reyno...@uconn.edu http://classguides.lib.uconn.edu/mediaresources Question Reality -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:47 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question ...and ya gotta keep firmly in mind that Swank licenses for access by specific courses for a specified amount of time. I may be a voice shrek-ing in the wildness, but I simply can't support that kind of circumscribed/limited access by the library (at least my library). gary Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus. I just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles. Thanks for the back up. Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable. regards jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com 5/5/2011 12:44 PM Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
*Begin Soapbox* Personally, I think some filmmakers/producers need Business 101, Marketing 101, and Economics 101 if they want to make a living. This is the simplest issue of supply and demand...they don't even have to go to college, they can go to WalMart, or Target, or Sears, or any store out there, and I'm fairly sure they do since they need to eat. If the price is right, and ***there is an identified need (read demand)***, the product will sell. Otherwise it won't. Tell me who needs this film - what subjects it is appropriate for, and WHY - and if it fits in my institutions' areas of study, and I can afford it, I will buy it. I will NOT buy something just because it won a bunch of awards, or because it cost so much to produce - that is the filmmaker's risk, not mine. And our copyright scholar says NEVER, EVER pay extra for something that is covered under TEACH or copyright. When you do, you are building their case for them, which could come back to bite you in the future. Because I like them and want to support a filmmaker is no reason to give up my rights. *End Soapbox* Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
P.S I am going to email some of these posts to my guy who still thinks institutions should pay more even if all his titles are on Amazon, Midwest tape etc. Again he really means well but someone told him it was so. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: Well that is whole other kettle of fish. Overseas owners can get sensitive about that. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, matthew.wri...@unlv.edu wrote: I had a similar email about a year ago from a filmmaker from New Zealand. I can no longer recall the filmmaker or the DVD. She did not insist that we pay the educational price but she emailed to say that she saw the title in our online catalog and she was at least curious where we purchased it and how much we paid for it. Matthew Wright Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services William S. Boyd School of Law University of Nevada Las Vegas 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080 Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080 (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax) From:Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com To:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date:05/05/2011 01:41 PM Subject:Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu -- Janice, I think any distributors reading this string got/are getting a good education. The National Media Market is currently working on the professional development sessions for the next conference. Copyright issues may be included. I'll recommend that pricing be included in the agenda if the session happens. Regards, Bob Norris Film Ideas On May 5, 2011, at 2:51 PM, *videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu*videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.eduwrote: 4. Re: Licensing issue - First Notice (jwoo) *From: *jwoo *j...@cca.edu* j...@cca.edu *Date: *May 5, 2011 2:51:26 PM CDT *To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Cc: *RG FIlms *r...@roygermano.com* r...@roygermano.com, * jcon...@berkeley.edu* jcon...@berkeley.edu *Subject: Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice* *Reply-To: **videolib@lists.berkeley.edu* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Licensing issue - First Notice
I don't disagree, but the problem is that two types of films or distribution of films has gotten confused because some sellers chose to again have their cake and eat it too. There are many companies whose product is geared exclusively to the academic market and frankly it is going to cost a lot more to buy that film than a copy of Citizen Kane. If there were tons of individuals or stores or streaming services out there wanting to buy a film about the effects of Rwandan genocide on one village or the issue of gerrymandering ( to selfishly use two films I work on) than it would be great and everyone could get one for $20. Alas there is not such an audience so films whose exclusive audience is the institutional market will cost more. Teachers and librarians will obviously have to decide if the material is worth it, but if it, is paying $200 or $300 for such a film should not be a deal breaker. If there is a film someone is likely to use in more than one class and or is likely to be needed in the library for research than WITHIN reason it should be bought. If only one student needs it than it would not be a good idea. If you don't want or need the film you do not have to buy it but filmmakers and distributors of specialized. non fiction materal will not be pricing titles at $20 for Amazon and if they do they have no one but themselves to blame when an institution buys it on Amazon. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edu wrote: **Begin Soapbox** Personally, I think some filmmakers/producers need Business 101, Marketing 101, and Economics 101 if they want to make a living. This is the simplest issue of supply and demand…they don’t even have to go to college, they can go to WalMart, or Target, or Sears, or any store out there, and I’m fairly sure they do since they need to eat. If the price is right, and ***there is an identified need (read demand)***, the product will sell. Otherwise it won’t. Tell me who needs this film - what subjects it is appropriate for, and WHY – and if it fits in my institutions’ areas of study, and I can afford it, I will buy it. I will NOT buy something just because it won a bunch of awards, or because it cost so much to produce – that is the filmmaker’s risk, not mine. And our copyright scholar says NEVER, EVER pay extra for something that is covered under TEACH or copyright. When you do, you are building their case for them, which could come back to bite you in the future. Because I like them and want to support a filmmaker is no reason to give up my rights. **End Soapbox** Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Gary, Thanks for speaking on behalf of us librarians. I wish there were a way to educate filmmakers and film distributors about not only the legalities, but also the realities, of pricing for the library market. It's simple accounting: libraries can make more films accessible to their patrons if the cost of the videos is low. If the cost is high, our budgets will accommodate far fewer purchases. So if a video is expensive, it better be a stand out. It's also a matter of what the market will bear. If libraries continue to pay $250 for a dvd instead of $29, why wouldn't sellers ask us for the higher price? And, yes, I've heard the song about filmmakers and distributors having to make a living, but don't we all? Libraries shouldn't be responsible for subsidizing vendors; making resources available to our patrons is what we're about. Regards, Janice Woo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question
Per course is not the way it is being touted now. It's any number of profs/courses for the time period. Or so it was explained to me. Susan ___ From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu [ghand...@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:46 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Streaming Question ...and ya gotta keep firmly in mind that Swank licenses for access by specific courses for a specified amount of time. I may be a voice shrek-ing in the wildness, but I simply can't support that kind of circumscribed/limited access by the library (at least my library). gary Prohibitively expensive is just like saying impossible on my campus. I just searched Swank's website and they did not have any of the titles. Thanks for the back up. Coming up on ten years doing this work and I am now starting to think of myself as moderately knowledgeable. regards jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com 5/5/2011 12:44 PM Depending on the film obtaining streaming rights should not be impossible though it could be prohibitively expensive. It really depends on the titles. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:37 PM, John Streepy john.stre...@cwu.edu wrote: Hello all, I am 99.9% positive I gave a faculty member the correct response to his request but I thought I would verify with the CW of this august body. The professor is teaching an entirely online course and wants to stream a few full length feature films for the students. These films would only be accessible though a closed password encrypted system. I informed him that at best he could steam a clip or two (for that is protected both by fair use and the TEACH Act) but digitizing and streaming a full feature film would violate copyright. I then informed him that obtaining streaming rights for feature films is next to impossible. Did I give this professor correct information? thanks jhs John H. Streepy Media Services Supervisor Library-Media Circulation James E. Brooks Library Central Washington University 400 East University Way Ellensburg, WA 98926-7548 (509) 963-2861 http://www.lib.cwu.edu/media Hand to hand combat just goes with the territory. All part of being a librarian -- James Turner Rex Libris Transitus profusum est nocens! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video
I don't think I was clear in my use of the word aftermarket. It's NOT the original film distributor selling copies through amazon, and it's not Amazon selling. It's 'used' dealers selling through amazon. I didn't check in this specific case, but just like with 'used' dealers of books selling through amazon's aftermarket site, sometimes the copies are listed as brand new, factory sealed. So that's my question. Or are you saying that if anyone is selling a DVD through amazon as an aftermarket dealer, they must have gotten the original distributor's permission? Susan From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Jessica Rosner [jessicapros...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:01 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video Susan The seller can either control it completely in which case there is no aftermarket or they choose to allow secondary sellers in which case they not maintain the tiered pricing. Most of the folks I work with are currently only selling to institutions. The soonest they would even think of a retail version is 18 monthts to two years and even them no certainty. Basically they simply can't afford to sell the home market though there would be some interest in their films. Selling 200 copies and getting back $15-$20 per copy would never cover the expenses and they made some really good films. Films where the majority of audience/use is academic are best sticking to institutional only sales. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu wrote: Jessica said: One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth there are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there is something called institutional video and that schools and libraries must pay more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself and nothing I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince him otherwise, because he was told this by another sales rep and this case it is titles widely available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/ retailer. Susan: I think this is sometimes true. A few months ago, I had a similar experience with someone pretty new to the film distribution world. I ordered a copy of a DVD the very first moment I could get my hands on it, and at that time, what was available was a $30 home-use DVD. I didn’t really need PPR and so I didn’t worry about it, just bought it. A few MONTHS later, I received an email from someone at the company, which contained an invoice for the “institutional” price, along with commentary similar to what a number of you received in this case. I ended up having a bit of an email exchange and then a very nice phone conversation with the woman, followed by more emails, in which I explained why I didn’t think she really had a leg to stand on and in which we discussed tiered pricing, PPR, secondary sellers such as Amazon Midwest Tape, etc. I had fallen in love with the film [Pelada, btw] and had decided I was willing to pay the difference between the home use and the institutional simply because I supported what these young folks were doing with their project, but I also ‘warned’ her that she had better be prepared for others she was contacting to NOT be as friendly NOR as willing to pay the cost difference. She had really not been very informed about this stuff and was quite happy to discuss it. I honestly don’t know how much trouble she eventually ran into with others. Now, to throw in another wrinkle. When I bought, it was available only from the filmmakers (who really should’ve had home use institutional sales prepared to go simultaneously). To my knowledge, the home use was never available through any secondary source. So let’s say they had done it right and, from the beginning, had had tiered pricing and were the exclusive distributor. What happens once *aftermarket* sellers begin offering up copies through a site like Amazon? It isn’t Amazon directly selling it. Anyone care to take that one on in terms of institutional obligations?? Susan VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video
OK I am totally confused. Did the original seller/owner sell home use copies and was this one supposedly used. The question would be if the seller had literally signed off ( as in the proverbial I agree to these terms) when they bought it, in that case the original company could take action against them and have some reasonable claim that it was not a legal copy, though few places do that. The mystery is where did the copy come from and under what terms. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edu wrote: I don't think I was clear in my use of the word aftermarket. It's NOT the original film distributor selling copies through amazon, and it's not Amazon selling. It's 'used' dealers selling through amazon. I didn't check in this specific case, but just like with 'used' dealers of books selling through amazon's aftermarket site, sometimes the copies are listed as brand new, factory sealed. So that's my question. Or are you saying that if anyone is selling a DVD through amazon as an aftermarket dealer, they must have gotten the original distributor's permission? Susan From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [ videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Jessica Rosner [ jessicapros...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 4:01 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Challenge to using a home video instead of institutionally licensed video Susan The seller can either control it completely in which case there is no aftermarket or they choose to allow secondary sellers in which case they not maintain the tiered pricing. Most of the folks I work with are currently only selling to institutions. The soonest they would even think of a retail version is 18 monthts to two years and even them no certainty. Basically they simply can't afford to sell the home market though there would be some interest in their films. Selling 200 copies and getting back $15-$20 per copy would never cover the expenses and they made some really good films. Films where the majority of audience/use is academic are best sticking to institutional only sales. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edu mailto:albre...@wabash.edu wrote: Jessica said: One last thing. I have mentioned this before but for whatever it is worth there are a lot of filmmakers and distributors who sincerely believe there is something called institutional video and that schools and libraries must pay more than individuals. I actually have one I am dealing with myself and nothing I do including sending a copy of the copyright law will convince him otherwise, because he was told this by another sales rep and this case it is titles widely available through pretty much any standard wholesaler/ retailer. Susan: I think this is sometimes true. A few months ago, I had a similar experience with someone pretty new to the film distribution world. I ordered a copy of a DVD the very first moment I could get my hands on it, and at that time, what was available was a $30 home-use DVD. I didn’t really need PPR and so I didn’t worry about it, just bought it. A few MONTHS later, I received an email from someone at the company, which contained an invoice for the “institutional” price, along with commentary similar to what a number of you received in this case. I ended up having a bit of an email exchange and then a very nice phone conversation with the woman, followed by more emails, in which I explained why I didn’t think she really had a leg to stand on and in which we discussed tiered pricing, PPR, secondary sellers such as Amazon Midwest Tape, etc. I had fallen in love with the film [Pelada, btw] and had decided I was willing to pay the difference between the home use and the institutional simply because I supported what these young folks were doing with their project, but I also ‘warned’ her that she had better be prepared for others she was contacting to NOT be as friendly NOR as willing to pay the cost difference. She had really not been very informed about this stuff and was quite happy to discuss it. I honestly don’t know how much trouble she eventually ran into with others. Now, to throw in another wrinkle. When I bought, it was available only from the filmmakers (who really should’ve had home use institutional sales prepared to go simultaneously). To my knowledge, the home use was never available through any secondary source. So let’s say they had done it right and, from the beginning, had had tiered pricing and were the exclusive distributor. What happens once *aftermarket* sellers begin offering up copies through a site like Amazon? It isn’t Amazon directly selling it. Anyone care to take that one on in terms of institutional obligations?? Susan VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
Re: [Videolib] Off air record question
Nope The instructor can off-air tape and use in class (Kastenmeier is stupidly restrictive...45 days, I think, but remember, these are guidelines, not law)...but keeping the thing around for the long-haul (in a library collection, say) is probably skating on thin ice. gary handman Hi all, I've had a request from an administrator to record a short portion of a two hour national morning talk show. Our university participated in a study that is going to be reported on during a 10 minute segment of the show. The administrator doesn't have a specific use in mind for it, she just thinks it would be beneficial to have as a record. So, does this fall under Kastenmeier? I always had the impression this guideline covered more in class teaching related uses, plus the 10day/45 day rules don't help me out much here. Is there a legally acceptable way for the library to record a segment of this program and keep it indefinitely? Possibly even restricted to in-house use? Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing on amazon.com
Yeah...interestingly we've had a few orders bounced back from amazon as requiring institutional prices...these are generally titles that amazon is brokering via amazon marketplace, rather than stuff sold by amazon itself. gary handman Hi all, Just spotted tiered pricing on these DVDs at amazon.com: What Price Clean Air Chuck Close: A Portrait in Progress David Weissman's Short Stuff Little Moth (Xue Chan) Nelson Mandela: Free at Last Taoism and a few others (search on Institutional Use. So a vendor can put in multiple prices on Amazon; if the vendor does not, how can they argue that you should have paid more? Brigid Duffy Academic Technology San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing on amazon.com
I know they have been actively goind after some educational titles. I just don't see how you control this on Amazon or any secondary seller. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:13 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Yeah...interestingly we've had a few orders bounced back from amazon as requiring institutional prices...these are generally titles that amazon is brokering via amazon marketplace, rather than stuff sold by amazon itself. gary handman Hi all, Just spotted tiered pricing on these DVDs at amazon.com: What Price Clean Air Chuck Close: A Portrait in Progress David Weissman's Short Stuff Little Moth (Xue Chan) Nelson Mandela: Free at Last Taoism and a few others (search on Institutional Use. So a vendor can put in multiple prices on Amazon; if the vendor does not, how can they argue that you should have paid more? Brigid Duffy Academic Technology San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing on amazon.com
In amazon marketplace, the order is fulfilled by a third-party vendor (i.e. the distributor of the film) not by amazon directly. So, when the order hits, the distributor rejects it if they're charging institutional prices and you're trying to buy it cheap. I know they have been actively goind after some educational titles. I just don't see how you control this on Amazon or any secondary seller. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:13 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Yeah...interestingly we've had a few orders bounced back from amazon as requiring institutional prices...these are generally titles that amazon is brokering via amazon marketplace, rather than stuff sold by amazon itself. gary handman Hi all, Just spotted tiered pricing on these DVDs at amazon.com: What Price Clean Air Chuck Close: A Portrait in Progress David Weissman's Short Stuff Little Moth (Xue Chan) Nelson Mandela: Free at Last Taoism and a few others (search on Institutional Use. So a vendor can put in multiple prices on Amazon; if the vendor does not, how can they argue that you should have paid more? Brigid Duffy Academic Technology San Francisco State University San Francisco, CA 94132-4200 E-mail: bdu...@sfsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Off air record question
Hi- You cannot off-air record and retain indefinitely. Contact the talk show and purchase it if they are selling it. That way it can be added to the collection legitimately or retained in archives. Perhaps they would even sell you a digital copy. Hopefully they will sell it cheaply. Or tell them how much you love their show and they may even give you just the clip you want. Debra Mandel Head, Digital Media Deign Studio Northeastern University Libraries Boston, MA 02115 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Stanton, Kim [kim.stan...@unt.edu] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 5:03 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Off air record question Hi all, I’ve had a request from an administrator to record a short portion of a two hour national morning talk show. Our university participated in a study that is going to be reported on during a 10 minute segment of the show. The administrator doesn’t have a specific use in mind for it, she just thinks it would be beneficial to have as a record. So, does this fall under Kastenmeier? I always had the impression this guideline covered more in class teaching related uses, plus the 10day/45 day rules don’t help me out much here. Is there a legally acceptable way for the library to record a segment of this program and keep it indefinitely? Possibly even restricted to in-house use? Thanks, Kim Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
